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    • Anonymous

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      “Mike can be great! He’s a sponge.  Never saw him without his playbook.  All he thinks about is getting better.”Sounds like a player you want to bet against.  Weird.

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      Glennon is ma boi. Some people do it with god given talent, some do it by out preparing the other guy. The Peyton Mannings do it with both and are truly special. We’ll see where Glennon falls on that spectrum over the next few years.

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      "Mike can be great! He's a sponge.  Never saw him without his playbook.  All he thinks about is getting better."Sounds like a player you want to bet against.  Weird.

      Thomas Edison or NiKola Tesla were both smart too but I wouldn't want them on my football team. It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics.

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    • brycen54

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        “It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton’s foot steps on the off field work ethics.”Seriously? He should be successful first and then start studying? That is some moronic nonsense right there.

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    • Anonymous

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      He’s shown he has the basic talent to play in the league (See last year’s Seattle game). Hard work will only improve him in his second year in the league.

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      He's shown he has the basic talent to play in the league (See last year's Seattle game). Hard work will only improve him in his second year in the league.

      Maybe he can improve maybe he can't but field vs off field are separate things. Plenty of people are book smart but fail miserably when it comes to real world application of the knowledge. Only time will tell which way Glennon goes.

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        "It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics."Seriously? He should be successful first and then start studying? That is some moronic nonsense right there.

      Who said anything about success? Application of theory to the real world is all that was said. Basic reading comprehension is lacking seriously here. You created your own moronic nonsense right there 2nd stringer. Brilliant!

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        "It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics."Seriously? He should be successful first and then start studying? That is some moronic nonsense right there.

      Who said anything about success? Application of theory to the real world is all that was said. Basic reading comprehension is lacking seriously here. You created your own moronic nonsense right there 2nd stringer. Brilliant!

      No, man.  You stepped in it.

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      Gerald McCoy is getting sick of the Josh Freeman bashingAs the Buccaneers prepare for what could be a make-or-break season for quarterback Josh Freeman, defensive tackle Gerald McCoy would like to see folks take a break from bashing the 2009 first-round pick.“I think the reason I’m so sensitive about [the Freeman bashing] is because I got it for two years,” McCoy told reporters on Tuesday, via JoeBucsFan.com.  “They talked bad about me for two years.  So, it’s like, I don’t take to well to it when they talk about my teammates.“He had a real good year.  People give him so much scrutiny.  I’m like, ‘Man, you all got to relax.  Like, calm down, man.’  They just, I think he gets treated unfairly a lot.  Like I said, to me, it’s a sensitive area because, you know, I got it for two years.  Actually still get it.”

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/gerald-mccoy-is-getting-sick-of-the-josh-freeman-bashing/

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    • Anonymous

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      I wouldn’t expect McCoy to say anything else, but I hope he is right

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    • Anonymous

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        "It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics."Seriously? He should be successful first and then start studying? That is some moronic nonsense right there.

      Who said anything about success? Application of theory to the real world is all that was said. Basic reading comprehension is lacking seriously here. You created your own moronic nonsense right there 2nd stringer. Brilliant!

      No, man.  You stepped in it.

      My boots are knee high on these forums. You need that as a minimum to post here. Everyone is stepping in it. That's just the basic entry fee to post here.

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      Gerald McCoy is getting sick of the Josh Freeman bashingAs the Buccaneers prepare for what could be a make-or-break season for quarterback Josh Freeman, defensive tackle Gerald McCoy would like to see folks take a break from bashing the 2009 first-round pick.“I think the reason I’m so sensitive about [the Freeman bashing] is because I got it for two years,” McCoy told reporters on Tuesday, via JoeBucsFan.com.  “They talked bad about me for two years.  So, it’s like, I don’t take to well to it when they talk about my teammates.“He had a real good year.  People give him so much scrutiny.  I’m like, ‘Man, you all got to relax.  Like, calm down, man.’  They just, I think he gets treated unfairly a lot.  Like I said, to me, it’s a sensitive area because, you know, I got it for two years.  Actually still get it.”

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/gerald-mccoy-is-getting-sick-of-the-josh-freeman-bashing/

      Same thing.

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    • Anonymous

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      I firmly believe the hardest thing for a QB to do and also the most important thing is to be able to stand in the pocket, calmly read your progressions and throw an accurate ball. All of this while choas is ensuing around you. It is that ability that the greats have and it is that baseline ability that is needed for all other talents to come to fruition. The ability to run simply makes up for the lack of the previous skills.

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      "Mike can be great! He's a sponge.  Never saw him without his playbook.  All he thinks about is getting better."Sounds like a player you want to bet against.  Weird.

      Sounds a lot like Gradkowski

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    • Anonymous

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      "Mike can be great! He's a sponge.  Never saw him without his playbook.  All he thinks about is getting better."Sounds like a player you want to bet against.  Weird.

      Thomas Edison or NiKola Tesla were both smart too but I wouldn't want them on my football team.

      ding, ding, ding!!And 'can be great' is very open ended. Hell, i can be great.

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    • Anonymous

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      Gerald McCoy is getting sick of the Josh Freeman bashingAs the Buccaneers prepare for what could be a make-or-break season for quarterback Josh Freeman, defensive tackle Gerald McCoy would like to see folks take a break from bashing the 2009 first-round pick.“I think the reason I’m so sensitive about [the Freeman bashing] is because I got it for two years,” McCoy told reporters on Tuesday, via JoeBucsFan.com.  “They talked bad about me for two years.  So, it’s like, I don’t take to well to it when they talk about my teammates.“He had a real good year.  People give him so much scrutiny.  I’m like, ‘Man, you all got to relax.  Like, calm down, man.’  They just, I think he gets treated unfairly a lot.  Like I said, to me, it’s a sensitive area because, you know, I got it for two years.  Actually still get it.”

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/gerald-mccoy-is-getting-sick-of-the-josh-freeman-bashing/

      dammit.....i mis-spoke. NOW....we have a winner!!

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren’t studying football.

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    • Anonymous

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      "Mike can be great! He's a sponge.  Never saw him without his playbook.  All he thinks about is getting better."Sounds like a player you want to bet against.  Weird.

      Sounds a lot like Gradkowski

      Agreed, and I could see Glennon having a similar 8+ year career.

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Really that's the best you got? They said the same thing about Gradkowski. Lots of players are book smart but that doesn't always translate to the field.

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Really that's the best you got? They said the same thing about Gradkowski. Lots of players are book smart but that doesn't always translate to the field.

      It's a total non-sequitur to say Tesla and Edison wouldn't be good football players... and sad that studying a playbook can somehow be spun to be a negative thing.

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    • Anonymous

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      . It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics.

      i think most would agree that off the field work ethics need to be developed first.

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    • Anonymous

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      I firmly believe the hardest thing for a QB to do and also the most important thing is to be able to stand in the pocket, calmly read your progressions and throw an accurate ball. All of this while choas is ensuing around you. It is that ability that the greats have and it is that baseline ability that is needed for all other talents to come to fruition. The ability to run simply makes up for the lack of the previous skills.

      or enhances the previous skills.

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    • brycen54

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      Mayhem: "Who said anything about success?"Let us review. These are your very words:Mayhem: "Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps"

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    • Anonymous

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      And 'can be great' is very open ended. Hell, i can be great.

      with all due respect, i dont believe you have the arm strength to be a great NFL QB.  but i do believe you can be great at other things.

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    • Anonymous

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      . It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics.

      i think most would agree that off the field work ethics need to be developed first.

      I can think off a number of QB who might disagree, but the point isn't the timing, the point is it cannot be a bad thing that Glennon apparently has a strong work ethic and is smart. He still has to put it together on the field, but its a good sign.

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Really that's the best you got? They said the same thing about Gradkowski. Lots of players are book smart but that doesn't always translate to the field.

      It's a total non-sequitur to say Tesla and Edison wouldn't be good football players... and sad that studying a playbook can somehow be spun to be a negative thing.

      It's not a negative thing but it' also not a positive thing by default. You are trying to turn something that's UNKNOWN into something by ASSumption. It should be a good sign but if he can't apply it on the field it's worthless. Only time will tell that.

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      Mayhem: "Who said anything about success?"Let us review. These are your very words:Mayhem: "Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps"

      Let's review. That refers to proving he can apply the book knowledge to the field. Thanks for playing and come back anytime! You sure do try to cherry pick and twist stuff but you're never going to get away with that from me. Valiant effort though!

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Really that's the best you got? They said the same thing about Gradkowski. Lots of players are book smart but that doesn't always translate to the field.

      It's a total non-sequitur to say Tesla and Edison wouldn't be good football players... and sad that studying a playbook can somehow be spun to be a negative thing.

      It's not a negative thing but it' also not a positive thing by default. You are trying to to turn something that's UNKNOWN into something by ASSumption. BAD MOVE!

      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Really that's the best you got? They said the same thing about Gradkowski. Lots of players are book smart but that doesn't always translate to the field.

      It's a total non-sequitur to say Tesla and Edison wouldn't be good football players... and sad that studying a playbook can somehow be spun to be a negative thing.

