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    • jbear

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      https://greenwald.substack.com/p/yet-another-media-tale-trump-tear?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozNDUyNzU2NSwicG9zdF9pZCI6Mzc0MDMwMTYsIl8iOiI4bFMxaiIsImlhdCI6MTYyMzI2OTkxMSwiZXhwIjoxNjIzMjczNTExLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTI4NjYyIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9

      All of this came crashing down on their heads on Wednesday afternoon. The independent Inspector General of the Interior Department, Mark Lee Greenblatt, issued his office’s findings after a long investigation into “the actions of the U.S. Park Police (USPP) to disperse protesters in and around Lafayette Park in Washington, DC, on June 1, 2020.” Greenblatt has been around Washington for a long time, occupying numerous key positions in the Obama administration, including investigative counsel at the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General and Assistant Inspector General for Investigations at Obama’s Commerce Department.

      The letter released by Greenblatt’s office accompanying the report makes clear how far-reaching the investigation was:

      Over the course of this review, our career investigative staff conducted extensive witness interviews, reviewed video footage from numerous vantage points, listened to radio transmissions from multiple law enforcement entities, and examined evidence including emails, text messages, telephone records, procurement documents, and other related materials. This report presents a thorough, independent examination of that evidence to assess the USPP’s decision making and operations, including a detailed timeline of relevant actions and an analysis of whether the USPP’s actions complied with governing policies.

      The IG’s conclusion could not be clearer: the media narrative was false from start to finish. Namely, he said, “the evidence did not support a finding that the [U.S. Park Police] cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park.” Instead — exactly as Hemingway’s widely-mocked-by-liberal-outlets article reported — “the evidence we reviewed showed that the USPP cleared the park to allow a contractor to safely install anti-scale fencing in response to destruction of Federal property and injury to officers that occurred on May 30 and May 31.” Crucially, “ the evidence established that relevant USPP officials had made those decisions and had begun implementing the operational plan several hours before they knew of a potential Presidential visit to the park, which occurred later that day.”

      The detailed IG report elaborated on the timeline even more extensively. It was “on the morning of June 1” when “the Secret Service procured anti-scale fencing to establish a more secure perimeter around Lafayette Park that was to be delivered and installed that same day.” The agencies had “determined that it was necessary to clear protesters from the area in and around the park to enable the contractor’s employees to safely install the fence.” Indeed, “we found that by approximately 10 a.m. on June 1, the USPP had already begun developing a plan to clear protesters from the area to enable the contractor to safely install the anti-scale fence” — many hours before Trump decided to go.

      The clearing of the Park, said the IG Report, had nothing to do with Trump or his intended visit to the Church; in fact, those responsible for doing this did not have any knowledge of Trump’s intentions:

    • jbear

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      the evidence we reviewed showed that the USPP cleared the park to allow a contractor to safely install anti-scale fencing in response to destruction of Federal property and injury to officers that occurred on May 30 and May 31.” Crucially

      But how did this happen? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and….

      This country is not just fucked because of Trump. The fact that this shit happened and on such a regular basis during the last administration is a travesty and it’s proof that we cannot ever allow our news to be censored by well meaning liberal assholes.

      The fact that this shit happened is proof positive that the way we get our “NEWS” needs an overhaul. As far as I’m concerned the fuck you wild west, everybody say whatever the fuck they want no matter how big a lie is one thousand times better than the propaganda we are fed now.

      This is complete bullshit.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Greenwald?

      Pass

      Dude is a hack

      Without knowing the topic or the article, I’d wager he says “woke culture” and “mainstream media” 547 times in a 1000 word article.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Lmao. The best thing about this story is Trumps “total vindication” press release.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Greenwald goes on Tucker 3x a week.

      Along with Rand Paul and the rest of the phonies

    • Biggs3535

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      So this is yet another thing Mr. Cronkite and his MSM brethren fabricated, but don’t have the balls to acknowledge? Color me stunned.

      Shameless. Frank Gallagher-style shameless.

    • Biggs3535

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    • jbear

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      Greenwald?

      Pass

      Dude is a hack

      Without knowing the topic or the article, I’d wager he says “woke culture” and “mainstream media” 547 times in a 1000 word article.

      You’d be wrong as usual dipstick.

    • jbear

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      This is disgusting. Our current President lied bold faced lied. Did he know? Did anyone know?

