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      “What the Bucs’ Plan Should Be After Firing Greg Schiano, Mark Dominik Published Dec. 30, 2013 By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell The Buccaneers had to move into a new direction, so their firing of general manager Mark Dominik and head coach Greg Schiano comes as no surprise (check out Walt's coach firing grades). Dominik was 28-52 in five seasons with three seasons of 12 or more losses. He had many blown draft picks that led to losses, including Josh Freeman. He never brought in effective pass-rushers, while a lack of depth hurt the team every season. Freeman's off-the-field problems were known back in the 2011 campaign and were never adequately addressed by the team before his release. Schiano was 11-21 in two seasons and was never a good fit in the NFL. His strict style rubbed players the wrong way. Some of the Bucs' best players told WalterFootball.com privately that they didn't like how Schiano was using them and that he wasn't putting them in a position to do what they do best. As one source said, "He doesn't understand that these aren't college kids where you can threaten to yank their scholarship. These are grown men and many of them are getting paid more than he is. He can't use the college style to get them to play together." The Glazers made the right decision to clean house and start over. Going forward, the Buccaneers should look to some familiar faces to get the franchise righted. Lovie Smith was the Bucs' linebackers coach during their turnaround in the 90s. Considering what he did in Chicago, he would be a huge upgrade as the head coach over Schiano. In the front office, Tampa Bay has some interesting names they could hire. Jerry Angelo helped build the Bucs' Super Bowl roster as well as Chicago's in 2006. He's in Tampa ready to get to work. The Glazers haven't been successful at identifying young up-and-comers as general managers or head coaches. They should go for proven commodities. The Buccaneers should also look to hire Rams director of college scouting Brad Holmes as their director of player personnel. Holmes is a Tampa native who went to Chamberlain High School. He's done a great job of building up young talent on the Rams' roster. For better scouting, Tampa Bay should look to bring back scout Mike Martin. He grew up in Tampa and was with the Bucs during the Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden years before being hired away by the Texans. After leaving the Buccaneers,  Martin helped lead Houston to signing Arian Foster and drafting Duane Brown along with many other astute draft picks. Martin would be a top-notch selection head to the Buccaneers' college scouting department, or the director of pro scouting if the new general manager wants to keep Eric Stokes on staff. Why so many local guys? Tampa is a unique place to play. Playing in the heat is tough on a lot of players, especially lineman. You can't just take any offensive lineman from Wisconsin and expect them to perform as well in the hot and humid conditions. Some lineman don't hold up in the Tampa heat. And the party culture in Tampa Bay has ruined some players' careers in the past. The right players have to be brought in to keep these issues from being a problem, but it takes people who know Tampa well to spot the players who don't fit. It can be done as evidenced by the franchise's string of success during the Tony Dungy and Gruden years. Angelo, Smith, Holmes and Martin all know this from their time in Tampa. They would be a great group to lead the Buccaneers back to being a relevant team in the NFL"

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      Interesting article. Looking forward to seeing how much of this shakes out. Thanks VBF.

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      sure, no prob. Also looking forward to watching it play out

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      I can’t really comment on GM/Scout hires as I honestly don’t really follow closely how folks have done in those positions across the league.  But from the coaching side I would not be opposed to Lovie Smith …he was solid if not spectacular in Chicago, he does have an NFC championship to his name and the clout to bring in solid assistants.  Plus I think he would utilize the defensive talent we have here correctly and maximize their skill sets.  He would be the obvious upgrade over the past 2 coaches.

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      I can't really comment on GM/Scout hires as I honestly don't really follow closely how folks have done in those positions across the league.  But from the coaching side I would not be opposed to Lovie Smith ...he was solid if not spectacular in Chicago, he does have an NFC championship to his name and the clout to bring in solid assistants.  Plus I think he would utilize the defensive talent we have here correctly and maximize their skill sets.  He would be the obvious upgrade over the past 2 coaches.

      would Cutler come with him?Cutler/Glennon in 2014?

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      The pundits, Rock Riley and Roy Cummings, have the mindset that the defense is pretty much set. Thus, we only need a strong offensive minded staff. In a Revis presser he stated we definitely need a few more pieces on defense for it to be solid. I am of the mindset we could use better play/scheme design on both sides of the ball. I saw too many completed passes to the flats, too much loss of outside containment and too many defenders ending up in the same places or not there at all. Offensively, the play calling and blocking schemes were just too vanilla and totally predictable.

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      “solid but not spectacular” is a great description of Smith, just good enough to keep us from getting a decent draft pick.  I’d rather swing for the fences.  Have no interest in Cutler whatsoever unless he wants to come here for the vet’s minimum.

