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      Way Too Early 2015 NFL Mock Draft by Sayre Bedinger 3 minutes ago    RSSearly_zpsde699cd1.gif The 2014 NFL Draft just ended a month ago. Why are we even remotely thinking about the 2015 NFL Draft? Perhaps it’s just in our nature, or the fact that the NFL season is starting up again soon. Or maybe it was the long draft season that beat it into us that all that matters in life is, in fact, the NFL Draft. That, and it’s just plain fun to speculate. A lot will surely change between now and next year’s draft, but the top prospects will largely stay the same and most of the bad teams will probably still be, well, bad teams. With that, let’s use last year’s draft order and see where the chips fall: 1. Houston Texans – Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon Ryan Fitzpatrick isn’t the answer under center and neither is Tom Savage. Houston will find that out and while they might not be right back here at the top spot, they could be low enough to grab a solid franchise passer. Mariota will surely be near the top of their list. 2. Washington Redskins – Landon Collins, S, Alabama This is a pretty high reach for safety, but this insanely early mock is more about team needs than anything else. Ryan Clark is a stop-gap for 2014 but he’s ancient and they’ll need safety help going forward. Collins is it. 3. Jacksonville Jaguars – Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska Unlike the Texans, the Jags have their quarterback and have done a ton of good work on the offensive side of the football. It’s time to boost that pass rush with Gregory, easily one of the elite pass rushers in the country. 4. Cleveland Browns – Leonard Williams, DE, USC Cleveland won’t reach for wide receiver help this early, so they might as well keep plugging away at their solid defense. Williams is a stud so he just adds to the dept and helps make them even better. 5. Oakland Raiders – Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State Oakland has revamped both sides of the ball, but one of the glaring needs is going to be up front at defensive tackle. Bennett is a beast who could slide in as a perfect fit. 6. Atlanta Falcons – Vic Beasley, DE, Clemson Atlanta got a stud offensive tackle at this spot last year. They won’t be this bad again, but either way they’ll be in the market again for elite pass rushing help. Beasly probably won’t be available when they do end up picking, but if he is they’ll gladly snatch him up. 7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State Winston supposedly won’t enter the 2015 NFL Draft, but I’ll believe it when I see it. The Bucs seem to like Mike Glennon, but more than Winston? I’ll believe that when I see it, too. 8. Minnesota Vikings – Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia Say, what? Yeah, it’s a bold move, but Adrian Peterson will be 30 next year and the end will come eventually. Taking Gurley now could prompt the impossible in trading away Peterson and at the very least would give the Vikes a nice option to transition away from riding Peterson “All Day” long. 9. Cleveland Browns (via Bills) – Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama Here’s the reach. Josh Gordon is awesome but he’s clearly tough to trust and his next suspension could be his last. The Browns have little exciting talent beyond him at receiver and Cooper is the best pass-catcher in this draft class. 10. Detroit Lions – Nelson Agholor, WR, USC Golden Tate may not prove to be a long-term #2 option, while the more talented Agholor could just push him to be the third option. Detroit continues to add talent to help out Megatron here. 11. Tennessee Titans – Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA Jake Locker is in a contract year and needs a miracle to stick in town, so there’s a pretty good chance the Titans start over under center in 2015. Hundley would be the perfect candidate to start from scratch with, as he brings a big arm and nice athleticism to the table. 12. New York Giants – Cedric Ogbuhei, OT, Texas A&M Ogbuhei could go a little earlier and the Giants may look at a pass rusher or tight end here, but he’s a stud and teams can always use tackles. 13. St. Louis Rams – Jaelen Strong, WR, Oklahoma State The Rams may find out the hard way this year that they need to spend a first round pick at wide receiver again. Tavon Austin could be awesome in the slot, but they still don’t have a reliable guy outside. Strong could be that guy. 14. Chicago Bears – Mario Edwards, DT, Florida State Edwards might be a slight reach here, but his stock could easily soar, as well. The Bears made some adjustments to their porous defensive line but they could be in the market for a long-term option in 2015. 15. Pittsburgh Steelers – Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford The Steelers can always use stud tackle help, so Peat makes a ton of sense. He could easily go earlier, but for their sake, hopefully he slides a bit to them. 16. Dallas Cowboys – Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State Dallas needs to just keep adding talented bodies on defense. They’ve made an effort to repair their defensive line, but could still use more help. Calhoun should give them immediate help and is at the worst solid depth as a rook. 17. Baltimore Ravens – Cameron Erving, OT, Florida State The Ravens have addressed their line pretty well but come next year they shouldn’t have too many glaring holes. Beefing up the line with a stud like Erving would be wise for Joe Flacco’s protection. 18. New York Jets – P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State New York has Dee Milliner and not much else at corner so Rex Ryan will want to track one down in the first round. The top corner should fluctuate a bit by the time the draft rolls around but Williams is definitely in that discussion. 19. Miami Dolphins – Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin Knowshon Moreno is looking like a free agent bust and Lamar Miller might not be more than a change of pace option. If Miami believes this, they could make a splash in the first round, where the talented Gordon could be a good pick. 20. Arizona Cardinals – Dante Fowler, DE, Florida Arizona should continue to add pass-rushing talent. Fowler may not be a perfect fit for their 3-4 system, but he’s immensely talented and can get after the quarterback. At worst, he could fulfill a strict pass rushing role early on. 21. Green Bay Packers – Devin Funchess, TE, Michigan Green Bay could easily keep building up their shaky defense, but if they still don’t have a quality replacement for Jermichael Finley, why not take a stab at the athletic Funchess? 22. Philadelphia Eagles – Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State The flooding of cornerbacks in the first round could get pretty ridiculous, while Philly flat-out needs help in the secondary. 23. Kansas City Chiefs – KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame KC just dropped Brandon Flowers so they might target some extra corner help for their secondary. Russell’s stock could fluctuate a bit but he’s easily one of the more talented corners in this draft class. 24. Cincinnati Bengals – La’El Collins, OL, LSU Cincy continues to beef up their offensive line depth here with a stud o-line product. Collins has the versatility to help on both the inside and out, so he could be the ideal pick. 25. San Diego Chargers – Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon San Diego has improved in the secondary but they might want to keep adding solid talent. Ekpre-Olomu would be a nice get around this point in round one. 26. Indianapolis Colts – Cedric Reed, OLB, Texas Indy is aging in the pass rush department and Bjoern Werner isn’t a lock to make an impact. They also could use corner help, but it’s time they added more help on the outside of their 3-4 system. 27. New Orleans Saints – Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State Champ Bailey might be starting for the Saints at corner this year. Yeah, they need cornerback help. 28. Carolina Panthers – Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa Carolina could add another weapon to the passing game here, but they still could use depth on the offensive line. 29. New England Patriots – T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama This is a classic Patriots pick, as they catch an elite talent falling a bit further than they probably should. Shane Vereen is always hurt and Stevan Ridley always fumbles. It may be time for fresh blood at running back in New England next year. 30. San Francisco 49ers – Nick O’Leary, TE, Florida State Vernon Davis is going to be a free agent and is already talking holdout. San Fran could decide to move on with O’Leary paired up with Vance McDonald. 31. Denver Broncos – Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor Peyton Manning will be 38 and closing in on the end. If Denver isn’t totally sold on Brock Osweiler, they could consider thinking about the future here and grabbing a potentially elite franchise passer in Petty. 32. Seattle Seahawks – Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Eastern Illinois The rich get richer. Green-Beckham is easily a top-10 talent, but he’s sure to plummet due to character concerns. Seattle will just snatch him up with the last pick of the draft and strengthen their offense even more.link

