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      Speedy WR Herron could contribute immediately By Roy Cummings | Tribune Staff Published: June 4, 2014herron_zps60ebcb14.pngCoaches are working with rookie Robert Herron on how to best use his speed. TRIBUNE FILE PHOTO TAMPA — Nothing defines draft value better than a late-round selection who can step in and contribute — or better yet, start right out of the box. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers may have secured just such a value pick in rookie wide receiver Robert Herron, their sixth-round selection out of Wyoming. Herron has been working mostly at the slot receiver spot since joining the Bucs and his raw speed is something they may want to take immediate advantage of. “Robert has done a really good job,’’ Bucs offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford said. “He brings a lot of speed as an inside receiver, so I think the guys we’ve drafted are going to play a major role in what we’re doing.’’ The Bucs are already counting on their top three picks (wide receiver Mike Evans, tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins and running back Charles Sims) contributing regularly this year. Their fifth-round picks (guard Kadeem Edwards and tackle Kevin Pamphile) appear to be in line for backup roles, but Herron could immediately give the Bucs a fourth contributor from this year’s draft class. He’ll likely have to beat out Chris Owuso to do it, but with 4.4-second speed in the 40-yard dash and a 35-inch vertical leap, Herron has the athleticism necessary to win the battle. All he needs is to learn how to best use that skill. “You watch him and you definitely see the leaping ability and the speed right away,’’ said Bucs wide receivers coach Andrew Hayes-Stoker. “But he has to learn how to tempo his speed in order to be an asset. “I mean, he can go. He has juice. Defensive backs should be scared of his juice. He just has to learn how to use it. You know, use some of it and then — boom — at the very end of the route, burst on a guy. “It’s like having a car with 600 horsepower. You give it to a new driver and sometimes, that’s a lot of power to have. He just has to learn how to control it and how to use it.” rcummings@tampatrib.com (813) 259-7979 Twitter: @RcummingsTBO

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      I’m looking forward to watching Herron in the pre-season. I think he has a very valid shot at the #3 receiver position. Also, I wouldn’t write off Edwards just yet, I’ve got a feeling that he might surprise as well. I love the guys attitude.

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    • gobucs123

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      Such an amazing pick in round 6 . I wanted the guy in round 3. Thank you for out-thinking yourselves again , NFL Scouts.

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    • Anonymous

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      Herron is the perfect slot receiver for the Bucs.  Still has a ways to go to be ready to be an impact NFL player but the skill set is there

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      I have high hopes for this guy. Herron is in the perfect situation with big targets around him.

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    • Anonymous

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      I like herron but Idk if starting two rookie wrs in conducive to success. Don’t get me wrong I’d love for herron to ball out that would be a big chunk of our offense depending on two rookies.

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      They seem pretty high on him for sure. That other Wyoming guy didn’t last a week. Just playing devils advocate. If he has all this talent, why didn’t Herron get recruited to a big time college program?

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      Where did Jerry Rice go to school?  Terrell Owens? 

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      Where did Jerry Rice go to school?  Terrell Owens?

      Jerry Rice was born in arguably the most segregated state in the country at a time many schools in the SEC were barely integrated. Lots of players then chose to go to historically black schools, instead. Terrell Owens was mostly a basketball player in high school.

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      Where did Jerry Rice go to school?  Terrell Owens?

      I hear ya.  But Herron was a pretty good high school player in Compton, friends with Dashon Goldson when he was growing up. I think he had academic problems early on, but when has that stopped a big time college program from recruiting a player?  [Think Keith McCants]

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      Where did Jerry Rice go to school?  Terrell Owens?

      I hear ya.  But Herron was a pretty good high school player in Compton, friends with Dashon Goldson when he was growing up. I think he had academic problems early on, but when has that stopped a big time college program from recruiting a player?  [Think Keith McCants]

      actually, if this article is correct, he switched high schools before his junior year and even then the new team did not know where to play him. He was a great athlete, but rough. Looks like he basically had a strong senior year and that's about itbtw, if you read this article and you're not rooting for this kid . . . . wow, he has not had it easyhttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/1936140-wyoming-wide-receiver-robert-herron-never-had-it-easy

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      Where did Jerry Rice go to school?  Terrell Owens?