      It’s unbelievable. And Karma went on a four year rant about the truth and lies and still doesn’t get it. It’s sick and it’s coming back to bite the left hard.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Group sueing MLB for moving the All-Star game– based on obama, Old greasy turd Joe Biden, and Stacey Abrams absurd lies.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Lol, check mate

      You got me!

    • FireLicht2020

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      Echo echo echo echo

    • Stagger Lee

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      This is disgusting. Our current President lied bold faced lied. Did he know? Did anyone know?

      It’s unbelievable. And Karma went on a four year rant about the truth and lies and still doesn’t get it. It’s sick and it’s coming back to bite the left hard.

      Would be hard pressed to distinguish a JBear post from a LargeMarge post from a KKKChron post. Lol.

      One aspect of story turning out to be false doesn’t make everyone “liars” . you clowns need a vocabulary lesson :-)

      Btw, why is this (Trump-appointed) IG credible but all those other IGs who reported Trump and his henchman doing bad things were … Deep State?

      You Trumpers are all reaping what you sowed. Most people will ignore your claims on things like this precisely because of the past, politically driven dishonesty.

      And why are we all reading about it … if the MSM is all aligned against truth?

      Weird, huh?

    • Stagger Lee

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      Our current President lied bold faced lied. Did he know?

      When a troll fails 4th grade vocab…. you know it’s a troll

    • Stagger Lee

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      The media may have a field day with this report COMBINED with Trump’s insane “total vindication” press release. Three reasons:

      1) Trump appointee and report release immediately followed with Trumper releasers (ie part of the coordinated effort to rehabilitate Trump), AND

      2) the typical “total exoneration” overreach by Trump, AND

      3) no interviews of White House staff (apparently).

      #2 and #3 are may be the focus BECAUSE this is the actual carefully-worded conclusion from the IG:

      ” Moreover, the evidence established that relevant USPP officials had made those decisions and had begun implementing the operational plan several hours before they knew of a potential Presidential visit to the park, which occurred later that day. As such, we determined that the evidence did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park.”

      Will be interesting to see if this turns out to be a) the plan for fencing was already in place (pretty sure that was known because of the fire the day before) and b) they were told to change their timeline because of the President (“before they KNEW”)

      fun to watch it play out

      That last sentence – “we determined that the evidence did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park’ – may turn out that they cleared the park for fencing and Trump seized on that opportunity.

      There’s zero dispute he went there for the Bible picture because you can hear him on tape talking about it.

      We will see.

    • Stagger Lee

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      don’t have the balls to acknowledge

      Large Marge, you should never talk about “balls,” your secret might get out.

      also, “acknowledge” . . get someone to help you with a clock and the timing of the posts here Oh Great Insecure One

    • Biggs3535

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      And why are we all reading about it

      Not because you posted about, Mr. Cronkite, that’s for sure. You were pretty quick to jump on fake news’ narrative, but not so quick to start a thread when your bullshit was proven false. Completely stunned at the continued hypocrisy.

      if the MSM is all aligned against truth?

      This story wasn’t and isn’t widely reported on the MSM, for obvious reasons. They are brazen hypocrites, just like your repulsive ass. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was news to you again, unless you and your many New York buddies were chatting this one up.

      Greenwald scooped Mr. Cronkite. What a journalist.

    • jbear

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      Lmao. The best thing about this story is Trumps “total vindication” press release.

      And you still gobble up Trumps trolls. I thought it was awesome but mostly because of how it will make people like Fire feel violated. F&*% that guy but it sure is funny how he pushes left wingers buttons in such a low brow and obvious way. It’s slapstick… like an episode of the three stooges or something.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Selective outrage strikes again.

      More confirmation bias…

      Sad

    • Runole

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      This is not an insurrection on DC?

      Last year around the time of Trump and the Lafayette square violent protest in DC

      A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

      Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park’s comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John’s Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

      Trump was even evacuated to a bunker for safety

      Lone protesters have sometimes tried to make a statement by jumping the fence, but not since the civil unrest of the 1960s have groups come directly at the White House grounds in such numbers.

    • jbear

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      Btw, why is this (Trump-appointed) IG credible but all those other IGs who reported Trump and his henchman doing bad things were … Deep State?

      LOL you are such a loser. I read an NBC news story last night that also characterized the IG as a Trump appointee…. sure of course while Greenwald and non left leaning outlets rightly point out that he worked for Obama and was retained by Biden and has a non political position.

      But sure whatever.

    • jbear

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      You Trumpers are all reaping what you sowed. Most people will ignore your claims on things like this precisely because of the past, politically driven dishonesty.