      It's not a negative thing but it' also not a positive thing by default. You are trying to to turn something that's UNKNOWN into something by ASSumption. BAD MOVE!

      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

      In your opinion I'm sure it is. Keep preaching that opinion brother. Don't mind no one is listening. :)

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    • Anonymous

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Really that's the best you got? They said the same thing about Gradkowski. Lots of players are book smart but that doesn't always translate to the field.

      It's a total non-sequitur to say Tesla and Edison wouldn't be good football players... and sad that studying a playbook can somehow be spun to be a negative thing.

      It's not a negative thing but it' also not a positive thing by default. You are trying to to turn something that's UNKNOWN into something by ASSumption. BAD MOVE!

      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

      In your opinion I'm sure it is. Keep preaching that opinion brother. Don't mind no one is listening. :)

      Well, if they want a QB that has no idea what he's doing on the field... they can't be helped.  Sorta like you.

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Gruden is up at 3:17 studying....and i don't want him under center either.

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    • Anonymous

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

      First year, system and talent.  He will improve or he will be gone.  I read nothing but positives from that quote.

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    • Anonymous

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      Tesla and Edison weren't studying football.

      Gruden is up at 3:17 studying....and i don't want him under center either.

      I can't remember the last time Gruden was Glennon, tho'...

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    • Anonymous

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      It’s great that he’s studying the playbook. While he’s at it, I hope he’s working on his decision making, working on his issues with “phantom pressure”, bulking up a little bit, etc.

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    • brycen54

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        “Let’s review. That refers to proving he can apply the book knowledge to the field.”Ah, I see. Pray tell, wouldn't the demonstration of book knowledge on the field necessitate having some book knowledge to begin with? Yet, according to you, the player should first demonstrate the ability to transfer knowledge they don't have and then go back and gain that knowledge. That's quite the system. Have you ever thought about a career in coaching?

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    • Anonymous

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        "Let's review. That refers to proving he can apply the book knowledge to the field."Ah, I see. Pray tell, wouldn't the demonstration of book knowledge on the field necessitate having some book knowledge to begin with? Yet, according to you, the player should first demonstrate the ability to transfer knowledge they don't have and then go back and gain that knowledge. That's quite the system. Have you ever thought about a career in coaching?

      Let me guess this is his first time in his life ever getting book knowledge so he's stupid as a rock? He has to posses a degree of that to make it to the pro's. Applying it is another story. The old chicken or the egg discussion. I'm sure you'll win it so keep going. Yeahaw! You and DJ need to get a room. :p

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    • brycen54

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      Mayhem:  "My uncle is a crackhead and my grandpa is a drunkard"So who told you that learning was a bad thing, the drunkard or the crackhead?

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      Mayhem:  "My uncle is a crackhead and my grandpa is a drunkard"So who told you that learning was a bad thing, the drunkard or the crackhead?

      Awwww you couldn't debate the merits so you want to try to attack me another way? I haven't seen or talked to either in over 40 years. We moved over 2,000 miles to get away from them. Good try though! Keep trying it amusing the **CENSORED** out of me. *good doggie*

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    • brycen54

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      Lol. There are no merits to your position to discuss. Your position is idiotic. It basically consists of “I don’t like Glennon, so I don’t want to see him learning and getting better, even if that hurts the team.” Said position is devoid of merit, and only suitable for adoption by an ignorant buttnugget.

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      on McCoy:PewterReport.com ?@PewterReport  · 39m  Frazier said working with McCoy in practice has been impressive. Sets a great example for the other players.on Glennon, sort of:PewterReport.com ?@PewterReport  · 20m  Tedford said very impressed with McCown and the overall accuracy of all the QBs. Upwards of 80% completion rate in these practices

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      Lol. There are no merits to your position to discuss. Your position is idiotic. It basically consists of "I don't like Glennon, so I don't want to see him learning and getting better, even if that hurts the team." Said position is devoid of merit, and only suitable for adoption by an ignorant buttnugget.

      Poor guy I feel the butthurt. Let it flow my friend. Giggggittttyyy!

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      on McCoy:PewterReport.com ?@PewterReport  · 39m  Frazier said working with McCoy in practice has been impressive. Sets a great example for the other players.on Glennon, sort of:PewterReport.com ?@PewterReport  · 20m  Tedford said very impressed with McCown and the overall accuracy of all the QBs. Upwards of 80% completion rate in these practices

      Sounds more and more like this is McCown's job to lose.

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    • Anonymous

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      Awesome. We already know glennon has a good work ethic and studies the game. Now let’s see him crack the starting lineup and show he can do something with that knowledge.  Lots of guys are dedicated to the game and become nothing. Glennons dedication must translate to the field. So far his play has been spotty at best.

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      Awesome. We already know glennon has a good work ethic and studies the game. Now let's see him crack the starting lineup and show he can do something with that knowledge.  Lots of guys are dedicated to the game and become nothing. Glennons dedication must translate to the field. So far his play has been spotty at best.

      +1

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    • brycen54

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      Now that I would not disagree with.

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    • Anonymous

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      on McCoy:PewterReport.com ?@PewterReport  · 39m  Frazier said working with McCoy in practice has been impressive. Sets a great example for the other players.on Glennon, sort of:PewterReport.com ?@PewterReport  · 20m  Tedford said very impressed with McCown and the overall accuracy of all the QBs. Upwards of 80% completion rate in these practices

      Sounds more and more like this is McCown's job to lose.

      sure does, let best man win

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      Now that I would not disagree with.

      Sure you would. You must just not see an easy way to derive any sick pleasure out of people by doing that.

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    • brycen54

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      Get ya some butthurt ointment, son, and stop saying idiotic things like its bad for our QB to learn.

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    • Anonymous

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      Get ya some butthurt ointment, son, and stop saying idiotic things like its bad for our QB to learn.

      Please quote where I said that. I'll wait again.......Damn I love kicking your ass. I'm riding that thing like white on rice today.

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      Get ya some butthurt ointment, son, and stop saying idiotic things like its bad for our QB to learn.

      Please quote where I said that. I'll wait again.......Damn I love kicking your ass. I'm riding that thing like white on rice today.

      You think rolling around in what you stepped in... is kicking ass?

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

      First year, system and talent.  He will improve or he will be gone.  I read nothing but positives from that quote.

      That's it with you Glennon haters. You can't see the gray. What Glennon did last year with a bad team, a bad coach, no mentor and as a rookie with an aging VJax and converted TE was simply amazing. That being said, him playing the same way this year isn't going to cut it. What he did last year earned him another shot. What he does this year will be what earns him the right to continue to play QB for the Bucs. No one is talking pro bowl or HOF or crowning him anything.

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    • Anonymous

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      Get ya some butthurt ointment, son, and stop saying idiotic things like its bad for our QB to learn.

      Please quote where I said that. I'll wait again.......Damn I love kicking your ass. I'm riding that thing like white on rice today.

      You think rolling around in what you stepped in... is kicking ass?

      I'm sorry did I step into your domain? I'll back off.

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    • brycen54

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      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

      In your opinion I'm sure it is. Keep preaching that opinion brother. Don't mind no one is listening. :)

      Studying is bad!

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    • Anonymous

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      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

      In your opinion I'm sure it is. Keep preaching that opinion brother. Don't mind no one is listening. :)

      Studying is bad!

      I'm still waiting.....

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    • Anonymous

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      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

      In your opinion I'm sure it is. Keep preaching that opinion brother. Don't mind no one is listening. :)

      Studying is bad!

      I'm still waiting rolling....

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    • brycen54

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      Is ‘bated breath too much to ask?

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    • Anonymous

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      Studying the playbook IS a positive thing... by default.

      In your opinion I'm sure it is. Keep preaching that opinion brother. Don't mind no one is listening. :)

      Studying is bad!

      I'm still waiting rolling....

      Whatever works for you as long as you entertain me like you are. Good boy you get a treat! Yay Rover!

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    • Anonymous

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      Is 'bated breath too much to ask?

      You can ask for anything you want once you post a quote that actually says what you think it does. Don't mind me using you like a yo-yo for my amusement while I wait.

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    • brycen54

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      I wonder if anyone’s ever moved two thousand miles to get away from a pot smoker?

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    • Anonymous

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      I wonder if anyone's ever moved two thousand miles to get away from a pot smoker?

      How's the fishing? You keep baiting the hook but no one bites. I guess this is how you become a master baiter? I think I seen you on Top Hooker. If that wasn't you then you need to apply. They'd love to have you on that show.

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    • Anonymous

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

      First year, system and talent.  He will improve or he will be gone.  I read nothing but positives from that quote.

      That's it with you Glennon haters. You can't see the gray. What Glennon did last year with a bad team, a bad coach, no mentor and as a rookie with an aging VJax and converted TE was simply amazing. That being said, him playing the same way this year isn't going to cut it. What he did last year earned him another shot. What he does this year will be what earns him the right to continue to play QB for the Bucs. No one is talking pro bowl or HOF or crowning him anything.

