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    • TheChronicHotAir

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      The World HATES ftgJoe Biden.
      The Board Dems are still in 100% support of the Bum who SURRENEDED to the Talibums.

      Joe Biden is Trash.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Joe Biden is Trash.

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    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Everyone knows Joe Biden is a P.O.S. traitor.

      LoserftgJoe didn’t say anything critical of his Mideast Terrorists on 9/11 ’cause he wants to be kinder and gentler to the group(s) that want to destroy the U.S.

      Coward. PussyBiden.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Weak, frail Biden got booed all weekend- wherever he went.

      Everyone knows… Joe Biden is Trash.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Joe Biden is a walking BM.

      Failed President.

      1 term, cheater Joe

      Joe Biden goes down on the Talibiden

    • ISLAND BUCS

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      Wow:

      Not only did it seem the entire stadium was opposed to Biden,

      There was not even a small group who chanted in support of Biden.

      Just wow!

      Remain intimately at the heart of experience.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      And, yet, Sleepy Joe still smoked Trump in the election.

      What is the plan for Republicans in 2022 and 2024?

      Cave in to the low-IQ, long-winded dick bag and the QOP? Or actually get behind an intelligent conservative who can put this country back together?

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Joe Biden is Trash, and brushes his teeth with BM’s.

    • Anonymous

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      and the QOP?

      you didnt get the memo on Qanon being a liberal illusion

      get behind an intelligent conservative who can put this country back together?

      there are several I would vote for

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Joe Biden is a walking BM.

      Failed President.

      1 term, cheater Joe

      Joe Biden goes down on the Talibiden

      bump

    • Kermit56

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      and the QOP?

      you didnt get the memo on Qanon being a liberal illusion

      get behind an intelligent conservative who can put this country back together?

      there are several I would vote for

      Riiiiigggghhhttt!! I am feeling a little ill today, but you definitely made me chuckle stating there are a few conservatives for whom you would vote. Thanks.

    • Anonymous

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      and the QOP?

      you didnt get the memo on Qanon being a liberal illusion

      get behind an intelligent conservative who can put this country back together?

      there are several I would vote for

      Riiiiigggghhhttt!! I am feeling a little ill today, but you definitely made me chuckle stating there are a few conservatives for whom you would vote. Thanks.

      I’ve actually posted about it here, many times. As recently as two days ago

      Maybe your laughing because to you “conservative” means TRUMPER, but that’s not what the word means. That’s part of the problem

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      Riiiiigggghhhttt!!

      I accept your apology in advance.

      one example

    • Kermit56

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      Please, sir, tell me what conservative means.

    • Anonymous

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      Please, sir, tell me what conservative means.

      You have a funny way of apologizing :-)

      You love DeSantis. DeSantis is the furthest thing possible from a conservative

      any Trumper is not even close to being a conservative.

      Larry Hogan is a conservative. Mitt Romney is a conservative. Justin Amash I’d more a conservative then every Trumper. Liz Cheney is a conservative.

      Trumpers are zero established principle populists and white nationalists meaning you all have a … um… grievance based view of the world and that DOMINATES over any conservative political principle.

      An easy example would be race. Most of you are so white nationalist and so insecure about race as a result that you supported FEDERAL police and the use of federal troops on us soil.

      Small government conservatives would not support FEDERAL POLICE, policing is a state issue

      Just one of many examples. Your leader, Trump, is a self interested con man do he will break any norm or principle for power. And you all follow behind in lock step. DeSantis is INTENTIONALLY running on Trumpism, not conservativism lol

    • Anonymous

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      I believe that DH snd Fire and I support Amash

      He’s no socialist lol

      My most common reference points on this board are Never Trump GOP. I post Conway and Kristol and Lincoln Project

      Trumpers are authoritarian over anything. Alt-right Cousins to Bernie lol… the guy you all said would be toughest for Biden (because you all seem to think anyone left of you is a socialist lmao). Everyone … everyone . in the real GOP is left of you though

    • Biggs3535

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      Larry Hogan is a conservative. Mitt Romney is a conservative. Liz Cheney is a conservative.

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

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      Larry Hogan is a conservative. Mitt Romney is a conservative. Liz Cheney is a conservative.

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Always pricing me right

      See my earlier comment to Kermit about likely not seeing them as conservatives.

      When you’re way out on a white nationalist wing … everyone is a liberal lol. Principle gives way to idol worship.

      The Klan felt abolitionist were liberal

      Westboro Baptist think Southern Baptists are liberal

      Reagan appeased the people who would now claim he wasn’t a conservative

    • Biggs3535

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      An easy example would be race.

      From the Cove’s Reverend Al? Shocking.

    • Anonymous

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      An easy example would be race.

      From the Cove’s Reverend Al? Shocking.

      You say that because I like “dark skinned people” or because I blame white contractors, not the Hispanic worker?

      😂

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      The Whole World hates Joe Biden.

      Joe Biden has p. hairs from the taliban in his teeth.

    • jbear

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      a … um… grievance based view of the world and that DOMINATES over any conservative political principle.

      hilarious coming from the coves main purveyor of identity politics.

    • jbear

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      You say that because I like “dark skinned people” or because I blame white contractors, not the Hispanic worker?

      😂

      You are the most full of shit POS on the planet. What a douche. You’re entire world view revolves around identity politics, group distinction and race/sexual identity grievance.

      This was all just to make me laugh right? Just clowning yourself because you’re such a good sport?

    • jbear

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      I believe that DH snd Fire and I support Amash

      You support Amash? LOL he’s not running for anything retard. He’s completely out of politics and when he was in politics you absolutely did not support him. I actually contributed to his campaign because I was a Ron Paul junkie and Ron told me to do it so I did it after one of those money bombs back in 2012. And now, you suddenly support him? LOL you’re a troll dude.

    • jbear

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      https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1437502711835017229?s=20

      It’s the party controlling the White House that always forgets that elections have consequences. Americans don’t just elect a president. We elect Congress, governors, legislatures, mayors, councils. Powers are divided, not concentrated in one person. The president is not a king.

      So now Democrats suck right? LOL You support this right? Troll.

      Edit: I just realized you’ll pretend not to know that he’s talking about Biden’s ridiculous employer mask mandate. You agree with him right? Amash supporter!!!!! LOL made my morning. What a douche

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by jbear.
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    • Kermit56

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      Mitt Romney is a conservative.

      I didn’t need to read any more of your post. This one sentence says it all.

    • jbear

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      Larry Hogan is a conservative. Mitt Romney is a conservative. Liz Cheney is a conservative.

