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    • Boid Fink

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      I will jump onboard if anyone can tell me why he is good, and why there is an upside to his peaked physical talent?

    • BucsSavant

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      You need help bud. Move on.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Why add to the pile of Trask threads that have gone in depth about this already. Just curious.

      I’ll just leave this here…

    • Boid Fink

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      This is an alternative. Why should I like this pick? It is clear a vast majority so far seem to dislike the selection for a myriad of reasons.

      This is a question for us doubters to you guys who know football. Why should we like this pick?

      It would have gotten lost in the myriad of mostly negative reviews.

    • Boid Fink

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      No different than the Aguayo thread when I harped about it for a long while. This feels almost as bad because of the way this team is currently built. Is that such a bad thing to question, on a message board filled with…us? This makes the question universal, and fair. I’ve watched so much of this kid and I cannot for the life of me fathom…but why? Just reload the front lines first.

    • Jr.3

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      After watching some games of his on Youtube today I get a Drew Brees feel from him. Not in size but more arm strenght and how he reads the defense this last year and disrupted the ball to his play makers. I wasn’t a fan of this pick but the more I watch him the more I notice he’s stay comfortable in a pocket that is collapsing and still goes through his reads. Lets hope 1 or 2 years behind Brady does him a lot of good.

    • harrybucman

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      Can you tell me why anyone should give a rat’s ass what you think. I can guarantee you nobody at One Buc’s Place gives a damn.

    • BuccaNOLEer

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      This kid actually has some potential to develop into a quality starter (not necessarily a superstar). He’s got two years to sit and learn, and who better to learn from than the best there ever was?

    • Boid Fink

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      Atta boy! See how hard that was. So many doubters want some comfort regarding this particularly polarizing selection. Polarizing for various reasons. But existent and this pick will be talked about for years.

      After watching some games of his on Youtube today I get a Drew Brees feel from him. Not in size but more arm strenght and how he reads the defense this last year and disrupted the ball to his play makers. I wasn’t a fan of this pick but the more I watch him the more I notice he’s stay comfortable in a pocket that is collapsing and still goes through his reads. Lets hope 1 or 2 years behind Brady does him a lot of good.

    • Boid Fink

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      This is a message board genius. Figure it out. You get a possible 20 points for this assignment. Otherwise, Pennywise is a better poster than you, because at least he understands that is what drives a message board community you old muppet.

      Can you tell me why anyone should give a rat’s ass what you think. I can guarantee you nobody at One Buc’s Place gives a damn.

    • Boid Fink

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      This is not a comforting response to so many naysayers. Brady has never been known as a great tutor, and now he is old and trying to win rings, his focus is going to be in perfecting the offense for his immediate future, not worrying about Trask. He has been a QB for twenty years and he doesn’t have a long list of backups who sat behind him, and have gone on to huge success. If you mention San Fran, I’ll laugh. We know why they went to the Lombardi game.

      This kid actually has some potential to develop into a quality starter (not necessarily a superstar). He’s got two years to sit and learn, and who better to learn from than the best there ever was?

    • BucBalla85

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      There’s not much anyone can convince you of now. We will have to wait until he plays to see if the pick paid off in any way.

    • Boid Fink

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      The Brees comparison was interesting. But not valid because I see anticipation throws, but not like Brees. At all. But he does throw with the playbook in mind, much like Griffin does. So a good comp is he has done flashes of Griffin in him. But is that worth a second rounder who won’t play for years?

      There’s not much anyone can convince you of now. We will have to wait until he plays to see if the pick paid off in any way.

    • Boid Fink

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      Also, you must be in delusional smacktard if you think anyone at 1Buc reads and takes this crap seriously. Jesus.. take some hydroxychloriquine.

      Can you tell me why anyone should give a rat’s ass what you think. I can guarantee you nobody at One Buc’s Place gives a damn.

    • BeachBumBuc

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      Couple facts:

      Heard coach BA talking about coach Tom Moore, QB coach Clyde C and Lefty working on developing him. None mention Tom. Which means they expect his development to be guided by a guy who helped develop Manning.

      Basically, I have great confidence in this crew.

      Very few felt great about the Notre Dame QB that won a few Super Bowls when he was drafted.

      A lot of people felt great about David Carr and Jeff George

      Point is it’s about coaching and system fit and intelligence, immeasurable things too. Some guys see ghosts in a crowded pocket. Some guys make their reads Pre snap and can get the ball out on time and some can’t.

