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    • Donkey_Hunter

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      I noticed no posts on here regarding the incident, and not nearly as much media coverage as other mass shootings.

      Weird.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Haha.

      You probably think that’s because handguns, not “scary” AR?

      Others probably think because it’s a near-daily event now?

      Heard he had 20,000 rounds at home? Crazy if true.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      You probably think that’s because handguns, not “scary” AR?

      I don’t think it, I know it.

      Others probably think because it’s a near-daily event now?

      That doesn’t stop the media or certain posters to talk about it every chance they can get.

      Listen, it’s really no big deal to me. I’m simply pointing out the narrative. That’s all.

    • KarmaPolice

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      You may be right.

      I have a slightly different take, but we’ve discussed it.

      The unfortunate part: if we want to use the next mass shooting to test our theories, we don’t have to wait very long.

      This is ‘Merica.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      I seriously hope Congress starts a Commision on the San Jose shooting.

      It is sooo needed at this time, imo…

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      I seriously hope Congress starts a Commision on the San Jose shooting.

      It is sooo needed at this time, imo…

      Tears of a KKKlown.

      So many tears…

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      So much laughing.

      Thanks be to the red blood, great American patriots.

    • KarmaPolice

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      So much laughing.

      always posts the opposite

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      So much laughing.

      So many tears from KKKronicCuck.

      So…many…bigly…loser…tears…

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      So much laughing.

      No LoserfgtDemocrat Commission.

    • spartan

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      Heard he had 20,000 rounds at home? Crazy if true.

      Not necessarily.

      Depends on what he shot.

      The price ammo fluctuates depending on current events and the current politic climate. The current price of 9mm ammo is 75c for 1 round for cheap crap to $1 per round.

      I have a couple of thousand rounds of 9mm of good stuff which I bought at about $250 for 1000 rounds. It allows me to ignore the current price spikes yet still maintain a practice schedule which you need to keep your skills.

      I also shoot, for different reasons 270, 308, 556 and 380. So if you stock up when the price is right as they say, it can easily stack up. Personally I think the most I have had is 10k rounds of different calibres. IIRC correctly I have bought about 800 new rounds in the last 3 years. I have lived on my opportune buys, but I can see how 20k rounds can be “legitimate” if the opportunity arises. And for the record it’s very easy to shoot a couple hundred rounds each time you go to the range.

    • KarmaPolice

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      The unfortunate part: if we want to use the next mass shooting to test our theories, we don’t have to wait very long.

      This is ‘Merica.

      a sample of yesterdays news:

      Minnesota -“A 9-year-old girl has died after being shot while jumping on trampoline in Minneapolis”

      Florida (Miami) — “At least 22 people shot, 2 fatally, after assailants get out of an SUV and fire assault rifles at a club, police say

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Heard he had 20,000 rounds at home? Crazy if true.

      Not necessarily.

      Depends on what he shot.

      The price ammo fluctuates depending on current events and the current politic climate. The current price of 9mm ammo is 75c for 1 round for cheap crap to $1 per round.

      I have a couple of thousand rounds of 9mm of good stuff which I bought at about $250 for 1000 rounds. It allows me to ignore the current price spikes yet still maintain a practice schedule which you need to keep your skills.

      I also shoot, for different reasons 270, 308, 556 and 380. So if you stock up when the price is right as they say, it can easily stack up. Personally I think the most I have had is 10k rounds of different calibres. IIRC correctly I have bought about 800 new rounds in the last 3 years. I have lived on my opportune buys, but I can see how 20k rounds can be “legitimate” if the opportunity arises. And for the record it’s very easy to shoot a couple hundred rounds each time you go to the range.

      Great points, @spartan

      Like you said, it’s not as much as it may sound.

    • FireLicht2020

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      I mean… it’s a lot… but there are reasons to buy in bulk so I get it.

      But it’s still a lot

    • KarmaPolice

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      Pretty sure this guys was not bulk buying to save money :-)

      although, the recent Biden ‘socialist” gas price increase sure do make Moltov cocktails more expensive

    • Biggs3535

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      Quiet is right. You could wonder if Mr. Cronkite magically sprouted some self-awareness, but multiple threads on the same subject(s) still exist in his cove.

      The more likely – and repeatedly proven – answer is Mr. Cronkite is a flaming and unabashed hypocrite.

      • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by Biggs3535.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Quiet is right. You could wonder if Mr. Cronkite magically sprouted some self-awareness, but multiple threads on the same subject(s) still exist in his cove.

      The more likely – and repeatedly proven – answer is Mr. Cronkite is a flaming and unabashed hypocrite.

      • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by Biggs3535.

      Easier there, Marge

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Pretty sure this guys was not bulk buying to save money :-)

      although, the recent Biden ‘socialist” gas price increase sure do make Moltov cocktails more expensive

      Hate to break it to folks, but that’s not an “arsenal”.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Not by today’s standards, for sure

    • spartan

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      Pretty sure this guys was not bulk buying to save money :-)

      although, the recent Biden ‘socialist” gas price increase sure do make Moltov cocktails more expensive

      Hate to break it to folks, but that’s not an “arsenal”.

      Another factoid that is conveniently forgotten is that due to the deluge of gun laws that come in all the time, it is actually very difficult to get rid of gun stuff. A plastic magazine, hide it in the bottom of the trash bag, but anything else? Even bee bee gun pellets are a collosal pain to get rid of legally. Once you have it, you pretty much got to keep it.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Pretty sure this guys was not bulk buying to save money :-)

      although, the recent Biden ‘socialist” gas price increase sure do make Moltov cocktails more expensive

      Hate to break it to folks, but that’s not an “arsenal”.

      Another factoid that is conveniently forgotten is that due to the deluge of gun laws that come in all the time, it is actually very difficult to get rid of gun stuff. A plastic magazine, hide it in the bottom of the trash bag, but anything else? Even bee bee gun pellets are a collosal pain to get rid of legally. Once you have it, you pretty much got to keep it.

      Can you explain more? Do you mean it’s tough to dispose of bullets? Magazines ? Guns themselves?

    • FireLicht2020

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      You can’t use them at the range then have the business dispose of them?

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Not by today’s standards, for sure

      Not by any standard over the last 50+ years.

      That’s not a lot of ammo.

      And, I could be wrong (@spartan might be able to help me); but isn’t a majority of that ammo .22LR in plastic bags?

      Can’t tell as I can’t zoom in on the pic clearly.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Isn’t that kinda part of the problem?

        The gun culture…

        Do other countries have our level of ammo hoarding?

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Isn’t that kinda part of the problem?

      The gun culture…

      Do other countries have our level of ammo hoarding?

      Don’t know and honestly don’t care what other countries do.

      Again, I don’t see it as hoarding per say.

      Last time I had some friends over to shoot, we probably went through 850-1150 rounds of target grade .556 in a matter of a few hours.

      It’s common and smart practice to bulk purchase when particular ammo is A. Reasonably priced and B. When it’s actually available.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Isn’t that kinda part of the problem?

      The gun culture…

      Do other countries have our level of ammo hoarding?

      Not sure of the precise role of ammo but yes that is part of the problem

      You can’t sell millions of guns and rounds and mags and then act surprised when we have unique gun violence. Fist fights are now gun fights, road rage now shootouts on the highway. Domestics settled by gun death instead of battery. Employment grievances routinely end in mass murder.

      Only in America

      As I mentioned to DH, gun violence is such a routine event in America that there a new incident (or two) almost every day.

      More guns = more gun violence.

    • FireLicht2020

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      DH, you’re a responsible gun owner… if everyone were like you then it wouldn’t be a problem.

      You could own 50x more than that guy, but because you are level-headed and practice proper gun safety, it doesn’t matter.

      I’m simply stating that the United States had a completely different viewpoint on guns compared to the rest of the world. And while there are plenty of gun owners on both sides of the political spectrum and handle it well…

      There are too many that do not… and my fear is that it is getting worse. Like… if I was in Florida and anyone for whatever reason someone tried to fight me, I would no matter what walk away… don’t need to get shot thinking we are gonna throw down in a fair fight.

      And I’d wager a lot of people feel the same…

    • KarmaPolice

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      if everyone were like you then it wouldn’t be a problem

      Many of the people killing people with guns were “good guys with a gun” or “law abiding citizens” right up until the moment they were not.