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      Greg Roman.

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      I think Lovie could probably get us 8 or 9 wins in a year or 2. Everyone will be happy for a bit then start bitching how we can’t get in the play offs or lose our first game.

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      Who are you hiring that is a “swing for the fences hire”?  That’s the thing.  This man led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance.  There’s no amazing college coaches that would come here.  There’s no coordinator that people point to and are like “that guy is the future of our business”.  This is a down year.  If the Bucs can get Lovie, I don’t understand any trepidation about it.  The only thing I’m a little bit hesitant on is the OC he’s supposedly bringing.  Was hoping for someone who has had success coaching in the NFL.

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      Staying on the Lovie Smith angle; National Football Post is reporting that he has Jeff Tedford lined up as his OC. Here is the linkhttp://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Lovie-Smith-has-Tedford-lined-up-as-his-OC.html

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      Who are you hiring that is a "swing for the fences hire"?  That's the thing.  This man led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance.  There's no amazing college coaches that would come here.  There's no coordinator that people point to and are like "that guy is the future of our business".  This is a down year.  If the Bucs can get Lovie, I don't understand any trepidation about it.  The only thing I'm a little bit hesitant on is the OC he's supposedly bringing.  Was hoping for someone who has had success coaching in the NFL.

      Maybe a guy like David Shaw.  He said he's staying at Stanford, and you probably don't believe he'd come here, but if the money were right maybe he would.  I'd try.  I'd narrow it down to a few guys that have proven themselves and I would feel comfortable giving the keys for the next 6 or 7 years, then I'd to what it took to get them.  You know, the way big boy franchises like Pittsburgh and New England do it.  To me, Lovie Smith is a stop-gap caliber coach.  The fact that he "led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance" ignores the fact that there was a ton of talent on that team, enough to compensate for their QB who actually had pretty good stats that year.

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      Who are you hiring that is a "swing for the fences hire"?  That's the thing.  This man led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance.  There's no amazing college coaches that would come here.  There's no coordinator that people point to and are like "that guy is the future of our business".  This is a down year.  If the Bucs can get Lovie, I don't understand any trepidation about it.  The only thing I'm a little bit hesitant on is the OC he's supposedly bringing.  Was hoping for someone who has had success coaching in the NFL.

      Maybe a guy like David Shaw.  He said he's staying at Stanford, and you probably don't believe he'd come here, but if the money were right maybe he would.  I'd try.  I'd narrow it down to a few guys that have proven themselves and I would feel comfortable giving the keys for the next 6 or 7 years, then I'd to what it took to get them.  You know, the way big boy franchises like Pittsburgh and New England do it.  To me, Lovie Smith is a stop-gap caliber coach.  The fact that he "led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance" ignores the fact that there was a ton of talent on that team, enough to compensate for their QB who actually had pretty good stats that year.

      I think the chances of a hire for Head Coach being either a College coach is as next to zero as it can be and the chance of an NFLer who hasn't been a Head Coach in the NFL just slightly more possible.

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      I think Lovie could probably get us 8 or 9 wins in a year or 2. Everyone will be happy for a bit then start **CENSORED**ing how we can't get in the play offs or lose our first game.

      I agree here... not so much that I think Lovie will never beat 8/9 wins, or even take more than a year to do it... rather that this fan base has become seriously inpatient (EDIT: impatient, though both fit). When the Glazers look at HC I'm sure they'll look at the long term. That means what warts Lovie Smith has despite decent credentials and the right personality to make this defense nasty. For example he came across as Tony Dungy part two; Dungy is a Tampa legend but people soured on him after our offense stayed pathetic. It's partially the reason Lovie is available. Personally I think it's weird that the links to Smith are so fast and open. We all know one thing about the Glazers: Their compartmentalization would make the CIA proud when it comes to their searches. How in the hell did Smith's name get leaked as such a sure thing, along with "sources" laying out his staff makeup? Sounds like Agent leaks to me drumming up interest from a different/multiple teams. Maybe I'm wrong and the Glazers have changed... but probably not.

