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      Jon Gruden Thinks Derek Carr Is Good Enough To Go #1 OverallBy Dan Zinski - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:54 pm carr_zps68486645.jpgJan 25, 2014; Mobile, AL South squad quarterback Derek Carr of Fresno State (4) walks off the field after throwing a touchdown pass to South squad tight end Crockett Gilmore of Colorado State (not pictured) against the North squad during the first quarter at Ladd-Peebles Stadium.John David Mercer-USA TODAY Sports Don’t look now everyone, but Jon Gruden is talking crazy about quarterbacks again. The commentator known for being insanely enthusiastic about pretty much every player has taken a plunge right into the deep end of QB draft speculation with his remarks about Fresno State’s Derek Carr. You’ll never believe it, but Gruden really likes Derek Carr. How much does Gruden like Derek Carr? A lot. According to Dane Brugler. A whole lot. Per Brugler, Gruden made the following arguably over-the-top statement about Carr. “You could make a case for him going No. 1 overall, he’s got that type of arm talent,” Gruden said. “It’s rare.” Gruden stopped short of comparing Derek Carr to Johnny Unitas. But he probably wanted to. Needless to say, Gruden’s remarks should be taken with a grain of salt. Not that Gruden doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We realize he’s very knowledgeable when it comes to quarterbacks. It’s just that, when Gruden starts talking about quarterbacks, I think he lets his enthusiasm sometimes carry him away. He has valuable insight to contribute, no doubt, but for some reason he chooses to let that insight be obscured by his Crazy Jon Gruden Thinks Everyone Is Great bit. After awhile people sort of don’t take a guy like that seriously. So I don’t really know what to think of Gruden’s position on Carr. It’s nice that Carr has someone willing to go to bat for him. I doubt Carr will now get serious consideration as the #1 overall pick. He might still go top 10, maybe, if some team happens to really love him. And then I guess Jon Gruden will be sort of vindicated?http://thevikingage.com/2014/04/28/jon-gruden-thinks-derek-carr-good-enough-go-1-overall/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Around%20the%20Network

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      Now Im convinced…anyone BUT Carr

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      Gruden talks glowingly of every QB prospect.Gruden's teams would carry 50 QBs.

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

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      Green Right Slot, Albacore 3 Y Quesadilla

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      just for snitz and giggles can someone provide all the known evaluations Gruden has made on QBs as an analyst  so we can grade his track record accurately?  As a coach, other than Rodgers which QBs did he misevaluate?

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      I believe he has now said that Manziel, Bridgewater, Murray, Carr, and Bortles are all the best QB in the draft. Lol

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      just for snitz and giggles can someone provide all the known evaluations Gruden has made on QBs as an analyst  so we can grade his track record accurately?  As a coach, other than Rodgers which QBs did he misevaluate?

      Come on S & B, the list of mis-evaluations in Tampa is too vast to state.  He wanted Rob Johnson to come in here and be a franchise guy, replacing Brad Johnson - just one example.

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      Rob Johnson was brought in to be a backup.  Simms he never wanted and he was right.  gradkowski was a 6th rounder and was what he was, a backup level player.  Josh Johnson was a 5th rounder who he never had the chance to develop,  what other studly QBs could we have drafted besides Rodgers during his time here? I don’t think there were many if any at all.  It was a real bad stretch for QBs.

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      Jon missed his calling as a 3am infomercial host…..Sham-Wow!

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      Rob Johnson was brought in to be a backup.  Simms he never wanted and he was right.  gradkowski was a 6th rounder and was what he was, a backup level player.  Josh Johnson was a 5th rounder who he never had the chance to develop,  what other studly QBs could we have drafted besides Rodgers during his time here? I don't think there were many if any at all.  It was a real bad stretch for QBs.

      From a personell standpoint you would have a very tough time defending him while he was in Tampa.  I love the guy and am happy he was here but he sucked at getting us ready at the QB spot. 

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      on THAT, we agree!!

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      Gruden is great as a TV personality, but it always makes me laugh when I think about him being considered a QB guru and having a show called QB camp. We are talking about a guy that could never find a great young QB, never had the patience for one, passed on Aaron Rodgers when he needed one, and always brought in old veteran QBs because of it……yet he is a QB guru? Lol. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Always entertaining though.