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I have a friend who just moved to Maryland two years ago from Florida with two school aged children…. the kids barely had any school last year. Now they’re moving to Texas. She said it was a nightmare, trapped in the house with the kids the whole year so some “conservative” can virtue signal all the limp wristed leftists to sleep. Some conservative.

    • jbear

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      LOL

    • FireLicht2020

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      Hey jbear, Amash has been clowning your point of view all year… you never responded to any of those. Should I dig them up?

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      The Whole World hates Old Senile LoserftgBiden.

      May the “F Joe Biden” chants continue to reign from above!

      Joe Biden SURRENDERED to the 15th century taliban & and armed them!
      Joe Biden is Trash.

    • jbear

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      Hey jbear, Amash has been clowning your point of view all year… you never responded to any of those. Should I dig them up?

      You and ding dong make a lot of completely false claims about my POV so I’m not surprised that you think thats what happened.

      I’ve been very clear about my POV but apparently it’s all just white noise to you two. I’m not a Trumper and never have been. Yes you want to hold my vote for him against me you’re entitled but it only goes so far. Almost everything Amash has ever said I’ve agreed with to some extent, certainly regarding Trump which I’ve said before… again white noise. I completely understand why he left the party. It was Ron Paul who convinced me the best way to change things was to work within the party which is what he did when he came back to the Republican tent after being a libertarian candidate for President. At this point I’m on the fence as to how things will change but I’m not important enough to make a difference. I’ll keep watching whats going on and decide where my votes go based on the current truth.

      Right now both parties are completely broken.

      Too much white noise for you I’m sure.

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      a lot of completely false claims about my POV

      The freaking irony. The guy who fights phantoms …

    • FireLicht2020

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      Almost everything Amash has ever said I’ve agreed with to some extent

      You sure you wanna stick with this? Last chance to tap dance away…

    • Anonymous

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      I’m not a Trumper and never have been. Yes you want to hold my vote for him against me you’re entitled but it only goes so far.

      ROFLMAO

      You post Hunter Biden, agree with Trump on every issue or race and on civil war monuments, you buy his Antifa bullshit, you supported his federal goon squad, you defend his white supremacy buddies, you supported the tax cut, you’re against masks …

      Not only are you a Trumper, you’re a gold star Trumper

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      Almost everything Amash has ever said I’ve agreed with to some extent

      You sure you wanna stick with this? Last chance to tap dance away…

      Already tap dancing (lying)..”to some extent”

    • FireLicht2020

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      Just waiting on the word so I can go to Amash’s Twitter and show jbear all the things he “agrees with”.

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      Just waiting on the word so I can go to Amash’s Twitter and show jbear all the things he “agrees with”.

      Lmao



      @Jbear

    • FireLicht2020

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      He responded in the other thread but not to my challenge.

      Must be too busy.

    • jbear

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      a lot of completely false claims about my POV

      The freaking irony. The guy who fights phantoms …

      If by phantoms you mean you. then sure. Almost everything I’ve ever said on these boards is a direct reaction to something dumb/insulting/wrong one of you two ding dongs has said.

      Thinking the radical left is wrong, bad, evil or cold blooded does not make me a Trumper. You both get really mad when I call attention to your unbelievable single minded dedication to blaming everything wrong with the world on the Orange guy or sometimes just Republicans in general. You behave as if this is something new and that only one side of the ledger is doing anything ugly. You also imply all sorts of radical motives like racism and white supremacy to everything most especially when it seems to help the cause. To someone who believes that both parties are mostly terrible that just irks.

      Now it’s true that I lean hard conservative and that my brand of libertarianism is not always in line with all factions within the Libertarian party, that does not make me all the things you two keep implying that I must be. The reason it seems to you that I’m supporting Trump so steadfastly is because I see how unhinged the left is. Yes Trump sucked, as have all the President’s in my lifetime. What irks me most is that you don’t even see the same bad that I do it just seems that it’s all about advancing your solution to the bad guys which in all honesty is likely even worse to my POV.

      As far as I’m concerned, the only thing that will ever change anything is when people finally really get sick of both parties. But I’ll always be on the side of smaller government and less taxes which puts me more at odds with the current version of the Democrats than with the Republicans even though I admit that it’s only in degrees of bad. Then you get into all this identity politics stuff and thats sooooo horribly against everything I believe even down to spirituality. So yeah, I hate everyone who is a socialist, progressive or caters to them… AKA Joe Biden.

      But Trump sucks…. How many times do I have to say it?

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      He responded in the other thread but not to my challenge.

      The Trumper Way

      Which is weird because JavaBearIskand ain’t a Trumper. He just voted for him and supported all his policies

    • jbear

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      And just to wrap this all up and add a little personal accountability…. something Alice never does.

      I’d like to add that I will not be voting for Donald Trump again no matter how bad the leftist running against him is. But I also, hesitantly hope the Donald runs again.

      But not for the reason you think I would want him to. But I think if he tries again to take over the Republican party it may not survive. Could it be the spark to real change? But my fears of a true socialist government make that hope seem a lot more risky so I hesitate to actually wish for it.

      My hope is that someday, people will understand the truth that individual liberty for all people is the only way. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of thought’s and opinions. It’s the only way and one day soon if the pace of communication advancements continues, people will finally realize it. We do not give a government the authority to deny our own thoughts no matter how much they run against the grain of popular opinion so long as we don’t hurt others.

      And no that doesn’t go all the way to someone theoretically getting a virus if you don’t take a government mandated syrum… which I’ve taken happily by the way. Government doesn’t need to use force on it’s people except in extreme circumstances revolving mostly around violence.

    • jbear

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      Almost everything Amash has ever said I’ve agreed with to some extent

      You sure you wanna stick with this? Last chance to tap dance away…

      ME? Are you effing kidding me? Jesus Christ!

      I posted links to several Amash tweets. And this after numbnuts says that you DH and he support Amash.

      You guys are both so full of shit. I especially loved the pinned tweet.

      To a partisan the nonpartisan is partisan. I am 100% sure based on everything both of you two dingbats has said about everything for the last several yeas that neither of you understands anything that this guy is talking about except the bad orange man stuff. It’s painfully…. very severely painfully obvious.

      You have no idea what this guy is talking about…. none. Those tweets I posted are all since Biden has been President. He’s speaking out AGAINST the beloved vaccine mandate. He’s speaking out about you two directly that you view the nonpartisan as partisan. All because the nonpartisan calls your love of authoritarianism out. You don’t get it.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      And this after numbnuts says that you DH and he support Amash.

      I am.

    • jbear

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      Again you don’t understand anything.

      I completely agree with him. I never read the bill and I never said I was for it. I found it difficult to believe that the TX law actually allowed for reporting people for money. But read closely what he actually says…

      “Laws alone can’t build a pro life culture”. I agree with him. As if it was straight from Ron Paul’s mouth. And the last sentence is gold. That is why the law is bad…. because it endangers civil liberties as people like me understand them.

