Tuesday, September 17, 2019

Is Winston worth 5 years 150 million?

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    The Anti-Java
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    The 11 NFL quarterbacks who could get mega extensions in 2019

    Bill Barnwell
    ESPN Staff Writer

    It’s difficult to overstate just how important quarterback contracts are to success in the NFL. Finding a valuable quarterback on a rookie deal has been the league’s Holy Grail since the NFL instituted a draft slotting system in the collective bargaining agreement in 2011. Maximizing the time teams get to spend with those passers helps, but even once they get paid market value, franchises build their rosters and their futures around the contract of the guy they have under center.

    Typically, we see about five to six quarterbacks sign multiyear extensions during a calendar year. This year is likely going to be an exception. I don’t think everyone I’m going to mention below will sign a deal over the next eight months, but as many as 11 quarterbacks could be in line to sign multiyear deals in 2019. One or more of them will be record-setting extensions in one way or another.

    Let’s run through those quarterbacks and their track records, and look at how their organizations typically conduct negotiations and structure contracts to try to get a sense of what they might expect to sign in the months to come.

    11. Jameis Winston, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Remaining on his contract: One year, $20.9 million in cash and on cap

    The Winston roller coaster goes on. For the second consecutive season, Tampa is hopeful about the former first overall pick because of an impressive stretch at the end of the season. After being suspended to start the 2018 season and getting benched for Ryan Fitzpatrick in October, Winston came back into the lineup in Week 10 and played at a high level. The 25-year-old posted a passer rating of 100.1, took just two sacks per game and crucially threw just four interceptions over a span of six-plus games. Two of those picks were essentially Hail Mary attempts, too.

    From the moment he was inserted back into the lineup, Winston posted a 72.7 Total QBR. That was the sixth-best mark in football and better than guys such as Brees, Wilson, Prescott and Baker Mayfield over that same time frame. One stat isn’t everything, and it’s a seven-start sample amid a 54-start career, but if Winston is that guy again in 2019, the Bucs are going to pay him a lot of money.

    The Bruce Arians factor makes this an even more fascinating situation. Arians has helped mold young passers such as Roethlisberger and Andrew Luck, but in Arizona, he initially signed Drew Stanton as his team’s starter before trading for Carson Palmer and installing him as the No. 1. General manager Jason Licht drafted Winston and is still with the team, but as someone whose job security is likely in tune with Winston’s, it’s no surprise that he told coaching candidates in December that Winston was the team’s quarterback. Winston certainly has the arm strength to succeed in Arians’ deep-passing attack, but we won’t know whether he can get along with Arians until they actually work together for a season.

    The only way I can imagine the Bucs sticking with Winston is if we get something close to the guy who excelled in the second half of 2018. If that Winston shows up, he’s going to get paid.

    What his new deal could look like: Five years, $150 million, $56 million guaranteed at signing

    As is the case with Mariota, Winston’s best chance at a big deal comes with his current team. There are organizations that won’t touch Winston given that he has twice been accused of sexual assault. Any deal Winston signs is going to have language voiding guarantees if he’s accused of committing a crime or gets suspended. That’s going to be nonnegotiable.

    The Bucs also structure their deals in a unique way, having adopted a pay-as-you-go cap strategy since the days of GM Mark Dominik. Tampa doesn’t hand out signing bonuses as part of veteran contracts, which prevents it from spreading upfront payments over multiple years for cap purposes. The Bucs build their deals in a way in which they can move on from players if they don’t work out without any dead money. They’re essentially the anti-Cowboys in terms of cap structure.

    With Winston, the Bucs will likely have to guarantee two years, although those figures will again be voidable in case of off-field incidents. He’ll likely get a large upfront roster bonus of $15 million or so to go with an $8 million base salary in 2020, then a $26 million base salary with a $7 million roster bonus for the 2021 season. The Bucs would be able to move on from Winston without any dead money at that point if the former top selection doesn’t live up to expectations on the field.

    For all 11 QB’s…..
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26427917/the-11-nfl-quarterbacks-get-mega-extensions-2019

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    #1186100

    Bootz2004
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    He’d never re-sign for that deal. Relatively speaking the guaranteed money is next to nothing.