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      Drafted Quarterbacks 2002NAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM David Carr QB Fresno State 1 1(1) Houston Joey Harrington QB Oregon 1 3(3) Detroit Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane 1 32(32) Washington Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State 3 16(81) Arizona David Garrard QB East Carolina 4 10(108) Jacksonville Rohan Davey QB LSU 4 19(117) New England Randy Fasani QB Stanford 5 2(137) Carolina Kurt Kittner QB Illinois 5 23(158) Atlanta Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young 5 28(163) San Francisco Craig Nall QB Northwestern State 5 29(164) Green Bay J.T. O'Sullivan QB UC Davis 6 14(186) New Orleans Seth Burford QB Cal Poly 7 5(216) San Diego Jeff Kelly QB Southern Miss 7 21(232) Seattle Ronald Curry QB North Carolina 7 24(235) Oakland Wes Pate QB Stephen F. Austin 7 25(236) Baltimore2003NAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM Carson Palmer QB USC 1 1(1) Cincinnati Byron Leftwich QB Marshall 1 7(7) Jacksonville Kyle Boller QB California 1 19(19) Baltimore Rex Grossman QB Florida 1 22(22) Chicago Dave Ragone QB Louisville 3 24(88) Houston Chris Simms QB Texas 3 33(97) Tampa Bay Seneca Wallace QB Iowa State 4 13(110) Seattle Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College 5 28(163) Pittsburgh Drew Henson QB Michigan 6 19(192) Houston Brooks Bollinger QB Wisconsin 6 27(200) NY Jets Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech 6 28(201) New England Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana 7 18(232) Washington Ken Dorsey QB Miami (FL) 7 27(241) San Francisco2004Drafted QuarterbacksNAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM Eli Manning QB Mississippi 1 1(1) San Diego Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State 1 4(4) NY Giants Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (OH) 1 11(11) Pittsburgh J.P. Losman QB Tulane 1 22(22) Buffalo Matt Schaub QB Virginia 3 27(90) Atlanta Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech 4 10(106) Cleveland Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State 5 16(148) Chicago Andrew Hall QB Delaware 6 20(185) Philadelphia Josh Harris QB Bowling Green 6 22(187) Baltimore Jim Sorgi QB Wisconsin 6 28(193) Indianapolis Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State 6 36(201) St. Louis John Navarre QB Michigan 7 1(202) Arizona Cody Pickett QB Washington 7 16(217) San Francisco Casey Bramlet QB Wyoming 7 17(218) Cincinnati Matt Mauck QB LSU 7 24(225) Denver B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech 7 47(248) Houston Bradlee Van Pelt QB Colorado State 7 49(250) Denver2005 Alex Smith QB Utah 1 1(1) San Francisco Aaron Rodgers QB California 1 24(24) Green Bay Jason Campbell QB Auburn 1 25(25) Washington Charlie Frye QB Akron 3 3(67) Cleveland Andrew Walter QB Arizona State 3 5(69) Oakland David Greene QB Georgia 3 21(85) Seattle Kyle Orton QB Purdue 4 5(106) Chicago Stefan LeFors QB Louisville 4 20(121) Carolina Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut 5 9(145) Detroit Adrian McPherson QB Florida State 5 16(152) New Orleans Derek Anderson QB Oregon State 6 39(213) Baltimore James Kilian QB Tulsa 7 15(229) Kansas City Matt Cassel QB USC 7 16(230) New England Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Harvard 7 36(250) St. Louis2006 Vince Young QB Texas 1 3(3) Tennessee Matt Leinart QB USC 1 10(10) Arizona Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt 1 11(11) Denver Kellen Clemens QB Oregon 2 17(49) NY Jets Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State 2 32(64) Minnesota Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson 3 17(81) San Diego Brodie Croyle QB Alabama 3 21(85) Kansas City Ingle Martin QB Furman 5 15(148) Green Bay Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green 5 31(164) Pittsburgh Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo 6 25(194) Tampa Bay D.J. Shockley QB Georgia 7 15(223) Atlanta2007Drafted QuarterbacksNAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM JaMarcus Russell QB LSU 1 1(1) Oakland Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame 1 22(22) Cleveland Kevin Kolb QB Houston 2 4(36) Philadelphia John Beck QB Brigham Young 2 8(40) Miami Drew Stanton QB Michigan State 2 11(43) Detroit Trent Edwards QB Stanford 3 28(92) Buffalo Isaiah Stanback QB Washington 4 4(103) Dallas Jeff Rowe QB Nevada 5 14(151) Cincinnati Troy Smith QB Ohio State 5 37(174) Baltimore Jordan Palmer QB UTEP 6 31(205) Washington Tyler Thigpen QB Coastal Carolina 7 7(217) Minnesota2008NAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM Matt Ryan QB Boston College 1 3(3) Atlanta Joe Flacco QB Delaware 1 18(18) Baltimore Brian Brohm QB Louisville 2 25(56) Green Bay Chad Henne QB Michigan 2 26(57) Miami Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State 3 31(94) New England John David Booty QB USC 5 2(137) Minnesota Dennis Dixon QB Oregon 5 21(156) Pittsburgh Josh Johnson QB San Diego 5 25(160) Tampa Bay Erik Ainge QB Tennessee 5 27(162) NY Jets Colt Brennan QB Hawaii 6 20(186) Washington Andre' Woodson QB Kentucky 6 32(198) NY Giants Matt Flynn QB LSU 7 2(209) Green Bay Alex Brink QB Washington State 7 16(223) HoustonSo in reality, Rodgers and Schaub were the only worth while starting QBs we could have drafted but didn't. 