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      Wow…. why do I like this guy again? because he’s right.

      Fire, if you support Amash do some reading and stop saying stupid shit.

    • jbear

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      This seems to be a problem for you and Alice. Especially considering that this is pretty much a fundamental view of his. lol

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      I’m posting this one again because I know you have no idea what it means.

      Think hard Fire… do you recall a debate where you and Alice attacked Representative democracy because I do. I also recall several threads about voter suppression where the exact same thing was brought up. This is a recurring theme on the cove. I also remember Alice figuring out that it was a losing battle and bowing out before you did which is why I’m sure you don’t understand this tweet.

      Yeah I’m a jerk.

    • jbear

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      September 9th…. what could he be talking about?

    • jbear

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      September 9th again…. weird.

      “If you care about representative government”

      You care about representative government? weird.

    • jbear

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      David Hogg… he’s on one of you two ding dongs twitter feed. lol

      “from time immemorial.”

      I know this is like greek to you two but that’s a hand to the face, “take a seat kid” if I’ve ever seen one.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Did you not read any of his tweets from 2020 election to about 2 months ago?

      Let’s start with him supporting impeachment and condemning Jan 6th?

      Then let’s move to something more recent like this:

    • FireLicht2020

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      Or this:

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      This one is the real gem (sounds pretty familiar to what I said):

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      Again on Afghanistan

    • FireLicht2020

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      I’m sure you just “missed” these tweets, right?

    • jbear

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      I visited the home Ludwig von Mises was born this summer when I was in Lviv, Ukraine. It’s just a plaque on the side of a building and I fucking walked almost a mile to see it. Yeah, Justin Amash is on my twitter feed for a reason ding nuts.

      Yeah, when you cross a line you deserve an earful. You support Justin Amash? lol I welcome you truly I do. Stop saying ridiculous shit.

    • FireLicht2020

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      You’ll have to explain how this Ukraine point counters anything I posted above

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      Health care authoritarianism…. weird.

    • jbear

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      Did you not read any of his tweets from 2020 election to about 2 months ago?

      Let’s start with him supporting impeachment and condemning Jan 6th?

      Then let’s move to something more recent like this:

      I told you both back then that I did not agree with Amash that the President should be impeached over his actions. That said, everything that Amash said was either true or I just disagreed on nuance.

      Even you must be able to remember that I always said Trump should be Censured. I was against how political the whole thing was.

    • jbear

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      This one is the real gem (sounds pretty familiar to what I said):

      Fire… with all due respect… phantoms. I’m really not posting on multiple accounts. Right away I said that I was glad Biden pulled out the troops. Just read back whatever you want to read back. If I said anything slightly different it was only in inflection or nuance. Joe screwed up the withdrawal but he was right to pull out. Heck the last drone strike that was initially applauded as killing some ISIS K planner actually killed an innocent guy and a bunch of his kids. Fucked.

    • jbear

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      I’m sure you just “missed” these tweets, right?

      To your question… no.

      Phantoms. I mocked Joe Biden because I dislike him. Most of the posts I made about the Afghanistan withdrawal were in an Alice thread that was trying to shift blame to everyone else… especially the bad guys. Don’t mistake all criticism for pro Trump propaganda. Alice plays these games all the time where everything negative about the progressive agenda is really just because of something Trump or Republicans did.

      “To a partisan the nonpartisan is partisan”

      Think on that one again.

    • jbear

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      You’ll have to explain how this Ukraine point counters anything I posted above

      I just saw his respect for the same great minds that I respect and wanted to point it out.

      Look Fire, I really do welcome you. Start with his entire twitter feed and then work on his reading list which I shouldn’t tell you is very similar to Ron Paul’s reading list. I won’t ask you to read Ron Paul because no way are you ready to accept that. But work through the Amash stuff and the books he recommends and then maybe you’ll be ready.

      Forget all the negativity… if you’re serious I welcome you with open arms.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Ron Paul? Respect him

      Rand Paul? Buttplug

      Justin Amash? Would vote for in a heartbeat

      Many of the core tenants of Libertarianism are similar to liberalism.

      Where the differ are the Democrats latched themselves to liberalism like a tumor, and since they have zero interest in actual liberalism, the term liberal is drug through the mud.

      Even Amash quotes LIBERALISM in his posts above.

      War on Drugs, Patriot Act, Roe V Wade (abortions).

      Liberalism opposes:
      Illegal drug mandates
      Abortion mandates
      Illegal search and seizure

      But to be fair, both sides pick and choose where government should be big/small.

      Where you go all nutzo is you think true liberalism and libertarianism are diametrically opposed philosophies when they aren’t…

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      ROFLMAO

      You post Hunter Biden, agree with Trump on every issue or race and on civil war monuments, you buy his Antifa bullshit, you supported his federal goon squad, you defend his white supremacy buddies, you supported the tax cut, you’re against masks …

      Not only are you a Trumper, you’re a gold star Trumper

      That’s an outright lie and I’m sure that you know it. I’ve been against a lot of Trump comments and actions I just don’t play them up to a wet dream like you and Fire do. Every time that guy said anything you’d go completely bonkers and imply all sorts of ridiculous shit. I’ve never supported White supremacists again you know this because it’s always been about free speech. If you’re actually saying that defending free speech now makes you a racist you’re playing right into all the crap I sling at you and you deny. This is exactly what I’m always fucking talking about you POS. You used to be able to have a conversation about free speech without being called a racist by anyone who wasn’t a complete moron. Now we either have a lot more morons or a lot of disingenuous fake conservitives…. weird right.

      You’re just a liar. You know I do not support a good squad and I’ve posted directly about that many many times because you keep repeating the same lie and I keep responding to it. Everything I’ve ever said about the civil war has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. NOTHING. I’m responding always to complete nonsense from one of you two twits. Hell, the last time we talked about the civil war it was because Fire compared ROBERT E. LEE to HITLER!!!! HITLER!!!

      Fuck you bro.

    • jbear

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      Where you go all nutzo is you think true liberalism and libertarianism are diametrically opposed philosophies when they aren’t…

      I just look at the politics as they are today. What’s being done, what’s being said on both sides. Those textbook definitions hardly mean anything when it comes to what’s actually happening.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Yet I keep hearing about this textbook “conservative” definition when, in the past 30 years, all we’ve had are neocons and alt-right maga to choose from.

        Hell, the libertarians are even slipping into one of those two categories… IE Rand Paul isn’t a neocon but he has latched himself to maga alt-right (just an example)

    • jbear

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      Yet I keep hearing about this textbook “conservative” definition when, in the past 30 years, all we’ve had are neocons and alt-right maga to choose from.

