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    • TampaBayBucs55

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      Per Greg Auman

      Chances just got slimmer

    • Nobody

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      We go from a top 10 OL to a bottom 5 OL without Marpet because Smith and Jensen from being serviceable to liabilities and Leftwich/Arians (if history is any indicator) won’t do enough in the gameplan to compensate.

      With Marpet, it looks like this:

      LT – Servicable
      LG – Elite
      C – Servicable
      RG – Servicable
      RT – Great

      Without Marpet, it looks like this:

      LT – Liability
      LG – Liability
      C – Liability
      RG – Servicable
      RT – Great

      The knock-on effect of losing an Elite Guard/Center in the modern NFL when the players adjacent to them are just Servicable cannot be underestimated.

    • DEBUCSOWN

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      Ouch.

      Okung out for carolina.

      Both front 7s will be licking their chops.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Not confident that Arians and Co. will be able to successfully adjust.

    • Boid Fink

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      They won’t. They are about as good as the Lions staff in terms of strategy. Maybe as good as The Bears…Byron is a clown. He won’t get better.

      Not confident that Arians and Co. will be able to successfully adjust.

    • Hockey Duckie

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      ::: sighs :::

      When Jensen pooped the can in his first year with the Bucs as the highest paid center, why didn’t Licht have more impetus to not only improve the center position, but also the RG position. We didn’t. We didn’t even try planning ahead on losing RT Dotson.

      At least with Koetter, we know he can mask deficiencies in pass blocking. With Arians… not so much.

    • Charles

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      Huge loss. Huge.

    • 4CTheMarket

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      But then again, this can be an indicator of how good Leftwich and Arians are. If they call long developing routes the majority of the time again and we get pressured, then at least we know by mid-November we are not gonna win anything past December.

    • kenntak

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      Maybe it will force them to come up with a more creative and effective game plan. Great coaches do it.

    • 4CTheMarket

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      Maybe it will force them to come up with a more creative and effective game plan. Great coaches do it.

      Especially after a master of adjustments outcoached them across the field Sunday Night.

    • BP1

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      The one advantage the coaching staff has in this game over the Saints game is tape of what the offense looks like without Marpet on the line. If they come out with the same game plan as they did with the Saints then a psychological evaluation is in order.

    • Nobody

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      The one advantage the coaching staff has in this game over the Saints game is tape of what the offense looks like without Marpet on the line. If they come out with the same game plan as they did with the Saints then a psychological evaluation is in order.

      This should be a very solid point @BP1 . Unfortunately, the following is true:

      1) Arians et al have a history of Pass Blocking OL performance that create huge Pressure on their QBs (including a serious disproportionate amount of Hits relative to the rest of the league)…yet, historically, he has not made schematic adjustments to mitigate this (its the DNA of the offense…the only time its been mitigated is the 8 games this year with Brady and Marpet…seriously…in the history of Arians’ offenses).

      2) Arians et al absolutely should have been able to make the inference before Snap 1 of Sunday Nights game that the left side of the Offensive Line was going to suffer both the 1st order effect of the loss of Marpet (the huge WAR deficit with Haeg), and the 2ndo order effect of the loss of Marpet (DSmith and Jensen suffering a huge loss Pass Blocking Efficiency). However, they clearly did not. Hence, see (1) above.

      We can it The Arians Principle of OL Recursion if you’d like.

    • Hockey Duckie

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      Or Arians listened to Licht always giving praise to his average OLine on the whole and that Haeg can muster the effort to play like Marpet.

      Lo and behold, Marpet’s the main reason why our OLine looks good. I had denoted this in previous weeks, showing how Marpet’s PFF rating was sky high, but LT Smith, C Jensen, and RG Cappa’s numbers were very underwhelming.

      Last year, we ran 70% up the gut and ranked 19th in production.

      This year, we run 60% up the gut and ranked 7th in production.

      Licht has problems with being objective in his talent evaluations.

    • BucBalla85

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      The one advantage the coaching staff has in this game over the Saints game is tape of what the offense looks like without Marpet on the line. If they come out with the same game plan as they did with the Saints then a psychological evaluation is in order.

      This should be a very solid point @BP1 . Unfortunately, the following is true:

      1) Arians et al have a history of Pass Blocking OL performance that create huge Pressure on their QBs (including a serious disproportionate amount of Hits relative to the rest of the league)…yet, historically, he has not made schematic adjustments to mitigate this (its the DNA of the offense…the only time its been mitigated is the 8 games this year with Brady and Marpet…seriously…in the history of Arians’ offenses).

      2) Arians et al absolutely should have been able to make the inference before Snap 1 of Sunday Nights game that the left side of the Offensive Line was going to suffer both the 1st order effect of the loss of Marpet (the huge WAR deficit with Haeg), and the 2ndo order effect of the loss of Marpet (DSmith and Jensen suffering a huge loss Pass Blocking Efficiency). However, they clearly did not. Hence, see (1) above.

      We can it The Arians Principle of OL Recursion if you’d like.

      Lord help us if Arians is really that stubborn. I hope Brady gave him an earful about his coaches lack of adjustments. This is ridiculous.

    • RudeGuy

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      The one advantage the coaching staff has in this game over the Saints game is tape of what the offense looks like without Marpet on the line. If they come out with the same game plan as they did with the Saints then a psychological evaluation is in order.

      This should be a very solid point @BP1 . Unfortunately, the following is true:

      1) Arians et al have a history of Pass Blocking OL performance that create huge Pressure on their QBs (including a serious disproportionate amount of Hits relative to the rest of the league)…yet, historically, he has not made schematic adjustments to mitigate this (its the DNA of the offense…the only time its been mitigated is the 8 games this year with Brady and Marpet…seriously…in the history of Arians’ offenses).

      2) Arians et al absolutely should have been able to make the inference before Snap 1 of Sunday Nights game that the left side of the Offensive Line was going to suffer both the 1st order effect of the loss of Marpet (the huge WAR deficit with Haeg), and the 2ndo order effect of the loss of Marpet (DSmith and Jensen suffering a huge loss Pass Blocking Efficiency). However, they clearly did not. Hence, see (1) above.

      We can it The Arians Principle of OL Recursion if you’d like.

      Lord help us if Arians is really that stubborn. I hope Brady gave him an earful about his coaches lack of adjustments. This is ridiculous.

      Let’s see if the Brady effect works in this type situation. We know it works in bringing in players he likes.

    • Dave

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      This is a HUGE loss. This is what we get though for 7 years of awful drafting and absolutely no investment in the O line until this year. Last 3 years has had studs in every draft we choose to ignore in rounds 2 and 3 and get cbs that can’t play zone, the joys.

      • leeroybuc93

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        I get that they looked bad last week but you can’t say we haven’t invested in the line. We have a 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, a 3rd rounder, and a top 10 paid center. You might not like the results but we’ve definitely invested.

    • kenntak

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      But we can’t dwell on one guy being out. All teams have multiple starters out, if Marpet makes a big difference between winning and losing, we really don’t have that good of a team to begin with. We need to deal with it, scheme around it, and have other players step it up. Winning teams do that.

    • m_j

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      Jensen to LG, Shipley to C …. if that‘s gonna work …..

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