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    • BucBalla85

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      One thing that worries me is how this league has really protected the offensive players. Our defense is built in being physical and hard hitting. I remember we barely touched Bree’s last year and would get called for roughing. How does Lovie adapt his defense to where they can be physical but not to the point where it costs them yards and free first downs?

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    • Anonymous

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      Look at Seattle and how they are doing it.  They are pretty suffocating yet have fewer penalties than most.  Defense will make a come back, it’s just going to take a little time for DC’s to crack the code in this finesse era of football.

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    • Anonymous

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      I have faith in Lovie. I just don’t know if the league will let us out physical the opponent. Such as the New Orleans Saints.

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    • jamesh

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      The use of descriptions like”flag football” just shows how over-reactive a lot of fans are to a few rule changes that barely have any affect on the overall game. Most players and teams adapted just fine last year. Also, players and coaches now have another offseason to look at some of the missteps from last year and will continue to adapt. Those who don’t adapt will find themselves out of a job. On our team, Goldson is a prime example of that sort of a player. He will have to adapt and will have to be a player whose contributions are more than just an occasional big hit. The Bucs will be just fine. There will be questionable calls like there are every single game and there will be a few that get the fans riled up, but overall it will all be okay and we will all enjoy watching the season just as much as we did the year before and the year before and the year before…

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    • Anonymous

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      The use of descriptions like"flag football" just shows how over-reactive a lot of fans are to a few rule changes that barely have any affect on the overall game. Most players and teams adapted just fine last year. Also, players and coaches now have another offseason to look at some of the missteps from last year and will continue to adapt. Those who don't adapt will find themselves out of a job. On our team, Goldson is a prime example of that sort of a player. He will have to adapt and will have to be a player whose contributions are more than just an occasional big hit. The Bucs will be just fine. There will be questionable calls like there are every single game and there will be a few that get the fans riled up, but overall it will all be okay and we will all enjoy watching the season just as much as we did the year before and the year before and the year before...

      Agreed except for "barely have any affect on the overall game". The run game is being heavily devalued and the pass game going nowhere but up.

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    • Anonymous

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      The use of descriptions like"flag football" just shows how over-reactive a lot of fans are to a few rule changes that barely have any affect on the overall game. Most players and teams adapted just fine last year. Also, players and coaches now have another offseason to look at some of the missteps from last year and will continue to adapt. Those who don't adapt will find themselves out of a job. On our team, Goldson is a prime example of that sort of a player. He will have to adapt and will have to be a player whose contributions are more than just an occasional big hit. The Bucs will be just fine. There will be questionable calls like there are every single game and there will be a few that get the fans riled up, but overall it will all be okay and we will all enjoy watching the season just as much as we did the year before and the year before and the year before...

      Agreed except for "barely have any affect on the overall game". The run game is being heavily devalued and the pass game going nowhere but up.

      The Patriots and Colts/Broncos have devalued the running game for 15 years now.

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    • Anonymous

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      Barely affected the game?!  How about our safety getting suspended for a perfectly good hit against Atlanta when the receiver ducked his head!  This is fundamentally changing the way the game is played!  If the receiver is trying to make a catch and you hit him and try to knock the ball out of his hands even after he has touched it you get unsportsmanlike conduct.  I’m not talking flagrants but perfectly acceptable hits on the quarterback now can turn a game around against you while cheap blocks on defenders occur without anyone having a problem with it.  The game has been affected a deep level.   

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    • Anonymous

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      The use of descriptions like"flag football" just shows how over-reactive a lot of fans are to a few rule changes that barely have any affect on the overall game. Most players and teams adapted just fine last year. Also, players and coaches now have another offseason to look at some of the missteps from last year and will continue to adapt. Those who don't adapt will find themselves out of a job. On our team, Goldson is a prime example of that sort of a player. He will have to adapt and will have to be a player whose contributions are more than just an occasional big hit. The Bucs will be just fine. There will be questionable calls like there are every single game and there will be a few that get the fans riled up, but overall it will all be okay and we will all enjoy watching the season just as much as we did the year before and the year before and the year before...

      Agreed except for "barely have any affect on the overall game". The run game is being heavily devalued and the pass game going nowhere but up.

      The Patriots and Colts/Broncos have devalued the running game for 15 years now.

      Teams with HoF QBs stick with the pass? Gee George, how'd you figure that out?

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    • jamesh

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      The use of descriptions like"flag football" just shows how over-reactive a lot of fans are to a few rule changes that barely have any affect on the overall game. Most players and teams adapted just fine last year. Also, players and coaches now have another offseason to look at some of the missteps from last year and will continue to adapt. Those who don't adapt will find themselves out of a job. On our team, Goldson is a prime example of that sort of a player. He will have to adapt and will have to be a player whose contributions are more than just an occasional big hit. The Bucs will be just fine. There will be questionable calls like there are every single game and there will be a few that get the fans riled up, but overall it will all be okay and we will all enjoy watching the season just as much as we did the year before and the year before and the year before...