      Hell, the libertarians are even slipping into one of those two categories… IE Rand Paul isn’t a neocon but he has latched himself to maga alt-right (just an example)

      I agree neither party is living by the principles they preach. But you do have a few like that pussy Rand Paul who talk about it and do things like propose a balanced budget every year that might get 10 votes. Being against progressives and socialists does not make me a MAGA. Voting for him that one time, because I feared the other side even more…. You can say what you want but as I’ve said it only goes so far. People often vote for the lesser of two evils, even you two perfect enlightened progressives have surely done it… oh wait, Joe Biden right?

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      So you’re sticking to the whole “Joe Biden is a socialist but Donald Trump isn’t a fascist” thing still?

      Despite the mountain of evidence?

      And lol at Rand Paul. He’s a Trump shill for 99.8% of his “platform”.

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      F Joe Biden, clapclap, clapclapclap, F Joe Biden, clapclap, clapclapclap….

    • Biggs3535

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      Donald Trump isn’t a fascist

      If Trump was a fascist, he was worst fascist in the history of fascism.

      But it’s a fun word to use, so you guys use it quite…liberally.

    • FireLicht2020

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      he was worst fascist in the history of fascism

      I think you’re onto something

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      he was worst fascist in the history of fascism

      I think you’re onto something

      Trump is the textbook fascist.

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      he was worst fascist in the history of fascism

      I think you’re onto something

      Trump is the textbook fascist.

      Today’s headline

      “ Donald Trump wrote to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger asking him to ‘decertify’ the 2020 election”

    • FireLicht2020

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      It’s an odd way to think of life…

      Intent vs outcome

      My intent was to rape but my outcome was mace to the face… so I’m not a rapist.

      Just because Hitler was a more successful fascist than Trump doesn’t make their tactics different.

      So in the sense of failure… one term, failed coup… sure he might be one of the worst.

      In terms of intent, he’s one of the most blatant in the western world EVER.

      And he’s still got a huge base, his Sycophants, his state run media, the cult behavior, the disinformation, and the rhetoric.

      But because he lost the election, which is hard to do as an incumbent, and because he didn’t know his phone calls were recorded, and because he had rats on his team, and because Jan 6th intimidation didn’t work… we say all those failures do NOT make him a fascist?

      No it certain does… we just has a system in place that helped prevent it, and some decent folks that stood their ground.

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      It’s an odd way to think of life…

      Intent vs outcome

      It’s a dishonest way. That’s why it comes across as odd

    • jbear

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      So you’re sticking to the whole “Joe Biden is a socialist but Donald Trump isn’t a fascist” thing still?

      Despite the mountain of evidence?

      And lol at Rand Paul. He’s a Trump shill for 99.8% of his “platform”.

      I never said Joe Biden is a Socialist. I said he panders to the Socialists which ought to be pretty obvious by now.

      And calling Trump a fascist while still having never once acknowledged that anti fascism is actually a form of fascism, rings a bit hollow to people with brains in their heads.

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      And calling Trump a fascist while still having never once acknowledged that anti fascism is actually a form of fascism, rings a bit hollow to people with brains in their heads.

      You’re saying it does NOT ring hollow for you then?

      Lol

      JavaBear – by always bringing up as straw man to deflect you’re admitting the claim. So here, rather then address Trumps obvious and undeniable fascism – just today he tried AGAIN to overturn the election – you avoid addressing it by basically saying “yeah but Antifa.”

      You’re like a broken schoolyard child presumably trapped in an adults body. If you hit Jimmy at recess it’s wrong and it doesn’t matter that Bobby once hit Jill

      It’s all the more absurd because even your deflection is bogus, but man… maybe there’s a 10 step program or something

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      I never said Joe Biden is a Socialist. I said he panders to the Socialists

      JBear these two sentences – absent a correction from you – make you the biggest pussy on the board.

      I say that because you didn’t say he panders to them, you and others have suggested he’s under the control of them, right?

      Here comes the massive, long wonder confirmation that I am right

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      I did not agree with Amash that the President should be impeached over his actions. That said, everything that Amash said was either true or I just disagreed on nuance.

      Such a non-Trumper

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      he was worst fascist in the history of fascism

      I think you’re onto something

      You’re right, I am. It’s almost like he wasn’t a fascist at all.

      But you people dug yourself into that hole and ran with it, facts be damned.

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      he was worst fascist in the history of fascism

      I think you’re onto something

      You’re right, I am. It’s almost like he wasn’t a fascist at all.

      But you people dug yourself into that hole and ran with it, facts be damned.

      Imagine typing that ^^ on the same day as this

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      Just again … for giggles

      “ : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”

      And you doors saying Trumpism is not fascism also SUPPORT the Texas Taliban law AND you supported federal “unmarked” police forces in Oregon and other places where there were protests

      In another thread, some of you WHO SUPPORTED THE TRUMP TAX CUT… are decrying the child tax credit

      Riflmao

      The truth hurts enough to clone yourselves I guess

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      Lol. Clown not clone. Let’s hope none of you are cloned

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      if you voted for loser ftg Joe Biden, then you’re a GOOBER, to say the least…

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      They’re doing it again!!

      F Joe Biden clap clap, clapclapclap!

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      he was worst fascist in the history of fascism

      I think you’re onto something

      You’re right, I am. It’s almost like he wasn’t a fascist at all.

      But you people dug yourself into that hole and ran with it, facts be damned.

      Imagine typing that ^^ on the same day as this

      Oh shit, he sent a letter? I stand corrected. He’s Hitler reincarnate.

      Dipshits.

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      Somebody else can explain why the letter (referencing an old “report”) was posted on Twitter yesterday lol

      Crayons might help

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      So again nothing has changed.

      Those that claim to not be Trumpers fervently defend him, stretching the limits of definitions, excuses, and facts.

      There will be an excuse for everything

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      Loser ftg Joe Biden eats his own b. movements!

      Then he covers his eyes with cucumber slices and makes a poo mask for regeneration…

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      JavaBear – by always bringing up as straw man to deflect you’re admitting the claim. So here, rather then address Trumps obvious and undeniable fascism – just today he tried AGAIN to overturn the election – you avoid addressing it by basically saying “yeah but Antifa.”

      You’re like a broken schoolyard child presumably trapped in an adults body. If you hit Jimmy at recess it’s wrong and it doesn’t matter that Bobby once hit Jill

      It’s all the more absurd because even your deflection is bogus, but man… maybe there’s a 10 step program or something

      LOL…. I’ve said this many times in different ways and you’ve ignored me every time…. It’s getting boring.