      LOL the Irony is strong in this one! You do realize that we’re talking about how people don’t trust the media’s claims on things like this precisely because of the past, politically driven dishonesty…. right?

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by jbear.

    • FireLicht2020

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      The revisionism continues…

      And now that you can’t call Biden a scary socialist, you’ll reach for something else.

      Too fucking funny

      What’s it like every day waking up to a clown life?

    • jbear

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      What’s it like every day waking up to a clown life?

      Says the guy chiming into a thread to be a dick and announces first post that he isn’t going to read the referenced article or consider anything said because the author is a dick…. the definition of a clown. Again, the irony.

    • jbear

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      That last sentence – “we determined that the evidence did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park’ – may turn out that they cleared the park for fencing and Trump seized on that opportunity.

      There’s zero dispute he went there for the Bible picture because you can hear him on tape talking about it.

      We will see.

      So he went to the church for a bible picture…. whoopie do! The whole reason it was controversial was because he supposedly attacked protesters to do it. Obviously it riled the left that Trump was aggressively publicly going after the protesters in the court of public opinion and then wadaya know… this story materialized. Maybe in 20 or 30 years people like you will be able to accept your share of the blame for the downfall of this country but it seems to be sinking in pretty slowly.

      This claim that Trump attacked protesters to get a bible pick was fact checked and verified repeatedly. Stating the actual truth made you a liar…. for an entire year and you’ve got nothing to say. Just “we’ll see, Trump probably still did it”. With no evidence. Even when evidence proves you are incorrect the idea that you aren’t right is inconceivable….. But, but, but… the orange man is an asshole and he’s mean! It must be True. Screw the facts, who cares about the real truth, this is the truth as it must be…. it has to be.

      It’s extremely disturbing.

    • Biggs3535

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      More confirmation bias…

      Unless you mean confirmation of reality when you say “confirmation bias”, you’re going to have to explain yourself, Mr. Mayor.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Lol… Biden is wild popular nationally and globally and you clowns are looking for little baby wins.

        You’re down 55 in the 3rd and boasted about a FG

    • jbear

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      More confirmation bias…

      Unless you mean confirmation of reality when you say “confirmation bias”, you’re going to have to explain yourself, Mr. Mayor.

      But but but…. the IG was a Trump appointee! Fake news!

    • FireLicht2020

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      God bless our perfect benevolent president.

      May your approval rating hit 200%

      May you clown the clowns

    • Stagger Lee

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      So he went to the church for a bible picture…. whoopie do! The whole reason it was controversial was because he supposedly attacked protesters to do it

      lol that’s not true

      It was a symbol of who he is. He is a self-serving media clown who was in a position to lead during several crises BUT CHOSE HIS POLITICAL INTERESTS OVER LEADERSHIP

      this Bible stunt comes form the same mindset that said CV19 would go away, that it was a DEm Hoax . . and that led to 600K deaths, right?

      the Bible stunt is the same mindset that led him to bribe Ukraine –YOUR BOY RUDY TOO

      the Bible stunt is the same mindset that led the country through TWO IMPEACHMENTS

      the Bible stunt is the same mindset that led to WORLDWIDE riots over George Floyd

      THESE THINGS ^^^^ are all the same tragic flaw.

    • Stagger Lee

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      the IG was a Trump appointee! Fake news!

      says the guy who posted Russian dinformation from Rudy?

      You probably also discounted all those other IG reports

      Trump’s Sec of State firing all those IGs

      Ignored all those IG reports that DESTROYED Trump’s various hoax claims

      ignore NOW when Rudy’s bribe tape go live

      ignore NOW when McGahn says that Trump asked him the lie

      IN OTHER WORDS, even if the IG report is accurate and NOT just some political hack job, you guys collectively — Trumpers — are a pack of boys who cried wolf for FIVE YEARS BECAUSE you willfully parroted Trump LIE after LIE after LIE after LIE.

      This is why your HYPER-POLITICAL cries now that Biden is a “liar” and the media are “liars” go NOWHERE . . you Trumpers said the same thing during Russia, Ukraine, the insurrection, Coronavirus, “china trade wars, tariffs, build the wall, Flynn, Manafort, caging kids, the El Paso shooting etc etc etc . .

    • FireLicht2020

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      This is the problem with the “I’m not a Trumper (but I really am crowd)”

      You keep claiming, especially after Jan 6th, that he wasn’t your guy and blah blah blah…

      Yet you run to your keyboard for just the tiniest, minuscule victories…

      The media gets things wrong. Sometimes it is intentionally, but usually it’s just the nature of quick reporting in a 24/7, news cycle.