      I could go on. Arm strength isn’t all that matters. See Jeff George.

      Oh and Minnesota was trying to trade ahead of us for Trask by the way in Rd 2.

      Peace out

    • Barnz1

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      Devil’s advocate – Trask had a higher PFF passing grade than Trevor Lawrence and Trey Lance.

      Therefore Trask is better than the #1 and #3 pick and the Bucs are geniuses.

      Am I doing it right?

    • BucHarbour

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      Every year, people put way too much emphasis on physical traits and not enough in the brain power, being the ability to know where to go before and shortly after the snap. The most important traits for any QB are as follows: 1) enough arm strength to put the ball down the field at least 40 yards without too much effort, 2) the ability to fit the ball into tight windows at every level and all areas of the field, 3) the ability to accurately throw with anticipation, putting the ball where your receiver can get it and the defender can’t, 4) the ability to read defenses quickly both pre and post snap, and 5) the ability to stand in the pocket and deliver, which also includes the ability to slide around pressure.

      Having said all of that, despite his limited starts, Trask was able to demonstrate all of those traits. Same traits that Brady, Manning, Montana, and a host of other top tier pocket passers have had. The NFL has become so fixated on the mobile QB, but mobility has never been a need at the position, even now, unless your o-line sucks. Even then, making a QB scramble all the time when they are mobile doesn’t lead to wins in the passing game all that often.

      So why Trask? Because he sees where to go with the ball and is very accurate at getting it there on time with touch (why throw a bullet on a fade or an out?). He processes the game very quickly, and can make all the throws. He stands in the pocket and makes great throws under duress. He can hit all the throws the NFL requires of him. What’s not too like? Now he’s not perfect. He’s got a minor mechanical issue that pops up occasionally and can lead to a floater, but that’s rare enough and can be worked out of him, as it’s not one of those mechanical issues that’s impossible to fix. It’s why he gets the “weak arm” BS that some spout. The kid, in just his second season of starting, including High School, went out and tore up the SEC last year and set records despite a shortened season. He’s going to be a steal, and the Bucs staff recognize it.

      • buc-in-out

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        Very good analysis BucHarbour.

        I will admit, I was PISSED when I saw the pick come in on the ticker. I wanted the first few rounds to be able to see the field and contribute this season. I’ll admit that I was not a big fan of Trask, for whatever reason Florida QBs never pan out.. their offense is usually too gimmicky.

        On sunday I took the time and watched 2 condensed games: The SEC Championship vs. Bama, and the Florida Georgia game in 2020.

        From what I saw, Trask is very accurate, he throws a very catchable ball, he processes very quickly and goes thru his progressions well, he’s not mobile by any stretch but he does move well in the pocket and he’s not afraid to get popped, he throws with anticipation, and the Florida offense they ran with him was MUCH more pro-style then the Florida offense I’ve gotten used to seeing. The play calling was very innovative and I believe it’s because Trask was able to run a more pro style offense, because he’s able to process rather quickly. While he’s really not mobile, he’s built like a truck and he’s done a good job of converting on 3rd and 4th and short and sneaks.

        Plus you’ve also gotta love his story, instead of transferring he just put his head down and worked even harder and improved his game.

        He doesn’t have a cannon arm, but like BucsHarbour said, I think he can improve his ball velocity by fixing some mechanical issues, I don’t think he could have been put in a better situation. He can hold the clip board and soak up information and learn for a few years.

        Sure he’s not the flavor of the week, he’s not Mahomes or Josh Allen, what everyone seems to want at QB right now.. but I’ve changed my tune on the pick.

        Had we taken him in Round 1, I don’t think I ever would have… but getting him at the end of round 2, when 2 other QBs went right after… that was where he was going to go, around the 2-3 turn.

        To be quite honest, I don’t see a huge difference in Trask while comparing him to Mac Jones, who went middle of round 1. They’re actually quite similar prospects, but for whatever reason Mac Jones shot up everyone’s draft board…

    • BucsFan83

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      I think the real question is why dont you think he’s a good selection?

    • Alldaway 2.0

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      Only thing I can think of is cap savings…I guess.

      Build the trenches!

      • Natural Selection

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        The only cap savings for 2021 would be if they don’t resign Gabbert as a result of drafting a QB at 64.