      The term Fascist, exists in a historical context which you apply liberally against those you disagree with while refusing to do so when “it’s for a good cause”. That fact is not irrelevant, it’s central to calling to attention your blatant partisanship.

      I reject your use of the term “Fascist” to describe Trump because I understand how you’re applying the term is completely partisan and done for political reasons. You use it to slander while supporting left wing policies and groups that could easily also be called Fascist. Knowing your world view and your lack of shame, I choose not to play your game.

      But people use the term often. During the Vietnam war it was common for anti war protesters to call Johnson and Nixon “Fascist”. And I don’t necessarily think they were out of line. They were making a point. Maybe a modern American President is always a Fascist if you’re looking at things a certain way. Executive orders to push a controversial political agenda outside of the regular legislative process… Ordering Drone strikes that kill civilians because politically you need a win, yeah that just happened.

      Heck, any President who orders troops into war without constitutional authority and to spread democracy around the world could likely qualify. A President who embraces the symbolism of standing with hand on heart for the national anthem might be considered a Fascist to some.

      If I was having a conversation with a Libertarian who wanted to say Trump is a fascist and they made reasonable arguments, I’d probably agree with them. But I’m not…. I’m having a conversation with a progressive, left wing apologist who might be the most shameless and partisan poster I’ve ever seen in my life of posting on message boards.

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      Bear these two sentences – absent a correction from you – make you the biggest pussy on the board.

      I say that because you didn’t say he panders to them, you and others have suggested he’s under the control of them, right?

      Here comes the massive, long wonder confirmation that I am right

      That’s really the funny thing about the English language isn’t it? Any language. Words have meanings and degrees… nuance. One man’s “controlled by” is another man’s “pandering”. I probably did say controlled by in a few posts. Big deal.

      You seem to have a huge blind spot to your partisan nature. This reminds me of some of your Trump criticisms over the last four years. Trump says something dumb and you take the written word and translate it to the most vile and nasty possible interpretation and then have a hissy fit when someone else points out that the comment was either technically true or that he intended it in a completely different way than you interpreted. The people on both sides comments come to mind that you still to this day use to “prove” that Trump is a racist and therefore a Fascist…..

      And here we are again.

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      @JBear with the Coveiest of Cove responses

      You posted this

      One man’s “controlled by” is another man’s “pandering”. I probably did say controlled by in a few posts. Big deal.

      And then went on to post about me lmao

      No …”controlled by” and “pander to” do NOT mean the sane thing 😂

      Yes .. you have absolutely (falsely) claimed Biden was controlled by socialists 😂

      Yes … it’s not a big deal. It just more proof of the dishonest lunacy of the Cove Trumpers

      (Yes… you are a Trumper)

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      This should a sticky on all of these threads because it’s such a great example of intellectual dishonesty

      That’s really the funny thing about the English language isn’t it? Any language. Words have meanings and degrees… nuance. One man’s “controlled by” is another man’s “pandering”. I probably did say controlled by in a few posts. Big deal.

      One mans controlled by is another mans pandering … lol

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      @JBear with the Coveiest of Cove responses

      You posted this

      One man’s “controlled by” is another man’s “pandering”. I probably did say controlled by in a few posts. Big deal.

      And then went on to post about me lmao

      No …”controlled by” and “pander to” do NOT mean the sane thing 😂

      Yes .. you have absolutely (falsely) claimed Biden was controlled by socialists 😂

      Yes … it’s not a big deal. It just more proof of the dishonest lunacy of the Cove Trumpers

      (Yes… you are a Trumper)

      You really suck at this.

      The arguments you use to claim Trump is a Fascist are all refutable. Again, if you were actually trying to converse and not just spew your progressive and partisan bile onto every discussion, then we might be able to communicate. As you are, it’s not possible…..

      but here we go anyway

      Trump supports White supremacy. This is where your circular logic begins and ends and begins again. And because you actually believe it, I would, if you were a normal person, try to give you a bit of a break but as you’re not a normal person, you don’t deserve it. In your mind, Trump isn’t just an old white guy who says accidentally racist shit and holds a few outdated beliefs…. no that would clearly not be a problem as Joe’s racist comments are swept under the rug.

      You seem to actually believe…. with no real evidence, that Trump is actively working towards white supremacy. That he supports the idea of white power, and that is the basis of the whole Fascism charge. White nationalism? You do believe it I’m sure. And why not, you believe all sorts of ridiculous identity politics nonsense. You’ve said so much dumb shit over the years.

      Black Republicans are uninformed, dumb or just not understanding that the white man is tricking them into not voting in their best interests. Or as in the case of Tim Scott, he’s just pretending to have the views he does because it’s made him a lot of money and pretending to be white has gotten him a lot of power. lol So sad.

      Intelligent women can’t be anti abortion…. unless they’re just scared of their violent male partner.

      Excuses, bullshit, lies.

      And here I am defending the Orange man again. Great.

      You’re a deranged lunatic. So far down the rabbit hole you actually believe you’re objective.

      Trump may be a Fascist, hell he probably is but not for the reasons you believe or to the degree. Watching you morons run around with your hair on fire is good for a few laughs but it’s starting to get a little stale.

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      One mans controlled by is another mans pandering … lol

      So this is the hill you want to die on? lol The difference between pandering and being controlled by?

      Great point Alice. This has gotten really boring.

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      One mans controlled by is another mans pandering … lol

      So this is the hill you want to die on? lol The difference between pandering and being controlled by?

      Great point Alice. This has gotten really boring.

      It’s one of several hills you’ve died on

      Way to own it, Coffee.

      Andy is proud.

      Buggsy wants to lick your feet

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      You seem to actually believe

      Bwahaha

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      If Trump isn’t a fascist, I’d hope you can at least admit that he is using fascist tactics to get what he wants…

      That’s the best I can do in terms of compromise…

      You mock college, but I studied this stuff in great length.

      It’s funny how you mock fascism but loosely use socialism… like, as loosely as you possibly can… calling Joe effing Biden, who you’re bitching about drone striking… now is both a socialist and what… a neocon Warhawks?

      You, like many Americans, have no freaking clue about these diametrically opposed ideologies. Or maybe you do and you’re being daft?

      It’s hard to take you seriously about left/right wing ideology much in the same way it is hard to take Biggs seriously when he doesn’t read his articles and quotes VAERS.

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      If Trump isn’t a fascist, I’d hope you can at least admit that he is using fascist tactics to get what he wants…

      All depends what you mean by this. Can you give some examples? Not being awkward, it’s the word fascist gets bandied around so much it’s a bit tough to actually pin down hyperbolic rhetoric to real critcism.