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      You guys that keep saying he couldn’t find and develop a QB only have really 1 to 2 names you can point to over a 7 year period.  And I’m being generous including Schaub.

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      Maybe he could have taken guys like Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, or Josh McCown with late picks instead of Gradowski and Josh Johnson. If he is such a QB Guru….he surely could have won SBs with Orton, Cassel, or McCown. Right?

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      So we should hold Gruden to a higher standard than every other professional coach because he has a show on ESPN called Grudens QB camp.  Gotcha!

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      You guys that keep saying he couldn't find and develop a QB only have really 1 to 2 names you can point to over a 7 year period.  And I'm being generous including Schaub.

      If you are a guru, it's not just about the draft. In fact, it's not about the draft at all.  Don't waste your thought process on a turd that circled the toilet a long time ago.  Onward and upward.

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      So we should hold Gruden to a higher standard than every other professional coach because he has a show on ESPN called Grudens QB camp.  Gotcha!

      No. We should stop saying he is one of the best coaches of all time and calling him a QB Guru when he never did anything even close to earn either of those distinctions. He was a young coach that came in hot and flamed out. He was known for working with veteran QBs because he lacked the ability to scout a good one in the draft and lacked the patience to coach one up. Let's just be honest about the guy.

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      Good lord. Looking at those QBs drafted and it’s just awful. There are what, 6 good QBs in that whole span?

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      He was known for working with veteran QBs because he lacked the ability to scout a good one in the draft and lacked the patience to coach one up. Let’s just be honest about the guy.Again, other than Rodgers which QB should he have drafted and developed in lieu of bringing in a vet? Maybe his eye was keener than you think.

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      Luke McCown had a 100.6 rating in his 3 starts in 2007. He had the arm strength, accuracy and could run like a deer. For most of 2008 that team was running the ball down people’s throats, playing lock down defense and the special teams were scoring damn near every other week. Yet he continues to waffle back and forth between two dead ends in Garcia and Griese. McCown would have won that Falcons game but Gruden took his start away because of a "bad redzone period" in practice. Ironic considering Griese has the most redzone interceptions in league history, we took over deep in Falcon's territory after a blocked punt and that scrub couldn't get the team into the endzone and into the playoffs.

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      JC is talking crazy about quarterbacks again.

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      Was it not Gruden who traded for McCown?  Has any other coached developed Luke into a starting QB in this league?  It’s been 5 years after all.

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      For what it’s worth, Gruden told Rodgers before the draft that if he was there at 5 he’d be a Buc…I’m not going to pretend to know why Gruden said that and didn’t follow through, but he must of thought very highly of him to say that to his face.

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      For what it's worth, Gruden told Rodgers before the draft that if he was there at 5 he'd be a Buc...I'm not going to pretend to know why Gruden said that and didn't follow through, but he must of thought very highly of him to say that to his face.

      That's also the same draft he reportedly told Mason Crosby he'd take him in the second round, and the same draft Bruce Allen took Big Mike Williams out to dinner the night before the draft.

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      Was it not Gruden who traded for McCown?  Has any other coached developed Luke into a starting QB in this league?  It's been 5 years after all.