        Trask’s rookie salary would be a little higher than Griffen’s contract. If it ends up Brady/Gabbert/Trask, we would have slightly increased our 2021 QB spending.

        It should have real cap value for several seasons beyond if Trask is able to earn the backup role.

      • Alldaway 2.0

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        Right but at that point Trask has to prove he is head and shoulders better than Griffin in year 1 and seriously challenge Gabbert for the #2 spot next off season.

        That is asking a lot out of a rookie QB with major issues with mechanics and lacking experience.

        Build the trenches!

    • Team Pteranodon

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      No point in convincing anybody about anything when it comes to QBs, outside of the fact that most of the time they don’t reach their draft potential, and that it’s still absolutely essential to draft them anyways. This was a pick middle of day 2 so maybe if you can be convinced to keep some perspective and understand it’s a low risk attempt at a gamble that every team has to make at some point. Just enjoy the ride.

    • Biggs3535

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      1. Big, smart, accurate QB that takes what the defense gives him.
      2. He isn’t just accurate, his ball placement is excellent – allowing his playmakers to get YAC. Look at Pitts’ and Toney’s highlight tapes and where the ball is placed for those guys, especially when they are covered fairly well. He was lucky to have a lot of playmakers at Florida. Does this Buccaneer team have any offensive playmakers he can take advantage of?
      3. Value. The difference between Mac Jones and Kyle Trask as prospects was very minimal. The difference in where they were drafted is pretty huge.
      4. The arm-strength thing is way overplayed. He doesn’t’ have a howitzer, but he can make 99% of the throws that need to be made in an NFL game. He isn’t Chad fuggin’ Pennington out there with a popgun arm.
      5. Moves well within the pocket and his pocket presence has improved with experience.

      The best thing for Trask and the team is he isn’t under any pressure. He has the advantage of not having to take a meaningful snap for a year or two. He may turn out to be nothing but a backup QB, but the selection was good value and made sense for a team with a 44 year old QB come August.

      • buc-in-out

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        Agreed Biggs, I don’t think Mac Jones was ever in the conversation at 3 overall. There is NOT a huge difference between Trask and Jones as prospects.. Both played the SEC, both had 2 first round pass catchers, but Jones had a rock solid run game and the perennial Bama defense. Jones might have a slighter bigger arm, but it’s negligible.

        Value wise, I’d much rather have Trask at 64 then Mac Jones at 15.

      • Natural Selection

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        Part of my issue with the pick is your closing thought. We hope he doesn’t take any meaningful snaps next year, but are we afraid of that? Isn’t part of the point to have a “quality backup” for Brady at a reasonable price? How long should we reasonably expect to wait before we can count on him to potentially take a series (or a couple games) in an emergency? If we’re still signing backup QBs on top of drafting one at 64 (upping the cost of 3rd QB beyond vet minimum), haven’t we obviously hurt the short term beyond not getting a rotational player or special team starter elsewhere at 64?

    • Natural Selection

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      I’m interested if people who like the QB pick (and/or Trask specifically) have any internal benchmarks for what “success” will look like.

      Does anyone expect Trask to take the backup QB role? BA talked about Gabbert still being a priority, but Bruce talks a lot. I would definitely say the staff loves Trask if they roll into camp with just him and Griffen, but I don’t expect that after hearing Bruce’s initial comments. Though I’m honestly not sure if that’s more a statement on Griffen. If they don’t really trust him to be backup. So I can at least wait for camp to play out before reading too much into those tea leaves.

      Can we agree it’s a really bad sign if Trask isn’t at least the 3rd QB out of camp? Obviously we’re all excited now to see him on the field, but preseason will be limited and he’ll probably be getting reps with camp bodies. My worst case scenario is this pick actually hindering the 2021 roster by chaining 4 QBs to it. If we take a 5th/6th round QB and he doesn’t beat Griffen, we cut the rookie. Probably get him back on our practice squad. Our 2nd round QB pick isn’t getting cut out of his first camp. So it seems our 2021 roster will eat him, even if it looks like he’s busting out.