      But you all have confirmation bias so you run the furthest, most moronic conclusion.

      All the while, like Greenwald, ignoring the 24/7 disinformation campaign that Fox and Friends spread…

      You’re claiming victory on these absolute tiny wins, missing the bigger point about Trump’s dumbass Bible photo-op (and the irony when you dissect the teaching of the Bible – vanity)…

      You have selective outrage, and confirmation bias. From Fauci weaponizing the virus, to the laptop, to the cop dying Jan 6th, to this… you think that you’ve uncovering something more than the nature of 24/7 news and just the constant crying and crying and crying… while TOTALLY IGNORING far worse media coverage.

      Thats why you and Greenwald are fucking clowns.

    • Biggs3535

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      Yet you run to your keyboard for just the tiniest, minuscule victories…

      You sure are having to say this a lot recently, aren’t you?

      confirmation bias

      confirmation bias

      You keep saying it without explaining how confirmation bias applies to this story. Maybe those words do not mean what you think they mean, Vizzini.

      you think that you’ve uncovering something more than the nature of 24/7 news and just the constant crying and crying and crying… while TOTALLY IGNORING far worse media coverage.

      First off, lolz @ “far worse media coverage.” Is there anything worse than completely making up a story and running with it for days upon end – which negates your 24/7 news coverage excuse. This wasn’t a one-off that was quickly corrected and dropped. This was the MSM’s battle cry for weeks, and of course the useful idiots like Mr. Cronkite and yourself sucked it right up.

      Thats why you and Greenwald are fucking clowns.

      Greenwald & jbear – 1
      Mr. Mayor & Mr. Cronkite – 0

      The clowns are apparent.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Large Marge you hurt my feelings

      lmao

    • Stagger Lee

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      which is worse, to be an ardent and open Trump supporter or to feel so bad about his policies (that you support) and his shit show antics .. . that you deny allegiance?

      This is the problem with the “I’m not a Trumper (but I really am crowd)”

      You keep claiming, especially after Jan 6th, that he wasn’t your guy

      There’s an entire collection of supporters who try to distance themselves from Trump while actually supporting the policies. These are the supporters who buy into the “white grievance” populism approach Trump. They say things like “there no such thing as GOP voter suppression” when its obvious they are wrong because the policy is OBVIOUSLY doing their bidding at the EXPENSE of other citizens, often non-white.

      weird thing, self care of sorts

      • FireLicht2020

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        It’s like “I’m not racist but…”

      • jbear

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        Fire you are racist. I’ve already told you this.

    • spartan

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      This is disgusting. Our current President lied bold faced lied. Did he know? Did anyone know?

      It’s unbelievable. And Karma went on a four year rant about the truth and lies and still doesn’t get it. It’s sick and it’s coming back to bite the left hard.

      Would be hard pressed to distinguish a JBear post from a LargeMarge post from a KKKChron post. Lol.

      One aspect of story turning out to be false doesn’t make everyone “liars” . you clowns need a vocabulary lesson :-)

      Btw, why is this (Trump-appointed) IG credible but all those other IGs who reported Trump and his henchman doing bad things were … Deep State?

      You Trumpers are all reaping what you sowed. Most people will ignore your claims on things like this precisely because of the past, politically driven dishonesty.

      And why are we all reading about it … if the MSM is all aligned against truth?

      Weird, huh?

      Which would be a legitimate stance if it was one you had maintained for the last 4 years.

    • Stagger Lee

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      one you had maintained for the last 4 years.

      you still maintain that Flynn was innocent, right?

      that Rittenhouse was not a criminal, acted in self defense, wasn’t called to duty by Trump?

    • Runole

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      Only a complete idiot or mentally unstable person praises special needs and cognitively challenged “PUPPET” Joe. “America Last” is not the narrative for anyone that loves America.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Only a complete idiot or mentally unstable person praises special needs and cognitively challenged “PUPPET” Joe. “America Last” is not the narrative for anyone that loves America.

      AND JUST LIKE THAT, JBEAR AND LARGE MARGE GET THE RUNOLE ENDORSMENT

      Maybe the three of you can talk about hydro and carbon and muslims

    • jbear

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      IN OTHER WORDS, even if the IG report is accurate and NOT just some political hack job, you guys collectively — Trumpers — are a pack of boys who cried wolf for FIVE YEARS BECAUSE you willfully parroted Trump LIE after LIE after LIE after LIE.