      We wouldn’t have the problem we have if most gun owners were like DH BUT NOTHING WORKS LIKE THAT IN A SOCIETY so from a Public health perspective laws are degined to account for the fact that we have:

      people who drink bleach to cure CV19
      people who arm themselves and go to the border Walmart to kill “invaders”
      guys who think nothing of beating or killing their wives

      etc

      etc

    • jbear

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      This is ‘Merica.

      Yes this is Joe Biden’s Merica…. Go $*#$ Off.

      There are too many that do not… and my fear is that it is getting worse. Like… if I was in Florida and anyone for whatever reason someone tried to fight me, I would no matter what walk away… don’t need to get shot thinking we are gonna throw down in a fair fight.

      And I’d wager a lot of people feel the same…

      Jesus Christ Fire…. It’s just too easy. Scared to come to Florida because MSN or whatever but talking about how you “would” get in a fight if you weren’t to scared to go to a state where half the country vacations every year.

      And you live in Oregon! Near Portland!

      What the heck is wrong with you anyway?

    • jbear

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      Fire, you are the biggest snowflake I know of. You haven’t been in a fight since the last time you got hung out to dry on your locker by your underpants.

      Big scary Florida…. man you know how to irritate.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Lol, yeah getting shot when I think it’s a fist fight sounds great. Totally worth it..

        I won’t pretend to know how big and tough you are, because being an internet tough guy is pointless.

        Something you’re affluent in…

    • KarmaPolice

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      this is Joe Biden’s Merica…. Go $*#$ Off.

      obviously not even close to true on guns

      By the way, you always say you trust people to make their won choices.

      yesterday, in Opa-Locka a father took his 10 year old son in his fan to “drive by” people with a paintball gun. The kid was shot by someone on the street.

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Is there a bigger Projection than jbear calling me a snowflake?

      Can’t think of one.. maybe Trump calling people a liar?

    • jbear

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      Is there a bigger Projection than jbear calling me a snowflake?

      Can’t think of one.. maybe Trump calling people a liar?

      So what the heck is this supposed to mean?

      Like… if I was in Florida and anyone for whatever reason someone tried to fight me, I would no matter what walk away… don’t need to get shot thinking we are gonna throw down in a fair fight.

      What are you trying to say? Sounds like Racheal Maddow told you Florida is bad and somehow you would behave differently than you would in say Oregon where you live and murders are up 5x over the last several years. Stand your ground? Seriously? I can really see you Fire, based on your message board persona, attacking someone on the street and getting shot. Is this a straw man? Assaulting someone is a crime… even in Oregon at least anywhere where they still have police.

      You are such a snowflake.

    • jbear

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      I seriously hope Congress starts a Commision on the San Jose shooting.

      It is sooo needed at this time, imo…

      I think this sounds like a great idea. I wonder why Nancy isn’t talking about this? Perhaps we need another domestic terror warning that won’t materialize to get fire to lock himself with his family in his basement in fear of the Qanon Trumper attacks that are coming any minute now.

    • KarmaPolice

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      we need another domestic terror warning that won’t materialize

      Dont let the mind control work on you, One Truth!

    • jbear

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      Dont let the mind control work on you, One Truth!

      Yeah totally crazy to demand transparency the way we did back in the good ol days of the 00’s. Hey W is there a reason for this terror warning or is it all a political tool used to scare people into voting for you? Because that was a fair question then and now suddenly isn’t.

      Your hypocrisy seemingly has no limits.

    • KarmaPolice

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      to demand transparency

      Totally crazy to believe – as you must given that you posted the article – that a terrorism alert system is actually mind control

      (As opposed to just an imperfect system)

      Next you’ll say HRC is a pizza loving and child eating murderer

    • jbear

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      Totally crazy to believe – as you must given that you posted the article – that a terrorism alert system is actually mind control

      (As opposed to just an imperfect system)

      Next you’ll say HRC is a pizza loving and child eating murderer

      That’s exactly what a mind controlling fascist would say isn’t it?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Are we going back to the “homicides up 100%” in Oregon or whatever other liberal area a cherry-picked data set is coming from?

      Stand your ground law is asinine… but being worried that someone would use a weapon happens everywhere. It happened here in Oregon when a bar fight broke out, a drunk (Trumper) carried a concealed gun (while being shit faced)… he intervened in a fist fight, and ended up getting shot by the cops because he reached for his gun when they told him to stand down.