      If he is at least a solid 3rd QB as a rookie (meaning we’re not having to keep 4), is it reasonable to expect him to win backup QB in 2022? As much as I disliked our draft, I’m staying focused on being pleasantly surprised more often in recent years. I don’t have strong opinions on Trask, but have to agree his selection seems appropriate value. The QB run just after really vindicates when/where Licht took him, imo. I disagree with the strategy completely, but it seems well executed. I’m kind of interested to see if Bruce/Jason and the rest of the FO team hit on QB. I’m just hoping they went for a prospect they really love instead of grabbing the best of what they saw to check a box in the “roster building manual”. Which are unfortunately more of the initial vibes I’m getting.

    • Biggs3535

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      We hope he doesn’t take any meaningful snaps next year, but are we afraid of that?

      I’m afraid of not having Tom Brady at QB, yes. I don’t care it’s Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Griffin, Mac Jones, Trevor Lawrence, Zac Wilson, Kyle Trask, Justin Fields, or Trey Lance, the odds of the Buccaneers winning a Superbowl drops significantly if Brady goes down.

      To address the rest of your point, I think Trask will be fine as the immediate backup. Again, just as good as those other guys I listed above. I don’t understand Arians still talking about Gabbert, unless they plan to have him in lieu of Griffin.

      • Natural Selection

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        Completely agree and phrased that sentence poorly (along with at least 75% of total sentences formulated). I don’t really care about backup QB and would rather use max resources anywhere else. Care about future QB even less.

        You answered my actual question anyway. We’ll see what happens with Gabbert now. Even if they resign him, and Trask + Griffen was leverage on a $ amount. As long as we’re not fumbling around with 4 QBs week 1, I’ll keep my shit relatively in check.

    • seekpar

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      A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. I don’t think anything can be said to make Boid Fink happy and content about the pick.

      Many of you have made compelling cases for Trask. I’ve only seen him play in highlights during the season, and clips of Kyle Pitts tearing up the opposition. I trust that Licht, BA, BL, and others did their homework to justify the pick. Brady won’t mentor him, but he will be able to watch the best to ever do it and learn from it.

      The Bucs just won the Super Bowl. They brought back all 22 starters, key backups, and special team skill players. They have a very good shot at repeating. This was a luxury draft. The Bucs have 1-2 years to coach and develop Trask. I’m good with the pick.

    • theknees

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      Minnesota was trying to trade in front of us for Mond. Who fell to them. Let’s not start this relationship with lies.

      • garfield

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        Minnesota was trying to trade in front of us for Mond. Who fell to them. Let’s not start this relationship with lies.

        Lol, Mond is trash and is inaccurate but I’m sure that’s who they were trying to trade up for. Trask had 43 TDS and 5 INTs with a near 70% completion percentage against the SEC and yes, the Oklahoma game was bad, but take out a generational TE talent and another top 20 pick at receiver, and three other receivers outside of that, and anyone will suffer.

        There is a reason Brady pushed the envelope this off-season with regards to Covid and no off-season and practiced in the park with his new receivers. Continuity with your receiving talent matters and Trask was throwing to a bunch of nobodies in that game. Look at what he did to Alabama and then get back to me.

      • buc-in-out

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        I think Mond makes more sense for what the Vikings seem to want to do, and that’s run the ball, run the ball more, and then run it even more then that. A QB like Mond in the Vikings system would be tasked with running an RPO and play-action based offense, similar to what the Ravens and Titans are doing.

        Mond makes no sense for BA and Lefty’s offense. They’ve always valued statuesque 6’5 pocket passers.

    • Charles

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      He reads defenses well and is very accurate.

      QB position is a toss up anyhow.

    • buc_boi

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      Jameis taught us all how much more important accuracy is over arm strength.

      Nothing can ever be worse than Jameis freaking Winston, man!

      • Alldaway 2.0

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        You don’t need to burn a 2nd round pick for that type of a QB when the Bucs have that with Griffin.

        At least Griffin has better footwork and better throwing motion. Only edge Trask has is a slighter stronger arm.

        Trask’s footwork is worse coming out of college than Josh Freeman of all people. The fact that I can’t see Trask being better than Simms, King, and Glennon says it all. Trask’s ceiling is very low.

        Build the trenches!

    • Detrimental

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      Well unlike Winston this dude is pretty accurate and doesnt throw many dumb picks. He gets to learn the system for a year or 2 and then run the show. I totally get it

      Once Brady hangs em up, Bucs dont want to be forced to draft a rookie QB while potentially wasting White Godwin Vea etc primes. At least Trask will somehow have some experience when he’s up and could work it well for us. If he cant handle it simple, draft another one and move on.

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