      This is so Ironic. Do you even hear yourself. Did you forget what this thread is about?

      Hey Karma you’re posting in a thread that calls out the media that called people liars for believing the truth… for a year.

      And from a guy who proved daily over the last four years that you don’t know what a fact is or the difference between the truth and a lie. Does Trump lie? Of course, do you? Every time you open your mouth or your finger touches your keyboard. Get off your horse ahat.

    • spartan

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      you still maintain that Flynn was innocent, right?

      Of lying to the FBI yes. Jeez, even the guy he “lied to” says he didn’t lie, so who am I to think otherwise!

    • Stagger Lee

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      the media that called people liars for believing the truth

      link?

      The rest was just your kinda boring troll

    • Stagger Lee

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      you still maintain that Flynn was innocent, right?

      Of lying to the FBI yes. Jeez, even the guy he “lied to” says he didn’t lie, so who am I to think otherwise!

      :-)

      didnt even bother with the Rittenhouse part.

      No worries

    • jbear

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      lol that’s not true

      It was a symbol of who he is. He is a self-serving media clown who was in a position to lead during several crises BUT CHOSE HIS POLITICAL INTERESTS OVER LEADERSHIP

      this Bible stunt comes form the same mindset that said CV19 would go away, that it was a DEm Hoax . . and that led to 600K deaths, right?

      the Bible stunt is the same mindset that led him to bribe Ukraine –YOUR BOY RUDY TOO

      the Bible stunt is the same mindset that led the country through TWO IMPEACHMENTS

      the Bible stunt is the same mindset that led to WORLDWIDE riots over George Floyd

      THESE THINGS ^^^^ are all the same tragic flaw.

      What’s really tragic is that you really believe this. The deranged left is what led the country through two impeachments first of all.

      I know the Bible stunt pissed you and all your black shirt buddies off real bad. That’s why you called people telling the truth liars for an entire year. In la la land this is justice. Someone makes you mad, you go berzerk, make shit up, lie through your teeth and call everyone with a different view a liar. Even after you get busted you still post garbage like this.

      “It’s because Trumpy wanted a photo op” “How dare the orange man vilify the good social justice warriors”

      And this from a guy who swears he’s not a radical. How the hell are you not a radical? The truth is beating you over the head and you refuse to acknowledge it exists. That Trumps “crime” was just being against you. (team good guy)

      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

    • Kermit56

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

    • Stagger Lee

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      he deranged left is what led the country through two impeachments first of all.

      yeah, the deranged left is John McGahn? He just outed Trump asking him to lie

      or?

      Alexander Vindman. Maybe Alexander Vindman versus Rudy Guiliani?

      Trump apointee Gordon Sondland?

      Career diplomat Marie Yovanovitch?

      LMAO

      Quicksand alert

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      so even if you think that, its all those NOW proven Trump lies that seem to undercut you, right?

      By example, Kermit, you’re endorsing the opinion of a poster who parroted Rudy Guliani’s Hunter Biden mess . . and now seems embarrassed to address it as the REALITY has come out ON TAPE

      This is why all of this is almost farcical, right? Its a bunch of people suggesting OTHERS are crazy AFTER there an actual track record of their own that says .. well . .

      Its people like Large Marge calling others “dumb” after a “worstest hits” list of comedic errors

      That’s the point. If Trump got a raw deal from the coverage for this event,and it appears he did, then its unfair to him, but good luck convincing people of that . . because you all said AND STILL SAY .. Flynn was innocent, Russia was a hoax, Ukraine was a hoax, NO SUCH THING AS GOP VOTER SUPPRESSION

      human nature

      • jbear

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        “NOW proven Trump lies”.

        LOL

        You mean like how saying that Trump didn’t tear-gas protesters for a photo op was a lie until yesterday?

        This is not the only time you’ve been caught with your pants down and a very small handful of that sack between your legs in your hand. You are the person who was so sure that you had the facts and the Truth on everything that you openly mocked any poster who disagreed with you for over 4 years. Because you had the Truth on your side.

        But why should this time be any different from the time the insurrectionist Trump army murdered police officers or took control of the Senate chamber to dissolve the government? How many times have you called people liars for telling what turned out to be the truth? Dozens? Surely more like hundreds right?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear has nightmares about Bernie Sanders and his Medicare for All plan… wakes up in night sweats.

      (This a joke jbear, try not to cry)

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      The deranged left is what led the country through two impeachments first of all.