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      We have absolutely zero chance of landing him.Let's see...Baseball...making MORE for less, ....or play for the bucs with less money and more promise of injury? I think we already did this??But seriously, IF they have to draft a qb, I'm hoping it's mariota.

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      Lovie doesn’t like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He’d never make it through the interview process.

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      Lovie doesn't like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He'd never make it through the interview process.

      LOL...+1  :P

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      We’ve had our share of head case QB’s.  No thanks.

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      Lovie doesn't like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He'd never make it through the interview process.

      He never loses.  Every struggling coach/GM would love to have him under center. 

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      We are set at QB for the next decade barring injury. 

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      haha taiwanese news storyhttp://blacktopxchange.com/2014/05/07/crabgate-2014-jameis-winston-crab-legs-incident-gets-treatment-taiwanese-animators-video/

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      Ugh, dude can’t play but I don’t want a punk under center. If he cleans up his act and is a choir boy, sure…. but if he continues down this road there’s too much risk to use a high first rounder on him.

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      We have absolutely zero chance of landing him.Let's see...Baseball...making MORE for less, ....or play for the bucs with less money and more promise of injury? I think we already did this??But seriously, IF they have to draft a qb, I'm hoping it's mariota.

      He has a limited to no shot at baseball.

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      We are set at backup QB for the next decade barring injury.

      FIFY

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      We have absolutely zero chance of landing him.Let's see...Baseball...making MORE for less, ....or play for the bucs with less money and more promise of injury? I think we already did this??But seriously, IF they have to draft a qb, I'm hoping it's mariota.

      He has a limited to no shot at baseball.

      Exactly.  He's a nice college player - he's no pro. Mariotta isn't in the same stratosphere as Winston at the pro level.  So, dont hope Mariotta.

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      We are set at QB for the next decade barring injury.

      McCown isn't going to make it that long.

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      We are set at backup QB for the next decade barring injury.

      FIFY

      You are going to be soooooooo pissed. 

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    • Anonymous

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      We are set at backup QB for the next decade barring injury.

      FIFY

      You are going to be soooooooo pissed.

      He's playing the odds. Tampa is batting a 100% chance at failure for drafted QB's right now. Who wouldn't play those odds......besides you? We'd be thrilled if a drafted QB broke that record and succeeded but there's no history of it ever happening so people aren't holding their breaths.

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      We are set at backup QB for the next decade barring injury.

      FIFY

      You are going to be soooooooo pissed.

      He's playing the odds. Tampa is batting a 100% chance at failure for drafted QB's right now. Who wouldn't play those odds......besides you?

      Glennon is the wrong guy to bet against. Simple as that.

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      We have absolutely zero chance of landing him.Let's see...Baseball...making MORE for less, ....or play for the bucs with less money and more promise of injury? I think we already did this??But seriously, IF they have to draft a qb, I'm hoping it's mariota.

      He has a limited to no shot at baseball.

      Exactly.  He's a nice college player - he's no pro. Mariotta isn't in the same stratosphere as Winston at the pro level.  So, dont hope Mariotta.

      The funny thing is, playing baseball this year actually killed his baseball stock.  He got more playing time in the field than expected and totally stunk... basically eliminating the possibility of being an outfielder.  He may still have a shot at pitching, but having only 2 pitches and topping out at 94, and only being a closer limits his ceiling.  He was a 15th round pick a few years ago... if next year is similar, he may not even be drafted in the 30th round.

