Monday, September 23, 2019

Licht sucking at Compensatory Formula

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  • #1186231

    Buc on the Move
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    It has been pretty well documented that Licht is bad at working the Compensatory system. Here’s some more: https://overthecap.com/2020-compensatory-draft-picks-update-5-13-2019/

    Tampa Bay: Like Dallas, they are stuck with a net value 7th due to having a equal number of CFAs lost and gained, and have high valued comp picks (a 3rd for Kwon Alexander and a 4th for Adam Humphries) cancelled out as a result. Unlike Dallas, the Bucs do not have quite as easy of a way to free up those comp picks. Deone Buchanon has no guaranteed money on his $2.5 million contract, so that’s a start. But after that, the Bucs would have to look at Bradley Pinion, who signed a four year contract that has $2.6 million in guarantees. It appears likely that Tampa Bay will be sacrificing a 3rd or 4th round comp pick on a high level punter deal, at a similar time to when they expended a 5th round pick on kicker Matt Gay.

    I don’t know that comp picks necessarily make or break a team, but this was the golden opportunity year to work it to get as many as 2 3-4 rd. picks (at least get one for Kwon). Is Pinion really going to be worth a third round pick?

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    #1186242

    tog
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    “It appears likely that Tampa Bay will be sacrificing a 3rd or 4th round comp pick on a high level punter deal”

    This is a point a few of us have been making for a while. Licht is an idiot. He doesn’t understand the basics of working the system to squeeze out extra assets.

    If Licht spent a late 3rd on a punter, people would be screaming in rage. And that’s exactly what he did.

    And the media isn’t savvy enough to call him to account.

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    #1186243

    Bootz2004
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    Fans and the media have had a much higher interest in compensatory picks this year than ever before. It’s probably because New England won another Superbowl and simple minds equate everything they do to winning championships. Compensatory picks ain’t it. In fact New England isn’t that great at drafting and developing. They are much better at finding cast offs from other teams and getting the most out of them.  Fans just like draft picks for the sake of having them.

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    #1186250

    xbucsx_4_xevax
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    Right, I forgot Dominik was a GURU at como picks.. you guys are a bunch of idiots that just hate JL for no reason… again and I’ll beat a dead horse with this, if White pans out all credit will go to BA. If he’s a bust I’m sure most will say it’s Lichts pick… Bufoons

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    #1186252

    spartan
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    So how exactly are we supposed to fill out the roster without signing players?

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    #1186254

    Naismith
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    Good teams focus on comp picks because they understand that drafting is very difficult and that you win by having a collection of contributing players playing at less than market rate. Thinking a third round pick has less value because a GM isn’t good at drafting is missing the point. Missing on picks makes additional picks even more valuable.

    People that think comp picks aren’t important either don’t know what they’re talking about or don’t want to miss out on the excitement of free agency for delayed gratification.

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    #1186264

    DonkeyHunter
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    .. you guys are a bunch of idiots that just hate JL for no reason…

    There are PLENTY of reasons to not like the moron.

    That being said, comp picks is a lame excuse.

     

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    #1186267

    GameTime
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    I think @naismith is pretty spot on.  I think the way we approached free agency is awful.  Now I think the compensatory system is jacked up, but a GM has to be better than losing 3rd rd comp picks in order to sign a punter.

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    #1186281

    notabucsfan
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    You know your team is bad when people are complaining about comp picks and no one actually knows how comp picks work. Compare these projections with the comp picks next year and I doubt they are even close.

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    #1186285

    JamesButabi
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    Not utilizing the compensation system is foolish. Can’t believe people are defending that. Coincides with being able to properly evaluate talent. Perpetually successful teams are averaging more draft picks per season. Why would you not want additional guaranteed players on rookie contracts?

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    #1186293

    Bootz2004
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    This is for the “I can’t believe people are dismissing the compensatory system” folks. Without looking it up, who’s the most successful compensatory pick?

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    #1186296

    JamesButabi
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    This is for the “I can’t believe people are dismissing the compensatory system” folks. Without looking it up, who’s the most successful compensatory pick?

    Dak?

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    #1186297

    Buc on the Move
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    This is for the “I can’t believe people are dismissing the compensatory system” folks. Without looking it up, who’s the most successful compensatory pick?

    I’ll admit I can’t name the guys drafted in these compensatory slots, but you can’t just shake your head and say that draft capital has no value.  In a league designed to induce parity, not trying to exploit every advantage will help you stay mediocre or worse.

    Not sure who is arguing that this is THE reason why Licht sucks at his job, but just another facet of his overall resume.  This season is a prime example, with Kwon and Hump receiving large contracts, having risen from more humble beginnings.  By not getting some final value out of that through the compensatory formula, Licht and the Bucs have lost some of the value they should have gotten for those finds/development.  That it amounts to a late third/top of the 4th pick for a punter is pretty grossly negligent in addition to spending a 5th on a kicker the same year…it is a lot of capital going into the specialist positions with bigger needs elsewhere.

    Props to the Licht supporters, though, you are a resilient bunch, that’s for sure.

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    #1186302

    Schianoismyhero
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    Didnt we take a comp pick from the Rams in their trade up? So they just leveraged a comp pick to move up like 20 spots.

    You’re gonna tell me that has no value?

    GTFO

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    #1186346

    Naismith
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    There are a ton of successful compensatory picks. Whether a guy is a superstar or not is missing the point. Drafting players to contribute while being locked in to contracts that are below market value is how you build a strong team. Seven picks > six picks > five picks > four picks. That should be clear.

    As to who is the best comp pick, that’s an obvious answer but is completely irrelevant.

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