      Hackett was the one who wanted McCown. He had a first round grade on him coming out. When Hackett left 2007 Gruden wouldn't play McCown.Dominik trading him to Jacksonville, then blowing out his knee again and the Jags taking Gabbert was the end of chance.

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      For what it's worth, Gruden told Rodgers before the draft that if he was there at 5 he'd be a Buc...I'm not going to pretend to know why Gruden said that and didn't follow through, but he must of thought very highly of him to say that to his face.

      That's also the same draft he reportedly told Mason Crosby he'd take him in the second round, and the same draft Bruce Allen took Big Mike Williams out to dinner the night before the draft.

      My only argument is that he MUST have really liked Rodgers to say that to his face...Just not as much as Cadillac apparently.

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      I think patience was an issue with Gruden, but I think S&B makes a good point – look, he blew the eval on Aaron Rodgers. I don’t there’s a good way to spin that. But, it wasn’t exactly a series of Hall of Famers going through the turn-styles. Also, he was able to squeeze a lot of good performances out of some mediocre QBs, even if it was a short-run thing. People forget this, but before the Bucs and Raiders he squeezed 362 points (9th most in the league) out of the sub-optimal duo of Ty Detmer and Rodney Peete. Heck, he got a lot more out of Chris Simms than I thought was possible. As for his thoughts on this year's QB, I heard him on Sirius and what he said about Carr was mostly about "arm" - I don't think it went beyond that, and it's echoed by a lot of other people - on arm talent alone, he's probably the best in this draft. He said his favorite was Jimmy G. He also said Logan Thomas needs to learn to embrace another position.

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      You guys that keep saying he couldn't find and develop a QB only have really 1 to 2 names you can point to over a 7 year period.  And I'm being generous including Schaub.

      1 is enough!!

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      You guys that keep saying he couldn't find and develop a QB only have really 1 to 2 names you can point to over a 7 year period.  And I'm being generous including Schaub.

      1 is enough!!

      That stretch in anomaly either.  It's tough to find good QBs, so when you have one in your stable that was rookie of the year at that spot, you hold on to him.  Unless you want to get fired or something.

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      Fans are actually arguing that Gruden was not a fail, at player evaluation? I thought that was a given at this point in time.

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      Fans are actually arguing that Gruden was not a fail, at player evaluation? I thought that was a given at this point in time.

      My personal favorite was the guy calling him a top 3 coach of all time.  LOLOLOL

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      Fans are actually arguing that Gruden was not a fail, at player evaluation? I thought that was a given at this point in time.

      My personal favorite was the guy calling him a top 3 coach of all time.  LOLOLOL

      Fans can make arguments he is a great coach, or great motivator, or great X's and O's guy. That is fine.  But the poor talent evaluator thing is undeniable.    IMO

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      Fans are actually arguing that Gruden was not a fail, at player evaluation? I thought that was a given at this point in time.

      My personal favorite was the guy calling him a top 3 coach of all time.  LOLOLOL

      Fans can make arguments he is a great coach, or great motivator, or great X's and O's guy. That is fine.  But the poor talent evaluator thing is undeniable.    IMO

      He's always going to hold a special place in the hearts of Bucs fans...but we saw what the team turned into over the years that he helped make personnel decisions.

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      No.  you all say he sucks at evaluating and developing QBs.  I’m just asking which QB in those 7 years should he have drafted then other than Rodgers, a guy 23 other teams passed on because he stunk of Jeff Tedford. 

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      No.  you all say he sucks at evaluating and developing QBs.  I'm just asking which QB in those 7 years should he have drafted then other than Rodgers, a guy 23 other teams passed on because he stunk of Jeff Tedford.

      were all those QBs working with gurus?

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      No.  you all say he sucks at evaluating and developing QBs.  I'm just asking which QB in those 7 years should he have drafted then other than Rodgers, a guy 23 other teams passed on because he stunk of Jeff Tedford.

      I realize Gruden was your aryan savior but he was not a good QB evaluator while here in Tampa.  There is no defending him and no one should. 

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      Dimwit plays the race card. Wonderful.

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      He Also praised Newton…lol AND Jake Locker

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      Newton was in the running for MVP last year.  Score one for Jon Football.

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      Newton is not a good QB in the same vein as john thought he would be. A drew brees he is not. He is Alex Smith level.