      It isn’t just Florida and stand your ground.

      And jbear… I don’t watch any and I mean ANY msnbc. I read news and watch clips every now and then… but I’m not sitting down to obsess over what talking heads say and think every night. Life is too short.

      Literally have no idea what Maddow thinks… don’t care for her. You’re pulling on straw man after straw man

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Stand your ground law is asinine…

      I’m sorry. But, how so?

      • FireLicht2020

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        Because the purpose of it doesn’t reflect the outcome.

        You shoot someone. They are dead. You say you were standing your ground.

        This is an oversimplification but it’s an excuse to escalate.

        I’m open to hearing why I’m wrong… so let’s hear it

      • FireLicht2020

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        Researchers summarized one of the more recent studies they reviewed: “stand your ground laws were associated with a 6.8% increase in homicide rates, mainly driven by increments (14.7%) in homicide rates among white males.”

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/9/27/20887403/stand-your-ground-laws-homicides-crime-self-defense

        You can Google anything to get the answer you are looking for… so simply Google “stand your ground law good” will also give some confirmation bias…

        I’m not immune to confirmation bias, so I truly want to hear your side of this with an open mind… since you are more of an expert in this field than me, as opposed to your awful taste in music 😎

    • jbear

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      Stand your ground law is asinine…

      I’m sorry. But, how so?

      Well it’s not from Rachel… he doesn’t know anything about Rachel. He probably heard it at his wall of mom’s book club weekly meeting.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Which fascist programming do you get your “socialist boogeyman” info from?

        Or “Portland is on fire”.

        Or “water is turning people gay”

        Or “Jane 6th was a peaceful protest”.

        Golf golly gee you’re the biggest fucking clown here… which is impressive with Biggs “I’m done I won and I’m taking my ball” and kkkron calling everyone a “f*g”

    • KarmaPolice

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      It’s asinine IN PRACTICE because it leads to people escalating in the public square

      See the guy who shot the guy in the Walgreens (CVS?) parking lot

      The prior law was focused on life saving. It was imperfect. It definitely made sense to do away with the retreat obligation in a home (the Castle Doctrine) but the only way for SYG to work as intended (a deterrent to crime because everyone now has the right to kill you) would be for us to have numerous very public incidents where SYG was publicly litigated and the shooter was exonerated. That’s not going so well so far because people are idiots.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      You shoot someone. They are dead. You say you were standing your ground.

      Don’t you still have to prove it in court?

      • FireLicht2020

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        My primary point is that is causes more escalation in violence…

        But it’s a lot easier to win in court with no witness 🤷‍♂️

    • jbear

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      Or “water is turning people gay”

      Water is turning people gay? I’ve never even heard of that one. They sure do have you by the nut sack. lol

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      But it’s a lot easier to win in court with no witness 🤷‍♂️

      Hmmm…

      Not true. But…🤷‍♂️

    • KarmaPolice

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      My primary point is that is causes more escalation in violence…

      But it’s a lot easier to win in court with no witness 🤷‍♂️

      It does escalate, by definition. That’s the very point. The thought being that in the long run it would reduce crime

      It’s a firm of self defense in court

    • FireLicht2020

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      Ask Treyvon Martin what he thinks…

    • jbear

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      I misspoke… turning FROGS gay

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/09/14/alex-jones-5-most-disturbing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theories.html

      This is the guy that the guy you voted for listens to…

      Why is it that I’ve heard more about Alex Jones from you and Karma than I ever cared to know on my own?

    • KarmaPolice

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      I misspoke… turning FROGS gay

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/09/14/alex-jones-5-most-disturbing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theories.html

      This is the guy that the guy you voted for listens to…

      Why is it that I’ve heard more about Alex Jones from you and Karma than I ever cared to know on my own?

      because you spend your time listening to Rudy Guiliani?

    • spartan

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      Can you explain more? Do you mean it’s tough to dispose of bullets? Magazines ? Guns themselves?

      In a word. Yes.

      Much of the stuff you can’t give it away, and the Cops and authorities don’t want to take it off you as then they are responsible for getting rid of it.