      Funny coming from a guy who was all "doom and gloom" a month ago.

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    • Anonymous

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      I have no idea what Glennon can or can’t be. I do know that I can’t judge his talent until I see him play in a real NFL system with real coaching and quality playcalling

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      I have no idea what Glennon can or can't be. I do know that I can't judge his talent until I see him play in a real NFL system with real coaching and quality playcalling

      +1

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    • Anonymous

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      I have no idea what Glennon can or can't be. I do know that I can't judge his talent until I see him play in a real NFL system with real coaching and quality playcalling

      Then I guess we should re-sign Josh Johnson too

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    • Anonymous

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

      First year, system and talent.  He will improve or he will be gone.  I read nothing but positives from that quote.

      That's it with you Glennon haters. You can't see the gray. What Glennon did last year with a bad team, a bad coach, no mentor and as a rookie with an aging VJax and converted TE was simply amazing. That being said, him playing the same way this year isn't going to cut it. What he did last year earned him another shot. What he does this year will be what earns him the right to continue to play QB for the Bucs. No one is talking pro bowl or HOF or crowning him anything.

      I was simply amazed the Bucs didn't have the #33 offense.

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    • Anonymous

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      I have no idea what Glennon can or can't be. I do know that I can't judge his talent until I see him play in a real NFL system with real coaching and quality playcalling

      Then I guess we should re-sign Josh Johnson too

      man Glennon has part of  ONE season in the NFL, spent on a pitiful team with a fired coach, Schiano,  . ..  and that compares to Johnson with, what, 6 season in the NFL ? With, what, 5 or 6 different NFL coaching staffs, 5 or 6 different NFL systems?I mean at some point the Glennon stuff is over the top, isn't it?

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    • gobucs123

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        "It all comes down to what can he do on the field. Once he establishes that then he can follow in Peyton's foot steps on the off field work ethics."Seriously? He should be successful first and then start studying? That is some moronic nonsense right there.

      Who said anything about success? Application of theory to the real world is all that was said. Basic reading comprehension is lacking seriously here. You created your own moronic nonsense right there 2nd stringer. Brilliant!

      No, man.  You stepped in it.

      He mad.

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      I have no idea what Glennon can or can't be. I do know that I can't judge his talent until I see him play in a real NFL system with real coaching and quality playcalling

      Then I guess we should re-sign Josh Johnson too

      harbaugh and (jay) gruden have both cut him since then

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      I mean at some point the Glennon stuff is over the top, isn't it?

      some of us have seen enough to form an opinion while others keep tossing out qualifiers

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      Some of us cry about the team never developing a QB, too.

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      Some of us cry about the team never developing a QB, too.

      If Glennon becomes the guy we Buc fans have longed for, i'll be the first to eat crow. I don't see it happening though. And the fact that he was demoted without even being given a shot at the starting gig kinda validates my opinion of him.

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      Some of us cry about the team never developing a QB, too.

      If Glennon becomes the guy we Buc fans have longed for, i'll be the first to eat crow. I don't see it happening though. And the fact that he was demoted without even being given a shot at the starting gig kinda validates my opinion of him.

      Let me ask you... Have you ever said that it takes at least 3 years to judge a draft pick?

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      I mean at some point the Glennon stuff is over the top, isn't it?

      some of us have seen enough to form an opinion while others keep tossing out qualifiers

      I meant the argument made to support those views, like comparing the available data on Glennon to the available data on JJ. I guess that is the other side of the Glennon coin to ignoring that McCown is clearly the starter. Lol

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      Some of us cry about the team never developing a QB, too.

      If Glennon becomes the guy we Buc fans have longed for, i'll be the first to eat crow. I don't see it happening though. And the fact that he was demoted without even being given a shot at the starting gig kinda validates my opinion of him.

      Let me ask you... Have you ever said that it takes at least 3 years to judge a draft pick?

      I've heard that, and in most cases would agree. However, there are times when something is so blatantly obvious that time is not needed. Gaines Adams would be another example. #RIP

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      Some of us cry about the team never developing a QB, too.

      If Glennon becomes the guy we Buc fans have longed for, i'll be the first to eat crow. I don't see it happening though. And the fact that he was demoted without even being given a shot at the starting gig kinda validates my opinion of him.

      Let me ask you... Have you ever said that it takes at least 3 years to judge a draft pick?

      He can answer obviously but just from reading the posts I think the one compelling argument made by those against Glennon relates to things that would not change, such as lack of mobility etc. In other words, for some (I think Hate is included?)  Glennon has unchangeable traits that make him not their type of QB? Not sure, but that's what comes through to me

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      Some of us cry about the team never developing a QB, too.

      If Glennon becomes the guy we Buc fans have longed for, i'll be the first to eat crow. I don't see it happening though. And the fact that he was demoted without even being given a shot at the starting gig kinda validates my opinion of him.

      Let me ask you... Have you ever said that it takes at least 3 years to judge a draft pick?

      He can answer obviously but just from reading the posts I think the one compelling argument made by those against Glennon relates to things that would not change, such as lack of mobility etc. In other words, for some (I think Hate is included?)  Glennon has unchangeable traits that make him not their type of QB? Not sure, but that's what comes through to me

      You would be correct in that assessment. When you're a statue, you have to be a quick thinker and deadly accurate. I believe that Glennon lacks in both departments.

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      Tedfod thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

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      Tedfod thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      but I guess Tedford thinks that functional mobility is not enough to put him in front of a mcCown, right? I dont think the Red Board thinks different (the RB doesnt think anything unanimously, lol), I just think some see the "functional" qualifier as .  . well . .  a qualifier.I think the truth on Glennon is in between the two poles

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      Tedfod thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      It's the offseason. Every player can do everything. Tedford can blow as much sunshine as he wants when Glennon isn't on the field.

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      Tedford thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      It's the offseason. Every player can do everything. Tedford can blow as much sunshine as he wants when Glennon isn't on the field.

      Funny, because that was what he said after his first look at last season's film... back in January.

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      Tedford thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      It's the offseason. Every player can do everything. Tedford can blow as much sunshine as he wants when Glennon isn't on the field.

      Funny, because that was what he said after his first look at last season's film... back in January.

      Glennon isn't in a wheelchair. He has a baseline level of the athletic ability to run most offenses. But when compared to most good NFL QBs, he has less than ideal mobility and clearly takes a lot of sacks because of that.

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      Tedford thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      It's the offseason. Every player can do everything. Tedford can blow as much sunshine as he wants when Glennon isn't on the field.

      Funny, because that was what he said after his first look at last season's film... back in January.

      Glennon isn't in a wheelchair. He has a baseline level of the athletic ability to run most offenses. But when compared to most good NFL QBs, he has less than ideal mobility and clearly takes a lot of sacks because of that.

      Would agree with all but the last part.  A lot of mobile QBs take sacks.

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      Tedfod thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      Just watch the highlight video . Glennon was constantly moving around in the pocket to complete passes because his protection sucked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYK7vapUM4QFilm don't lie.

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      Wow. Who wouldve thought that by not drafting Manziel, Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, that there would be this much lashing out at ANYTHING positive that is said about Glennon?

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      I have no idea what Glennon can or can't be. I do know that I can't judge his talent until I see him play in a real NFL system with real coaching and quality playcalling

      Then I guess we should re-sign Josh Johnson too

      man Glennon has part of  ONE season in the NFL, spent on a pitiful team with a fired coach, Schiano,  . ..  and that compares to Johnson with, what, 6 season in the NFL ? With, what, 5 or 6 different NFL coaching staffs, 5 or 6 different NFL systems?I mean at some point the Glennon stuff is over the top, isn't it?

      Johnson started 4 games here for a coach that got fired for being inept.  I'm not sure how moving on from him is any different from moving on from Glennon.  Both showed enough to warrant an upgrade.

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      lol, wow .. okay

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      lol, wow .. okay

      The blind hatred is amazing.

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      Tedfod thinks Glennon has the functional mobility to get out of the pocket and change the launch point of his throws.Red Board says different.  Hmmm...

      Just watch the highlight video . Glennon was constantly moving around in the pocket to complete passes because his protection sucked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYK7vapUM4QFilm don't lie.

      So true.  Anyone that thinks he's a statue, can't think quickly or has no mobility either hasn't seen him play or has some odd form of hatred related to something else.  Weird.

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      Olè!

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      Cause?

      A QB that struggles to read defenses pre-snap and is reluctant to throw downfield to guys that don't have significant separation

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      Is Rob Johnson back?

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      The hate for Glennon is real.

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      Is Rob Johnson back?

      I understand this is mostly a joke but no one is as bad as Rob Johnson. Glennon's one sack every 10.4 pass attempts is very reminiscent of Luke McCown's one per 9.6 pass attempts. It's pretty remarkable to look at the 2007 numbers and with the same offensive linemen, Garcia got sacked once every 17.2 pass attempts and McCown once every 9.3.

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      The hate for Glennon is really stupid.

      +1

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      The hate for Glennon is really stupid.

      +1

      It is.