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      No.  you all say he sucks at evaluating and developing QBs.  I'm just asking which QB in those 7 years should he have drafted then other than Rodgers, a guy 23 other teams passed on because he stunk of Jeff Tedford.

      For me, its not just QB'S, its talent evaluation in general.

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      With gruden, it was hit or miss.On one hand, you had a coach who says he cannot get bryant and galloway on the field at the same time, but on the other, you have a coach who was masterful at managing time within a game and could set up a solid gameplan.

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      No.  you all say he sucks at evaluating and developing QBs.  I'm just asking which QB in those 7 years should he have drafted then other than Rodgers, a guy 23 other teams passed on because he stunk of Jeff Tedford.

      does that make McCarthy the REAL qb guru?

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      I hate the Panthers about as much as you can hate a team, but Cam Newton is an excellent QB.

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      When did Gruden ever evaluate a Rookie QB? If Derek's last name wasn't Carr everyone wouldn't be so against him.

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      When did Gruden ever evaluate a Rookie QB? If Derek's last name wasn't Carr everyone wouldn't be so against him.

      I think you can make an argument that his last name has actually helped him.  Have you watched his game tape from Fresno?  West coast and nothing too intricate.  Not sure Carr is going to light up the intelligence meter. 

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      When did Gruden ever evaluate a Rookie QB? If Derek's last name wasn't Carr everyone wouldn't be so against him.

      Actually...I have no problem with his name.  I think he is a great athlete and was a great QB for the system at Fresno.  I just happen to see the newest version of Blaine Gabbart in him and thus would prefer it if we didnt draft him in the 1st round.

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      I hate the Panthers about as much as you can hate a team, but Cam Newton is an excellent QB.

      I disagree. Scam Newton is an amazing specimen. A true freak athlete. The kid just oozes talent and potential. He literally could be the best QB to ever play the game.....but he is immature, a sh!tty leader, self absorbed, a bit lazy and a bit stupid. If he was a TE he would probably be the best TE in the league. He would be like the Deion Sanders of Tight Ends....but being a QB takes a lot more than just physical ability and a super star attitude. It takes great dedication, work ethic, leadership, maturity, and mental toughness. Cam lacks all of those things so each season it is just a one man human highlight show and the Panthers never have a real shot at any real post season success. Maybe he'll grow up one day and dominate, but so far he has been a very large, very athletic joke. That's why the Panthers are 25-23 in the three years since they drafted him.

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      I hate the Panthers about as much as you can hate a team, but Cam Newton is an excellent QB.

      I disagree. Scam Newton is an amazing specimen. A true freak athlete. The kid just oozes talent and potential. He literally could be the best QB to ever play the game.....but he is immature, a sh!tty leader, self absorbed, a bit lazy and a bit stupid. If he was a TE he would probably be the best TE in the league. He would be like the Deion Sanders of Tight Ends....but being a QB takes a lot more than just physical ability and a super star attitude. It takes great dedication, work ethic, leadership, maturity, and mental toughness. Cam lacks all of those things so each season it is just a one man human highlight show and the Panthers never have a real shot at any real post season success. Maybe he'll grow up one day and dominate, but so far he has been a very large, very athletic joke. That's why the Panthers are 25-23 in the three years since they drafted him.

      Well said sir.  That being said, he's better than anyone we have had at the same position.

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      I hate the Panthers about as much as you can hate a team, but Cam Newton is an excellent QB.

      I disagree. Scam Newton is an amazing specimen. A true freak athlete. The kid just oozes talent and potential. He literally could be the best QB to ever play the game.....but he is immature, a sh!tty leader, self absorbed, a bit lazy and a bit stupid. If he was a TE he would probably be the best TE in the league. He would be like the Deion Sanders of Tight Ends....but being a QB takes a lot more than just physical ability and a super star attitude. It takes great dedication, work ethic, leadership, maturity, and mental toughness. Cam lacks all of those things so each season it is just a one man human highlight show and the Panthers never have a real shot at any real post season success. Maybe he'll grow up one day and dominate, but so far he has been a very large, very athletic joke. That's why the Panthers are 25-23 in the three years since they drafted him.

      Took over a 2-14 team. In his 6-10 season they were #5 in scoring. Keep hating.