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      Maybe a guy like David Shaw.  He said he's staying at Stanford, and you probably don't believe he'd come here, but if the money were right maybe he would.  I'd try.  I'd narrow it down to a few guys that have proven themselves and I would feel comfortable giving the keys for the next 6 or 7 years, then I'd to what it took to get them.  You know, the way big boy franchises like Pittsburgh and New England do it.  To me, Lovie Smith is a stop-gap caliber coach.  The fact that he "led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance" ignores the fact that there was a ton of talent on that team, enough to compensate for their QB who actually had pretty good stats that year.Grossman had pretty good stats that year? I'm pretty sure that he got injured early in the season and Kyle Orton started 12 games or so. Plus they had an awesome defense and Devin Hester in his prime. If Lovie Smith can't find the next amazing offensive coordinator, then he won't win here. Kyle Shanahan or Chudzinski might be good hires... not interested in Tedford at all. We would also need a DC, and I'm not interested in Rod Marinelli at this point. Jerry Angelo can also stay on the unemployment line.... this is the guy that refused to pay Matt Forte... the year after he was 60% of the Bear's offense.

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      I think Lovie could probably get us 8 or 9 wins in a year or 2. Everyone will be happy for a bit then start **CENSORED**ing how we can't get in the play offs or lose our first game.

      I agree here... not so much that I think Lovie will never beat 8/9 wins, or even take more than a year to do it... rather that this fan base has become seriously inpatient (EDIT: impatient, though both fit). When the Glazers look at HC I'm sure they'll look at the long term. That means what warts Lovie Smith has despite decent credentials and the right personality to make this defense nasty. For example he came across as Tony Dungy part two; Dungy is a Tampa legend but people soured on him after our offense stayed pathetic. It's partially the reason Lovie is available. Personally I think it's weird that the links to Smith are so fast and open. We all know one thing about the Glazers: Their compartmentalization would make the CIA proud when it comes to their searches. How in the hell did Smith's name get leaked as such a sure thing, along with "sources" laying out his staff makeup? Sounds like Agent leaks to me drumming up interest from a different/multiple teams. Maybe I'm wrong and the Glazers have changed... but probably not.

      Excellent point.

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      Maybe a guy like David Shaw.  He said he's staying at Stanford, and you probably don't believe he'd come here, but if the money were right maybe he would.  I'd try.  I'd narrow it down to a few guys that have proven themselves and I would feel comfortable giving the keys for the next 6 or 7 years, then I'd to what it took to get them.  You know, the way big boy franchises like Pittsburgh and New England do it.  To me, Lovie Smith is a stop-gap caliber coach.  The fact that he "led Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl appearance" ignores the fact that there was a ton of talent on that team, enough to compensate for their QB who actually had pretty good stats that year.Grossman had pretty good stats that year? I'm pretty sure that he got injured early in the season and Kyle Orton started 12 games or so. Plus they had an awesome defense and Devin Hester in his prime. If Lovie Smith can't find the next amazing offensive coordinator, then he won't win here. Kyle Shanahan or Chudzinski might be good hires... not interested in Tedford at all. We would also need a DC, and I'm not interested in Rod Marinelli at this point. Jerry Angelo can also stay on the unemployment line.... this is the guy that refused to pay Matt Forte... the year after he was 60% of the Bear's offense.You might be right.  I'm strictly going by memory, but I do recall that Grossman's play was pretty decent for a year or two before he fell off a cliff.  In the end I think he was undone by some pretty lousy work habits, if my faltering memory serves me correctly.

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      Lovie is a solid NFL HC.  Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6.  I don’t know about you, but I’ll take that for now!  Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them.  Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.As Runole said in another post......stay tuned...

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      Lovie is a solid NFL HC.  Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6.  I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now!  Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them.  Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.

      The part in bold is obviously true and yet it escapes the reasoning for many on these boards.  Players and coaches are often referred to as static, as if their past efforts are the sum total of their reasonably expected future efforts. Obviously players and coaches evolve. The trick is not only finding a good coach or player, but also having good (some might say lucky) timing

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      Lovie is a solid NFL HC.  Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6.  I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now!  Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them.  Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.As Runole said in another post......stay tuned...

      I agree on the possibility Smith matured a great deal while sitting on the sidelines for a season.

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      Lovie is a solid NFL HC.  Many are forgetting that, even his last year with the Bears, after which he was fired, he went 10-6.  I don't know about you, but I'll take that for now!  Also, I think Lovie has learned his lesson, especially since he had the entire 2013 season as an observer to KNOW how important it will be to have a good offense.Don't forget, Bellichek was fired for not "getting it done" too before he became the Patriots HC.....and he didn't go 10-6 his last year with them.  Not saying Lovie is Bellichek 2, just that a HC CAN learn...and I believe Lovie has.

      The part in bold is obviously true and yet it escapes the reasoning for many on these boards.  Players and coaches are often referred to as static, as if their past efforts are the sum total of their reasonably expected future efforts. Obviously players and coaches evolve. The trick is not only finding a good coach or player, but also having good (some might say lucky) timing

      Just to play the opposite side - frequently it seems that by the time you get to be a head coach (and have a few years at it), you know who you are. Just stirring the pot here, but I wonder if head coaches really change much at all (other than their schemes) and rather the difference in the success of retreads is purely if they find a franchise QB.