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

      First year, system and talent.  He will improve or he will be gone.  I read nothing but positives from that quote.

      That's it with you Glennon haters. You can't see the gray. What Glennon did last year with a bad team, a bad coach, no mentor and as a rookie with an aging VJax and converted TE was simply amazing. That being said, him playing the same way this year isn't going to cut it. What he did last year earned him another shot. What he does this year will be what earns him the right to continue to play QB for the Bucs. No one is talking pro bowl or HOF or crowning him anything.

      Funny coming from a guy who was all "doom and gloom" a month ago.

      I was simply voicing a legitimate concern about what the new regime was doing. All you jock sniffers loved every move that was made, truth is those decisions remain to be seen if they were good ones. Smith could do no wrong to some people. He's earning some cushion from me as he made a big move to restore the offense he depleted with an all offensive draft.I wasn't doom and gloom before, I was and am concerned that many FA signings don't work out well. Look at our history in the last few years.

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      Is Rob Johnson back?

      I understand this is mostly a joke but no one is as bad as Rob Johnson. Glennon's one sack every 10.4 pass attempts is very reminiscent of Luke McCown's one per 9.6 pass attempts. It's pretty remarkable to look at the 2007 numbers and with the same offensive linemen, Garcia got sacked once every 17.2 pass attempts and McCown once every 9.3.

      You're right no one is as bad as Robosack.

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      I think one of the most amazing things about looking at past Bucs sack numbers is just how good Byron Leftwich was. For his career he was sacked once every 17.4 pass attempts and in 2009 with the Bucs he was sacked a total of two times in 107 pass attempts. Some players with poor mobility are still able to avoid being sacked a bunch.

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      I think one of the most amazing things about looking at past Bucs sack numbers is just how good Byron Leftwich was. For his career he was sacked once every 17.4 pass attempts and in 2009 with the Bucs he was sacked a total of two times in 107 pass attempts. Some players with poor mobility are still able to avoid being sacked a bunch.

      ...and QB mobility isn't directly tied to sack count...

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      I think one of the most amazing things about looking at past Bucs sack numbers is just how good Byron Leftwich was. For his career he was sacked once every 17.4 pass attempts and in 2009 with the Bucs he was sacked a total of two times in 107 pass attempts. Some players with poor mobility are still able to avoid being sacked a bunch.

      ...and QB mobility isn't directly tied to sack count...

      True, but combined with his extremely slow release, you'd think the number would be much higher. That's an interesting stat.

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      I think one of the most amazing things about looking at past Bucs sack numbers is just how good Byron Leftwich was. For his career he was sacked once every 17.4 pass attempts and in 2009 with the Bucs he was sacked a total of two times in 107 pass attempts. Some players with poor mobility are still able to avoid being sacked a bunch.

      ...and QB mobility isn't directly tied to sack count...

      Of course not.

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      I think one of the most amazing things about looking at past Bucs sack numbers is just how good Byron Leftwich was. For his career he was sacked once every 17.4 pass attempts and in 2009 with the Bucs he was sacked a total of two times in 107 pass attempts. Some players with poor mobility are still able to avoid being sacked a bunch.

      ...and QB mobility isn't directly tied to sack count...

      I actually think I read an article once showing an inverse correlation, that the most mobile qbs tended to take the most sacks

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      Cause?

      A QB that struggles to read defenses pre-snap and is reluctant to throw downfield to guys that don't have significant separation

      Is the reluctance by design? What about offense? Line play? Lack of mobility?

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      Cause?

      A QB that struggles to read defenses pre-snap and is reluctant to throw downfield to guys that don't have significant separation

      Is the reluctance by design? What about offense? Line play? Lack of mobility?

      Outside of mobility I would say most of those things didn't change from 12 to 13, and yet sacks almost doubled

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      Cause?

      A QB that struggles to read defenses pre-snap and is reluctant to throw downfield to guys that don't have significant separation

      Is the reluctance by design? What about offense? Line play? Lack of mobility?

      Outside of mobility I would say most of those things didn't change from 12 to 13, and yet sacks almost doubled

      Yet, the offensive linemen are mostly playing for other teams this year... well, maybe they were last year, too.

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      We have a new coaching staff and a new OC for a reason. 

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      Cause?

      A QB that struggles to read defenses pre-snap and is reluctant to throw downfield to guys that don't have significant separation

      Is the reluctance by design? What about offense? Line play? Lack of mobility?

      Outside of mobility I would say most of those things didn't change from 12 to 13, and yet sacks almost doubled

      Yet, the offensive linemen are mostly playing for other teams this year... well, maybe they were last year, too.

      Most of the offensive linemen from the earlier years had similar exits. John Wade started 16 games in 2007 and 4 the rest of his career. He was so bad they gave Jeff Faine a $40 million contract. Faine started 51 games between 2008-2012 and 7 after that. Jeremy Trueblood started 71 games between 2007-2012, got benched twice, and is generally regarded as one of the worst offensive linemen in the NFL. Derek Hardman started 4 games in 2010 and hasn't played since. Keydrick Vincent started 5 games in 2010 and never played again. James Lee started 10 games between 2010-2011 and hasn't been in the NFL since. Jamon Meredith started 12 games in 2012. Ted Larsen started 27 games between 2010-2012. The Bucs offensive linemen have sucked for years and a few of us posters have been saying so all along and now people only start to realize once Glennon comes in. bucs-panthers.giforiginal.gifThis kind of stuff has been happening for years.

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      Cause?

      A QB that struggles to read defenses pre-snap and is reluctant to throw downfield to guys that don't have significant separation

      Is the reluctance by design? What about offense? Line play? Lack of mobility?

      Outside of mobility I would say most of those things didn't change from 12 to 13, and yet sacks almost doubled

      Yet, the offensive linemen are mostly playing for other teams this year... well, maybe they were last year, too.

      Most of the offensive linemen from the earlier years had similar exits. John Wade started 16 games in 2007 and 4 the rest of his career. He was so bad they gave Jeff Faine a $40 million contract. Faine started 51 games between 2008-2012 and 7 after that. Jeremy Trueblood started 71 games between 2007-2012, got benched twice, and is generally regarded as one of the worst offensive linemen in the NFL. Derek Hardman started 4 games in 2010 and hasn't played since. Keydrick Vincent started 5 games in 2010 and never played again. James Lee started 10 games between 2010-2011 and hasn't been in the NFL since. Jamon Meredith started 12 games in 2012. Ted Larsen started 27 games between 2010-2012. The Bucs offensive linemen have sucked for years and a few of us posters have been saying so all along and now people only start to realize once Glennon comes in. bucs-panthers.giforiginal.gifThis kind of stuff has been happening for years.

      +1.The line has been a makeshift for years now. 2012 was the only time I saw a half decent line.

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      FRG… How many times have 4 of the 5 starting o-line changed from one year to he next?The offense was supposed to be run first.  They couldn't run the ball.  They scored 6 rushing TDs.  That gets you a 4-12 record.  That's why those o-line starters are gone.  That's why they used a draft pick on a RB.

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      FRG... How many times have 4 of the 5 starting o-line changed from one year to he next?The offense was supposed to be run first.  They couldn't run the ball.  They scored 6 rushing TDs.  That gets you a 4-12 record.  That's why those o-line starters are gone.  That's why they used a draft pick on a RB.

      Yeah, this is the first time the offensive line has disappointed us.

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      News flash! A rookie QB wasn’t ready for an nfl pass rush with nfl blitzes and nfl schemes. On top of it, the rookie QB had questionable schemes to combat it.  So he struggled at times. Moreso in the second half when nfl d coordinators adjusted. All the above does not mean a 2nd year QB will not be better equipped to deal with the speed and schemes, and as a 3rd year guy...no, he will never be rg3, but that's not really the standard either.

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      Last year’s o-line was pretty on par for what we’ve had up there the past 5 or so years. Hell, probably even longer than that.

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      FRG... How many times have 4 of the 5 starting o-line changed from one year to he next?The offense was supposed to be run first.  They couldn't run the ball.  They scored 6 rushing TDs.  That gets you a 4-12 record.  That's why those o-line starters are gone.  That's why they used a draft pick on a RB.

      Yeah, this is the first time the offensive line has disappointed us.

      Leading the league in offensive penalties didn't help, either....

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      News flash! A rookie QB wasn't ready for an nfl pass rush with nfl blitzes and nfl schemes. On top of it, the rookie QB had questionable schemes to combat it.  So he struggled at times. Moreso in the second half when nfl d coordinators adjusted.

      Maybe he'll get better. But there's a reason Glennon was a 3rd round pick, and it wasn't because he was too short and it wasn't because he didn't have a big enough arm.

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      Maybe he'll get better. But there's a reason Glennon was a 3rd round pick, and it wasn't because he was too short and it wasn't because he didn't have a big enough arm.

      what was the reason? 

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      Maybe he'll get better. But there's a reason Glennon was a 3rd round pick, and it wasn't because he was too short and it wasn't because he didn't have a big enough arm.

      what was the reason?