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      There is a great set of articles from Vox making the argument that Trump is NOT a fascist

      One reason they are interesting is because the author asks 4 or 5 experts in 2015 and then again in 2020. They all say no, but in the sense that he hasn’t crackdown on society etc, like a Mussolini for example. It’s sort of their opinion that he’s a fascist with a little “f”

      But, the most interesting part is the the 2020 versus 2015 aspect. Would be really interesting to have a 2021 update lol

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      If Trump isn’t a fascist, I’d hope you can at least admit that he is using fascist tactics to get what he wants…

      All depends what you mean by this. Can you give some examples? Not being awkward, it’s the word fascist gets bandied around so much it’s a bit tough to actually pin down hyperbolic rhetoric to real critcism.

      The easiest one is authoritarian versus democratic, but sure here’s the definition

      “ political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. “

      Trumpism is a nationalist movement and a white nationalist movement at that (social regimentation). Trumps entire mo is “us versus them”

      As I mention above about the vox article “forcible” has been limited mostly to the race protests but absolutely ANTI DEMOCRATIC social regimentation that exults nation and race

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      But, the most interesting part is the the 2020 versus 2015 aspect. Would be really interesting to have a 2021 update lol

      True. Those dudes would have to factor in that Trump recently sent a letter, as reported by Mr. Cronkite himself, which everyone knows is how fascists get shit done.

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      But, the most interesting part is the the 2020 versus 2015 aspect. Would be really interesting to have a 2021 update lol

      True. Those dudes would have to factor in that Trump recently sent a letter, as reported by Mr. Cronkite himself, which everyone knows is how fascists get shit done.

      Mussolini

      “ the Fascists were initially an urban phenomenon, motivated primarily by nationalism. They desired revenge against the Socialists”

      Weird, huh.

      They believed in “internal enemies” (like today’s “elites”)

      Buggsy you are precisely the type of brain dead rube needed to destroy US democracy from within

      😁

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      None of you Trumpers want to accept the label because you’re figuratively connected to the Local thugs Mussolini relied upon

      You are all white and by definition almost, nationalists (MAGA). Most of you want current US society to play by your rules (eg abortion, law and order, welfare state) and you’re willing to even accept violence and anti-democratic government action (wall, immigration, Texas abortion law) including most significantly suppression of voting in order to
      “Maintain order”

      They desire to have the country play by your rules is rooted in the belief that it’s all unfairly slipping away at the hands of “internal enemies” snd socialists

      That is textbook fascism

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      Think of school board meetings today on masks

      “ Fascist violence was initially used to break the Socialist hold on local administration and labor organizations. Fascists interrupted meetings, beat elected officials, and made impossible the work of local government”

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      “F Joe Biden, clap clap, clapclapclap!!!”

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        That Wyoming video was like 100 people chanting it… which represents about 30% of the population of… whatever the fuck city UofWyoming is in

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      @spartan – a core tenant of fascism is “us vs them”. Blaming minorities.

      Nationalism or “America first” would be the next point.

      Making media the enemy would be the next

      Disinformation campaign and ubiquitous lying

      Attempting a coup (I know you don’t see it this way but I do).

      Those would be the starting point…

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      Attempting a coup (I know you don’t see it this way but I do).

      It’s still ongoing. The Big Lie, the AZ audit, the PA audit, the letter to the GA Sec of State, the GOP voter laws in many states, which includes the party taking over the vote

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      The Big Lie : “Loserftg Biden got 80 million legitimate votes”

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        Case and point 👆

        And how many other mouth breathing morons still think that 80m people didn’t vote against 4 more years or Donald dominating every conversation and news cycle?

        Nobody voted for Biden… we voted to get the wannabe Mussolini/Hitler to go the fuck away… but his cult still follows him wherever he goes. Watching him give the same tired talking points…

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      Cult : saying nothing when your hero totally botches the U.S. withdrawal (surrender) from Afghanistan.
      And his shitty handling of the southern border.

      2 people on this Board have failed to blame Sundowner for anything…

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      If Trump isn’t a fascist, I’d hope you can at least admit that he is using fascist tactics to get what he wants…

      That’s the best I can do in terms of compromise…

      ROFL!!!! that’s a compromise? You mean you’re admitting that Antifa uses fascist tactics to create a socialist new world order? Is that the compromise? I’m trying to read between the lines because you don’t offer a compromise. You’re just offering softer language for me to agree to while offering nothing. My whole point is that I don’t call him a Fascist because I know how you and ding dong mean it only to score a political victory. Oh yeah Trump is a facsist but we good guys are the saviors of the world.

      Go ahead and offer a real compromise Fire. I’ll judge fairly when you do.

      You mock college, but I studied this stuff in great length.

      I do not mock college, I mock the fake crap people like you get beamed into their heads in college. I mean what are you even saying? In what course did you learn that only conservatives can be fascists? Where did you learn to pick and choose which elements of a term that exists to describe a historical political reality and which to discard when applying it, coincidentally to your political enemy? Answer me that Fire….

      Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that “trying to define ‘fascism’ is like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

      It’s wikipedia… how come any idiot can prove how deranged you and alice’s absolutes are with a quick google search and reading 1/10th of the wikipedia article on Fascim? Please explain Fire.

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      None of you Trumpers want to accept the label because you’re figuratively connected to the Local thugs Mussolini relied upon

      You are all white and by definition almost, nationalists (MAGA). Most of you want current US society to play by your rules (eg abortion, law and order, welfare state) and you’re willing to even accept violence and anti-democratic government action (wall, immigration, Texas abortion law) including most significantly suppression of voting in order to
      “Maintain order”

      They desire to have the country play by your rules is rooted in the belief that it’s all unfairly slipping away at the hands of “internal enemies” snd socialists

      That is textbook fascism

      LOL!!!!

      Totally objective. Look ding dong…. This is what I object to. This is Fascism.

      Dehumanizing your political opponent, basing the disdain in large part on race, claiming your opponent is violent and therefor you are entitled to silence by all means necessary…. Fascism.

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      None of you Trumpers want to accept the label because you’re figuratively connected to the Local thugs Mussolini relied upon

      You are all white and by definition almost, nationalists (MAGA). Most of you want current US society to play by your rules (eg abortion, law and order, welfare state) and you’re willing to even accept violence and anti-democratic government action (wall, immigration, Texas abortion law) including most significantly suppression of voting in order to
      “Maintain order”

      They desire to have the country play by your rules is rooted in the belief that it’s all unfairly slipping away at the hands of “internal enemies” snd socialists

      That is textbook fascism

      LOL!!!!

      Totally objective. Look ding dong…. This is what I object to. This is Fascism.