      I hear ya.  But Herron was a pretty good high school player in Compton, friends with Dashon Goldson when he was growing up. I think he had academic problems early on, but when has that stopped a big time college program from recruiting a player?  [Think Keith McCants]

      He switched high schools before his junior year and even then the new team did not know where to play him. He was a great athlete, but rough. Looks like he basically had a strong senior year and that's about it

      Well, that doesn't explain him not being recruited to a big time college program. Wyoming? Really?And he was drafted in the 6th round. So every GM in the league passed on him 5 or 6 times. Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns into an All-Pro. But its just curious, he has something scaring talent evaluators off.

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      Good article, but on the thread title: “Nothing defines draft value better than a late rounder who can start right away” – that’s not draft value, that’s lack of depth.  Especially if he has a chance to start even before he flashes in the pre-season.

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      I hope Herron turns out to be a good player, but let’s wait for him to actually do something before we chastise big time college football programs and NFL teams for overlooking him. There’s no getting around the fact that he’s small and doesn’t have elite speed. A lot of big time college programs don’t recruit kids that small who aren’t track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5’9″ 4.5 turn out to be good, but that’s for schools like Wyoming to find them. USC wants the kids bigger than that and Oregon wants the ones who are faster. Also, west coast recruiting is different than what we're used to in the southeast. The state of California produces more NFL players than any other state. Yet there are only four "big time" programs there and two of them are among the best academic institutions in the country. There are two big schools in Oregon, two in Washington, and two in Arizona. If one of those schools doesn't want you, your next stop is Wyoming. It's not like down here where if none of the SEC schools want you, there are all the schools in the ACC who might.

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      Where did Jerry Rice go to school?  Terrell Owens?

      I hear ya.  But Herron was a pretty good high school player in Compton, friends with Dashon Goldson when he was growing up. I think he had academic problems early on, but when has that stopped a big time college program from recruiting a player?  [Think Keith McCants]

      He switched high schools before his junior year and even then the new team did not know where to play him. He was a great athlete, but rough. Looks like he basically had a strong senior year and that's about it

      Well, that doesn't explain him not being recruited to a big time college program. Wyoming? Really?And he was drafted in the 6th round. So every GM in the league passed on him 5 or 6 times. Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns into an All-Pro. But its just curious, he has something scaring talent evaluators off.

      Valid concerns. I think we should pump the breaks on the expectations for the 6th rounder but it will be fun to watch how it unfolds. It's certainly not a bad thing he's getting some high praise from coaches.

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    • Anonymous

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      Definitely psyched about Herron.I think the team views Draft status as meaning nothing...  they want players.How does one learn to throttle speed?  Is it instinct?    What kind of drills would Hayes-Stoker use for that?  Herron could be deadly in the 5 - 15 yard zone.

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    • brycen54

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      Forsazh! You only have so much, much wiser to ration it for when it will do you the most good.

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          No doubt developing a change-of-pace would help him get defenders into taking bad angles on him. He needs to learn he’s not gonna win too many footraces; there are a LOT of fast DBs in the NFL.    Somehow he seems to have gotten the reputation for not liking to run routes over the middle. No idea where that came from, but I've seen it referred to in some internet reports on him... Hopefully it's BS...

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    • Anonymous

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

      Tiquan Underwood was pretty fast.

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

      Tiquan Underwood was pretty fast.

      Fast yes, elusive no.

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

      Tiquan Underwood was pretty fast.

      Fast yes, elusive no.

      Just how much elusiveness does Herron have to get away from defensive backs when he's basically just a hair faster than Sammie Stroughter was?

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

      Tiquan Underwood was pretty fast.

      Fast yes, elusive no.

      Just how much elusiveness does Herron have to get away from defensive backs when he's basically just a hair faster than Sammie Stroughter was?

      Again, Im not saying Herron is that guy.  Im saying the eager-ness of the fan base for a home run threat in the slot is understandable.  Because of that, any guy we get with a little bit of speed/elusiveness gets elevated to that potential ceiling by the fan base.

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    • Anonymous

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

      Tiquan Underwood was pretty fast.

      Fast yes, elusive no.

      Just how much elusiveness does Herron have to get away from defensive backs when he's basically just a hair faster than Sammie Stroughter was?

      Didnt Herron run in the 4.2s and Stroughter was in the 4.5s?

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    • Anonymous

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      Its easy to understand Bucs fans excitement about this guy.  Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      I think it's quite premature to say that about him. He has very average speed for his size.

      Not saying he is, Im commenting on the fans starvation for a guy like that.

      Tiquan Underwood was pretty fast.

      Fast yes, elusive no.

      Just how much elusiveness does Herron have to get away from defensive backs when he's basically just a hair faster than Sammie Stroughter was?

      Didnt Herron run in the 4.2s and Stroughter was in the 4.5s?

