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InactiveJan. 22, 2019 at 5:45 pmPost count: 4188Can you imagine how long the games will be if they implement another challenge? Specifically PI Calls? Leave it alone, NFL.
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A challenge there wouldn’t have added much time to the game, because after about 0.5 seconds “under the hood”, the official would have corrected the awful call.
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InactiveJan. 22, 2019 at 6:58 pmPost count: 4188
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It wouldn’t be that one call though. Did you see how many times the DB’s were mugging receivers before that, or the 2 or 3 facemasks they missed? It would open up a whole can of worms. Saints are crying, but they got a lot of favorable missed calls before that one.
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A tweet from Steve Wyche:<
For the question/concern about PI penalties being reviewable, even if so, it would not have applied in Rams-Saints game because no penalty was called. It would be very tough to see any change that would allow a non-call to be changed to a penalty upon review.Please wait… -
They could’ve called helmet to helmet…the ncaa does this and the games are fine.
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The Canadian Football League implemented coaches challenges for PI situations in 2014. Key words in its use are: It must be “Clear and Obvious”. And there still would be only 2/3 timeouts per team. I would limit the length of time for a review as well; if they can’t see enough to reverse a call within a set time, it stands…
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It was a horrible call. But there is no way to implement a penalty challenge rule without totally effing up the game. Its because the refs don’t call the ticky tack calls. No one wants them to. But if you challenge a penalty non-call then the refs would have to reverse and call a penalty on even the slightest ticky tack penalty. This would give the coaches carte blanche to challenge a call to see if maybe the defense laid a finger on the offense when they weren’t supposed to. The refs would have to make the penalty call after further review. That would suck.
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From NFL rules as of 2016:
Article 3. REVIEWS BY REFEREE. All Replay Reviews will be conducted by the Referee on a field-level monitor after consultation with the covering official(s). During the review, the Referee will consult with designated members of the Officiating department at the League office. A decision will be reversed only when the Referee has clear and obvious visual evidence available to him that warrants the change.
Each review will be a maximum of 60 seconds in length, timed from when the Referee begins his review of the replay at the field-level monitor.
All reviewable aspects of the play may be examined and are subject to reversal, even if not identified in a coach’s challenge or if not the specific reason for a Replay Official’s request for review.
NOTE the verbage “clear and obvious visual evidence” in the 1st paragraph, and “Each review will be a maximum of 60 seconds” in the 2nd paragraph. Those, plus a limit of 2 challenges, whose failure docks the team a timeout, will prevent any significant lengthening of the game. If a team gets 2 challenged calls reversed, they are then granted an additional challenge, but that is very rare.
Personally, it seems to me some replays exceed 1 minute, so maybe it’s been lengthened?
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InactiveJan. 23, 2019 at 4:55 amPost count: 4188
They could’ve called helmet to helmet…the ncaa does this and the games are fine.
College games on average are longer than NFL games.
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Leave the number of challenges as is. Allow every play to be challenged/reviewed. Add 1 new ref that watched the game like fans on TV and can “throw a flag” on any play.
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I’m there with Morgan on this one, no review on PI. There is a human element to the game, major errors like turnovers/scoring plays being reviewed from the booth should do just fine. I do however believe that the officiating needs to be held accountable, so that there is pressure to get the calls right.
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I think the NFL has more than a ruleset problem and an accountability problem (and it certainly has both of those).
It also has a recruitment and hiring problem.
This ruleset is ridiculously complex and requires of its officials to be able to perceive spatial relationships and physical interactions at extreme speeds and make immediate, correct adjudications.
You know who is good at that? Young, extremely adept video game players of a certain ilk. They should be selecting for those traits when they recruit.
That doesn’t seem to be the current refereeing base in the NFL!
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InactiveJan. 23, 2019 at 10:31 amPost count: 4188
Leave the number of challenges as is. Allow every play to be challenged/reviewed. Add 1 new ref that watched the game like fans on TV and can “throw a flag” on any play.
Well stated. Or maybe have that special overseer in playoff SB games only?
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I think the NFL has more than a ruleset problem and an accountability problem (and it certainly has both of those).
It also has a recruitment and hiring problem.
This ruleset is ridiculously complex and requires of its officials to be able to perceive spatial relationships and physical interactions at extreme speeds and make immediate, correct adjudications.
You know who is good at that? Young, extremely adept video game players of a certain ilk. They should be selecting for those traits when they recruit.
That doesn’t seem to be the current refereeing base in the NFL!
Good point.
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Yes, games are too long, but need to be properly officiated. What I would do is eliminate the 2-minute warning stoppage of play. I have no idea when or why that was implemented…
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Yes, games are too long, but need to be properly officiated. What I would do is eliminate the 2-minute warning stoppage of play. I have no idea when or why that was implemented…
Commercials are more important than properly officiated games!
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I don’t think it is the games/penalties/reviews/challenges themselves are making them 3+ hours…
It’s the freakin’ commercials / tv timeouts that feel like they’re going on every other minute.
