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    • Vance

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      Honestly answer this question.. . Do you feel confident in our secondary to play man to man this year while having success doing it? We are a really good zone coverage defense, but some quarterbacks lick their chops when they see zone. It looked great against the Cheifs. When we played some others it got destroyed.

    • leeroybuc93

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      Yeah, we played a lot of man down the stretch and it worked pretty well aside from Tyreke Hill.

    • Alldaway 2.0

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      Yes.

      I think the more important question is the depth. When you have Cockrell, Miller and Edwards coming off the bench that means good things.

      I do not see regression for the two boundary CBS in Dean and Davis. But for me SMB is a very streaky player and needs to show improvement.

      Build the trenches!

    • JC5100

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      This season is so important because this is the last year they’re all on their rookie deals. Davis, SMB, Dean, Winfield, Whitehead and Edwards combined cap hit is $11.1M. That’s insane positional value.

    • DEBUCSOWN

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      We have arguably the best front 7 in the league. Top 3 anyway.

      As long as we generate pressure our D will ball out.

      Winfield becomes an all pro this year imho.

    • KyBucfan51

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      Feeling very confident in the development of our secondary everyone showed up when called on. Guys like Dean and SMB displayed good talent for young players although I would like to keep an eye on Dean injury history. Finally have a complete defense I’m very excited for the upcoming season.

    • seekpar

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      Given how the secondary played late in the season and during the playoff run, and they get a more normal preseason prep this season, I feel we can expect excellence from them. But as DEBUCS points out, you still need pressure on the QB, goes hand in hand with successful secondary play.

    • ISLAND BUCS

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      Alldaway

      Are you confident about Miller at CB?

      Remain intimately at the heart of experience.

      • Alldaway 2.0

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        I think so because he shows a lot of promise.

        Build the trenches!

    • Hockey Duckie

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      I want another top end safety. The biggest difference between 2019 and 2020 in our secondary is AWJ. We do need better talent after AWJ just in case.

    • m_j

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      nope, zero!
      I truly hope I‘m wrong

    • Pennywise

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      Bucs vs KC in the Super Bowl

      The Buccaneers’ defense aligned in a two-high safety shell on 87% of plays (59 of 68 plays), the HIGHEST rate by a Todd Bowles-led defense in a game over the last five seasons.

    • buc-in-out

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      Bucs vs KC in the Super Bowl

      The Buccaneers’ defense aligned in a two-high safety shell on 87% of plays (59 of 68 plays), the HIGHEST rate by a Todd Bowles-led defense in a game over the last five seasons.

      What’s interesting about that is the Bills did the exact same thing in the AFCCG, and Mahomes and the Chiefs played small ball dinking and dunking down the field to a boring win.

      Why did they not try this against us? Especially with so many injuries on the OLine? Stubbornness from Reid? From Mahomes? Did Lavonte and Devin take away the middle of the field?

      The Chiefs got out coached HARD in the SB. It’s almost like they didn’t game plan at all.

    • Alldaway 2.0

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      Chiefs assumed the young guys on the Bucs backend could play disciplined ball with C2. So, they were looking for the home run killshot on every play to turn momentum. But they ran out of time and their defense couldn’t slow down the Bucs offense.

      Bills put up 12 points in the first half vs the Chiefs 21.

      At that point the Chiefs could play dink and dunk to a win as they had a lead and the Bills were not aggressive enough on offense. Bills failed to score a TD in Q2 and Q3.

      Build the trenches!

    • Pennywise

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      cover 7

    • JC5100

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      Bucs vs KC in the Super Bowl

      The Buccaneers’ defense aligned in a two-high safety shell on 87% of plays (59 of 68 plays), the HIGHEST rate by a Todd Bowles-led defense in a game over the last five seasons.

      What’s interesting about that is the Bills did the exact same thing in the AFCCG, and Mahomes and the Chiefs played small ball dinking and dunking down the field to a boring win.

      Why did they not try this against us? Especially with so many injuries on the OLine? Stubbornness from Reid? From Mahomes? Did Lavonte and Devin take away the middle of the field?

      The Chiefs got out coached HARD in the SB. It’s almost like they didn’t game plan at all.

      It’s a misconception that the middle of the field was taken away. Kelce had 10 catches for 133 yards.

    • Pennywise

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      After the first three quarters, Kelce had totaled only six catches and 55 yards before topping three figures with a nice fourth quarter with the game comfortably out of hand.

    • Pennywise

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      Per pff
      SMB gave up 3rd most yards last year , just short of 1,000
      Hopefully he starts off strong this year

    • m_j

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      after yesterday, it is clear onče again…. our secondary or call it our corners are our achiles! only injuries and those guys can stop another deep playoff run!
      carlton is fine, everyone else sucks big time, we urgently need to sign someone who can play tight! OK, our schedule is fine, we’re going into playoffs this way or another but if we want another SB we desperately need corners!

    • buc-in-out

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      I don’t think you can blame the secondary when Dak’s sitting pretty double tapping the ball in a clean pocket all game.

      Their OLine was spectacular last night. Man their backup guard was holding his own against Vea 1v1. They have 2 bookend tackles, 3 very good/elite guards, it’s their center that’s the weak spot on the line.

      These teams had a LONG time to prepare for each other, Brady bailed us out big time last night.

    • BChaves8

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      Said this is another thread, Dallas had a great game plan with getting the ball out early and often negating the rush. Pass rush started to get a little more pressure towards the end, did everyone see Vea absolutely man handle the center on more than one occasion? They were holding him every time in that 4th quarter it seemed.

