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    • DEBUCSOWN

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      Qb is the most important position in sports.

      You build teams in the trenches.

      Our o line, d line, & qb all dominant.

      2020 tampa bay buccaneers could be a top 5 if not top 3 all time team from a talent and dominance perspective.

      Whay say you?

    • JC5100

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      They did great things in the playoffs but they were also 11-5 and likely would have lost in the 2nd round if not for a fumble.

      70s Steelers and Cowboys, 80s 49ers, 1985 Bears, 90s Cowboys, 49ers, Packers and Broncos. 2000 Ravens not only had a historic defense but had 3 Hall of Fame caliber players on offense.

      There’s 20 some odd teams better than this one.

      • BP1

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        I thought fumbles were part of the game. The defense didn’t cause the fumble? The last time I checked a team win is made up of big plays on both sides of the ball.

      • Hockey Duckie

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        You are missing the point here. The fumble making the difference implies that maybe the Bucs were involved in a tight game. Just exactly how talented were the 2020 Bucs in the playoffs?

        2020 Bucs’ playoffs record

          Wild card: TB 31, WFT 23; point differential = 8 points
          Division: TB 30, NO 20; point differential = 10 points
          Conference: TB 31, GB 26; point differential = 5 points
          Super Bowl: TB 31, KC 9; point differential = 22 points

        2002 Bucs’ playoffs record

          Division: SF 6, TB 31; point differential = 25 points
          Conference: TB 27, PHi 10; point differential = 17 points
          Super Bowl: TB 48, Oak 21; point differential = 27 points

        As you can see, the OP is bringing this up only because of the Super Bowl and not the whole playoff run. That’s called cherry picking.

        If you look at what the 2002 Super Bowl Bucs did as a whole in the playoffs, then it puts the 2020 Bucs to shame. The 2002 Bucs were dominate in all their games in the playoffs, AINEC. I shared the point differential to make it easier to identify the dominance and the consistent dominance in the playoffs.

        I hope this helps! We got a HOF QB to fix our offensive woes and push us to win a Super Bowl. Brady is that amazing!

    • kenntak

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      Did any of those teams hold the opponent to no TDs in a Super Bowl? Only the 1971 Cowboys on your list did; and that was a different era.

      How do you know the Bucs likely would have lost if not for the fumble? That’s pretty presumptuous. A lot of games can turn on one or two plays, NE made a living of winning Super Bowls by 3 points. The mighty Steelers had 2 close games with the Cowboys. The mighty 49ers had 2 close games with the Bengals. Take a look at the stats for the Bucs the last 8 games. It is pretty impressive.

      • JC5100

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        If the Saints get a FG their win % is 93%, a touchdown is 98%. Just because you don’t like the data doesn’t make it invalid.

        And no TDs allowed in the Super Bowl is an arbitrary throw in you used to try to make the Bucs 2020 defense better than the Steel Curtain, 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs. Doesn’t work that way.

      • BucBalla85

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        But it’s not like he just fumbled it, our guy made a big play to cause the fumble. I would agree if he had strait up just dropped it while running. Then that is a dumb mistake by the Saints player. This was caused by the buc player and should get credit for making a big key play at a big key time.

    • theknees

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      There’s little to no debate about this. This team is the most talented team of all time.

      Suh – HOF stats
      JPP – HOF stats
      David – HOF stats
      Vea – HOF trajectory, his first two seasons are favorable for HOF consideration
      Shaq – HOF trajectory
      Windfield – Rookie year to die for
      Wirfs – already top 3 at his position in the game
      White – 2nd season, dominant tackle machine with a propensity for turnovers.
      Brady – HOF three times over
      Evans – Has done something no other receiver has done
      Godwin – Super solid franchise 1 type player
      AB – HOF stats
      Gronk – HOF
      Lenny – playoff woke
      Jones – getting better with every touch.

      You just can’t argue against it being the most talented team of all time. If healthy, the 2021 team could be the best ever.

    • kenntak

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      It was not just a fumble by the way, it was punched out of Cook’s hands. It was a stellar defensive play by Winfield, like an interception. It was not a given the Saints would have scored, they were not even in field goal range at the time.