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      We are set at backup QB for the next decade barring injury.

      FIFY

      You are going to be soooooooo pissed.

      He's playing the odds. Tampa is batting a 100% chance at failure for drafted QB's right now. Who wouldn't play those odds......besides you?

      Glennon is the wrong guy to bet against. Simple as that.

      Based on what? Steve Young has multiple rings but failed here. He was the right yet wrong guy to bet against. Glennon might be the next Tom Brady just like you think but there's no history of that happening in Tampa.

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      The funny thing is, playing baseball this year actually killed his baseball stock.  He got more playing time in the field than expected and totally stunk... basically eliminating the possibility of being an outfielder.  He may still have a shot at pitching, but having only 2 pitches and topping out at 94, and only being a closer limits his ceiling.  He was a 15th round pick a few years ago... if next year is similar, he may not even be drafted in the 30th round.

      It's an uphill battle in baseball, not so much in football.  I think it will be an easy decision for him.

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      On topic though, I think if Glennon and/or McCown don’t turn out as planned, a long playoff run is possible.  Personally, I think McCown is a decent backup and shouldn’t play any more than filler duty or spot starts.  Glennon isn’t all that good… or bad.  I’d say that at this point in time he’s a 6-10 QB with potential.  So, if one or the other don’t pan out as planned, I’m thinking that this team goes 11-5 and possibly a shot at the NFC Championship game.

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      We are set at backup QB for the next decade barring injury.

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      You are going to be soooooooo pissed.

      He's playing the odds. Tampa is batting a 100% chance at failure for drafted QB's right now. Who wouldn't play those odds......besides you?

      Glennon is the wrong guy to bet against. Simple as that.

      Based on what? Steve Young has multiple rings but failed here. He was the right yet wrong guy to bet against. Glennon might be the next Tom Brady just like you think but there's no history of that happening in Tampa.

      Steve Young has one ring really.  I hear you, I just think Lovie is the right hire at the right time.  Logical, even keeled, expects perfection but coaches it doesn't just shout it.  We are in a new era and Glennon will be a big part of it I believe.

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      The funny thing is, playing baseball this year actually killed his baseball stock.  He got more playing time in the field than expected and totally stunk... basically eliminating the possibility of being an outfielder.  He may still have a shot at pitching, but having only 2 pitches and topping out at 94, and only being a closer limits his ceiling.  He was a 15th round pick a few years ago... if next year is similar, he may not even be drafted in the 30th round.

      It's an uphill battle in baseball, not so much in football.  I think it will be an easy decision for him.

      Exactly.  Plus, the money will be higher for football than baseball.  Unless Winston is a top 3 pick (and there's absolutely no chance in hell that he will be - unless next year he's a complete beast), there's no way he'll make more in baseball than football.

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    • brycen54

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        “I think it will be an easy decision for him.”Steal the crab legs or don't steal the crab legs - also an easy decision. Making decisions just does not seem to be this little peckerhead's strong suit.

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        "I think it will be an easy decision for him."Steal the crab legs or don't steal the crab legs - also an easy decision. Making decisions just does not seem to be this little peckerhead's strong suit.

      Look, you can turn this into a "FSU Sucks!" thread if you want  to.  I agree he's made some dumb decisions but I dont think he's a bad guy and I do believe he's going to be a super pro. 

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      Did it appear to you that FSU took the air out of the ball to beat Auburn?

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        "I think it will be an easy decision for him."Steal the crab legs or don't steal the crab legs - also an easy decision. Making decisions just does not seem to be this little peckerhead's strong suit.

      Look, you can turn this into a "FSU Sucks!" thread if you want  to.  I agree he's made some dumb decisions but I dont think he's a bad guy and I do believe he's going to be a super pro.

      Did FSU force Winston to steal the crablegs? I'm not sure how him making dumb choices is showing the ability to make good decisions. Maybe he'll grow up, but he seems like a guy who isn't going to be smart with his choices or money

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    • brycen54

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      I don't give a crap about FSU, or Florida, or Miami. They all suck as far as I'm concerned. Point is, Winston has displayed poor decision making skills, and is likely to continue doing so.

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      I don't give a crap about FSU, or Florida, or Miami. They all suck as far as I'm concerned. Point is, Winston has displayed poor decision making skills, and is likely to continue doing so.

      What are you basing future bad decisions on?  .............this should be interesting.

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      Maybe his current track record of making sh*tty decisions so far.

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    • brycen54

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      10lbbass:  "What are you basing future bad decisions on?  .............this should be interesting."Aren't you that same idiot who "knows" how the future QB competition will play out?Ironic, no?

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      10lbbass:  "What are you basing future bad decisions on?  .............this should be interesting."Aren't you that same idiot who "knows" how the future QB competition will play out?Ironic, no?

      Completely different and no, it's not ironic.  Love the idiot comment though. Touching.  There's a huge difference in predicting a QB will improve between season and season two.  And the prediction that a person will continue to make bad decisions off the field.  In the first prediction, you are looking at work ethic, growth, first year ability to play the position, better healthier offensive pieces and a new scheme that should produce more with the pieces we have. In the second, you are basically betting that an individual with the microscope on him, doesn't have the ability to learn from his mistakes and will continue to be a petty thief.  Small.

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      I think people are missing the point of what I typed.In baseball, he can be a nobody and still make guaranteed money. About as much as an average starting qb pay to boot.I agree that he's better suited for football athletically, but let's be real here. IF he can make as much as a football player, without the injuries that coincide with playing football..he is probably going to take it.Besides those limiting factors, you'd have to get past lovie, who dealt with arrogant/diabetes-boy cutler at one time.Then, there are also the facts that 1) we aren't going to be drafting that early, and 2) some other team with extra picks would probably throw the boat at him (or just simply pick him if they're awful enough).