      :-)

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      you still maintain that Flynn was innocent, right?

      Of lying to the FBI yes. Jeez, even the guy he “lied to” says he didn’t lie, so who am I to think otherwise!

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      Did everyone get their Trump-hydro prescription?

      That prevented 500k deaths I heard! The lamestream media prevented it from… uh… being used. Yeah, something like that

      NO. Big pharma and the CDC jumped in on a drug proven to help dealing with Covid that had no history of side effects. The MSM just helped carry the water of Big Pharma. Hard to determine how many lives could have been saved had it not been wrongly banned.

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      right on cue

    • Stagger Lee

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      The author of this Op-ED about FAUCI is on the Pulitzer Prize board and probably one of the most-respected female editors in history

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      You guys (Trump supporters)are literally trying to twist reality to your own view.. across the country. Trimpism is synonymous with lying, with hiding reality, with gaslighting ….

      Kermit, you expect anyone to take your claim seriously?

    • jbear

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      There’s an entire collection of supporters who try to distance themselves from Trump while actually supporting the policies. These are the supporters who buy into the “white grievance” populism approach Trump. They say things like “there no such thing as GOP voter suppression” when its obvious they are wrong because the policy is OBVIOUSLY doing their bidding at the EXPENSE of other citizens, often non-white.

      weird thing, self care of sorts

      This is a whole lot of lies right here. Liar liarpants.

      It seems to me that you won’t rest until we have 100% voter turnout like all the really cool countries.

      Joe Biden's Merica

    • Stagger Lee

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      This is a whole lot of lies right here. Liar liarpants.

      It seems to me that you won’t rest until we have 100% voter turnout like all the really cool countries.

      Well played.

      The straw man is a common, but nice touch

    • Stagger Lee

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      30% of you believe in QAnon

      As many seem to believe Trump will be reinstated

      Point:

      good luck winning your “it’s not us, it’s the other 60% of Americans who are cray cray”

    • jbear

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      which is worse, to be an ardent and open Trump supporter or to feel so bad about his policies (that you support) and his shit show antics .. . that you deny allegiance?

      FireLicht2020 wrote:
      This is the problem with the “I’m not a Trumper (but I really am crowd)”

      You keep claiming, especially after Jan 6th, that he wasn’t your guy

      There’s an entire collection of supporters who try to distance themselves from Trump while actually supporting the policies. These are the supporters who buy into the “white grievance” populism approach Trump. They say things like “there no such thing as GOP voter suppression” when its obvious they are wrong because the policy is OBVIOUSLY doing their bidding at the EXPENSE of other citizens, often non-white.

      weird thing, self care of sorts

      This is total bullshit and it’s all due to your rabid partisanship that you feel the need to couch my politics in such absolute terms. When the other side gets called names “Trumper” for daring to call the guardian of the truth to the mat you know you’ve lost all objectivity.

      Once and for all, did Trump have peaceful protesters tear-gassed and shot with rubber bullets so he could have a photo op with a bible? Does it even matter to you? I think not.

    • Biggs3535

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      https://www.britannica.com/science/confirmation-bias

      Read it nice and slow

      I’m familiar with the concept, Mr. Mayor. The concept was applied to the initial false reporting by Mr. Cronkite and his colleagues in the MSM – repeatedly.

      Now, for a third time, explain how confirmation bias is being applied to this story – which is the correcting of the initial story. This story has confirmed reality, not bias. I’m happy to wait, giddy with anticipation.

    • Stagger Lee

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      it’s all due to your rabid partisanship that you feel the need to couch my politics in such absolute terms.

      no, not really. You kinda do it on your own

      he deranged left is what led the country through two impeachments first of all.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Once and for all, did Trump have peaceful protesters tear-gassed and shot with rubber bullets so he could have a photo op with a bible? Does it even matter to you? I think not

      youre too busy trolling to read, I think

      Or, maybes its that you just missed it under the mountain of Trumper lies I’ve posted here

    • Kermit56

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      Kermit, you expect anyone to take your claim seriously?

      Anyone with a 6th grade reading level and comprehension, yes. Your posts prove the point.

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by Kermit56.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Kermit, you expect anyone to take your claim seriously?

      Anyone with a 6th grade reading level and comprehension, yes. Your posts prove the point.

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by Kermit56.

      Content to have you think that

    • Biggs3535

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      Kermit, you expect anyone to take your claim seriously?