      WEAKNESSES His average foot quickness will cause him issues trying to avoid defenders in a collapsing pocket. Tends to retreat instead of stepping up to deliver in the face of pressure -- though his arm gives him a chance to get the ball out of bounds or find an open target while still backpedalling. And while he has the arm and tight spiral to threaten defenses with the deep ball, his inconsistent accuracy and reading of coverages keep him from being efficient in the vertical game.

      http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/mike-glennon?id=2539275

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      How about if we reverse the process? There seems to be a lot of evidence that Glennon is a good, but limited QB.  What is the BEST evidence that he could be a GREAT QB?

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      How about if we reverse the process? There seems to be a lot of evidence that Glennon is a good, but limited QB.  What is the BEST evidence that he could be a GREAT QB?

      I don't see any way he could be a GREAT QB. IMO his ceiling is Matt Schaub, who would still be the best QB in franchise history, but if you're not 100% of Matt Schaub and instead 85-90% of Matt Schaub, you're Kyle Orton, and a substandard starter.

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      Pretty accurate report. I think if the game can slow down a bit for him (which most players acknowledge) then he could be a valuable QB, a great backup at the least.

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      Mccoy is supporting his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.And glennon can be a starter in the nfl, but with the way he played last season, he would never crack the top ten offense within the league.Second half has got to be corrected, or he's as good as gone

      First year, system and talent.  He will improve or he will be gone.  I read nothing but positives from that quote.

      That's it with you Glennon haters. You can't see the gray. What Glennon did last year with a bad team, a bad coach, no mentor and as a rookie with an aging VJax and converted TE was simply amazing. That being said, him playing the same way this year isn't going to cut it. What he did last year earned him another shot. What he does this year will be what earns him the right to continue to play QB for the Bucs. No one is talking pro bowl or HOF or crowning him anything.

      Funny coming from a guy who was all "doom and gloom" a month ago.

      I was simply voicing a legitimate concern about what the new regime was doing. All you jock sniffers loved every move that was made, truth is those decisions remain to be seen if they were good ones. Smith could do no wrong to some people. He's earning some cushion from me as he made a big move to restore the offense he depleted with an all offensive draft.I wasn't doom and gloom before, I was and am concerned that many FA signings don't work out well. Look at our history in the last few years.

      Thank God.  ::)

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      News flash! A rookie QB wasn't ready for an nfl pass rush with nfl blitzes and nfl schemes. On top of it, the rookie QB had questionable schemes to combat it.  So he struggled at times. Moreso in the second half when nfl d coordinators adjusted. All the above does not mean a 2nd year QB will not be better equipped to deal with the speed and schemes, and as a 3rd year guy...no, he will never be rg3, but that's not really the standard either.

      PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!

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      How about if we reverse the process? There seems to be a lot of evidence that Glennon is a good, but limited QB.  What is the BEST evidence that he could be a GREAT QB?

      GREAT isn't a requirement for me.  A lot of GREAT QBs have no bling, or very little of it.I just want to see how he does with a full compliment of weapons and an offensive system that isn't broke to begin with.

      In my opinion, the right system should consist of a philosophy that features a dominant downhill running game complemented by a vertical passing attack. From a personnel standpoint, it will be important for the team that acquires Glennon to have a workhorse running back in place to facilitate an effective play-action passing game. If I had to point to a blueprint for success, I'd focus on the Atlanta Falcons' development of Matt Ryan. Thomas Dimitroff provided his franchise quarterback with multiple threats in the passing game and surrounded him with a solid offensive line. If a franchise is willing to do the same for Glennon, he could also emerge as a franchise quarterback capable of leading a team into the postseason.

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      If Glennon doesn’t have potential to be great then isn’t he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      These clowns can't even accept that.

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      These clowns can't even accept that.

      lol, well that doesn't seem to make much sense.  The reason teams struggle through growing pains with a QB is because they believe the QB can be the "franchise" QB at some point in the future. If they don't believe that, or have doubts, then they develop the guy as a back-up, right? Everyone gets a chance to compete, but all thing being equally the young guy gives way to experience unless he has the potential to be great.

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

      Like how Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for three years? (When #4 wasn't really all that "great")

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs’ QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

      Like how Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for three years? (When #4 wasn't really all that "great")

      your example involves a LEGEND . . .right? Essentially, the FACE of the Packers?  The norm, even more so today than in the past, is to take a hopeful "franchise QB" and put him out there, right? The only exception being when there is a LEGENDARY player in front (i.e., Brady, Manning,etc.).  So, if you think you have a potential franchise QB, you play him right? You take the growing pains because of what the future holds, right?

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine. 

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

      Like how Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for three years? (When #4 wasn't really all that "great")

      your example involves a LEGEND . . .right? Essentially, the FACE of the Packers?  The norm, even more so today than in the past, is to take a hopeful "franchise QB" and put him out there, right? The only exception being when there is a LEGENDARY player in front (i.e., Brady, Manning,etc.).  So, if you think you have a potential franchise QB, you play him right? You take the growing pains because of what the future holds, right?

      The LEGEND was throwing more picks than he was TDs while Rodgers sat for his first two years.  They went 4-12 and 8-8.

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Hyperbole much?Taking too many sacks is a legit criticism on Glennon, as much you want to turn a blind eye to it.  I'm sure he'd tell you the same thing.  He needs to get better at getting rid of the ball and shedding arm tackles.

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then? 

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    • Anonymous

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

      Like how Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for three years? (When #4 wasn't really all that "great")

      your example involves a LEGEND . . .right? Essentially, the FACE of the Packers?  The norm, even more so today than in the past, is to take a hopeful "franchise QB" and put him out there, right? The only exception being when there is a LEGENDARY player in front (i.e., Brady, Manning,etc.).  So, if you think you have a potential franchise QB, you play him right? You take the growing pains because of what the future holds, right?

      The LEGEND was throwing more picks than he was TDs while Rodgers sat for his first two years.  They went 4-12 and 8-8.

      CJ, c'mon now . .  my point is not that Favre was good or bad, its that the example you picked is an obvious outlier . . . . teams ride LEGENDS past the end . . often long past, but that doesn't change the fact that TODAY the norm is to run with the young guy, if you think he is "the future."  Aaron Rodgers situation doesn't change that.

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then?

      The good QBs rise above.

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then?

      The good QBs rise above.

      I agree but... which rookie ones did it?

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then?

      The good QBs rise above.

      I agree but... which rookie ones did it?

      That's what coaches get paid for. To decide which players who previously failed get to keep trying and which ones don't. The track records of QBs from the #2 offense isn't good.

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then?

      The good QBs rise above.

      I agree but... which rookie ones did it?

      That's what coaches get paid for. To decide which players who previously failed get to keep trying and which ones don't. The track records of QBs from the #2 offense isn't good.

      Ohhh it's the coaches now. I thought the good ones rise above. Which rookie good ones rose above?

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then?

      The good QBs rise above.

      I agree but... which rookie ones did it?

      That's what coaches get paid for. To decide which players who previously failed get to keep trying and which ones don't. The track records of QBs from the #2 offense isn't good.

      Ohhh it's the coaches now. I thought the good ones rise above. Which rookie good ones rose above?

      Well the coaches are the ones who immediately signed a new QB and paid him five times what Glennon is making and that QB is outperforming him in camp.

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

      Like how Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for three years? (When #4 wasn't really all that "great")

      your example involves a LEGEND . . .right? Essentially, the FACE of the Packers?  The norm, even more so today than in the past, is to take a hopeful "franchise QB" and put him out there, right? The only exception being when there is a LEGENDARY player in front (i.e., Brady, Manning,etc.).  So, if you think you have a potential franchise QB, you play him right? You take the growing pains because of what the future holds, right?

      The LEGEND was throwing more picks than he was TDs while Rodgers sat for his first two years.  They went 4-12 and 8-8.

      CJ, c'mon now . .  my point is not that Favre was good or bad, its that the example you picked is an obvious outlier . . . . teams ride LEGENDS past the end . . often long past, but that doesn't change the fact that TODAY the norm is to run with the young guy, if you think he is "the future."  Aaron Rodgers situation doesn't change that.

      That's your assertion.  I think coaches tend to do what they think helps them win games.

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      Which rookie QBs rose above?

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      Can't let that happen!

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      These clowns don't even want him to do that.

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      Which rookie QBs rose above?

      Ryan, Newton, RGIII, Luck, Wilson would be obvious examples. But don't take my point that all good QBs are good as rookies. Eli Manning was terrible. But he was terrible because he himself was terrible. Not because his coaches and teammates dragged him down.

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      He’s already set all the rookie records that he can set… it’s over.

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      I don't think I've made any statements about Glennon not being able to be developed. I said he "could" one day be as good as Matt Schaub. I'm merely describing how he played in 2013, and despite how others want to characterize it, it wasn't good.

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      Which rookie QBs rose above?

      Ryan, Newton, RGIII, Luck, Wilson would be obvious examples. But don't take my point that all good QBs are good as rookies. Eli Manning was terrible. But he was terrible because he himself was terrible. Not because his coaches and teammates dragged him down.