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      PLAY BAD FOR MR. CRABS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      I think people are missing the point of what I typed.In baseball, he can be a nobody and still make guaranteed money. About as much as an average starting qb pay to boot.I agree that he's better suited for football athletically, but let's be real here. IF he can make as much as a football player, without the injuries that coincide with playing football..he is probably going to take it.

      John Lynch sure as hell didn't.

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      I could see us at the bottom is McCown turns into Matt Flynn  or Kevin Kolb 2.0.

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      I could see us at the bottom is McCown turns into Matt Flynn 2.0.

      In that case Glennon would be called into action so he would have to whiff as well to be at the bottom.

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      I could see us at the bottom is McCown turns into Matt Flynn  or Kevin Kolb 2.0.

      No doubt there is a better chance of that happening than him being the next Rich Gannon.

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        “There’s a huge difference in predicting a QB will improve between season and season two.”Is that what you predicted? For some reason everyone seems to be under the impression you guaranteed that Glennon would not not just be better, but would win the QB competition. Not sure how that happened.

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      I think people are missing the point of what I typed.In baseball, he can be a nobody and still make guaranteed money. About as much as an average starting qb pay to boot.I agree that he's better suited for football athletically, but let's be real here. IF he can make as much as a football player, without the injuries that coincide with playing football..he is probably going to take it.

      John Lynch sure as hell didn't.

      Different times, different positions.The new cba does not work in JW's favor. Instead of making 40+million, he would be making 10 or less. Almoat the same amount to play baseball in a crappy position.And lets face it, lynch was 10 times the man JW will probably ever be. Guys like JW have been grown to believe they should get the best deal, not follow their hearts. In today's society, money trumps everything.

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        "There's a huge difference in predicting a QB will improve between season and season two."Is that what you predicted? For some reason everyone seems to be under the impression you guaranteed that Glennon would not not just be better, but would win the QB competition. Not sure how that happened.

      He can't improve on the bench so, yes, I am guaranteeing that he wins the starting job. 

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      I find it ironic that someone on here is quick to berate Manziel’s off the field behavior, yet gives Winston a pass. Weird stuff.

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      I think people are missing the point of what I typed.In baseball, he can be a nobody and still make guaranteed money. About as much as an average starting qb pay to boot.I agree that he's better suited for football athletically, but let's be real here. IF he can make as much as a football player, without the injuries that coincide with playing football..he is probably going to take it.Besides those limiting factors, you'd have to get past lovie, who dealt with arrogant/diabetes-boy cutler at one time.Then, there are also the facts that 1) we aren't going to be drafting that early, and 2) some other team with extra picks would probably throw the boat at him (or just simply pick him if they're awful enough).

      No he can't.Let's say he gets drafted as the first pick in the 2nd round in next years MLB draft (after the year he just had - that's exceedingly overly optimistic), that signing bonus is $1.35M.  Say he plays 2 years in the minors - 1 year in AA and 1 in AAA.  Year 1 (AA) will pay him about  $1,500 per month (average season is about 5 months... starting in April.  He won't start until late June), so that year, he'll make about $4,500.  Year 2 (AAA), he'll make about $2,100 per month totaling about $12,000.  So, from the day he gets drafted (June 6th 2015 until April 1st 2017), including his signing bonus, he'll make about $1.5M.Let's say he's good enough to make the team in April of 2017.  Year 1 at the ML level, he'll make about $450K.  Year 2, about $500K, and Year 3, about $550K. So, from June 6, 2015 to October 3, 2019, he'll make a grand total of $3M (including his $1.35M signing bonus).  To note, none of these 3 years are guaranteed.  They'll all providing he makes the team and not sent back down to the minors.He will then have 3 years of arbitration.  If he's a back end of the rotation starter, he'll probably get about $15M over the next 3 years... again, none of which are guaranteed, because he can be sent back down to the minors at any time.  His grand total salary over the next 8 years will be $18M.If he's the #5 pick the NFL draft next April, he'll get more than that in signing bonus and guaranteed money the day he signs.  He won't make big bucks in MLB until 2023.Bortles got $20M guaranteed.  Manziel got $10M guaranteed with $2M per year.  If Manziel carries a clipboard this year... and 2 years to suck, he'll make in 3 years almost what Winston would get in baseball in 8 years.  Financially, football is the way to go.To give you a frame of reference, Jeff Samardzja has made a grand total of $23 since 2007 (8 years), and that's with him signing an MLB contract from Day 1 for the Cubs to prevent him from playing football.  Winston won't get that now that MLB has a new salary structure.  Basically, there's almost no chance what-so-ever that over an 8 year period, Winston comes close to that in baseball ($16M in 3 years - what Manziel will get).

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      The guy is a little too “happy go lucky” for my taste. We just got rid of a QB  with that sort of personality.  But he is very young, and could still get it together between now and the 2015 draft. Or 2016 draft, whichever him and his Dad chooses.

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      The guy is a little too "happy go lucky" for my taste. We just got rid of a QB  with that sort of personality.  But he is very young, and could still get it together between now and the 2015 draft. Or 2016 draft, whichever him and his Dad chooses.

      So does this mean that if the Bucs do draft Winston, that we're going to have to hear the same 'he's only 21... 22... 23... 24...' bull crap again?