      You could play the “if” game with any close game. What if Dwight Clark dropped the winning TD in the Championship game? What if the Ravens did not block the field goal and return it 90 yards for a TD in the 4th quarter against the Titans? Examples from Super Bowls: Butler’s interception, Tyree’s helmet catch, Montana’s 98-yard drive, Smith’s end zone drop against the Steelers, Dyson barely missing the end zone, the Steelers blocking the punt against the Cowboys, Harrison’s 100 yard interception against the Cardinals, Vinatieri, Porter intercepting Peyton, etc.

      The Bucs had to win three playoff games on the road. The Super Bowl game was not close. It was an amazing accomplishment to hold the defending Super Bowl champs without a TD.

      Who knows how the Bucs would have done against other Super Bowl teams. I would not toss them aside so easily because they had to make big plays to get to the Super Bowl. The great teams find a way to win. I do know that the Bucs reached their peak at precisely the right time, and in the Super Bowl, they were truly unstoppable.

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    • Charles

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      Why don’t we have an ignore feature?

    • BuccaNOLEer

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      I think bringing in new talent, combined with COVID putting the brakes on a true offseason and training camp, prevented this team from gelling properly. This team was better than its 11-5 record and the playoffs proved that.

      That’s why it’s important to keep everyone who is a free agent and shore up certain positions like the trenches in the draft.

    • mjs020294

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      The 2020 Bucs had talent all over the roster. I don’t remember a team with as much talent on both sides of the ball. They were only just getting used to playing together in the playoffs. If they keep the core together and continue to develop into next year and repeat this topic should be revisited.

      • JC5100

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        You don’t remember the 90s Cowboys, 49ers, Packer and Broncos?

    • Alldaway 2.0

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      2020 Bucs were stacked with talent and is definitely in my top 15 IMO.

      Build the trenches!

    • RHBucsFan

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      HOF locks: Brady & Gronk
      HOF likely: Evans

      That’s it. Some of you want to downplay how hard it is to make the HOF.

      Lots of pro bowl caliber players all over the roster though.

      • JC5100

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        1995 Cowboys had 6 Hall of Fame players and then guys like Novacek, Tuinei, Erik Williams, Russell Maryland, Leon Lett, Darren Woodson.

    • kenntak

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      You really have to have this discussion 10-15 years from now. Who knows, Winfield and Wirfs might be potential HoF players.

    • obuc

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      Most talented of all time?? I think we can hold on that one. This is a team that, IMO, was a young teenager that, over the course of 16 weeks, grew up and became an adult. So much of a good NFL season is about when you peak and this team peaked at the right time. The other way that they grew up is that they played devoid of penalties. I think the offense, in the last 10 games of the season was penalized a total of 10 times. Discipline on offense is something we have never had; another sign that a team has grown up.

      now, next year, if this defense picked up where it left off and is one of those where you have to get pretty lucky to score more than 17 on them, the offense produces a down hill running game and can score in multiple ways? then there is a conversation there.

    • Hockey Duckie

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      Are we talking about the 2020 Bucs being dominate all playoffs or just the Super Bowl? Either way, the 2002 Bucs were better, ANEIC.

      2020 Bucs’ playoffs record

        Wild card: TB 31, WFT 23; point differential = 8 points
        Division: TB 30, NO 20; point differential = 10 points
        Conference: TB 31, GB 26; point differential = 5 points
        Super Bowl: TB 31, KC 9; point differential = 22 points

      2002 Bucs’ playoffs record

        Division: SF 6, TB 31; point differential = 25 points
        Conference: TB 27, PHi 10; point differential = 17 points
        Super Bowl: TB 48, Oak 21; point differential = 27 points

    • buccnation

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      Yeah this is definitely not the most talented team ever assembled.

    • theknees

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      It’s the most talented team ever assembled. Not debatable.

    • Swash

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      JC – yes the Saints game could have went a different way, but it didn’t because a talented player made a huge play in a crucial situation. I’m so confused by your logic, it’s like you play devils advocate to get a rise out of people. We get it, you’re not a homer. *eye roll*

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