      Anyone with a 6th grade reading level and comprehension, yes. Your posts prove the point.

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by Kermit56.

      Content to have you think that

      Tell us something new, Mr. Cronkite. Everybody knows you have absolutely no shame, which is proven by your inordinate amount condescending posts in a thread that highlights your shameless nature.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Here’s a “paint by umbers” trip through human nature.

      Trumpers who now want everyone to react to this IG’s report hear from the people they try to cudgel things like “Trump-appointed IG” precisely because . . they are used to seeing things like . .

      The ultimate IG — the former Attorney General of the US, Barr . .

      go on national television and read a “summary” of another “report” to them . .

      that years down the road turned out to be FALSE

      They also see all manner of Trumper sycophant, Nunes, Jordan, Scalise etc claim, out of fealty, that everything is a hoax, a witch hunt etc

      You guys — Cove Trumpers – seem to almost ignore that human nature (ie that people dont generally pay attention to liars) and then call people dumb or crazy or liars themselves, in the process, because their skeptical?

      which .. just leads to an absolute AVALANCHE of sycophantic/cultist examples back in your face.

      You guys (Trumpers) put yourselves in this position, Trump did too, so its a little weird to cry that youre victims when you think the “enemy of the people” media who “perpetuated the Russia Hoax and the Ukraine hoax and the Covid hoax” has gotten something wrong

    • Stagger Lee

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      Kermit, you expect anyone to take your claim seriously?

      Anyone with a 6th grade reading level and comprehension, yes. Your posts prove the point.

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by Kermit56.

      Content to have you think that

      Tell us something new, Mr. Cronkite. Everybody knows you have absolutely no shame, which is proven by your inordinate amount condescending posts in a thread that highlights your shameless nature.

      Marge,

      which is stranger

      that a poster doesnt really care enough to keep responding to exclusively off topic, personal attacks on an “anonymous” off topic football message board

      OR

      that you apparently care enough about political posts to do almost nothing BUT post off topic, personal attacks on an “anonymous” off topic football message board

      :-)

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    • Stagger Lee

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      LMAO. what a perfect answer to my question

      OR

      that you apparently care enough about political posts to do almost nothing BUT post off topic, personal attacks on an “anonymous” off topic football message board

      Large Marge — making me out to be a genius, daily.

    • Stagger Lee

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      And you still Don’t get it? The ends always justify the means because you know that your side is right and you go so far as to deny reality, facts and truth. It’s insanity.

      It’s not so much insanity as it is that cocoon he keeps mentioning.

      right on cue

      I think Cotton is a Republican, right

    • jbear

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      Tell us something new, Mr. Cronkite. Everybody knows you have absolutely no shame, which is proven by your inordinate amount condescending posts in a thread that highlights your shameless nature.

      Good one.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Hilarious to watch Greenwald get dragged with a point I made here

    • Stagger Lee

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      Part deux

    • jbear

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      Part deux

      That’s cute but the secret service didn’t fire tear gas or rubber bullets at protesters. Sounds like another wild assed assumption you’ll all pose as a fact. “maybe the secret service told x y or z to use tear gas or maybe Trumps alien friends fired the teargas from invisible UFO’s” When will it end Karma?

    • Stagger Lee

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      Part deux

      That’s cute but the secret service didn’t fire tear gas or rubber bullets at protesters. Sounds like another wild assed assumption you’ll all pose as a fact. “maybe the secret service told x y or z to use tear gas or maybe Trumps alien friends fired the teargas from invisible UFO’s” When will it end Karma?

      Not saying it’s the truth I am saying it’s the flaw in the report by the “Trump aappointee” l that people will seize on.

      It’s me right in Ed about 100 posts back :-)

      Back when you were calling everyone liars.

      Guess that’s not the best marker.

      Back when you finally addressed Rudy’s brine audio?

      No that’s not it

    • spartan

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      you still maintain that Flynn was innocent, right?

      Of lying to the FBI yes. Jeez, even the guy he “lied to” says he didn’t lie, so who am I to think otherwise!

      :-)

      didnt even bother with the Rittenhouse part.

      No worries

      Bwahaha

      Oh sorry, that’s how you do it.

      I don’t care to re-litigate the whole Rittenhouse thing. There’s only so much sh*t I can deal with in a day.

    • spartan

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      The straw man is a common, but nice touch

      Says the poster who brought in Rittenhouse, Flynn, Faucci and the Texas Governor into a conversation on if Trump tear gassed some protestors.