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      The guy is a little too "happy go lucky" for my taste. We just got rid of a QB  with that sort of personality.  But he is very young, and could still get it together between now and the 2015 draft. Or 2016 draft, whichever him and his Dad chooses.

      So does this mean that if the Bucs do draft Winston, that we're going to have to hear the same 'he's only 21... 22... 23... 24...' bull crap again?

      No, if they do draft Winston, the Bucs start winning right away.  Say what you want about him, he knows how to read defenses and win games.  His teammates love him in both baseball and football.

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      The guy is a little too "happy go lucky" for my taste. We just got rid of a QB  with that sort of personality.  But he is very young, and could still get it together between now and the 2015 draft. Or 2016 draft, whichever him and his Dad chooses.

      So does this mean that if the Bucs do draft Winston, that we're going to have to hear the same 'he's only 21... 22... 23... 24...' bull crap again?

      No, if they do draft Winston, the Bucs start winning right away.  Say what you want about him, he knows how to read defenses and win games.  His teammates love him in both baseball and football.

      Him and Glennon will bring the Buc's to the SB right? Instant ring!

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      Holy FSU homerism!

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      Holy FSU homerism!

      No, anyone who looks at Winston's skill set and knows the position would agree he's as close to can't miss at the next level as you can get. 

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      The guy is a little too "happy go lucky" for my taste. We just got rid of a QB  with that sort of personality.  But he is very young, and could still get it together between now and the 2015 draft. Or 2016 draft, whichever him and his Dad chooses.

      So does this mean that if the Bucs do draft Winston, that we're going to have to hear the same 'he's only 21... 22... 23... 24...' bull crap again?

      No, if they do draft Winston, the Bucs start winning right away.  Say what you want about him, he knows how to read defenses and win games.  His teammates love him in both baseball and football.

      Him and Glennon will bring the Buc's to the SB right? Instant ring!

      Glennon will need no assistance. 

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      Holy FSU homerism!

      No, anyone who looks at Winston's skill set and knows the position would agree he's as close to can't miss at the next level as you can get.

      Brought to you by "Start Glennon to tank for Winston".

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      Holy FSU homerism!

      No, anyone who looks at Winston's skill set and knows the position would agree he's as close to can't miss at the next level as you can get.

      Brought to you by "Start Glennon to tank for Winston".

      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

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      Holy FSU homerism!

      No, anyone who looks at Winston's skill set and knows the position would agree he's as close to can't miss at the next level as you can get.

      Brought to you by "Start Glennon to tank for Winston".

      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      The Buc's need to hire you to work for them. Who wouldn't love a guaranteed 10-6 record? Sadly you won't be here to see it if it happens since McCown will start week 1 which means you'll be history for the season. :(

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      The Buc's need to hire you to work for them. Who wouldn't love a guaranteed 10-6 record? Sadly you won't be here to see it if it happens since McCown will start week 1 which means you'll be history for the season. :(

      C'mon, you have to know that Glennon starts the season under center right??  It's more evident with each passing day.

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      The Buc's need to hire you to work for them. Who wouldn't love a guaranteed 10-6 record? Sadly you won't be here to see it if it happens since McCown will start week 1 which means you'll be history for the season. :(

      C'mon, you have to know that Glennon starts the season under center right??  It's more evident with each passing day.

      There's only one person on the entire planet that believes that right now. You know that as you bet your entire forum presence for a year on it.

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      Lovie doesn't like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He'd never make it through the interview process.

      He never loses.  Every struggling coach/GM would love to have him under center.

      The funny thing is, that's the same argument people made about Manziel.  That's not to say that I'd bet against Winston if he can keep his nose clean, just that "he neverloses/all he does is win games" barely qualifies as an argument, let alone a bad one.

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      I agree Winston is pretty close to can’t miss. He has to decide he wants to be a good citizen and he wants to play football instead of baseball… but yeah, if he does those two things I’ll take him.

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      Lovie doesn't like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He'd never make it through the interview process.

      He never loses.  Every struggling coach/GM would love to have him under center.

      The funny thing is, that's the same argument people made about Manziel.  That's not to say that I'd bet against Winston if he can keep his nose clean, just that "he neverloses/all he does is win games" barely qualifies as an argument, let alone a bad one.

      In any endeavor where one is measured by wins and losses and an individual has yet to lose, I would say that is all the argument I need.  FSU will become a 9-12 win team again once Winston leaves.  Give me an example where another team was down by 21 to an SEC team and came back to win.  Winston did it against the best SEC team at a neutral site on the biggest stage in college sports.  I will take him all day every day.Manziel had a tendency to lose in the SEC.  No BCS games for A&M while he was there. 

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      FSU was stacked to begin with. Winston is obviously a stud. Can’t miss prospect. Not quite. His off the field issues are reason enough.

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      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      That's cute, but we aren't talking about Madden.

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      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      That's cute, but we aren't talking about Madden.

      You really dont think with another year of growth and the new pieces around him he can't win 10 games? 

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      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      That's cute, but we aren't talking about Madden.

      You really dont think with another year of growth and the new pieces around him he can't win 10 games?

      I don't think so. I also don't think McCown will either. I don't think people are respecting the schedule we have.

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      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      That's cute, but we aren't talking about Madden.

      You really dont think with another year of growth and the new pieces around him he can't win 10 games?

      I don't think so. I also don't think McCown will either. I don't think people are respecting the schedule we have.

      From a Glennon standpoint, wasn't last year's schedule tougher?

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      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      That's cute, but we aren't talking about Madden.

      You really dont think with another year of growth and the new pieces around him he can't win 10 games?