      Ryan went to a good situation in atlanta. Cam had a good offensive unit around him. RGIII had a stacked offensive unit too. Luck is Luck and still had good coaching with a cupcake schedule and Wilson went to a stacked team. Glennon had... Greg Schiano

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      Sadly we don't even know if he can be developed. Maybe he can but not by the Bucs like Steve Young. We just don't know anything except he didn't win the job last year when he was given the keys to the kingdom.

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      Which rookie QBs rose above?

      Ryan, Newton, RGIII, Luck, Wilson would be obvious examples. But don't take my point that all good QBs are good as rookies. Eli Manning was terrible. But he was terrible because he himself was terrible. Not because his coaches and teammates dragged him down.

      Ryan went to a good situation in atlanta. Cam had a good offensive unit around him. RGIII had a stacked offensive unit too. Luck is Luck and still had good coaching with a cupcake schedule and Wilson went to a stacked team. Glennon had... Greg Schiano

      It's easy to say that now, but Ryan went to a team that went 3-13 the year before, gave up 47 sacks, and many observers thought it would take "years" to overcome the Mike Vick fiasco. Cam went to a 2-14 team. RGIII's team won 15 games the previous three seasons combined and has Bruce Allen as their GM. Luck is of course Luck. And Wilson's team is only stacked on defense, not offense. He's really good in his own right. It's not a knock on Glennon. There are roughly 80 or so QBs in the NFL and only 15-16 of them are any good. It's really really really hard to be a good QB. Lots try, few succeed. But maybe there's a reason Glennon didn't go to a "better" situation. The good coaches didn't want him.

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      Well, our coaches call him their future…

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      Well, our coaches call him their future...

      What specifically did they say he would become in the future? How far from now did they say this is exactly? They tossed out a touchy feel good comment which binds them to nothing. If they were offered a 1st round pick for Glennon tomorrow he'd be gone. In that example he was the future until he wasn't the future. People read too much into stuff that really means nothing.

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      Was saying McCown gets the first reps the same as naming him “starter”?

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      Was saying McCown gets the first reps the same as naming him "starter"?

      While Glennon had a good showing at mini-camp, McCown was sensational. PewterReport.com reported how McCown looked like he was putting on a pro day workout for NFL scouts, as his passes were crisp, rhythmic and on-target with very few incompletions. And it wasn’t just one day. It was the same awesome performance in each of the three days of Tampa Bay’s mini-camp.

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      Sadly we don't even know if he can be developed. Maybe he can but not by the Bucs like Steve Young. We just don't know anything except he didn't win the job last year when he was given the keys to the kingdom.

      we don’t know if rg3 can be developed or if hes washed out already. We don’t know much about the future.we do know he took the job from a 5 year vet last year. We also know the new coach brought in a new coordinator and statistically the best QB of 2013.

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      If Glennon doesn't have potential to be great then isn't he exactly where he should be, competing for the starting job, but likely a backup to an experienced veteran who appears to be a better fit for the offense?

      Great is a term that isn't very definitive to me.  Therefore, potential to be great == meh...

      well, how about "franchise QB" . . . you know, "the man"?

      Like how Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for three years? (When #4 wasn't really all that "great")

      your example involves a LEGEND . . .right? Essentially, the FACE of the Packers?  The norm, even more so today than in the past, is to take a hopeful "franchise QB" and put him out there, right? The only exception being when there is a LEGENDARY player in front (i.e., Brady, Manning,etc.).  So, if you think you have a potential franchise QB, you play him right? You take the growing pains because of what the future holds, right?

      The LEGEND was throwing more picks than he was TDs while Rodgers sat for his first two years.  They went 4-12 and 8-8.

      CJ, c'mon now . .  my point is not that Favre was good or bad, its that the example you picked is an obvious outlier . . . . teams ride LEGENDS past the end . . often long past, but that doesn't change the fact that TODAY the norm is to run with the young guy, if you think he is "the future."  Aaron Rodgers situation doesn't change that.

      That's your assertion.  I think coaches tend to do what they think helps them win games.

      lol okay

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    • Anonymous

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      Can't let that happen!

      how is that not happening? did we cut the guy?

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      I’m not a huge fan of either qb, but I will be if they surprise.The absolute best outcome would be if glennon goes beastmode, but I'll still be happy if we do well for a couple of seasons with mccown at qb.I don't like how mccown only excelled for a short while at the bears (even if it was fantastic), and there are correctable issues with glennon that need to be shored up.But the guys out there catching the ball should make the biggest difference here. Huge bodies, good rbs, matchup nightmare abound, and for once..we have a bit of speed too.We were 32nd on offense..we have nowhere to go, but up. Good days ahead.

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      So the QB we drafted in the 3rd round to be a development QB actually needs developing?  Mind blowing.

      Can't let that happen!

      how is that not happening? did we cut the guy?

      LOL

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      Which rookie QBs rose above?

      Ryan, Newton, RGIII, Luck, Wilson would be obvious examples. But don't take my point that all good QBs are good as rookies. Eli Manning was terrible. But he was terrible because he himself was terrible. Not because his coaches and teammates dragged him down.

      Ryan went to a good situation in atlanta. Cam had a good offensive unit around him. RGIII had a stacked offensive unit too. Luck is Luck and still had good coaching with a cupcake schedule and Wilson went to a stacked team. Glennon had... Greg Schiano

      Thinking about that kind of stuff makes my head hurt. It's just easier to say "Glennon sucks" and move on.

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      Which rookie QBs rose above?

      Ryan, Newton, RGIII, Luck, Wilson would be obvious examples. But don't take my point that all good QBs are good as rookies. Eli Manning was terrible. But he was terrible because he himself was terrible. Not because his coaches and teammates dragged him down.

      Ryan went to a good situation in atlanta. Cam had a good offensive unit around him. RGIII had a stacked offensive unit too. Luck is Luck and still had good coaching with a cupcake schedule and Wilson went to a stacked team. Glennon had... Greg Schiano

      Thinking about that kind of stuff makes my head hurt. It's just easier to say "Glennon sucks" and move on.

      What's wrong with beating around the bush?

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      Gil Arcia on Twitter posted a few good things about Glennon, showing pictures of Glennon with a shorter release which is something Tedford is huge on…maybe after OTA’s the team saw Glennon can adapt to the QB they want to run this offense in the future, I am not completely sold on Glennon but I will admit the kid was thrown into a complete joke of an offense last year. They passed up on multiple qb’s so that does say something on how the organization feels.

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      Oh yeah one more note on the sack thing I posted in another thread. NFL.com started keeping track of QB hits a few years ago. They credited the Bucs with giving up 75 QB hits, 13th fewest in the NFL. As we know, Bucs' QBs were sacked 47 times, 7th most in the NFL, with Glennon taking 40 of them. That shows that when you get your hands on Glennon, he's going down. He can't make people miss nor break tackles at any discernible rate. The Bucs only had 28 QB hits that didn't result in sacks. Cleveland gave up the most QB hits with 121, but "only" 49 sacks. That means their QBs got hit 72 times without getting sacked.

      So what are you saying? Glennon doesn't break tackles while running for his life in a crappy scheme behind a terrible line while waiting for his one real receiving threat to get open? That bastard... even though he still managed to throw 19 TDs and 9 INTs he should be beaten and flogged in the street for not being a breaking tackles machine.

      Well these numbers would show the line wasn't "terrible". But the bottom line is you can't be a good team if you need the other 10 players on offense to be perfect on every play. It's impossible. Your QB has to be able to make plays when things don't go right.

      True but how about when after two unsurprising runs in to your center's ass the 4 of the 5 guys in front of you couldn't block a group of new born kittens? And your best TE is learning a new position? And your 2 thru whatever WRs suck?What then?

      The good QBs rise above.

      Nice try!

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      The hate for Glennon is real.

      i prefer dislike

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      The hate for Glennon is real.

      i prefer dislike

      I prefer, "wanting better".

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      The hate for Glennon is real.

      i prefer dislike

      I prefer, "wanting better".

      I prefer, "let the guy develop"

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      The hate for Glennon is real.

      i prefer dislike

      I prefer, "wanting better".

      I prefer, "let the guy develop"

      Me too, from the bench.

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      The hate for Glennon is real.

      i prefer dislike

      I prefer, "wanting better".

      I prefer, "let the guy develop"

      Me too, from the bench.

      No problem there. That's the situation we have now.

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      Was saying McCown gets the first reps the same as naming him "starter"?

      While Glennon had a good showing at mini-camp, McCown was sensational. PewterReport.com reported how McCown looked like he was putting on a pro day workout for NFL scouts, as his passes were crisp, rhythmic and on-target with very few incompletions. And it wasn’t just one day. It was the same awesome performance in each of the three days of Tampa Bay’s mini-camp.

      Wonder if you'd be quoting PR if they said some good things about Glennon.

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      Was saying McCown gets the first reps the same as naming him "starter"?

      While Glennon had a good showing at mini-camp, McCown was sensational. PewterReport.com reported how McCown looked like he was putting on a pro day workout for NFL scouts, as his passes were crisp, rhythmic and on-target with very few incompletions. And it wasn’t just one day. It was the same awesome performance in each of the three days of Tampa Bay’s mini-camp.