      There are various reports of him being that fast on other occasions, but at the actual Combine, on the same surface as everyone else and with the same stop watches as everyone else, he was timed at 4.47. (Stroughter ran 4.54 in 2009 and Mike Williams 4.53 in 2010.) Maybe Herron just had a bad day and is actually faster than that, but it's just as possible he's not as fast as people think he is.

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      Hmm, I did not know that thanks.  Any chance you know what 40 times Williams and Stroughter ran at their own pro days?

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      Hmm, I did not know that thanks.  Any chance you know what 40 times Williams and Stroughter ran at their own pro days?

      It's hard to take any Pro Day reports as hard evidence, but this site says Williams ran another 4.53 while Stroughter improved his time to 4.45.

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      Hmm, I did not know that thanks.  Any chance you know what 40 times Williams and Stroughter ran at their own pro days?

      It's hard to take any Pro Day reports as hard evidence, but this site says Williams ran another 4.53 while Stroughter improved his time to 4.45.

      yeah, I was just trying to get apples-to -apples.  I get the questions about reliability, but if Herron ran 4.2s at his Pro Day and Stroughter and Williams ran 4.4s and 4.5s, he's probably quite a bit faster than Stroughter (or maybe more accurate to say he has a better chance of having "elite" speed). But still, straight line speed probably doesn't mean as much as change of speed anyway.thanks for the info

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      would love for this kid to work out for us. Seems we’ve never had a slot receiver to count on.Nice to see in one draft that we addressed 2 positions Dom ignored the past few years - TE and slot WR

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    • Anonymous

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      Herron ran a 4.35 at his pro day, hes plenty fast and explosive.

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      Hmm, I did not know that thanks.  Any chance you know what 40 times Williams and Stroughter ran at their own pro days?

      It's hard to take any Pro Day reports as hard evidence, but this site says Williams ran another 4.53 while Stroughter improved his time to 4.45.

      yeah, I was just trying to get apples-to -apples.  I get the questions about reliability, but if Herron ran 4.2s at his Pro Day and Stroughter and Williams ran 4.4s and 4.5s, he's probably quite a bit faster than Stroughter (or maybe more accurate to say he has a better chance of having "elite" speed). But still, straight line speed probably doesn't mean as much as change of speed anyway.thanks for the info

      NFLDraftScout claims Herron ran 4.35 at his Pro Day, so it's possible he actually has an Underwood level of speed, but it's also possible he got the benefit of a human, non-electronic stop watch or that the Wyoming track is faster than the Combine track. We don't really know. All we definitely know was on that day on the same track everyone else ran on using the same timers everyone else used, he only ran an average 40.

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven’t had that in the slot in quite awhile.

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

      Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

      Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol

      That fans overrate every unproven player with potential while forgetting that every disappointing current or former pro was once a great prospect, too? I agree.

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

      Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol

      That fans overrate every unproven player with potential while forgetting that every disappointing current or former pro was once a great prospect, too? I agree.

      More specifically in areas of need.  Not to mention the favorite phrase our OC uttered early..."speed in space".  Im honestly more interested in seeing Demps than Herron.

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      Who was our last player who was a legit homerun threat whenever he touched the ball?

      There wasn't one that I can remember.

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      Then don’t get your heart broken if Demps doesn’t even make the final roster.

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

      Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol

      That fans overrate every unproven player with potential while forgetting that every disappointing current or former pro was once a great prospect, too? I agree.

      More specifically in areas of need.  Not to mention the favorite phrase our OC uttered early..."speed in space".  Im honestly more interested in seeing Demps than Herron.

      are there 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone times for Demps?

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      Then don't get your heart broken if Demps doesn't even make the final roster.

      I wont.  But I think he fits the homerun threat better than Herron.

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      isnt a slot guy more of an underneath guy?

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

      Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol

      That fans overrate every unproven player with potential while forgetting that every disappointing current or former pro was once a great prospect, too? I agree.

      More specifically in areas of need.  Not to mention the favorite phrase our OC uttered early..."speed in space".  Im honestly more interested in seeing Demps than Herron.

      are there 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone times for Demps?

      I don't see any out there. He either didn't attend the Combine at all or didn't do any drills.

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      Then don't get your heart broken if Demps doesn't even make the final roster.

      I wont.  But I think he fits the homerun threat better than Herron.

      He has the speed but it's still to be seen if he has a position and can translate that to the NFL game. At least with Herron, we should be reasonably confident his floor will be a Stroughter level #4 receiver, but Demps' floor is off the team in two months.