      Agreed except for "barely have any affect on the overall game". The run game is being heavily devalued and the pass game going nowhere but up.

      Was more speaking to what the OP brought up about the Brees hit from week two and the influence of penalties being called. Sure, the Clayborn/Brees penalty hurt...but there were plenty of other plays in that game that led to a Saints victory and a Bucs loss. I mean, the Bucs didn't score a single offense point in the final 51:57 of the game. That had way more to do with their loss than a single play/hit on Brees.Also, yes, you probably could attribute some of the passing growth to how things are being called by the refs. How much though? I think that fresh offensive minds and spread-type systems have had a major influence in that trend. Even though there has been this surge of passing offense,  there are still teams pound the ball on the ground and have had  a lot of success in the past 2-3 years. Seattle, SF, Baltimore, Philly, etc.Rushing attempts aren't as down as one might think. 4 teams last year had over 500 rush attempts and 3 of them were playoff teams. You go back 10 seasons to 2003 and there were only 5 teams that eclipsed the 500 mark.

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    • jamesh

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      Barely affected the game?!  How about our safety getting suspended for a perfectly good hit against Atlanta when the receiver ducked his head!  This is fundamentally changing the way the game is played!  If the receiver is trying to make a catch and you hit him and try to knock the ball out of his hands even after he has touched it you get unsportsmanlike conduct.  I'm not talking flagrants but perfectly acceptable hits on the quarterback now can turn a game around against you while cheap blocks on defenders occur without anyone having a problem with it.  The game has been affected a deep level. 

      Yes, when looking at the totality of the game,, barely affected. Our safety got suspended not because of one questionable call, but because there has been a long continous pattern of personal foul/unnecessary roughness penalties going back several years to his days in SF. The only thing that has been affected at a deep level, are the drama queen fans who will always find something or someone to complain about.

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    • Anonymous

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      The use of descriptions like"flag football" just shows how over-reactive a lot of fans are to a few rule changes that barely have any affect on the overall game. Most players and teams adapted just fine last year. Also, players and coaches now have another offseason to look at some of the missteps from last year and will continue to adapt. Those who don't adapt will find themselves out of a job. On our team, Goldson is a prime example of that sort of a player. He will have to adapt and will have to be a player whose contributions are more than just an occasional big hit. The Bucs will be just fine. There will be questionable calls like there are every single game and there will be a few that get the fans riled up, but overall it will all be okay and we will all enjoy watching the season just as much as we did the year before and the year before and the year before...

      Agreed except for "barely have any affect on the overall game". The run game is being heavily devalued and the pass game going nowhere but up.

      The Patriots and Colts/Broncos have devalued the running game for 15 years now.

      Teams with HoF QBs stick with the pass? Gee George, how'd you figure that out?

      IN the case of the Pats it's their system whether Brady is there or not (see Matt Cassell).  They run and version of the run and shoot.  I think the running game will make a comeback as it's been proven with Marshawn Lynch, that you can ground and pound with average QB play and win the SB.

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    • Anonymous

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      “Yes, when looking at the totality of the game,, barely affected. Our safety got suspended not because of one questionable call, but because there has been a long continous pattern of personal foul/unnecessary roughness penalties going back several years to his days in SF. The only thing that has been affected at a deep level, are the drama queen fans who will always find something or someone to complain about.”Some of those calls against Gholdston were legitimate in 2013 but some of the hits were legitimate as well.  Always find it interesting when people feel the need to throw names against someone who simply has a different point of view.  I don't mind some of their attempts to avoid injury, but you can't take away a defender hitting someone who has caught the ball and trying to knock the ball out.  We aren't talking about targeting hits to the head.  We are talking legitimate hard hits.   

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    • jamesh

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      "Yes, when looking at the totality of the game,, barely affected. Our safety got suspended not because of one questionable call, but because there has been a long continous pattern of personal foul/unnecessary roughness penalties going back several years to his days in SF. The only thing that has been affected at a deep level, are the drama queen fans who will always find something or someone to complain about."Some of those calls against Gholdston were legitimate in 2013 but some of the hits were legitimate as well.  Always find it interesting when people feel the need to throw names against someone who simply has a different point of view.  I don't mind some of their attempts to avoid injury, but you can't take away a defender hitting someone who has caught the ball and trying to knock the ball out.  We aren't talking about targeting hits to the head.  We are talking legitimate hard hits. 

      1. Who is Gholdston?2. Who called you a name?3. Most of the calls against Goldson were legit penalties.4. Goldson actually has a history of personal foul penalties before and after the whistle. I believe with him, it goes beyond just making hard hits. Dude seems like a guy who wants to hurt people. The best safeties in the league play the ball, not receiver after he catches the ball.

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    • Anonymous

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      Flags?? Who needs flags, when they’re already wearing tutu’s?

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