      Getting Whitehead back should help, but unless they making the QB uncomfortable the corners will once again bet he achilles heel of this team.

    • Swash

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      We won’t play many passing offenses that are as good as the one we played last night. Dallas is explosive throwing the ball. That being said, Dean needs to tighten up.

    • ratiffshabang

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      Everyone constantly bashing SMB, but Dean didn’t do any better. The announcers said it all night long, the Cowboys had a game plan to get the X wr in single coverage and get the ball out quick. As much as I like Bowles, he got out coached. Our defensive game plan was the main problem…Cockrell is not an upgrade over SMB, and we are in big trouble if he’s out for the season. Also, not having Whitehead was a big factor last night, he’s a much bigger difference maker on this team than he gets credit for

    • Pepsi

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      Keep in mind about last night.. Dak played at an elite passer level, the Oline protected him very well, the Cowboys have a top 5 receiving group, and even while not running much we still had to respect the run threat of Zeke. We aren’t playing the Cowboys every week.

    • Pepsi

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      oh and we still won

    • RHBucsFan

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      Might want to work on defending the WR screens this week at practice. Dallas ran literally the same play at us 25 times last night, and it worked every time.

    • RHBucsFan

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      Also to somewhat defend our secondary, Dak attempted nearly 60, SIXTY, passes. That will not happen again.

    • seekpar

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      Dallas had a good game plan, put it on the shoulders of Dak and their elite WR corps. It damn near worked. Our secondary looked bad because they were getting the ball out quick and our pass rush couldn’t get home. I thought we’d get better pressure with their top OL out, but they held it together without him. Entertaining game, narrow victory, we’ll take it.

    • BadabingBucs

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      Keep in mind about last night.. Dak played at an elite passer level, the Oline protected him very well, the Cowboys have a top 5 receiving group, and even while not running much we still had to respect the run threat of Zeke. We aren’t playing the Cowboys every week.

      very good point. The Cowboys have a top 5 WR unit and we got absolutely no pressure on Dak

      We were down SMB and Whitehead the whole game and Edwards went down for a period of time.

      i wasn’t expecting this game to be as close but turnovers gave them 12 points (RJ, Fournette, Godwin) and the Godwin one being a 10 point swing.

      Our offense finally did not start off slow for the first half and we are in for a treat if they are going to be like that. Will put up around 30+ per game comparable to our playoff run.

      Defense was a let down but again Dallas is loaded with talent as well on that side of the ball

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Keep in mind about last night.. Dak played at an elite passer level, the Oline protected him very well, the Cowboys have a top 5 receiving group, and even while not running much we still had to respect the run threat of Zeke. We aren’t playing the Cowboys every week.

      Nice points across the board.

      We won’t face a receiving group that stacked for the rest of the regular season.

    • Pennywise

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      Rams have some good receivers , and a better offensive mind at HC , will be tough game .

    • Hockey Duckie

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      Our secondary looked amazing last year due to two things: rookie S AWJ and our pass rush.

      Our problem last night was the lack of a pass rush. We had 1 sack and 7 QB hits. That’s all we got out of 58 passing attempts by Dak.

      Dak had 58 passing attempts was aided by the Bucs’ offense turning it over.

      Qtr 1, drive 5. Rojo fumbles on 1st and 10 on the TB 22. With the ball back, Dak threw 2 for 3 passes for 18 yards with a TD pass and scrambled for 7 yards. Missed XP. Bucs 14, Boys 13

      Qtr 1, drive 6. Fournette misplays screen pass for an INT on 1st and 10 on TB 20. With the ball back, Dak threw 1 for 3 for 4 yards. FG made. Bucs 14, Boys 16

      Qtr 4, drive 12. Godwin fumbles the ball at Dallas-2 yard line. With the ball back, Dak threw 8 for 10 for 93 yards. FG made. Bucs 28, Boys 29

      Tampa gave up 12 points on offensive turnovers. The Godwin fumble was essentially a 10 point swing as we lost out on 7 points and the Boys scored 3 points. We should have won this game going away if we didn’t shoot ourselves in the foot often. And with a big lead, our secondary could have been better sheltered by our front 7 in attack mode.

      I think our defensive game plan wasn’t great as we kept Dean on an island for too long and the refs letting the Dallas WRs be handsy on Dean, but Dean is the only player who gets called for penalties. We know Dallas was getting rid of the ball early. Why didn’t we have a safety playing on top of Dean so Dean can play tight and release after a certain landmark while leaving S AWJ covering the other side?

    • Biggs3535

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      Everyone constantly bashing SMB

      There’s no way you aren’t related to this guy.

      SMB may have given up 300 yards if he played the whole game last night. Sweet geebus.

    • RudeGuy

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      We can talk about secondary troubles all we want but the truth is we were missing some guys back there,the pass rush was not getting there with the quick passing game, and the turnovers kept the defense on the field way too long. Should have easily put up 40+ last night against the Dallas D. Thanks to the GOAT for being the GOAT on the winning drive. Oh, let’s also not forget we now have a kicker.

    • Boid Fink

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      Secondary is an issue because the guys the Bucs are deploying are very porous as man defenders, the bad ones are very bad. The good ones are good. But they only need to target the bad ones, and SMB and Jamel Dean (our best cornerback, remember Pennywise, you fuggin genius) are constantly whiplashed and throwing their hands up in frustration after blown coverages. The play where SMB got hurt was embarrassing. Did you see how badly fooled he was? Awful.

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