      Wonder if you'd be quoting PR if they said some good things about Glennon.

      He would never do that.

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      Idk if I would listen to PR about talent.Sure, general info is good, best around(respect), but their take on who shines and who doesn't, seems picked out of a hat sometimes.

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      Glennonites are mad tonight.

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn’t feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

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      Was saying McCown gets the first reps the same as naming him "starter"?

      While Glennon had a good showing at mini-camp, McCown was sensational. PewterReport.com reported how McCown looked like he was putting on a pro day workout for NFL scouts, as his passes were crisp, rhythmic and on-target with very few incompletions. And it wasn’t just one day. It was the same awesome performance in each of the three days of Tampa Bay’s mini-camp.

      Wonder if you'd be quoting PR if they said some good things about Glennon.

      I only care about reality. If PR said good things about Glennon that were based in reality, I wouldn't argue.

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      Glennon can move a pocket in a designed play, but his escapeability if you can even call it that, is virtually not there. He hasn’t handled late game pressure well. His deep ball in the nfl so far leaves a lot to be desired. He also didn’t go through reads well as the season went on. That said, he does have good short to intermediate accuracy. He’s a project and it’s hard saying if he will turn out to be good. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility because he has a good work ethic. I’m also not going to say its likely he corrects everything. He’ll have his chances but don’t get all butt hurt when people don’t see him as a franchise qb because he’s got a ways to go. Those thing aren’t entirely on poor coaching or scheme.

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      Was saying McCown gets the first reps the same as naming him "starter"?

      While Glennon had a good showing at mini-camp, McCown was sensational. PewterReport.com reported how McCown looked like he was putting on a pro day workout for NFL scouts, as his passes were crisp, rhythmic and on-target with very few incompletions. And it wasn’t just one day. It was the same awesome performance in each of the three days of Tampa Bay’s mini-camp.

      Wonder if you'd be quoting PR if they said some good things about Glennon.

      I only care about reality. If PR said good things about Glennon that were based in reality, I wouldn't argue.

      PR IS saying good things about Glennon , so why are you arguing ?

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

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      I think it goes beyond simply not believing in him. They are unwilling to even give him a chance , and go out of their way to ridicule him.This is what bugs the more reasonable posters.

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      I think it goes beyond simply not believing in him. They are unwilling to even give him a SECOND chance , and go out of their way to ridicule him.This is what bugs the more reasonable posters.

      I fixed it for you.

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      I think it goes beyond simply not believing in him. They are unwilling to even give him a SECOND chance , and go out of their way to ridicule him.This is what bugs the more reasonable posters.

      I fixed it for you.

      Exactly. Glennon is getting a second chance. It's just that a career backup journeyman is smoking him.

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      Pre-season will answer who is smoking who. I’m hearing that Glennon is taking a slight edge in the coaching discussions. We’ll see.

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      Pre-season will answer who is smoking who. I'm hearing that Glennon is taking a slight edge in the coaching discussions. We'll see.

      I'm sure he'll make a fine coach one day.

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      Glennon can move a pocket in a designed play, but his escapeability if you can even call it that, is virtually not there. He hasn't handled late game pressure well. His deep ball in the nfl so far leaves a lot to be desired. He also didn't go through reads well as the season went on. That said, he does have good short to intermediate accuracy. He's a project and it's hard saying if he will turn out to be good. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility because he has a good work ethic. I'm also not going to say its likely he corrects everything. He'll have his chances but don't get all butt hurt when people don't see him as a franchise qb because he's got a ways to go. Those thing aren't entirely on poor coaching or scheme.

      In no way is this a comparison between the two, but did Favre do everything correctly? Green Bay, until Favre played for MN, loved the guy, but everyone knows that he was a gambler and lost just as many contests as he won with his throw a bullet into coverage and hope he sticks it into his receiver, but whoops another int just happened.  Would we have loved to have "GB era Favre" in TB over the likes of Simms, Griese, Rattay, Gradkowski, Garcia, Freeman?All I'm saying here is, no qb is great at everything, but if Glennon improves in some areas, we might just have a top 15 qb, and I'd take him, or any top 15 qb, and some of his perceived bad things over struggling with another 15 years + of King/Simms/Grad/Griese/Freeman while looking for the next P Manning.

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      I think it goes beyond simply not believing in him. They are unwilling to even give him a SECOND chance , and go out of their way to ridicule him.This is what bugs the more reasonable posters.

      I fixed it for you.

      Exactly. Glennon is getting a second chance. It's just that a career backup journeyman is smoking him.

      You mean Lovie Smith's comfort zone, instead of handing a set of keys over to a 2nd year qb, and gambling his job on that 2nd year qb. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Lovie wants to see what Glennon has, but is making damn sure that his backside is protected by bringing in a guy he knows personally. Lovie is smart to do this, that way he can see if Glennon has the tools, or if they need to bring in McCown's replacement in a year or two who isn't named Glennon.

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      I think it goes beyond simply not believing in him. They are unwilling to even give him a SECOND chance , and go out of their way to ridicule him.This is what bugs the more reasonable posters.

      I fixed it for you.

      Exactly. Glennon is getting a second chance. It's just that a career backup journeyman is smoking him.

      You mean Lovie Smith's comfort zone, instead of handing a set of keys over to a 2nd year qb, and gambling his job on that 2nd year qb. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Lovie wants to see what Glennon has, but is making damn sure that his backside is protected by bringing in a guy he knows personally. Lovie is smart to do this, that way he can see if Glennon has the tools, or if they need to bring in McCown's replacement in a year or two who isn't named Glennon.

      Not to mention Glennon is cheap.

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    • Anonymous

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      I think it goes beyond simply not believing in him. They are unwilling to even give him a SECOND chance , and go out of their way to ridicule him.This is what bugs the more reasonable posters.

      I fixed it for you.

      Exactly. Glennon is getting a second chance. It's just that a career backup journeyman is smoking him.

      You mean Lovie Smith's comfort zone, instead of handing a set of keys over to a 2nd year qb, and gambling his job on that 2nd year qb. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Lovie wants to see what Glennon has, but is making damn sure that his backside is protected by bringing in a guy he knows personally. Lovie is smart to do this, that way he can see if Glennon has the tools, or if they need to bring in McCown's replacement in a year or two who isn't named Glennon.

      Yes, Lovie was not comfortable with Glennon so he brought in someone who was better than him last year and is better than him right now.

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      If Lovie wasn’t comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes. 

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Yes, Akeem Spence is still here, too, but we're probably not going to be seeing much of him. The plan is for McCown to play 3-4 years. There's no reason to spend another draft pick on a backup QB when we just used one on Glennon. We didn't draft a new backup nose tackle, either.

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Yes, Akeem Spence is still here, too, but we're probably not going to be seeing much of him. The plan is for McCown to play 3-4 years. There's no reason to spend another draft pick on a backup QB when we just used one on Glennon. We didn't draft a new backup nose tackle, either.

      No - the plan is to trade Glennon and use the 7th pick in the 2014 draft  on the QB of the future.

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Yes, Akeem Spence is still here, too, but we're probably not going to be seeing much of him. The plan is for McCown to play 3-4 years. There's no reason to spend another draft pick on a backup QB when we just used one on Glennon. We didn't draft a new backup nose tackle, either.

      No - the plan is to trade Glennon and use the 7th pick in the 2014 draft  on the QB of the future.

      Obviously that plan upset a lot of experts on the board.

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

      That's great logic there. Hand the keys to someone who hasn't earned it yet, or else....

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    • gobucs123

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Common sense , but FRG mad.

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Common sense , but FRG mad.

      Yeah, but with Glennon, Lovie has a very cheap and solid backup QB if McCown goes down or completely sh*ts the bed. He won't lose you many games, but he won't win you many either.

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    • gobucs123

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Common sense , but FRG mad.

      Yeah, but with Glennon, Lovie has a very cheap and solid backup QB if McCown goes down or completely sh*ts the bed. He won't lose you many games, but he won't win you many either.

      That remains to be seen . Give a rook a chance. He did better than most when thrown to the wolves. He holds a couple rookie TD records to prove it.

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      If Lovie wasn't comfortable with Glennon, I think there would have been a draft pick of a qb or a better free agent then a camp arm named KafkaLovie had no hesitation with jettisoning players he didn't want or didn't fit what he wants to do. The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      Common sense , but FRG mad.

      Yeah, but with Glennon, Lovie has a very cheap and solid backup QB if McCown goes down or completely sh*ts the bed. He won't lose you many games, but he won't win you many either.

      That remains to be seen . Give a rook a chance. He did better than most when thrown to the wolves. He holds a couple rookie TD records to prove it.

      He's not a rook and he's been given a chance. He's been given a second chance by being put in the position to beat out McCown (who supposedly looks like the superior QB at this point after OTA's). I hope he succeeds. I hope he proves everyone wrong. I'm just not betting on it. It's the Glennonites (specifically Mike's 2 little sisters, Calico and Bass) who think he should be handed the starting job. Why? Go out and earn it. You beat out McCown, then the keys to the kingdom are all yours. And hopefully the franchise will be all the better for it.