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      Tom Coghlin certainly changed, and it appears thar Schiano,did too, only too late.

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      Tom Coghlin certainly changed, and it appears thar Schiano,did too, only too late.

      Love the hire of Smith and it was time for the Bucs to release Schiano but I do believe he did some really good things after the mess that he inherited from Tweedle Rah and Tweedle Dumb( nice guy but really not a GM).  The biggest problem the Bucs have is a media that tends to consistently ride the stupid train and play an adversarial role with the organization if they don't consistently give them Carte Blanche when it comes to access to the team.  Media today is no longer giving responsible journalism.  They all seem to have an agenda where objectivity is thrown out the window and replaced with a TMZ attitude filled with smarmy remarks like A-hole Fennelly, Cummings Dumbeg and other talking heads that occupy the local TV stations.    Hopefully, they allow Smith and company to do their thing without questioning every move the franchise makes.Demonizing the Glazers is not a productive exercise as over the last 2 years they certainly have opened their wallets.  I like  the thoughts on the original article which make logical sense..  To those against the hiring and moves being made I see little reasoning behind their suggested alternatives for the hiring someone else.I still think the statement  "THOSE THAT LISTEN TO THE FANS WILL SOON BE IN THE STANDS WITH THEM" is more relevant than ever today.I think part of it actually has to do with fantasy football where the individual has more value than the team.  There are a couple of QB's in the draft that would be worth taking but I am fairly certain they will be gone.  I hope the Bucs get a veteran QB because Glennon isn't the answer. I am excited by the latest moves by the organization.

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      Schiano left the team in much better condition than he found it in. He did not leave it in as good a condition as he could have though.The trade for Revis, pouring resources into safety, letting Bennett walk, cutting Talib, Blount, these things and others were big mistakes.The right call was made firing him.  ANd for at least a while the media vultures will shut the hell up as the fan base will not be receptive of their typical BS act on Lovie at this point in time.  They'll wait until he seems to slip up and stick the knives in then.

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      Surprised anyone still thinks getting rid of Blount/Talib was a mistake.  I agree with the rest, but those two seem to be absolutely the right decisions.

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      Schiano left the team in much better condition than he found it in. He did not leave it in as good a condition as he could have though.The trade for Revis, pouring resources into safety, letting Bennett walk, cutting Talib, Blount, these things and others were big mistakes.The right call was made firing him.  ANd for at least a while the media vultures will shut the hell up as the fan base will not be receptive of their typical BS act on Lovie at this point in time.  They'll wait until he seems to slip up and stick the knives in then.

      That's so true, the part about the media waiting to stick the knives in. Negativity sells and the media seems to, hell, DOES invest in it. Billboards the constant personal bashing on the radio, columnists, etc. But like I typed, it sells and in the end it's all about money. Runole mentioned the quote  "THOSE THAT LISTEN TO THE FANS WILL SOON BE IN THE STANDS WITH THEM" and it's true.......unless you're an owner. Then you're about selling seats obviously.Today it looks good though, for now there is peace in the Bay. NFL.........(nope, not the National Football League LOL)

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      Surprised anyone still thinks getting rid of Blount/Talib was a mistake.  I agree with the rest, but those two seem to be absolutely the right decisions.

      I was all about getting Talib out of here, but in retrospect it looks pretty stupid.  NE hasn't had a problem with him for a while now.  Blount I never wanted gone and haven't changed my mind.  He isn't particularly special, but he would have been worth keeping around.

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      Surprised anyone still thinks getting rid of Blount/Talib was a mistake.  I agree with the rest, but those two seem to be absolutely the right decisions.

      After seeing what those guys are doing now my guess is that it took a change of scenery, another no nonsense coach and the realization that this might be Talib’s last chance to play with a potential winning team. Next stop? Jacksonville or Cleveland. Blount was rumored to be slow about grasping the playbook. Couple that with running behind our then offensive line and a young faster back gunning for your job maybe he saw the writing on the wall. You gotta admit he does only runs a limited amount of plays. But, he’s also running behind a better offensive line than he had here.

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      I cant understand the thought process that looks at Talib and Blount NOW and concludes their play NOW (essentially a last chance for both playing for a unique coach and club) equals cutting ties THEN was an error.  That thinking is so flawed its hard to digest. The Oakland Raiders should have kept  Randy oss because of the way he played in NE?

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