      Let’s take ammo. You cannot throw it in the trash, take it the land fill and it’s difficult finding somewhere to take it. Why get rid of ammo? An example is my Father in Law recently died and he had bee bee pellets and 20 gauge shot gun shells. Don’t know why because he didn’t have a shot gun or a bee bee gun. I am now stuck with them because I can’t throw it away (even the bee bee pellets) and my local cops won’t take them. I guess I will find a place eventually but it’s not like popping down to the local publix.

      Getting rid of a gun. Dealers are not interested in buying it from you unless it is very valuable, or it is a trade in. Then they low ball you. Why? Because they can safely knowing the only other way is a private sale which you guys want to eliminate and is a pain in the ass unless you already know the person.

    • spartan

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      Kinda funny that those who think the citizens do not have a right to arm and defend themselves, are the same ones complaining that the Govt are turning up and executing BLM.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Kinda funny that those who think the citizens do not have a right to arm and defend themselves, are the same ones complaining that the Govt are turning up and executing BLM.

      Weird on so many levels because its so cartoon like in its exaggeration

      how many Americans actually believe this? “citizens do not have a right to arm and defend themselves”

      almost none?

      and then who says this, in the real world: “complaining that the Govt are turning up and executing BLM”

      almost no one? The govt is “executing” BLM?

      Its like you created two fictional people or at best youre talking about a very, very tiny minoroty?

    • KarmaPolice

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      Getting rid of a gun. Dealers are not interested in buying it from you unless it is very valuable, or it is a trade in. Then they low ball you. Why? Because they can safely knowing the only other way is a private sale which you guys want to eliminate and is a pain in the ass unless you already know the person.

      crazy talk day, maybe?

      The NRA pushes the private sale loophole — there are freaking website marketplaces to sell ARS with NO background check — precisely so people like you will sell old to buy new

      eliminate private sales? Many want BACJGROUND CHECKS

      at some point, you have to connect to the real world because everything is phantoms and strawmen

    • spartan

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      The SYG laws were in response to the concept of duty to retreat. People were getting killed and severely injured as they were not legally allowed to defend themselves. In that regard they are a natural and IMO fair response.

      The problem funny enough is, IMO, caused by people (especially attorneys + DA’s) who don’t agree with SYG. What? Yes I know it sounds odd, but they were very quick to prosecute people who pulled their firearms and DID NOT USE THEM. Their argument was that if you were in fear for your life/bodily harm you would have used the weapon. Since you did not, you could not really have been in fear for you life, therefore SYG does not apply and therefore you go to jail.

      In my CCW class eons ago, we were specifically told and taught NOT to draw your firearm unless you have every intention of using it. And if you did draw it, use it, because if you don’t you run a very high risk of being arrested.

    • KarmaPolice

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      @Spartan if you LEGALLY transfer a car to your family member, its a registered and taxed PUBLIC transaction . . or you bear the liability for the vehicle

      but an AR . . well, privately transfer that . . NO BACKGROUND CHECK

    • spartan

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      The NRA pushes the private sale loophole — there are freaking website marketplaces to sell ARS with NO background check — precisely so people like you will sell old to buy new

      I said it was a pain in the ass, didn’t say it wasn’t possible.

    • spartan

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      Kinda funny that those who think the citizens do not have a right to arm and defend themselves, are the same ones complaining that the Govt are turning up and executing BLM.

      Weird on so many levels because its so cartoon like in its exaggeration

      how many Americans actually believe this? “citizens do not have a right to arm and defend themselves”

      almost none?

      and then who says this, in the real world: “complaining that the Govt are turning up and executing BLM”

      almost no one? The govt is “executing” BLM?

      Its like you created two fictional people or at best youre talking about a very, very tiny minoroty?

      Says the expert on hyperbole and exaggeration. I thought you would enjoy the excess that demonstrated the point. What’s good for the goose etc.

      That is, folks shouldn’t own guns because you can dial 911 and they will protect you, but then they turn up (current and frequent argument) and shoot you.

    • KarmaPolice

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      The SYG laws were in response to the concept of duty to retreat. People were getting killed and severely injured as they were not legally allowed to defend themselves.

      FALSE

      The problem funny enough is, IMO, caused by people (especially attorneys + DA’s) who don’t agree with SYG. What? Yes I know it sounds odd, but they were very quick to prosecute people who pulled their firearms and DID NOT USE THEM. Their argument was that if you were in fear for your life/bodily harm you would have used the weapon. Since you did not, you could not really have been in fear for you life, therefore SYG does not apply and therefore you go to jail.