      Dehumanizing your political opponent, basing the disdain in large part on race, claiming your opponent is violent and therefor you are entitled to silence by all means necessary…. Fascism.

      The “I am not the fascist, you’re the fascist” defense. Lmao.

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      In @JBear’s world, posting a coup memo drafted by a Trump lawyer .., is “dehumanizing” and fascist

      Forget that the actual memo outlines an actual fascist plan … discussing it is a risky fascism

      Everything is “free speech” apparently. Spearing s Capitol police officer is free speech so saying it was wrong to spear the cop is the actual fascist act

      😂😂😁

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      a core tenant of fascism is “us vs them”. Blaming minorities.

      Nationalism or “America first” would be the next point.

      By this logic Democrats as the purveyors of identity politics are the greatest fascists.

      Making media the enemy would be the next

      Don’t agree here, take over the media, get them on your side, yes. Blame. No.

      Disinformation campaign and ubiquitous lying

      That’s every politician ever.

      Attempting a coup (I know you don’t see it this way but I do).

      I really don’t think he attempted a coup. Sore loser, couldn’t accept defeat, egomaniac, all yest, but 4 guys in an office doesn’t a coup make.

      I know you won’t agree here, but if there is a party closer to fascism or at least authoritarianism it’s the Democrat party. They are willing to force through programs and ignore law and procedure to do so. They blame everything on the “right wing conspiracy” which they find under every rock and stone. They have the media echo chamber to pass on their propaganda. Trump may have been an ass but this kind of thinking is institutionalized within the Democratic Party.

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      @jbear – you’re even off on antifa. They aren’t fascist or socialist. They are anarchists.

      So let me flip this around since fascism is “jelly”. Who, historically speaking, would you label a fascist?



      @spartan
      – so the Dems are both the socialists AND the fascists..?

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      so the Dems are both the socialists AND the fascists..?

      For some reason, you continue to struggle to recognize how close these things are. I’ve posted this before and it didn’t do much good, but here goes:

      Big Government is Big Government.

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      They are willing to force through programs and ignore law and procedure to do so

      Imagine being a Trumper and posting that

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      so the Dems are both the socialists AND the fascists..?

      For some reason, you continue to struggle to recognize how close these things are. I’ve posted this before and it didn’t do much good, but here goes:

      Big Government is Big Government.

      Two questions

      1) you’re not going to try to read that, are you?

      2) what does that say about Trump-loving “libertarians?”

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      @jbear – you’re even off on antifa. They aren’t fascist or socialist. They are anarchists.

      You’ve said that before. A very convenient lie…. or misunderstanding. For every Antifa member who actually is an anarchist there are two socialists, three unshaven feminists and ten nerdy dudes who are just there for the feminists and don’t give a shit about politics.

      Ok even if that’s just me putting some of my assumptions out there, you’re dead wrong. I do think you know what an anarchist is but I am confused as to why you think Antifa members would be almost all anarchists… other than that it’s convenient. As if you’re trying to say that they are in no way on your side… but they are on your side of many many issues.

      https://www.csis.org/blogs/examining-extremism/examining-extremism-antifa

      More broadly, Antifa is a decentralized movement of individuals whose ideological roots lie in various left-wing causes, such as communism, anarchism, and socialism. However, Antifa supporters do not necessarily share all aspects of these ideological inspirations. For example, though they may find common cause in opposing law enforcement or government action, Antifa adherents and anarchists often differ in their perceptions of state power. While anarchists are staunchly anti-statist, Antifa activists may support extensive reform of government institutions rather than their abolition.

      So stop saying that.

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      For every Antifa member who actually is an anarchist there are two socialists, three unshaven feminists and ten nerdy dudes who are just there for the feminists and don’t give a shit about politics.

      This cracked me up. Nice work…

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        You’re welcome.

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      For some reason, you continue to struggle to recognize how close these things are. I’ve posted this before and it didn’t do much good, but here goes:

      I’ve never once disagreed with that graphic.

      That graphic shows that communism and fascism have authoritarianism in common…

      Nobody here is refuting that.

      So what is your point exactly?

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      For some reason, you continue to struggle to recognize how close these things are. I’ve posted this before and it didn’t do much good, but here goes:

      I’ve never once disagreed with that graphic.

      That graphic shows that communism and fascism have authoritarianism in common…

      Nobody here is refuting that.

      So what is your point exactly?

      That there is very little difference between Socialism and Fascism, even in theory. That line is further blurred when they are actually implemented. They are both Big Government solutions, and have ended in damn near identical fashions when they’ve been tried in other countries. For the citizens, there was very little difference between Castro’s Cuba/Chavez’s Venezuela and Hitler’s Germany/Mussolini’s Italy. You can throw Stalin, Lenin, and Mao in there wherever you want. Again, it doesn’t matter. The ends have all been the same.

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      When you day socialism, you mean communism.

      And no they don’t all end the same. Europe vs Cambodia as extreme examples.

      Germany vs Trump… fascism and fascism-lite.

      But yes, power hungry people that leverage two diametrically opposed ideologies can in fact end in the exact same authoritarianism state but by different means.

      Nobody has refuted that

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      That there is very little difference between Socialism and Fascism, even in theory

      lol

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      Forget the circle. Good grief

      The simple and UNDENIABLE nature of governance is that the more that power is concentrated the MORE RISK to the people, starting OF COURSE with minorities.

      They are both Big Government solutions, and have ended in damn near identical fashions when they’ve been tried in other countries. For the citizens, there was very little difference between Castro’s Cuba/Chavez’s Venezuela and Hitler’s Germany/Mussolini’s Italy. You can throw Stalin, Lenin, and Mao in there wherever you want.

      These are not BIG GOVERNMENT, they are CONCENTRATED power – Castro’s Cuba/Chavez’s Venezuela and Hitler’s Germany/Mussolini’s Italy. The keeper of that power was an INDIVIDUAL who built a structure around HIM to maintain that power. Hitler described Nazism as socialisms to APPEAL to the masses who were resisting COMMUNISIM. This si EXACTLY the parallel to Trump banging the drum that “socialisms” and “elites” are taking over America

      When you have that situation you get 6 million Jews exterminated, 2.5 million killed by the Khmer Rouge etc. CONCENTRATED POWER in any form is the risk. Its why the Founding Fathers aid (incorrectly) that citizens would be protected BY THE VOTE. The Vote has been eroded (INTENTIONALLY) by increasingly concentrated power (two parties) and the elevation of the Presidency (a GOP view since NIXON because the views are minority views). That is the reason we stand today with MILLIONS in the middle disenchanted by US government while the extremes (Progressives versus Trumpers) fight each other over the top.