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      thanks FRG.  I agree with your thoughts on Demps

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      Then don't get your heart broken if Demps doesn't even make the final roster.

      I wont.  But I think he fits the homerun threat better than Herron.

      He has the speed but it's still to be seen if he has a position and can translate that to the NFL game. At least with Herron, we should be reasonably confident his floor will be a Stroughter level #4 receiver, but Demps' floor is off the team in two months.

      Agree completely.  But thats why Demps intrigues me more.

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      His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.

      Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

      Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol

      That fans overrate every unproven player with potential while forgetting that every disappointing current or former pro was once a great prospect, too? I agree.

      More specifically in areas of need.  Not to mention the favorite phrase our OC uttered early..."speed in space".  Im honestly more interested in seeing Demps than Herron.

      are there 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone times for Demps?

      No ,  he didn't attend the combine or any pro day . He was overseas running track .

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      A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

      Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.Tavon Austin      5-8    176          WVUDemps                5-8    188DeSean            5-10    176          CalWarrick Dunn      5-9    187          FSUSproles                5-6    190          KSSteve Smith        5-9    185          UtahWelker                5-9    185        Texas Tech

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      A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

      Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.Tavon Austin      5-8    176          WVUDemps                5-8    188DeSean            5-10    176          CalWarrick Dunn      5-9    187          FSUSproles                5-6    190          KSSteve Smith        5-9    185          UtahWelker                5-9    185        Texas Tech

      I'm guessing he wasn't good enough.

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      Is Utah a better program than Wyoming? West Virginia?

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      Is Utah a better program than Wyoming? West Virginia?

      Only for the two years Urban Myer was there.

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      Is Utah a better program than Wyoming? West Virginia?

      I think so. Utah has had quite a few NFL players.Jamal AndersonParis Warren  [ugh]Scott MitchellLarry WilsonJordan GrossSteve SmithManny FernandezWest Virginia has been producing NFL prospects pretty well the last few years.TandyGenoTavon AustinGoodeBecth  [sp?]WyomingHerronBrett Smith??

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      A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

      Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.Tavon Austin      5-8    176          WVUDemps                5-8    188DeSean            5-10    176          CalWarrick Dunn      5-9    187          FSUSproles                5-6    190          KSSteve Smith        5-9    185          UtahWelker                5-9    185        Texas Tech

      I said one out of 100 5'9" 4.5 prospects turns out to be good.

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      A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

      Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.Tavon Austin      5-8    176          WVUDemps                5-8    188DeSean            5-10    176          CalWarrick Dunn      5-9    187          FSUSproles                5-6    190          KSSteve Smith        5-9    185          UtahWelker                5-9    185        Texas Tech

      I said one out of 100 5'9" 4.5 prospects turns out to be good.

      Understood.  My point was, plenty of players smaller than Herron get recruited to big time programs.

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      A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

      Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.Tavon Austin      5-8    176          WVUDemps                5-8    188DeSean            5-10    176          CalWarrick Dunn      5-9    187          FSUSproles                5-6    190          KSSteve Smith        5-9    185          UtahWelker                5-9    185        Texas Tech

      I said one out of 100 5'9" 4.5 prospects turns out to be good.

      Understood.  My point was, plenty of players smaller than Herron get recruited to big time programs.

      Do you know how many 5'9" 4.5 prospects come out of California every year?

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      Herron is not a 4.5 guy . Get your facts straight , bro.He disappointed somewhat at the combine but still ran in the 4.4's with an official 4.48.Came back at his pro day and made up for it with this :"There were reportedly 15 teams in attendance at Wyoming's pro day on Thursday, and wide receiver Robert Herron was a scene-stealer, with Benjamin Allbright reporting that he clock Herron at 4.25 and 4.29 in the 40-yard dash. The Wyoming receiver also had "natural hands" according to Allbright, and that could signal a rise up the draft boards for Herron"http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/13/5503944/nfl-pro-day-results-march-13

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    • vlagatta

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      “Nothing defines draft value better than a late-round selection who can step in and contribute — or better yet, start right out of the box.”Perhaps the most ignorant statement ever put forth by Cummings that I have ever read.Oh I dunno Roy, how about a player who we drafted in late rounds who goes on to have an entire amazing career with us?  wouldn't that be better?We've had our share of "first season wonders".  I'd rather see a guy be amazing for his career.

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    • Anonymous

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      usually having a late round pick become a starter right away is more a sign of a junk team that has a lot of holes in it more than a good drafting team.

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