      LMAO

      Can you point to even a SINGLE case to support that?

      To being with a judge and then a jury makes the decision on the SYG defense. its a form of self defense

      told and taught NOT to draw your firearm unless you have every intention of using it. And if you did draw it, use it, because if you don’t you run a very high risk of being arrested

      this is EXACTLY opposite of the law. LOL, maybe you should’ve shot the instructor

      The law before SYG was simple. Its was designed to minimize death by making it so that OUTIDE YOUR OWN HOME you had an obligation to be reasonable, that is to defend yourself, but also to do so BY GETTING AWAY IF YOU COULD

      SYG was premised on the belief that CRIME would decline in the NRA fantasy scenario where everyone was armed and could use their gun to kill you, no matter what you did.

      Florida has numerous examples of the flaw in the law. Here one high profile case

      https://www.npr.org/2019/08/19/752365033/stand-your-ground-trial-begins-in-florida-a-year-after-unarmed-black-man-is-kill

      Michael Drejka was convicted

      I am not sure, but I think his defense even WITHDREW his SYG defense

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      @Spartan if you LEGALLY transfer a car to your family member, its a registered and taxed PUBLIC transaction . . or you bear the liability for the vehicle

      but an AR . . well, privately transfer that . . NO BACKGROUND CHECK

      You don’t need a back ground check to transfer a grill either. But then again you don’t need someone’s address to send a ticket for a red light, speeding, FTS accident etc, or an AR for that matter.

      Just to flog the horse that is now a complete and utter skeleton, I am not adverse to some degrees of gun control, but what has been presented up until now have been ill advised, not thought through and have a multitude of hidden consequences.

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      Says the expert on hyperbole and exaggeration. I thought you would enjoy the excess that demonstrated the point.



      @Spartan

      you’re saying NOW that your almost indecipherable hyperbole was a goose/gander attempt? You were trying to make a point about hyperbole?

      Yeah . . way to own it.

      good grief

    • KarmaPolice

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      I am not adverse to some degrees of gun control, but what has been presented up until now have been ill advised, not thought through and have a multitude of hidden consequences.

      right, right . . .

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      Kinda funny that those who think the citizens do not have a right to arm and defend themselves, are the same ones complaining that the Govt are turning up and executing BLM.

      todays lesson in hyperbole . .

      who knew?

      Thank you for your service

    • FireLicht2020

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      Can I ask a simple question:

      Why shouldn’t it take 30-45 days to get a gun through proper channels?

      That’s it… that’s the only question… like why do you need a gun so damn quick?

      And that may sound condescending and maybe there is a good reason for it that I don’t understand?

      But perhaps that alone would create a deterent and allow for proper screening?

    • KarmaPolice

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      But perhaps that alone would create a deterent and allow for proper screening?

      to your point, the federal law has a “use it or lose it” BG check feature that can lead to a gun purchase even with an incomplete check . . because the NRA (effectively) wrote the law to put the burden on law enforcement . .

      The same NRA influence has led no head of the ATF, limited funding for the ATF, no national databases, etc.

      PROFIT DRIVEN industry control over legislation

      same reason insulin so expensive etc.

      all part of the “American” way . . although JBear thinks its an innate human characteristic :-)

    • KarmaPolice

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      I noticed no posts on here regarding the incident, and not nearly as much media coverage as other mass shootings.

      Weird.

      DH

      this is actually making your point for you perfectly

      In other words, its taking a Congressional Research Office/FBI phrase “mass shootings,” which is defined as “multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at one or more locations close to one another” and using it to argue that Congress should “ban assault weapons and large capacity magazines” when the 611 mass shootings referenced in the tweet are largely handgun-related.

      Its an apple to an orange. The typical high-profile fantasy-style, often random victim, unconnected location, AR/Body armor event (eg Boulder, Sandy Hook, Santa Monica, El Paso) is only a subset of the “mass shootings” statistic.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Funny to be how people wow to their NRA masters…

      We have a mass shooting problem, and the solution is…

      Thoughts & prayers!

