Comparison to Favre has to Stop (It’s Lazy and Ignorant)

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  • #1241508
    harrybucman
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    Racist? Hell, I don’t care what color they are as long as they win games. I’ll take polka dots if they can win.

    Dilfer was a .500 QB here in Tampa. .500! WTH. How did we become so ok with losing that we are thinking of keeping this jack off another year or more?

     

    Tell your wife I said to take out a large life insurance on you. When Jameis is under center for the start of the 2020 season, you’re going to have a heart attack, keel over and die. Can I attend your funeral. I just want to see what hate and misery looks like laying in a dreary casket.

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    #1241566
    harrybucman
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    And your tombstone is going to read “CONSUMED BY HATE”.

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    #1241587
    thestamos23
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    It seems stat wise Winston is closer to early career Peyton Manning than Favre. The first 5 years of his career he threw a high volume of ints and then it went down. Im not confident Winston follows that path, but you never know…

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    #1241597
    moose40
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    Comparing Winston to Favre is lazy, almost as lazy as comparing Winston to Culpepper.

    Culpepper’s first 6 years (his first year he had 1 game, so this is his first 5 years played)

    Culpepper 18,598 yards (1539 completions on 2391 attempts),  129tds, 74 ints

    Winston 18,743 yards (so far 1497 completions on 2434 attempts), 114 tds, 81 ints, and he still has a handful of games left

    Both have prolific WR cores (Carter and Moss, VJax and ME, and Godwin)

    Similar numbers.

    If Media is going to be lazy and compare Winston to a Hall of Famer like Favre, I’m going to be lazy and compare Winston to Culpepper, whose stats are eerily similar at this point in their careers.

     

     

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    #1241614
    Nobody
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    Why don’t we just compare the modern era NFL QBs (meaning the last 6 years after all of the rules changes where we’ve seen an absurd, league-wide spike in every passing efficiency and gross category) to the 1960s?

    Lets go all in on the complete and utter denial of Era-Based-Baselining.

    If we do that, we can say that every_single_QB in the league currently is many-times-over better than Johnny Unitas with his miserable 6.3 % Int rate, 50.3 % Completion Rate, 3099 Yards, and only 73.9 Passer Rating in his prime!

    The 60s aren’t the 80s.

    The 80s aren’t the late 90s/early 2000s.

    2004-2012 aren’t 2013-present.

    There have been multiple iterations of the NFL ruleset that has had an INTENDED AMPLIFYING EFFECT on the NFL passing game.

    The same thing is happening in the NBA (possessions are up like crazy, points are up like crazy, FT attempts are up…all of it).

    Modern fanbases want offenses (or at least league offices think they do)…so they’re getting it.

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    #1241617
    Northside
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    I get that you can’t compare eras and that this era creates more prolific yards passing but are we just going to pretend Jameis isn’t #2 in yards and TDs this season? This being a passing era doesn’t explain why he’s #2 in both of those categories and outproducing his competition.

    Fact is, compared to his contemporaries, he’s both highly productive and turns the ball over a ton.

    Focussing on the turnovers while minimizing the production is just cherry picking.

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    #1241623
    DonkeyHunter
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    Why don’t we just compare the modern era NFL QBs (meaning the last 6 years after all of the rules changes where we’ve seen an absurd, league-wide spike in every passing efficiency and gross category) to the 1960s?

    Because it would actually be logical, more accurate, and shoot a lot of arguments to hell.

    Ain’t nobody got time for that!

    (Good post @nobody)

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    #1241624
    kenntak
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    No at @Northside, because his interception percentage is way higher than average for 2019. In fact, here are Winston’s interception percentages for the last three seasons:

    2017    2.5%

    2018    3.7%

    2019     4.5%

    He has been getting worse. The average interception percentage this year, by the way, is only 2.3% Winston’s is almost double the average! This is a problem that must be fixed before the Bucs can be a playoff team.

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    #1241637
    Detrimental
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    In this day in age where the passing rules are EASIER and favorable for QB’s his INT rate is absurd. We better draft a qb within the first two rounds next year. I’m hoping we treat him like Alex Smith and we find our Mahomes this draft.

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    #1241642
    notabucsfan
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    damn the haters are mad mad that Winston keeps winning when his defense actually shows up hahaha

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    #1241643
    DonkeyHunter
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    damn the haters are mad mad that Winston keeps winning when his defense actually shows up hahaha

    Smh…

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    #1241651
    notabucsfan
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    @DonkeyHunter

    You can shake your head all you want but its facts. In wins defense gives up 24.8ppg and loses 33ppg (Against the Rams we gave up 40 points but Offense scored 55 points to win).

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    #1241657
    GottaJaboo
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    Winston has proven that his offensive output is enough to win games, when the defense plays even sort of good.

    This is not debatable. When the defense ranks in the top 20 we haven’t lost any games this season. Period.

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    GoldsonAges on 2nd round pick, Safety, Justin Evans, out of Texas A&M - "coaching can’t fix this".

    #1241659
    BucBalla85
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    So if we dont win and the D doesnt do its job and Winston turns the ball over who gets the blame then? One thing has been a constant all season long. Winston is turning the ball over. That is a fact that no Winston supporter can run from. Something that changed the D got better. Something that didnt change. Winston still turns the ball over. Another fact. Why do we have to settle for the turnovers and having to overcome them every game with the rest of the team playing well? Sometimes our franchise QB needs to overcome poor play by the rest of the team.

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    #1241660
    DonkeyHunter
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    You can shake your head all you want but its facts. In wins defense gives up 24.8ppg and loses 33ppg (Against the Rams we gave up 40 points but Offense scored 55 points to win).

    Yes.

    I’m glad our defense was able to stand stout after Winston and co. personally spotted the opposition a TD for the (5th time this season) and 2 more additional turnovers that led to a total of 17 points.

    By the way, what’s our franchise’s winning percentage when we have a -3 turnover margin?

    Damn defense…

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