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      Josh McCown seen as a below-average quarterback By Sander Philipse?@Sanderrp Jul 3 2014, 11:48 pmmc_zpsfd228af0.pngKim Klement-USA TODAY Sports No surprise here, but the latest quarterback rankings have Josh McCown as not the very best player in the NFL. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting quarterback is even seen as below-average.Apparently, early July is the time for rankings. The latest rankings pertain to quarterbacks: how should they be ranked, who should be in what tier, and who's the MOST ELITE of the ELITE? I don't know. Rightly, I don't really care -- mostly because the Bucs haven't had anyone to contend for the title of elite quarterback in ever. Still, there are rankings, and they say some kind of interesting things about Josh McCown. So there's that. ESPN's Mike Sando polled 26 "league insiders" to get their views on quarterbacks, and the result was not entirely surprising for Bucs fans: McCown was ranked as the 24th-best player in that list, soundly in tier three of four groups. "We got ready for him last year and boy, did he have a good season," a defensive coordinator said. "I would have to put him in the three group because you have to factor age in there and it might have just been that perfect storm, but he played well last year. It could have been the system. Maybe it was right with the reads and what they did. Good for him." That's an interesting ranking because it places him well ahead of other veterans who signed with new teams the past years in Brian Hoyer, Chad Henne, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Schaub. It's a reminder that Josh McCown was very, very good last year but to expect that to continue is probably not realistic. But then, no one is expecting him to put up the All-Pro numbers he put up last year. The question is whether he can be an adequate game manager given the system he's in, the running game, and the receiving weapons the Buccaneers have surrounded him with. NFL.com calls him a "borderline franchise quarterback", after earlier calling him one of the players likely to "make the leap" this year. While they note some obstacles, overall they think that the light has gone on and that while he won't replicate last year's numbers, he'll still do well enough to hold off Mike Glennon and be a productive starter this season. I think the Buccaneers will be quite happy if McCown puts up a middle-of-the-road performance. They've done everything they can to minimize the importance of the quarterback position: they've brought in more weapons on offense, strengthened the running game, overhauled the offensive line and have repeatedly noted a commitment to a run-based offense. If everything goes well, McCown won't be asked to be the team's savior this year. In fact, no quarterback under Lovie Smith has ever been asked to be that -- nor have any of them ever delivered that. The plan is for the defense and running game to compensate for quarterback deficiencies. If that works, the Bucs could go a long way. But if they hit a snag somewhere and the quarterback is going to have to carry the offense, we might see a swift collapse.link

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh no! What are we going to do?

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    • Anonymous

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      Oh no! What are we going to do?

      we've got Glennon....all's well!!

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      >>  They’ve done everything they can to minimize the importance of the quarterback position: they’ve brought in more weapons on offense, strengthened the running game, overhauled the offensive line and have repeatedly noted a commitment to a run-based offense. <<I believe this was the strategy for this season. McCown is not a top echelon quarterback, but if surrounded by weapons like he was in Chicago, he might be just fine in a quick paced offense like Trestman ran. I have to believe that Tedford has watched those Chicago game tapes at least 100 times and I wouldn't be at all surprised if our offense this season isn't similiar to what Chicago ran last season.I WANT to believe that the version of McCown we have this season is the one that played last season. Certainly that performance has to give McCown some confidence as well. Signs point to the fact that he *does* seem to be in the mode of duplicating that performance this season. We should know pretty soon now, as the 1st preseason game is only about 30+ days away.

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    • Anonymous

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      I think he’s more average than below. Even still, Brad Johnsons was average as was Trent Dilfer and they have SB rings. Something that the great Dan Marino doesnt have. This is a team sport and last I checked there was no I in team.

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      Plus Id rather he be doubted going into the season than with high expectations.

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    • Anonymous

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      Happy Birthday, Josh…

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    • Anonymous

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      Because he is a below average QB.  He may be average if all of the pieces around him are as good as advertised but i see him throwing 2-3 picks in every game in the pre-season. 

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    • Anonymous

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      Average may be good enough for Buc faithful.  Lovie was looking more for steady than stellar. That’s why we stocked up on playmakers for the O.We did endure Freeman after all.  The bar he set for QB play was set lower than a trip wire.

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      Average may be good enough for Buc faithful.  Lovie was looking more for steady than stellar. That's why we stocked up on playmakers for the O.We did endure Freeman after all.  The bar he set for QB play was set lower than a trip wire.

      You mean the QB that holds almost all of our franchise records.

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      Average may be good enough for Buc faithful.  Lovie was looking more for steady than stellar. That's why we stocked up on playmakers for the O.We did endure Freeman after all.  The bar he set for QB play was set lower than a trip wire.

      You mean the QB that holds almost all of our franchise records.

      Holding the offensive Buccaneer records is akin to being a tall midget.  Much is due to the fact he started almost 4 here..  Not exactly a crowded room.  For the most part was inaccurate a and erratic.  And the fact remains, he's a loser without a job right now.

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    • Anonymous

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      I’m not defending him today. I’m just saying he wasn’t horrible prior to banging Molly.

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    • Anonymous

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      I'm not defending him today. I'm just saying he wasn't horrible prior to banging Molly.

      The snake pics and M Jax photo shoot support your theory.  Creepy stuff.

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    • Anonymous

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      Some wise august age once said    “You are what your record says you are”.

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    • Anonymous

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      Because he is a below average QB.  He may be average if all of the pieces around him are as good as advertised but i see him throwing 2-3 picks in every game in the pre-season.

      wishful thinkin, i'm sure!!

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    • Anonymous

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      Doesnt matter how he is “seen” . If he plays like he did last year , and how he has played in the OTA's so far , he is going to piss all over all these pundits and their low expectations.

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    • Anonymous

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      I’m more interested in seeing what Tedford chooses to do. Does Jeff throw out he majority of his previous plans and attempt to replicate Josh’s best ‘season’ ever by installing Trestman’s offense?

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      Oh no! What are we going to do?

      we've got Glennon....all's well!!

      +1.  good call, I too have faith in Glennon making a big leap this year

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      I'm more interested in seeing what Tedford chooses to do. Does Jeff throw out he majority of his previous plans and attempt to replicate Josh's best 'season' ever by installing Trestman's offense?

      If Tedford is smart, and I think he is, he's going to attack weaknesses in a defense rather than scripting plays and running "impose your will" crap.  I saw somewhere where we play several 3-4 defenses this season.  We've got to run plays to exploit weaknesses inherent in a 3-4 and a 4-3.  Hell, NOLA runs a top 5 3-4 Rob Ryan scheme and we have to beat them at least one game to have a prayer this season.Sure, you gleen ideas from Chicago, NOLA, Denver, New England, etc., but you have to match up our strengths first depending on who is on Sunday's dance card.

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    • Anonymous

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      I'm more interested in seeing what Tedford chooses to do. Does Jeff throw out he majority of his previous plans and attempt to replicate Josh's best 'season' ever by installing Trestman's offense?

      If Tedford is smart, and I think he is, he's going to attack weaknesses in a defense rather than scripting plays and running "impose your will" crap.  I saw somewhere where we play several 3-4 defenses this season.  We've got to run plays to exploit weaknesses inherent in a 3-4 and a 4-3.  Hell, NOLA runs a top 5 3-4 Rob Ryan scheme and we have to beat them at least one game to have a prayer this season.Sure, you gleen ideas from Chicago, NOLA, Denver, New England, etc., but you have to match up our strengths first depending on who is on Sunday's dance card.

      Where were you when Greg Schiano needed you?

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