    • KarmaPolice

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      Funny to be how people wow to their NRA masters…

      We have a mass shooting problem, and the solution is…

      Thoughts & prayers!

      the same people who fight reasonable gun restrictions are now claiming their is a violent crime problem BECAUSE of “defunding the police” lol something that hasn’t really even happened.

      the same people are now making and passing permit-less carry laws.

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      like why do you need a gun so damn quick?

      Because it’s unfortunately still a free country and it’s a constitutional right.

      This type of question is insulting and stupid. The moment the government has the right to make you fill out some form to explain why you need your constitutional right to a weapon is the moment we’re doomed. I’m against holding it more than a few days and only because of the possibility that someone is having some sort of mental breakdown when they try to purchase a weapon. Short of that, getting something like a 30 day wait will only embolden you and your lunatic friends to jack it up to 6 months, a year?

      Go ahead and deny it Fire.

      • FireLicht2020

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        WHY do you need to get a gun so quick?

        It’s like you wanna be able to prime deliver it or some shit…

        WHY? And the answer is the NRA, but you’re too chicken shit to say it.

        By your logic we should allowed 8 y/o to buy pot

    • KarmaPolice

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      Because it’s unfortunately still a free country and it’s a constitutional right.

      This type of question is insulting and stupid.

      lol, JBear thankfully your posts are just trolling because anyone who actually thought this response was genuine might worry about your sanity

      Fire asked WHY do you need a gun so quickly?

      Your answer isn’t even a response. It’s a “because we can . . . and you are crazy . . rant, rant, rant”

      People have a constitutional right to live

      every right in the Bill of Rights is LIMITED

      Your response is basically “f–k off Fire”

    • KarmaPolice

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      some form to explain why you need your constitutional right to a weapon is the moment we’re doomed

      in many instances, you have to fill out a form and even get a permit to exercise your constitutional right of free speech

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      not even news

    • KarmaPolice

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      Day to day life

    • KarmaPolice

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      Early report from Austin makes best guess handgun. Here’s why

      “ Among the 13 wounded or injured, 11 were in stable condition Saturday and two were in critical condition.”

      No one killed, two critically injured.

      Could be wrong

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      ‘MERICA

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Early report from Austin makes best guess handgun. Here’s why

      “ Among the 13 wounded or injured, 11 were in stable condition Saturday and two were in critical condition.”

      No one killed, two critically injured.

      Could be wrong

      Smh…

    • KarmaPolice

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      Early report from Austin makes best guess handgun. Here’s why

      “ Among the 13 wounded or injured, 11 were in stable condition Saturday and two were in critical condition.”

      No one killed, two critically injured.

      Could be wrong

      Smh…

      Want to bet a beer? 😁

    • KarmaPolice

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      Read that last sentence

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Want to bet a beer? 😁

      Nah. I’ll bet that it was a semi-automatic handgun because it’s the weapon MOST USED in mass ahootings, not because of an uneducated opinion.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Want to bet a beer? 😁

      Nah. I’ll bet that it was a semi-automatic handgun because it’s the weapon MOST USED in mass ahootings, not because of an uneducated opinion.

      So you want to bet about a know fact??

      Not sure you realize how this works 😂😂

      Anyway, my point was the injuries versus deaths. I am probably wrong but as they say sometimes is better to be lucky than good (or uneducated)

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      So you want to bet about a know fact??

      Didn’t read where a weapon was identified. So, I wasn’t aware.

      Unless you’re referring to something else.

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      Feinstein with her usual agenda-based falsehoods.

      She might be the most ignorant fossil to ever grace the gun debate.

    • KarmaPolice

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      So you want to bet about a know fact??

      Didn’t read where a weapon was identified. So, I wasn’t aware.

      Unless you’re referring to something else.

      I meant that if you use the FBI/Congressional Record definition of a mass shooting it’s undoubtedly a handgun as the primary weapon. I wasn’t saying that. I was just saying that you could make a good guess it was a handgun by the low fatality rate.

      Again, could be wrong

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      I was just saying that you could make a good guess it was a handgun by the low fatality rate.

      Again, could be wrong

      Yeah. You would be.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Karma,

      I know you (and the other anti-semiautomatic rifle crowd) are wanting to rid the world of these weapons (though STILL haven’t come up with a realistic means to do so)…

      …but what are your plans or proposals to rid the country of the preferred choice of mass shooters…the semiautomatic pistol?

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