      I don't think so. I also don't think McCown will either. I don't think people are respecting the schedule we have.

      From a Glennon standpoint, wasn't last year's schedule tougher?

      Well, let's look at division opponents. New Orleans got better. Atlanta got better. Carolina got worse. So division-wise, this year will be tougher. Last year we played the NFC West which is the hardest division in the NFL. So, compared to this year's NFC North, yes it's easier this year. AFC East last year vs. AFC North this year. This year is harder. Our 2 throw in game last year were Philly and Detroit. This year is Detroit and St. Louis. This year will be harder. So, overall, I think this season's schedule will be more challenging.

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      Glennon will lead this team to a 10-6 record minimum.  Not sure how that will put us in position for Winston but...........if you say so.

      That's cute, but we aren't talking about Madden.

      You really dont think with another year of growth and the new pieces around him he can't win 10 games?

      I don't think so. I also don't think McCown will either. I don't think people are respecting the schedule we have.

      From a Glennon standpoint, wasn't last year's schedule tougher?

      No.  I don't think so.  I look back on last years schedule and I see 9 games that were winnable (Jets, Saints, Arizona, Eagles, Falcons, Miami, Detroit, Buffalo, & St. Louis) - of which, they won only 3.  This year I look at their schedule and I see 5 games that are what I'd consider winnable, St. Louis, Minnesota, Cleveland, Washington, & Baltimore.

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      This year I look at their schedule and I see 5 games that are what I'd consider winnable, St. Louis, Minnesota, Cleveland, Washington, & Baltimore.

      We aren't getting swept in division play. And we beat Detroit on the road last year, but this year it's not winnable?

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      This year I look at their schedule and I see 5 games that are what I'd consider winnable, St. Louis, Minnesota, Cleveland, Washington, & Baltimore.

      We aren't getting swept in division play. And we beat Detroit on the road last year, but this year it's not winnable?

      Division games are always winnable to an extent, but it's really no different than last year.  But, the 1 difference is that we can look back to last year... we can only guess for this year.  Also, there are a lot of unknowns with the Bucs, less for the other teams.  Plus, I'm not saying they're going to go 0-6... just that right now, I wouldn't predict them to win any of them.  I'd say they would be the underdog in all 6.  As for Detroit, I think they're a 10 to 12 win team this year.  Because of the unknowns of the Bucs, I don't think they'll beat the Lions.

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      I’ll give you that.

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      Lovie doesn't like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He'd never make it through the interview process.

      He never loses.  Every struggling coach/GM would love to have him under center.

      The funny thing is, that's the same argument people made about Manziel.  That's not to say that I'd bet against Winston if he can keep his nose clean, just that "he neverloses/all he does is win games" barely qualifies as an argument, let alone a bad one.

      In any endeavor where one is measured by wins and losses and an individual has yet to lose, I would say that is all the argument I need.  FSU will become a 9-12 win team again once Winston leaves.  Give me an example where another team was down by 21 to an SEC team and came back to win.  Winston did it against the best SEC team at a neutral site on the biggest stage in college sports.  I will take him all day every day.Manziel had a tendency to lose in the SEC.  No BCS games for A&M while he was there.

      Don't get me wrong.  I'm not dogging on Winston.  I'm an FSU alum myself.  But if he succeeds in the NFL, it's not going to be because of some "he wins games" trait.  Football remains too much of a team sport for that to not be a ridiculous argument.

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    • Anonymous

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      Lovie doesn't like arrogant D-bag thief-rapists. He'd never make it through the interview process.

      He never loses.  Every struggling coach/GM would love to have him under center.

      The funny thing is, that's the same argument people made about Manziel.  That's not to say that I'd bet against Winston if he can keep his nose clean, just that "he neverloses/all he does is win games" barely qualifies as an argument, let alone a bad one.

      In any endeavor where one is measured by wins and losses and an individual has yet to lose, I would say that is all the argument I need.  FSU will become a 9-12 win team again once Winston leaves.  Give me an example where another team was down by 21 to an SEC team and came back to win.  Winston did it against the best SEC team at a neutral site on the biggest stage in college sports.  I will take him all day every day.Manziel had a tendency to lose in the SEC.  No BCS games for A&M while he was there.

      Don't get me wrong.  I'm not dogging on Winston.  I'm an FSU alum myself.  But if he succeeds in the NFL, it's not going to be because of some "he wins games" trait.  Football remains too much of a team sport for that to not be a ridiculous argument.

      Andrew Luck comes to the Colts and their fortunes change overnight. He's the reason their fortunes changed. Period. Winston is that type if QB.

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      Luck didn’t come with the numerous and EXTREMELY questionable character issues.

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    • Anonymous

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      Luck didn't come with the numerous and EXTREMELY questionable character issues.

      Ok, let me rephrase that.  If Jamies makes it through the next year without any character issues and is drafted (he's going #1 unless a star QB gets injured early in the season and that causes the team to tank) Jameis will be under center and succeed right away for a franchise.  I happen to think that franchise is going to be either the Arizona Cardinals or the Tennessee Titans. 

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      I don't give a crap about FSU, or Florida, or Miami. They all suck as far as I'm concerned. Point is, Winston has displayed poor decision making skills, and is likely to continue doing so.