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      When did Gruden ever evaluate a Rookie QB? If Derek's last name wasn't Carr everyone wouldn't be so against him.

      I think you can make an argument that his last name has actually helped him.  Have you watched his game tape from Fresno?  West coast and nothing too intricate.  Not sure Carr is going to light up the intelligence meter.

      I struggle with Carr as a prospect, but I actually think he's pretty smart.

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      I hate the Panthers about as much as you can hate a team, but Cam Newton is an excellent QB.

      I disagree. Scam Newton is an amazing specimen. A true freak athlete. The kid just oozes talent and potential. He literally could be the best QB to ever play the game.....but he is immature, a sh!tty leader, self absorbed, a bit lazy and a bit stupid. If he was a TE he would probably be the best TE in the league. He would be like the Deion Sanders of Tight Ends....but being a QB takes a lot more than just physical ability and a super star attitude. It takes great dedication, work ethic, leadership, maturity, and mental toughness. Cam lacks all of those things so each season it is just a one man human highlight show and the Panthers never have a real shot at any real post season success. Maybe he'll grow up one day and dominate, but so far he has been a very large, very athletic joke. That's why the Panthers are 25-23 in the three years since they drafted him.

      Took over a 2-14 team. In his 6-10 season they were #5 in scoring. Keep hating.

      I have to agree with JC here. I'm not sure how you know that "he lacks all those things." By most accounts, he was lacking in a lot of them early in his career, but most reports seem to suggest that he's come a long way. "Linebacker Chase Blackburn was on the Giants in Sept. 2012 when Newton celebrated his meaningless touchdown while his Panthers were being hammered. He heard all the stories about his moodiness and selfishness, too.But that’s not the Newton that Blackburn has seen since he signed with the Panthers last offseason.“Cam has made huge strides since I got here,” Blackburn said. “You see one thing in the media and kind of how he’s portrayed on TV, and from afar from what I could see. But then to see him behind closed doors, to see him in the locker room, see him with the guys, you get a completely different perspective on him.Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/cam-attitude-panthers-super-article-1.1576464#ixzz30NoNMkiyLet's keep in mind that he has some truly atrocious passing game weapons to work with.

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      I hate the Panthers about as much as you can hate a team, but Cam Newton is an excellent QB.

      I disagree. Scam Newton is an amazing specimen. A true freak athlete. The kid just oozes talent and potential. He literally could be the best QB to ever play the game.....but he is immature, a sh!tty leader, self absorbed, a bit lazy and a bit stupid. If he was a TE he would probably be the best TE in the league. He would be like the Deion Sanders of Tight Ends....but being a QB takes a lot more than just physical ability and a super star attitude. It takes great dedication, work ethic, leadership, maturity, and mental toughness. Cam lacks all of those things so each season it is just a one man human highlight show and the Panthers never have a real shot at any real post season success. Maybe he'll grow up one day and dominate, but so far he has been a very large, very athletic joke. That's why the Panthers are 25-23 in the three years since they drafted him.

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      He sucked at evaluating them as a coach and now he gets paid to suck at evaluating them as an analyst.  God bless this country!

      When did Gruden ever evaluate a Rookie QB? If Derek's last name wasn't Carr everyone wouldn't be so against him.

      I think you can make an argument that his last name has actually helped him.  Have you watched his game tape from Fresno?  West coast and nothing too intricate.  Not sure Carr is going to light up the intelligence meter.

      I struggle with Carr as a prospect, but I actually think he's pretty smart.

      I just struggle with him on my team.  How can you look the fan base in the eye's and say "We spent the #7 draft pick in our draft on this guy."  In a normal draft he would be a third or fourth rounder it's just that this draft is so starved for a QB. 

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      I didn’t say I’d want him at 7, or in the first round either.

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      I didn't say I'd want him at 7, or in the first round either.

      I wasn't attributing anything to you. I have been a fan of this team long enough to know that our franchise would be one of the few that would try to serve him up as a bonafide QB. 

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      http://frontrow.espn.go.com/2014/04/mock-gruden-vs-real-gruden-outtakes/

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      Gruden is hilarious. The double talk is out of control.The other day, he stated Mike Evans is a Vincent Jackson clone, so the Bucs won't draft him, OR maybe they will draft him.Way to go out on a limb there Jon.. How much does he get paid for definitive statements like that? Its gotta be 6 figures I would guess. What a racket.

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