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    #1186101

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    He’d never re-sign for that deal. Relatively speaking the guaranteed money is next to nothing.

    He will if he has a shit season. Given his proclivities towards turnovers and minimal growth, teams may view him as maxed out and not worth crippling their cap over.

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    #1186121

    buc_boi
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    How is a guy who quits on his team, whom can’t even beat out a 34 year old journey man for the starting job be worth that kind of money?

    I’d spend that money on a kicker before I spent it on worthless Jabboo.

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    #1186141

    buccnation
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    When did he quit on his team?

    Currently no he is not worth it. Hopefully after this season he will be worth it.

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    #1186143

    Pepsi
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    Thats a really fair deal for both parties IF Winston still hasnt totally stepped up his game. Its essentially extending his “prove it years” where he will be paid handsomely during the next two years and can be dropped completely from the books if he still doesnt become the guy we wanted when using a number 1 overall pick.

    But the reality is that its impossible to say what Winston is worth until this season plays out. He could be worth no deal, a huge deal, or generous but team safe prove it deal like the one mentioned here.

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    #1186144

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    Saints game, 2 seasons ago. The infamous eating a W game… where #3 was too “hurt” to help his team win, yet not too “hurt” run out onto the field and pick a fight with marshon Lattimore.

    Which resulted in Mike Evans being suspended for defending his QB.

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    #1186145

    Pepsi
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    Saints game, 2 seasons ago. The infamous eating a W game… where #3 was too “hurt” to help his team win, yet not too “hurt” run out onto the field and pick a fight with marshon Lattimore.

    Which resulted in Mike Evans being suspended for defending his QB.

    Thats your evidence of Winston quitting on his team? Theres plenty of things to use for a criticism of Winston, many valid things you can say. Quitting on his team isnt remotely close to being one of them.

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    #1186147

    GottaJaboo
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    Saints game, 2 seasons ago. The infamous eating a W game… where #3 was too “hurt” to help his team win, yet not too “hurt” run out onto the field and pick a fight with marshon Lattimore.

    Which resulted in Mike Evans being suspended for defending his QB.

    Wrong.

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    Winston is no quitter but he needs to get better to deserve franchise QB money. He keeps throwing the ball away or fumbling it, missing wide open targets downfield, he won’t be worth it, as far as I am concerned.

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    #1186157

    buc_boi
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    Then you people can explain Winston’s too hurt to help his team win, but not too hurt to pick fights, if it’s not Winston quitting on his team?

    I’m all ears.

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    #1186160

    DonkeyHunter
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    Lol

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    #1186161

    Roy
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    Here are the teams who could be shopping for a QB next year.

    Patriots – I think this will be Brady’s last year.

    Bengals- Between Dalton and Finley.  Neither is exciting.

    Titans – Mariotta’s time is running out.

    Raiders- Gruden will be moving on from Carr.

    Bucs.

    Throw in the fact that the 2020 rookie QB class is well stocked with first round talent, at least four or five. Teams can benefit from the rookie wage scale.  So that’s about five teams looking for a QB.

    Where is Winston’s landing spot?  Which team wants to give Winston the keys to the car for the next four years?  Sure a lot depends on how Winston does this year, but a lot also depends on what other teams plan to do.   I just don’t see there being a huge market for Winston just because a lot of teams are set at quarterback, and other teams will use the 2020 draft to find one.

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    #1186166

    The Anomaly
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    Good god no.   Hell no.   Final season for Jaboo.

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    #1186169

    Butters
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    He’s a mystery, he can be so very bad for a stretch of plays/series/games then be absolutely magically for other stretches. That’s not a recipe for long term success. It’s maddening because the good is so very good and tempts you to think he can turn the corner and eliminate the bad at some point, but not sure how long a team can pay 30m/year hoping for that transformation. If you’re paying your QB that large a cut of the cap they unequivocally have to be worth it otherwise you’re not competitive elsewhere.

    It’s a tough call either way, I just hope if we do let him go we get something for him. I think he still has value in a franchise tag/trade scenario unless he really craps the bed this year.

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