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    • Runole

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      Or do they just not read defenses as well so they need to scramble to find one that is open because of extended release time being the primary factor?

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Give your definition of a scrambling/running QB and then list some examples of players who fit said description.

    • Pennywise

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      Scrambling/running QB would be someone like Jackson how many super bowls has he won ?
      Don’t confuse a mobile QB like Mahomes as a scrambling QB

    • harrybucman

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      The key to SB championships is a smothering defense and an efficient offense. We have won 2 and that was the formula in both.

    • Runole

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      Clarification
      Qbs that essentially stay in the pocket vs those that don’t. Mahome like Fran Tark are scramblers.

    • Hockey Duckie

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      With Mahomes, it’s kinda by design with his 9-step drop and vertical offense. The scramble is also a part is due to lacking his starting OL from last year.

      We can look at our own 2019 season with Arians-Winston. We went mostly vertical and had Winston scrambling often waiting for deeper routes to develop. Winston got sacked like 47 times and threw 30 INT’s. When KC goes explosive, they too are not efficient. Watch Brett Kollman’s breakdown of Mahomes/KC offense.

      When KC goes short game, they’re a different team. In 2020, Brady altered Arians’ vertical offense that rarely uses TE’s in the passing game. Brady evolved the offense to be more efficient with some deep ball chances. Moving the chains is far more important to Brady. Although Brady threw for fewer yards than Winston’s 2019 season, he was sacked far less, threw far less INTs, and earned more TD’s (both passing and rushing).

      I give a lot of credit to our DL for pressuring Mahomes often in the Super Bowl. An extra half second and we could have been scorched. There’s plenty of video breakdowns of this. Our pass rush was crazy good in the Super Bowl! Sure helped that KC was missing three starters on the OLine!

      BTW, Mahomes won a Super Bowl in 2019. Just wanted to point out the obvious.

      Still, it’s a team game. We won on all facets in the Super Bowl.

    • Greattimes

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      Smart QB’s win Super Bowls.

    • harrybucman

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      Smart QB’s win Super Bowls.

      If that was a determining factor, Ryan Fitzpatrick would have at least won a few. Terry Bradshaw wasn’t very bright at all but, he won 4. (Steel Curtain ?)

    • Runole

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      With Mahomes, it’s kinda by design with his 9-step drop and vertical offense. The scramble is also a part is due to lacking his starting OL from last year.

      We can look at our own 2019 season with Arians-Winston. We went mostly vertical and had Winston scrambling often waiting for deeper routes to develop. Winston got sacked like 47 times and threw 30 INT’s. When KC goes explosive, they too are not efficient. Watch Brett Kollman’s breakdown of Mahomes/KC offense.

      When KC goes short game, they’re a different team. In 2020, Brady altered Arians’ vertical offense that rarely uses TE’s in the passing game. Brady evolved the offense to be more efficient with some deep ball chances. Moving the chains is far more important to Brady. Although Brady threw for fewer yards than Winston’s 2019 season, he was sacked far less, threw far less INTs, and earned more TD’s (both passing and rushing).

      I give a lot of credit to our DL for pressuring Mahomes often in the Super Bowl. An extra half second and we could have been scorched. There’s plenty of video breakdowns of this. Our pass rush was crazy good in the Super Bowl! Sure helped that KC was missing three starters on the OLine!

      BTW, Mahomes won a Super Bowl in 2019. Just wanted to point out the obvious.

      Still, it’s a team game. We won on all facets in the Super Bowl.

      true and how many drop back qb’s have won? Do we really need to go there?

    • BadabingBucs

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      well of the last 10 Superbowls – Tom Brady has won 4 of them (played in 6 of them) so wouldnt describe him as mobile.

      Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, and Joe Flacco were the other 6.

      While Mahomes and Russell Wilson are mobile; Wilson had a stacked defense much like Flacco and Peyton. Eli, Flacco, and Foles teams also caught lightening much like Tampa this year

      so i’d say the formula is talent team + smart/good QB play +football Gods = Superbowl

    • BucHarbour

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      QB’s who scramble a lot tend to be hit or miss and usually only win SB’s when they have the ability to keep their eyes down field and the eligible receivers are good enough to break open off routes. More often than not, they also have a great defense on the other side. They also tend to get injured a lot more and have shorter careers. I will note that we won two SB’s with statues at the position. My personal preference is for a QB who can stay in the pocket and make quick progressions through his reads, while having already determined pre-snap who should be open. Makes for a quick check through the receivers before making the right through. It’s also good to have the ability to slide around in the pocket and make guys miss while keeping eyes down the field. Give me the guy who can consistently find the open guy and make the throw, even under duress, over the splashy guy any day of the week. Being consistent is huge toward increasing a team’s odds of making it to the dance.

    • Runole

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      QB’s who scramble a lot tend to be hit or miss and usually only win SB’s when they have the ability to keep their eyes down field and the eligible receivers are good enough to break open off routes. More often than not, they also have a great defense on the other side. They also tend to get injured a lot more and have shorter careers. I will note that we won two SB’s with statues at the position. My personal preference is for a QB who can stay in the pocket and make quick progressions through his reads, while having already determined pre-snap who should be open. Makes for a quick check through the receivers before making the right through. It’s also good to have the ability to slide around in the pocket and make guys miss while keeping eyes down the field. Give me the guy who can consistently find the open guy and make the throw, even under duress, over the splashy guy any day of the week. Being consistent is huge toward increasing a team’s odds of making it to the dance.

      agree! The talking heads love affair with both scrambling and running QB’s is a fairly recent fad that pretty much started with Vick.
      The Oohs and Ahhs over Mahomes incomplete passes are well documented. News Flash! the Chiefs were totally dominated by the Bucs! End of story! The fact that they had to travel to 3 straight venues to get to the SB can’t be understated.

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