Drives me bananas.
/end old man rant.
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The commercials are the major reason for games being so long. I watched some old games from the 70’s and the games were less than 2.5 hours. Very refreshing to watch games with less commercials. The commercials are so distracting and long, that I have gotten to a point where I watch the games hours after they are over, and watch the 40 minute version from the NFL that has no commercials.
That being said, I agree with Morgan. Not only will this slow the game down, but it allows the ref to analyze these penalties in slow motion and at various angles. Sometimes these things are hard to catch at full speed, and I don’t think I want to see more penalties. It is bad enough now, with too many questionable penalties called. I would leave it as is knowing that every so often, you will have a situation like what happened in the Saints game. That’s football.
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InactiveJan. 23, 2019 at 2:36 pmPost count: 4188
I don’t think it is the games/penalties/reviews/challenges themselves are making them 3+ hours…
It’s the freakin’ commercials / tv timeouts that feel like they’re going on every other minute.
Drives me bananas.
/end old man rant.
Sitting in a hot sun blistering stadium during commercial breaks is even worse. Teams try to entertain, but after a season or two, you’ve seen it all. Cheerleaders aren’t bad though when they take the field.
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InactiveJan. 23, 2019 at 2:40 pmPost count: 4188
The commercials are the major reason for games being so long. I watched some old games from the 70’s and the games were less than 2.5 hours. Very refreshing to watch games with less commercials. The commercials are so distracting and long, that I have gotten to a point where I watch the games hours after they are over, and watch the 40 minute version from the NFL that has no commercials.
That being said, I agree with Morgan. Not only will this slow the game down, but it allows the ref to analyze these penalties in slow motion and at various angles. Sometimes these things are hard to catch at full speed, and I don’t think I want to see more penalties. It is bad enough now, with too many questionable penalties called. I would leave it as is knowing that every so often, you will have a situation like what happened in the Saints game. That’s football.
I DVR the late night games, even Bucs games sometimes to avoid commercials. Player salaries dictate that they have commercials. Necessary evil. Higher ticket prices as well.
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Condensed versions of games with relevant replay shenanigans are well inside of an hour.
Its the ridiculous amount of logistical breaks and the commercials.
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InactiveJan. 23, 2019 at 5:54 pmPost count: 4188
DP’s take:
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The interference was missed but the saints loss because they could score tds. 2/5 in the red zone while being 1/3 in there first 3 drives. Score 3 tds and the nfc championship game is a snooze fest. The saints allowed the rams to hang around and got killed in the end by a bad call. And the fact the Lord breesus threw that ugly pick instead of taking a sack. The saints squandered opportunities and lady luck chose to b on the rams side. Simple bad calls are apart of the game.
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The ref told Robey-Coleman it was not a PI because the ball was partially tipped at the line.
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@htownbucfan03, that’s the same way I see it. You don’t drive into the red zone early in the game when you are dominating and come away only with 6 points against the Rams.
Wow RudeGuy, now that would really change things if the ball were tipped.
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Why didn’t the head of the NFL officials come out and say the ref didn’t call PI because he perceived the ball as being tipped by a defensive lineman? This would have helped with a lot of the confusion as to why PI was not called.
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InactiveJan. 24, 2019 at 10:51 amPost count: 4188
Dungy on non-call…..suck it up and deal with it.
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InactiveJan. 24, 2019 at 10:57 amPost count: 4188
Wow RudeGuy, now that would really change things if the ball were tipped.
There were other penalties on the same play —defenseless player hit and helmet to helmet…..those could/should have been called regardless of tip or no tip…..heard this a.m. that Robey-Coleman will likely be fined for the defenseless/helmet to helmet.
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They could’ve called helmet to helmet…the ncaa does this and the games are fine.
Bingo. The NFL should treats hits on defenseless receivers like the NCAA CFB treats targeting. Reviewable regardless of if a call is made on the field or not. That non call was not just a missing PI call, it was also a personal foul.
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Wow RudeGuy, now that would really change things if the ball were tipped.
There were other penalties on the same play —defenseless player hit and helmet to helmet…..those could/should have been called regardless of tip or no tip…..heard this a.m. that Robey-Coleman will likely be fined for the defenseless/helmet to helmet.
I’m sure he will be more than happy to pay the fine as long as the flag was not thrown.
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I would have been pulling for Brees to beat Brady, but thanks to the refs, I’m going with the Patriots now…
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InactiveJan. 26, 2019 at 5:57 amPost count: 4188
I would have been pulling for Brees to beat Brady, but thanks to the refs, I’m going with the Patriots now…
No rooting interest here – just want to see the most competitive non-controversial game. Wouldn’t it be ironic if there’s another “non-call” or other ref-involved problem w/ the Super Bowl. I can imagine the network cameras focused on Goddell in his booth if it happens.
But while you root for Tom Brady because the Rams benefited from a non-call, ask yourself……
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