    • spartan

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      Not saying it’s the truth I am saying it’s the flaw in the report

      What’s flaw?

      The allegation is the Park Police cleared the park so that President Trump could enter the park. If the Secret Service entered the area earlier than the “operational plan”, it means they were supposed to enter the area as per a pre-determined agreement but shot the bolt. They screwed up basically it what it seems to say.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Not saying it’s the truth I am saying it’s the flaw in the report

      What’s flaw?

      The allegation is the Park Police cleared the park so that President Trump could enter the park. If the Secret Service entered the area earlier than the “operational plan”, it means they were supposed to enter the area as per a pre-determined agreement but shot the bolt. They screwed up basically it what it seems to say.

      Lmao. Okay

    • Stagger Lee

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      The straw man is a common, but nice touch

      Says the poster who brought in Rittenhouse, Flynn, Faucci and the Texas Governor into a conversation on if Trump tear gassed some protestors.

      I didn’t bring those people in. I called you OUT

      and you had nothing

      Lol

    • spartan

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      Not saying it’s the truth I am saying it’s the flaw in the report

      What’s flaw?

      The allegation is the Park Police cleared the park so that President Trump could enter the park. If the Secret Service entered the area earlier than the “operational plan”, it means they were supposed to enter the area as per a pre-determined agreement but shot the bolt. They screwed up basically it what it seems to say.

      Lmao. Okay

      Bwahaha ?

    • spartan

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      I didn’t bring those people in. I called you OUT

      Um, yes you did. Read the thread. And you “called me out” for what?

    • Stagger Lee

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      Not saying it’s the truth I am saying it’s the flaw in the report

      What’s flaw?

      The allegation is the Park Police cleared the park so that President Trump could enter the park. If the Secret Service entered the area earlier than the “operational plan”, it means they were supposed to enter the area as per a pre-determined agreement but shot the bolt. They screwed up basically it what it seems to say.

      Lmao. Okay

      Bwahaha ?

      NYT – Trump found today in his room in Mar Lago with three dead babies. The babies were all impales on a golden sword with the initial DJT on it and Trump was covered on blood

      Spartan – he issued a statement that it was self defense and he seems pretty genuine so it’s self defense until someone can prove otherwise. Besides Mike Flynn says it was self defense snd he never lies. Oh and Tucker Carlson is reporting that it may have been the Deep State

      😁

      • jbear

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        Ok, you’ve officially lost your mind.

    • Biggs3535

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      Not saying it’s the truth

      Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

      The straw man is a common, but nice touch

      Says the poster who brought in Rittenhouse, Flynn, Faucci and the Texas Governor into a conversation on if Trump tear gassed some protestors.

      It’s literally his only play. If he repeats it often enough, it might become reality for another dingleberry.

      And he isn’t capable of recognizing the hypocrisy. Just isn’t.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Not saying it’s the truth

      Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

      The straw man is a common, but nice touch

      Says the poster who brought in Rittenhouse, Flynn, Faucci and the Texas Governor into a conversation on if Trump tear gassed some protestors.

      It’s literally his only play. If he repeats it often enough, it might become reality for another dingleberry.

      And he isn’t capable of recognizing the hypocrisy. Just isn’t.

      And here I was thinking this would be an on topic post

      Lol

      Well, it’s us on topic … for you, right?

      😂

    • Stagger Lee

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      There’s a comment by Fire about confirmation bias

      Look at the collective angst from Trumpers here to ANY push back on stories that are being floated by Trump

      Compare that to wholly ignoring stories like Giuliani bribe.

      The same people who posted outrage over the surveillance of Carter Page… silent when news breaks that Trump subpoenaed records of Congressional oversight … including their children

      • jbear

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        Subpoena…. that’s through the court obviously. There is always the possibility of abuse when the government is involved but soo far none of that is out there in the public sphere. Possibility doesn’t equal outrage.

        Until details started to emerge about abuse in the Carter page stuff nobody cared…even me.

        • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by jbear.

    • Stagger Lee

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      Subpoena…. that’s through the court obviously. There is always the possibility of abuse when the government is involved but soo far none of that is out there in the public sphere. Possibility doesn’t equal outrage.

      Until details started to emerge about abuse in the Carter page stuff nobody cared…even me.

      • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by jbear.

      Spartan, that you?

    • Stagger Lee

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      Subpoena…. that’s through the court obviously.

      Uh

      So is a warrant

      Page was a lobbyist

      This was against another branch of govt and they knew it was bad because they sought a gag order too

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