      I'll agree with you on the first two all day long but when it comes to Miami, that's just talking reckless.  ;D

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      We always play the Saints tough in one of the games.  We are better than Atlanta on defense and they are not better than last year, you dont get better by losing Gonzalez.  Julio’s foot is screwed together, better than average chance he doesn’t finish the year. I actually see a scenario where we sweep the Falcons, their Defense is going to be hurting.  The Panthers have a solid defense but will need more on offense to beat us twice.  If we beat them twice I won’t be shocked.  We have a stretch after the bye where we play the Vikings, Browns, Redskins, Bears, Bengals in 5 out of 6 weeks.  None of those teams scare me. We are going to have our chances to be in this thing but we will need rookies to step up and for the offense to be running smoothly sooner rather than later.

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      We always play the Saints tough in one of the games.  We are better than Atlanta on defense and they are not better than last year, you dont get better by losing Gonzalez.  Julio's foot is screwed together, better than average chance he doesn't finish the year. I actually see a scenario where we sweep the Falcons, their Defense is going to be hurting.  The Panthers have a solid defense but will need more on offense to beat us twice.  If we beat them twice I won't be shocked.  We have a stretch after the bye where we play the Vikings, Browns, Redskins, Bears, Bengals in 5 out of 6 weeks.  None of those teams scare me. We are going to have our chances to be in this thing but we will need rookies to step up and for the offense to be running smoothly sooner rather than later.

      Whoever wins out the QB spot will have to be lights out the first 4-5 weeks or it's over early.

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    • Anonymous

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      We always play the Saints tough in one of the games.  We are better than Atlanta on defense and they are not better than last year, you dont get better by losing Gonzalez.  Julio's foot is screwed together, better than average chance he doesn't finish the year. I actually see a scenario where we sweep the Falcons, their Defense is going to be hurting.  The Panthers have a solid defense but will need more on offense to beat us twice.  If we beat them twice I won't be shocked.  We have a stretch after the bye where we play the Vikings, Browns, Redskins, Bears, Bengals in 5 out of 6 weeks.  None of those teams scare me. We are going to have our chances to be in this thing but we will need rookies to step up and for the offense to be running smoothly sooner rather than later.

      Whoever wins out the QB spot will have to be lights out the first 4-5 weeks or it's over early.

      As you know, Defense is usually ready to play first.  I am hoping that our defense can get us some early wins.  But I'm with you, we could have an early schedule death knell.

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    • Anonymous

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      We always play the Saints tough in one of the games.  We are better than Atlanta on defense and they are not better than last year, you dont get better by losing Gonzalez.  Julio's foot is screwed together, better than average chance he doesn't finish the year. I actually see a scenario where we sweep the Falcons, their Defense is going to be hurting.  The Panthers have a solid defense but will need more on offense to beat us twice.  If we beat them twice I won't be shocked.  We have a stretch after the bye where we play the Vikings, Browns, Redskins, Bears, Bengals in 5 out of 6 weeks.  None of those teams scare me. We are going to have our chances to be in this thing but we will need rookies to step up and for the offense to be running smoothly sooner rather than later.

      Whoever wins out the QB spot will have to be lights out the first 4-5 weeks or it's over early.

      As you know, Defense is usually ready to play first.  I am hoping that our defense can get us some early wins.  But I'm with you, we could have an early schedule death knell.

      Well, it's been awhile, but we've seen it happen before.  ;D

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    • Anonymous

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      We always play the Saints tough in one of the games.  We are better than Atlanta on defense and they are not better than last year, you dont get better by losing Gonzalez.  Julio's foot is screwed together, better than average chance he doesn't finish the year. I actually see a scenario where we sweep the Falcons, their Defense is going to be hurting.  The Panthers have a solid defense but will need more on offense to beat us twice.  If we beat them twice I won't be shocked.  We have a stretch after the bye where we play the Vikings, Browns, Redskins, Bears, Bengals in 5 out of 6 weeks.  None of those teams scare me. We are going to have our chances to be in this thing but we will need rookies to step up and for the offense to be running smoothly sooner rather than later.

      Whoever wins out the QB spot will have to be lights out the first 4-5 weeks or it's over early.

      As you know, Defense is usually ready to play first.  I am hoping that our defense can get us some early wins.  But I'm with you, we could have an early schedule death knell.

      Well, it's been awhile, but we've seen it happen before.  ;D

      Indeed.

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      Andrew Luck comes to the Colts and their fortunes change overnight. He's the reason their fortunes changed. Period. Winston is that type if QB.

      Nah ...I don't think so at all.Not on the same level mentally ( obviously ) or mechnically - Winston's mechanics are a sloppy joke compared to Luck.All you can say for Winston that is on par with Luck is he has that winning "it" factor , but we've seen many QB's who had that in college fail in the NFL.

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      Comparing Winston to Luck is simply laughable at this point.Seriously.Winston has all the physical tools, but Luck is the smartest and most levelheaded QB to come out in the last decade.  Even if  McCown ans Glennon both bomb (doubtful BTW), the Bucs still won't be starting a rookie anytime soon.  It's the same reason we're not starting Glennon in his second season.

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      Differ said when Winston was 17 that he was going to be the first player taken on the draft when he comes out.  Winston’s talent on the football field has done nothing to temper that prediction. He throws the most catchable ball in college and can sense and read defenses better than anyone his age I have ever seen.

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      Luck took a two win team to the playoffs in his rookie debut.I'd take that over any of Dilfer's opinions. Dude should be on the Golf Channel.

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      Luck took a two win team to the playoffs in his rookie debut.I'd take that over any of Dilfer's opinions. Dude should be on the Golf Channel.

      As an NFL analyst on ESPN, he hasn't been wrong about much.

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      Luck took a two win team to the playoffs in his rookie debut.I'd take that over any of Dilfer's opinions. Dude should be on the Golf Channel.