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      I take a different view of it . I want McCown to start this year . I think holding a clipboard and hitting the weight room/film room hard for another year will do wonders for Mike.I think Lovie and Tedford agree with me.

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      I take a different view of it . I want McCown to start this year . I think holding a clipboard and hitting the weight room/film room hard for another year will do wonders for Mike.I think Lovie and Tedford agree with me.

      Definitely. He looks skinnier this year. My 9-year-old could arm tackle him.

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      Dude is looking a tad anorexic. Hope he didn’t catch freemanitus.

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      I take a different view of it . I want McCown to start this year . I think holding a clipboard and hitting the weight room/film room hard for another year will do wonders for Mike.I think Lovie and Tedford agree with me.

      Definitely. He looks skinnier this year. My 9-year-old could arm tackle him.

      Dude took a beating last season and held up just fine. What's the deal with him being skinny and hating him for it? This is why a lot of folks think that the haters on this board hold his looks against him. Truth.

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      I take a different view of it . I want McCown to start this year . I think holding a clipboard and hitting the weight room/film room hard for another year will do wonders for Mike.I think Lovie and Tedford agree with me.

      Definitely. He looks skinnier this year. My 9-year-old could arm tackle him.

      Dude took a beating last season and held up just fine. What's the deal with him being skinny and hating him for it? This is why a lot of folks think that the haters on this board hold his looks against him. Truth.

      So, let me get this straight. Because I think he looks like he's lost weight, I'm a hater? Got it.  ::)

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

      to not be all gung ho about the back up QB? LOL....you're kidding right?

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      The fact that Glennon is still here speaks volumes.

      yup.....either they like him or really didn't like the other options, but definitely one of the two.

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

      to not be all gung ho about the back up QB? LOL....you're kidding right?

      Don't need to be gung ho about the QB of the Future... but "fans" should be supportive.

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

      to not be all gung ho about the back up QB? LOL....you're kidding right?

      Don't need to be gung ho about the QB of the Future... but "fans" should be supportive.

      i support the Bucs with my money, 20 + years running.

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    • Anonymous

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

      to not be all gung ho about the back up QB? LOL....you're kidding right?

      Don't need to be gung ho about the QB of the Future... but "fans" should be supportive.

      i support the Bucs with my money, 20 + years running.

      I've heard from several fans that they quit doing that because of the d-bag fans...

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you’re a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

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      I've heard from several fans that they quit doing that because of the d-bag fans...

      most likely a fair-weathered bunch that thought it was the 'in' thing to do in the first place

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

      well then, I guess according to you not supporting Glennon adds you to the existing d-bag fanbase ... lol ... wow

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    • Anonymous

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

      well then, I guess according to you not supporting Glennon adds you to the existing d-bag fanbase ... lol ... wow

      Support your Bucs or don't... simple, really.

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

      well then, I guess according to you not supporting Glennon adds you to the existing d-bag fanbase ... lol ... wow

      Support your Bucs or don't... simple, really.

      yep, and you're  the judge ... simple, really

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    • Anonymous

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

      well then, I guess according to you not supporting Glennon adds you to the existing d-bag fanbase ... lol ... wow

      Support your Bucs or don't... simple, really.

      you do know its possible to support the team without agreeing with every move they make.....riiiiight??

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    • Anonymous

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

      well then, I guess according to you not supporting Glennon adds you to the existing d-bag fanbase ... lol ... wow

      Support your Bucs or don't... simple, really.

      you do know its possible to support the team without agreeing with every move they make.....riiiiight??

      not possible - that makes you a d-bag

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    • Anonymous

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      lol, if you dont support Glennon you're a d-bag fan who drives away fans? huh

      Fans have been d-bags long before Glennon arrived... Blackouts, too.

      well then, I guess according to you not supporting Glennon adds you to the existing d-bag fanbase ... lol ... wow

      Support your Bucs or don't... simple, really.

      you do know its possible to support the team without agreeing with every move they make.....riiiiight??

      Also possible to disagree without constantly trashing them for it...

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      Wow! So this is what we’ve come to? Don’t support Glennon and you’re not a Buc’s fan and a dbag.

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    • Anonymous

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      Wow! So this is what we've come to? Don't support Glennon and you're not a Buc's fan and a dbag.

      I do enjoy the comedy during the off-season

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      I just remember the same d-bag isht going on back when Doug Williams caught way too much because of how he looked.  When he broke his jaw, he was soft… Then, he won a Super Bowl.

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      Wow! So this is what we've come to? Don't support Glennon and you're not a Buc's fan and a dbag.

      I do enjoy the comedy during the off-season

      Pathetic if you ask me...

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    • Anonymous

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      I dont get personality-driven fandom when its a team sport.  Some here are so focused on a player that you’d swear they would want the Bucs to lose rather than be wrong about their boy.  Weird

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      Isn’t it, tho’…

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    • Anonymous

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      I dont get personality-driven fandom when its a team sport.  Some here are so focused on a player that you'd swear they would want the Bucs to lose rather than be wrong about their boy.  Weird

      Shh...Glennon's little sisters are still up!

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      lol

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      @PewterReport:Veteran #Bucs player told me last week that QB @JoshMcCown12 came in and owned the offense from Day 1. Players responding to his leadership.Having confidence in your leader does wonders and THIS is why we'll win more games this year.

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      @PewterReport:Veteran #Bucs player told me last week that QB @JoshMcCown12 came in and owned the offense from Day 1. Players responding to his leadership.Having confidence in your leader does wonders and THIS is why we'll win more games this year.

      You're a dbag.  :P

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    • Anonymous

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      For me, when watching Glennon, I feel like he lacks that killer instinct that guys like Kap and Wilson have. He just doesn't feel like a dude who goes for the jugular.

      not even close

      Hate positions Glennon as some robotic idiot incapable of learning anything new.  He's tall enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  His arm is strong enough to play QB in the NFL - so that's not the issue.  He's shown that he is accurate enough to play in the NFL - so that's not the issue. He's intelligent and works super hard to improve - so that's not the issue.    If last year was his third of fourth year in the league I would have concerns but to think he's reached his ceiling and can't learn different styles of play is really small minded and speaks to something other than "I dont like his game".

      trying to understand your point. Glennon is on the team and getting his shot, so are you saying he should be the starter?  I mean, if you are right about him he will be, right? Its a sport, he gets to prove himself on the field, so what difference does it make if some other posters don't believe in the guy right now?

      It makes for a d-bag fanbase.

      to not be all gung ho about the back up QB? LOL....you're kidding right?

      Don't need to be gung ho about the QB of the Future... but "fans" should be supportive.

      i support the Bucs with my money, 20 + years running.

      I've heard from several fans that they quit doing that because of the d-bag fans...

      Can we reserve the childish "D-bag" fan base banter for groups that pelt players, sometimes their own, with batteries, dog bones or snowballs packed with rocks?  Or groups that taunt men over their dying son, or cheer for injuries? 

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    • Anonymous

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      Can we reserve the childish "D-bag" fan base banter for groups that pelt players, sometimes their own, with batteries, dog bones or snowballs packed with rocks?  Or groups that taunt men over their dying son, or cheer for injuries?

      give him his moment......let him have his fun

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    • Anonymous

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      @PewterReport:Veteran #Bucs player told me last week that QB @JoshMcCown12 came in and owned the offense from Day 1. Players responding to his leadership.Having confidence in your leader does wonders and THIS is why we'll win more games this year.

      I really, really hope you're right. We haven't had a true leader at the QB position since Garcia.

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    • Anonymous

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      I take a different view of it . I want McCown to start this year . I think holding a clipboard and hitting the weight room/film room hard for another year will do wonders for Mike.I think Lovie and Tedford agree with me.

      Definitely. He looks skinnier this year. My 9-year-old could arm tackle him.

      Dude took a beating last season and held up just fine. What's the deal with him being skinny and hating him for it? This is why a lot of folks think that the haters on this board hold his looks against him. Truth.

      So, let me get this straight. Because I think he looks like he's lost weight, I'm a hater? Got it.  ::)

      We all know that's not what you said, nor was that your intent based on your claim that you're child could tackle him. His physique is just another in a long list of shortsighted opinions on his value as a QB.

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    • Anonymous

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      @PewterReport:Veteran #Bucs player told me last week that QB @JoshMcCown12 came in and owned the offense from Day 1. Players responding to his leadership.Having confidence in your leader does wonders and THIS is why we'll win more games this year.

      I really, really hope you're right. We haven't had a true leader at the QB position since Garcia.

      Hope you're right as well. Just wondering how quickly that confidence will fade if he doesn't have a hot start. Pretty stout defenses to start the year.

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        “Because I think he looks like he’s lost weight, I’m a hater?”No, but saying idiotic crap like "my nine year old could arm tackle him" certainly indicates that your position is heavily biased by petty emotion.

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