I really don’t want the Bucs to bring back AB. I think he kept his head on straight this year because he knew he had to if we wanted to make his money.
Just watching the body language of some of his teammates after his TDs, not seeing him celebrate with his teammates at the parade, knowing his history, and the fact there is a civil trial coming up that could reveal some horrible things to the public – I’m really concerned about the idea of him getting any amount of guranteed money.
I think Evans-Godwin-Scotty- Improved 2nd year TJ, and Gronk is the way to go. When you have 5 weapons like that I think it makes sense to focus on Shaq and/or David rather than Brown.
If AB wants to come back for cheap, then sure… but he’s a luxury at this point. The priority should be extending Godwin, Shaq and LVD. I’d rather give AB’s money to Suh if I’m completely honest.
I’m more then comfortable rolling with Evans, Godwin, Tyler Johnson and Scotty Miller. We’ve seen Brady’s been more comfortable in 12 personnel anyways. Not many teams in the league have a receiving corps deep like we had this season.
Godwin shouldn’t have to be franchised. Team should feel comfortable giving him a big signing bonus and guaranteed base salaries because you know he’s going to produce for the next 5+ years.
Barrett is the one to tag because there’s 20+ years history of pass rushers who only produced on contract years reverting back to their non-contract year production once they get paid. Demarcus Lawrence is the most recent example: 5 sacks in 2019, 6.5 sacks in 2020, making $25M in 2021.
Maybe I should have said we won our last 7 games with him playing. Brady targeted him a lot. It was obviously working. Several of those games we scored in the 40s. I’m not trying to pit him against any other WR on the rooster. I want to keep them all. And if he is willing to sign cheap why not?
This stuff isn’t hard to find. Maybe you should look it up so as not to appear so biased.
Godwin is easily in the top 5 discussion.
(My personal list Hopkins, Julio, Adams, Thomas, Godwin,) An argument for Hill, Metcalf, K. Allen could be made
Easily, eh? Where is Mike Evans – the team’s actual #1 WR? Or Diggs?
I agree Godwin should be in the top-10 discussion, but not top-5. Again, I’m guessing mostly Tampa homers are making that argument.
Seems a lot of other teams out there would be on the phone with large deals if the Godwin hit free agency.
Of course they would, as Godwin is a fantastic player. Do you think I’m saying otherwise just because he isn’t a top-5 WR? I like Godwin a lot, but I’m not a mindless homer. I take my opinions and balance them against factual data.
Just looking at the numbers this year don’t show Godwin’s true value. This isn’t moneyball.
Godwin was killing it last year in most stat categories before missing the last 2 games. A couple squeaked passed him in week 16, my bad he ended up top 3 not top 2.
PFF rated him the 2nd WR last year. I guess they interpret 2019 stats differently than you.
Godwin is a better WR than Evans. Evans has done it for longer but Godwin is a game changer that is hard to shut down.
You have to keep Godwin. Think about our situation without him. Evans is tough as nails, but he’s aging and known to get injuries. He plays hurt, but he’s still hurt. And AB is still AB. He’s not some other body. You can’t put too many of your eggs in that basket or you’ll get burned. If you ride with Evans and Brown you could find yourself with a problem at WR really quick.
Godwin is a #1 receiver in his prime. Whatever else happens at that position if you have Godwin you are still in good shape. From here forward Godwin, Wirfs and Brady are what makes the offense go. You have to keep Godwin. You have just a little bit of leverage by holding the tag over his head, so get something done.
Because of his snap counts. In 2017 and 2018 the team had Jackson and Humphries still. When Jackson didn’t play he had 98+ yards in 4 of 6 games. Then in 2019 it’s his time and he goes nuts. In 2020 he pulls a hamstring, gets a concussion and break a finger in the first 7 weeks of the season.
I heard them talking about OBJ coming to tampa if we can’t retain some guys on offense. Him, Brown and Evans wouldn’t be fair either. I hope we bring back Godwin though. Loved what BA was saying to all ufas you aint going nowhere lol!
Bucs fans overrate him. He is without a question a great player but he is not top 10.
Godwin hasnt even had a full season of starting every game. He stays on the injury report, and not only that has ONE thousand yard season to his name. Yet I still see ridiculous figures being posted.
Top 5 in the NFL is pretty crazy. Let’s just focus on the NFC South. You have Mike Evans, Julio Jones, and Michael Thomas 1-2-3, whatever order you want to put them in. Here are the first three NFL seasons for the next NFC South WR’s:
Player A: 217 receptions on 328 targets, 3,061 yards, 14.1 YPA, and 26 TD’s
Player B: 178 receptions on 272 targets, 2,700 yards, 15.2 YPA, and 16 TD’s
Player C: 208 receptions on 335 targets, 3,156 yards, 15.2 YPA, and 10 TD’s
Which WR’s are #4 and #5 in the NFC South on your list? I’d take A and B.
Neither for the price. Godwin did not improve this season at all, injured, problem with drops….AB is a flake, still is you can tell from his interviews, something is off and completely unreliable. Tyler Johnson and a decent “I want to redeem myself with Brady” free agent can replace both at a fraction of the cost.
I think they both stay. Brown trusts Brady and there will not be too much interest in him from elsewhere. I think Brown will sign a fairly modest incentive laden contract. Godwin will be looking for north of $15 million a year but that can easily be achieved with a $9-10 million can hit hit two seasons. Should be able to get both of them signed up for a $12-14 million cap hit next season.
It depends on other guys. Godwin is 24 and a one of the ‘must keeps’.
But if it costs us Shaq off the dline? Well, a guy who put up nearly 100 pressures right next Aaron Donald with no other pass rushers going over 75 would be the biggest blow to lose off all. If it costs us Lavonte? No.
Godwin is the most replaceable guy off the big 3 – Shaq, Lavonte, Godwin. Tyler Johnson can play a bigger role easily. Who replaces Shaq or Lavonte? No one can.
Do I want to keep Godwin? Desperately. Licht will need to get create with the cap by restructuring guys, backloading contracts and/or cutting replaceable players.
How many other teams out there want to invite the circus clown freak psycho show that Brown brings? I think the market for him will be low, and possibly zero. Brady seems to be able to rangle him in during the season, Brown must know that.
I think if Brown plays in the NFL next year, it will be with Brady and the Bucs. Brown knows that Brady keeps him in line, and will sign with the Bucs on a team friendly, but fair deal.
If it comes down to Godwin and Brown, you have to pay Godwin and let AB test the waters. You can never, NEVER rely on Brown to be suiting up because you just never know what he’ll be doing in the off season to self destruct.
Pay Godwin, sign Brown at a big discount, issue solved.