      As an NFL analyst on ESPN, he hasn't been wrong about much.

      Uh-huh ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h95gKrMhLgs

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      10lbbass:  "What are you basing future bad decisions on?  .............this should be interesting."Aren't you that same idiot who "knows" how the future QB competition will play out?Ironic, no?

      Completely different and no, it's not ironic.  Love the idiot comment though. Touching.  There's a huge difference in predicting a QB will improve between season and season two.

      That's not what you've predicted. You've proclaimed him the QB of the future on multiple occasions....which is baseless nonsense. Just the idle ramblings of someone who clearly has a vested interest. Carry on......

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      He [Winston] is an interesting prospect. Hopefully the team is set at QB, and they don’t have any interest in any QB in the 2015 draft. But if they do, its going to be a huge gamble. But at least they will have another season of college ball to evaluate him further. Or 2 more seasons, if his Dad is not blowing smoke.

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      10lbbass:  "What are you basing future bad decisions on?  .............this should be interesting."Aren't you that same idiot who "knows" how the future QB competition will play out?Ironic, no?

      Completely different and no, it's not ironic.  Love the idiot comment though. Touching.  There's a huge difference in predicting a QB will improve between season and season two.

      That's not what you've predicted. You've proclaimed him the QB of the future on multiple occasions....which is baseless nonsense. Just the idle ramblings of someone who clearly has a vested interest. Carry on......

      You will understand soon enough. 

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      If neither work out, I’d trade the farm for mariota.

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      If neither work out, I'd trade the farm for mariota.

      Assuming Winston does stay in school. Otherwise Winston is head and shoulders talent wise above Mariota.

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      Lol, ok bro. Cool story

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      I’m a fsu fan, but let’s be real

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      I'm a fsu fan, but let's be real

      So you think Mariota is more talented than Winston? 

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      Overall talent yes. Add in there’s no where near as many off field issues with mariota. Winston is a slightly better pocket passer, and mariota is slightly more athletic.

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      Overall talent yes. Add in there's no where near as many off field issues with mariota. Winston is a slightly better pocket passer, and mariota is slightly more athletic.

      Winston is a far better pocket passer and is deceptively fast.  Plus he's a winner.  Mariota stopped playing in that Stanford game - quit.  Can't have that in your starting QB ever.

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      But a guy with possible tape charges, theft,  and drug possession are ideal?

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      Rape charges*

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      But a guy with possible tape charges, theft,  and drug possession are ideal?

      No rape - that much seems to be clear.  Drug possession? This is new to me.  He's not a thug, he's a dumb kid that needs to grow up for sure.  He spends a lot of his time volunteering and studies engineering and maintains and succeeds with a very busy schedule.  He's not the character risk some seem to think he is.

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      ...and the crab actually wanted to go with him. It wasn't his fault.

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      ...and the crab actually wanted to go with him. It wasn't his fault.

      The police have told you this 8 times now. Animals can NOT give consent.

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      ...and the crab actually wanted to go with him. It wasn't his fault.

      An artist rendition of the crab.https://www.domain-logix.net/swf/crabby.swf

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      ...and the crab actually wanted to go with him. It wasn't his fault.

      The police have told you this 8 times now. Animals can NOT give consent.

      c'mon now, in the heat of passion a "baaaaah" could be mistaken as "yeaaaaaah" :o

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      Doesn’t matter…the Bucs will probably spend a high draft pick on the OL….2015 is not a deep draft for QBs....and Ride the McCown train for another year....

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      If animals can’t give consent,  then every male of every species on earth except human needs to have his ass throw in jail !!Dirty rapist animals !

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      I will gladly pass on any of next year’s QBs. Mariotta does nothing for me and is softer than baby poo. Winston has too many character concerns and his illiterate rally schtick won’t work in an NFL locker room. Hundley interests me a little if he balls out this year. Otherwise, nah, no thanks.

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      It’s fascinating how little this board knows about QB talent.

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      It's fascinating how little this board knows about QB talent.

      Well, we are Bucs fans..... Don't judge us too harshly when a glimmer of Doug, thoughts of what might have been with Steve, an effective stint with the Bull, and a possible future qb grooming behind McCown, is all we have......

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      It's fascinating how little this board knows about QB talent.

      That includes yourself buddy.

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    • Anonymous

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      It's fascinating how little this board knows about QB talent.

      thank God we have you to enlighten us!!

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      ...and the crab actually wanted to go with him. It wasn't his fault.

      The police have told you this 8 times now. Animals can NOT give consent.

      c'mon now, in the heat of passion a "baaaaah" could be mistaken as "yeaaaaaah" :o

      I actually loled. High five x)

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      Eh.I'm not so sure mccown and glennon aren't going to light it up, but I will say this much.I'm not content.Mccown, IF he can be like he was at chicago, ..oh hell yeah, join the team bud.. IF not, it's just another qb we go through that had limited success, only to go through to another project that had "eh" "success."Point being, no one at the qb position should be "mccrowned" by anyone, anymore than grads, vinny, dilfer, or even freeman.It just looks like another list of "eh" qb's to me. What I'm banking on is the wideouts and defense this year.

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      Michael8342698096739…When PR has him create threads, it's titles like this that make me SMFH.My thoughts, BEFORE opening it, were "Well, we draft a QB of the future"...  Duh.Why not title it "Who should we draft in 2015 if Glennon is not 'the QB of the future'...?C'mon PR, uh, errrr, I mean Michael89231548234958...  When is enough enough?/2¢

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