      That A TRUMPER would decry Castro, Chavez, Hitler, Mussolini . . is so freaking absurd its hard to even comprehend

      The entire premise of the United States, as reflected in the Constitution, is DECENTRALIZED power (eg rule of law over rule over Castro). Its specifically the decades long EROSION of that principle by self-serving elected officials (eg gerrymandering, Citizens United etc) that actually now has a group of people, Trumpers, embracing fascism (Trump’s ‘cult of personality) OVER THE RULE OF LAW.

      There ARE TOO MANY EXAMPLES to even discuss, but hell the border wall is an easy one. two impeachments BOTH FOCUSED on an INDIVIDUAL BREAKING THE LAW TO STAY IN POWER, now an insurrection and and OBVIOUS attempt to unravel a vote, voter suppression etc. These are all moves to CONCENTRATE power, so much so that one of two parties has essentially splintered

      Man, we (the United States) will be undone from within. Putin is sadly CORRECRT.

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      FASCISM — a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime” — TRUMPISM

      2. “that exalts nation and often race above the individual” — MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AMERICA FIRST

      3. “a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader” – THE WALL, etc

      4. “economic and social regimentation — “LOOTING STARTS SHOTTING STARTS.”

      5. “forcible suppression of opposition” — GEORGE FLOYD PROTESTS, POST-2020 VOTER SUPPRESSION

      This is all the FURTHER CONCENTRATION OF POWER AROUND AN EVEN SMALLER MINORITY

      Trumpers deny this because they are part of the “even smaller minority” BUT IT SIMPLY CANNOT BE DENIED THAT TRUMPISM IS A FURTHER CONCEBTRATION OF POWER

      that would be like denying that the sun rises in the east

    • FireLicht2020

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      It is correct to say that communism/fascism are not linear.

      But they are still completely different ideologies.

      Otherwise, you (biggs) shouldn’t get offended if I were to call Trump a communist… after all, they are the same…

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      I saw a “F Joe Biden” chant break out in a catholic church.

      it was amazing!!!

      Does Joe Biden still eat trash??

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      How about a “F Joe Biden” chant in a kindergarden classroom.

      That would be awesome!

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      Imagine that we could be in a world today where the LITMUS test for support of one political party is LITERALLY .. . fealty to Donald Trump.

      Where a major party in the United States didn’t even generate a platform and instead encircled ONE PERSON . DONALD TRUMP . . who is now going after those IN HIS OWN PARTY who resisted him . . and a person from that very “Party of Trump” typed this as representative of BAD:

      “Castro’s Cuba/Chavez’s Venezuela and Hitler’s Germany/Mussolini’s Italy”

      Seriously . . . wtf?

      we are watching America crumble from within

    • Biggs3535

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      When you day socialism, you mean communism.

      If you like, sure. I was responding to your comment on socialism.

      Again, the difference in application is slim to none.

      And no they don’t all end the same. Europe vs Cambodia as extreme examples.

      Please explain.

      Otherwise, you (biggs) shouldn’t get offended if I were to call Trump a communist… after all, they are the same…

      You may as well, as it’s equally laughable to calling Trump a fascist.

    • Biggs3535

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      These are not BIG GOVERNMENT, they are CONCENTRATED power

      This is why you have to talk to yourself for hours on end, and are only worthy of mockery.

    • jbear

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      That A TRUMPER would decry Castro, Chavez, Hitler, Mussolini . . is so freaking absurd its hard to even comprehend

      Yeah, everyone who disagrees with you is a Trumper and you’re a conservative. Everyone is stooopid, Hunters Laptop never existed and the fact it isn’t on facebook is proof positive. Must be nice living in a dream world.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Socialism and communism are different. Economic system vs government. Yes the lined get muddied between the two like anything, we use terms to help wrap our head around it… Castro wasn’t even the same as Gueverra. Hitler wasn’t the same as Mussolini or Hirohito.

      Re: Europe vs Cambodia. I’m not sure why you need me to explain this. Cambodia is the most extreme version of Communism. Second to none, even NK. Mass genocide. Europe is largely socialism-lite and it varies from country to country. Pick a country and you can differentiate how socializing a sector (like health care) has been a success, higher tax rates, etc… from England to Hungary they are vastly different.

      Again, this outlines the difference between socialism and communism. There is no authoritarianism in socialism because it is an economic engine. The means of production.

      If you look at China, they are this wonky hybrid of communism censorship collectivism… but they are economically speaking pretty close to capitalism (I’m using that fairly loosely here). I lived there. Outside of the censorship and the culture of collectivism, it’s just another capitalism ECONOMY.

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      These are not BIG GOVERNMENT, they are CONCENTRATED power

      This is why you have to talk to yourself for hours on end, and are only worthy of mockery.

      “your” dumber than a turnip

    • Anonymous

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      Hunters Laptop never existed

      LOL

      When you’ve fallen back to “never existed”

    • Anonymous

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      wonky hybrid of communism censorship collectivism… but they are economically speaking pretty close to capitalism (I’m using that fairly loosely here). I lived there. Outside of the censorship and the culture of collectivism, it’s just another capitalism ECONOMY.

      this is actually the battle taking place in the world today, are western democracies truly better than hybrid communism, as you call it

      China is never Chynna without Capitalism. Its not the political model, ITS THE MONEY

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      A “F Joe Biden” chant in a public library would be epic.

      Shhhhhhhhhhhh.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Thank God Joe Biden’s poll numbers are DROPPING like a rock!!

      If you read PropagandaVirgil & PropagandaFire’s posts, you’d think LoserftgJoe has been doing a great job.

      Joe Biden is Trash.

      Horrible, horrible prezid3nt, person.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Wasn’t funny the first 30 times you said it… still isn’t.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Joe Biden is a Horrible Prezid3nt.

      FAILED PRESIDENCY

      Clueless at every turn.

      • FireLicht2020

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        So clueless than diaper Don lost to him

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Low Energy joe biden took the day off…

      …so he could zzzZZZZZzzzzzzzzzsleepyjoe

      • FireLicht2020

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        Every day is a day off for loser45

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      “F Low Energy Joe”

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      “F Joe Biden, clap clap, clapclapclap!!!”

      repeat 6x

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      It’s The Weekend– which means… more “F Joe Biden” chants!!!

      So far, NFL crowds have steered clear of this beautiful springing up of intellectualism– probably because they have their head so far up the Trash(D)Party’s woke ass!

      Joe’s dumb supporters are BAILING on him
      — because his whole team is Trash.

      Joe lies.

      “F Joe Biden”

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Some good, new #FJB’s this weekend!!

      Joe Biden is Trash

      Joe’s “supporters” are BAILING on his sorry, lying ass.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      “Let’s go, Brandon!”

      LOL

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