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    • jbear

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      https://greenwald.substack.com/p/corporate-news-outlets-again-confirm?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxODkxOTUyOCwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzYwMDY2MjEsIl8iOiI4bFMxaiIsImlhdCI6MTYyMDEzMzAxMCwiZXhwIjoxNjIwMTM2NjEwLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTI4NjYyIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.EiTwj3N5OHj3PQMvOTAS5wxQB1bg1aqWNj0pfRr5GtY

      Of course, here I am supporting Giuliani again when I don’t support the slimeball at all. When we are fed lies it hurts the whole country. I’m not suggesting that Trump would have been a good President and certainly that any of the bashers would have been happy about anything he did. I even agree that as the opposition you are supposed to kick and scream about everything after you lose.

      My complaint is that you have gotten too good at opposing. Too good in unethical methods to try to control the lemmings. It’s become a war for the soul of the country and in war, you’ve all decided that there are no rules anymore. One of the greatest tools you could have would be to sway public opinion and as many ruthless despots have figured out before, turning a free press into a propaganda machine is a really good way to do this.

      This is a bridge too far.

    • jbear

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      One of the primary plagues of corporate journalism, which I have documented more times than I can count, just reared its ugly head again to deceive millions of people with fake news. When one large news outlet publishes a false story based on whispers from anonymous security state agents with the CIA or FBI, other news outlets quickly purport that they have “independently confirmed” the false story, in order to bolster its credibility (oh, it must be true since other outlets have also confirmed it).

      This is an obvious scam — they have not “independently confirmed” anything but rather merely acted as servants to the same lying security state agents who planted the original false story — but they do it over and over, creating the deceitful perception that a fake story has been “confirmed” by multiple outlets, thus bolstering its credibility in the public mind. It was the favored tactic for spreading debunked Russiagate frauds and is still used.

    • jbear

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      One of the most vivid examples occurred in December, 2017, when CNN falsely reported what it hyped as “a major bombshell”: that Donald Trump, Jr. had advance access to the WikiLeaks archive. Within an hour, NBC News’ Ken Dilanian and CBS News both claimed they had “independently confirmed” this fairy tale. When it turned out that it was a complete lie, all based on a false date on an email to Trump Jr., these outlets embarrassingly corrected it hours later and then simply moved on as if it never happened, never explaining how multiple outlets could possibly have all “independently confirmed” the same blatant falsehood.

      On Thursday night, The Washington Post, citing anonymous sources (of course), claimed that the FBI gave a “defensive briefing” to Rudy Giuliani in 2019, before he traveled to Ukraine, that he was being targeted by a Russian disinformation campaign to hurt Joe Biden’s candidacy, yet he ignored the FBI’s warnings and went anyway. The Post also claimed that the right-wing news outlet OANN was similarly briefed. The claim about Giuliani not only predictably ricocheted all over social media and cable news — where, as usual, it was uncritically treated as Truth — but it was shortly thereafter “independently confirmed” by both NBC News’ de facto CIA spokesman Ken Dilanian along with The New York Times.

      What was the problem with this story? It was totally false. The FBI never briefed Giuliani on any such thing. As a result, The Washington Post had to append this “correction” — meaning a retraction — to the top of its viral story:

      At first, The New York Times attempted to quietly change the story to delete the false claims without noting they were doing so. But upon being pressured, they finally faced up to what they did and posted their own retraction at the very bottom of the story that reads: “Correction: An earlier version of this article misstated whether Rudolph W. Giuliani received a formal warning from the F.B.I. about Russian disinformation. Mr. Giuliani did not receive such a so-called defensive briefing.” In their self-glorifying jargon, the Paper of Record did not spread Fake News — perish the thought — but merely “misstated” the truth. Meanwhile, NBC News, at the top of its false story, posted this explanation for why Dilanian got the story completely wrong:

      An earlier version of this article included an incorrect report that Rudolph Giuliani had received a defensive briefing from the FBI in 2019 warning him that he was being targeted by a Russian influence operation. The report was based on a source familiar with the matter, but a second source now says the briefing was only prepared for Giuliani and not delivered to him, in part over concerns it might complicate the criminal investigation of Giuliani. As a result, the premise and headline of the article below have been changed to reflect the corrected information.

    • jbear

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      This credibility carnage was so glaring that even CNN acknowledged that “the corrections are black eyes to the newsrooms which have aggressively reported on Giuliani’s contacts with Ukrainians in his attempts to dig up dirt on then-presidential candidate Joe Biden.” But there have been so many similar “black eyes” like this one, indeed far worse ones, over the last five years, and they never change anything that causes these “black eyes” because they want to do this: spreading disinformation is their function. Indeed, as I have asked almost every time these debacles happen: how is it possible that these same outlets keep “confirming” one another’s false stories?

      And the answer is obvious: they all serve as mouthpieces for the same propagandists and disinformation agents of the CIA, FBI and other security state agencies. In this capacity, they dutifully write down and vouch for what they are told by those agencies to publish without any investigative scrutiny or confirmation. The most amazing part of it all is that when they try to malign independent journalists for not doing “real reporting” — real reporting like these corporate outlets do — this is what they mean by real reporting: getting a call from the CIA or FBI and being told what to say. And that is why they so often mislead and deceive the public with blatant disinformation in unison.

    • jbear

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      IT IS HARD TO OVERSTATE HOW FAR AND WIDE THIS FALSE STORY ABOUT THE FBI’s BRIEFING TO GIULIANI SPREAD

      It is hard to overstate how far and wide this false story about the FBI’s briefing to Giuliani spread, how many millions of people it deceived. The two liberal cable outlets, MSNBC and CNN, instantly convened panels to analyze the grave implications of this revelation, accusing Giuliani of knowingly spreading Russian disinformation (by which they meant, as usual, truthful information that reflects poorly on Democratic Party leaders) even though he was told not to keep doing so by the FBI.

      As usual, the MSNBC program of Nicolle Wallace — who has magically transformed from a disinformation agent for the Bush/Cheney White House into an identical disinformation agent but now for the DNC — was one of the leaders in spreading this lie. She brought on former FBI agent and current MSNBC analyst Clint Watts to do just that (just as Wallace dramatized how Brian Sicknick died by falsely claiming that “they beat a Capitol Police Officer to death with a fire extinguisher” and repeatedly glorified Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) as a great and truthful leader on COVID):

    • jbear

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      The number of journalists with major outlets who spread this fake news and never corrected it is too high to comprehensively chronicle. But even when you tell them that the story they spread is false and that they never corrected it or deleted the false tweet, they just leave it up anyway: knowingly spreading lies.

      Basically as an experiment to measure how willing they are to knowingly lie even when caught, I sent a large number of them inquiries similar to the one I sent to NBC’s Bennett. With the exception of NBC’s Bennett — who blocked me but left up the lying claim — virtually all just left their false tweets up with no notation to the people they lied to that the story was retracted. Here, for instance, are my similar interactions with Washington Post reporter Dan Zak, frequent Russia analyst for CNN and The Daily Beast Michael Weiss, CNN’s Senior Global Affairs analyst Bianna Golodryga, and Bloomberg columnist Tim O’Brien, all of whom spread this story and have left it up uncorrected:

    • jbear

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      Every journalist, even the most honest and careful, will get things wrong sometimes, and trustworthy journalists issue prompt corrections when they do. That behavior should be trust-building. But when media outlets continue to use the same reckless and deceitful tactics — such as claiming to have “independently confirmed” one another’s false stories when they have merely served as stenographers for the same anonymous security state agents while “confirming” nothing — that strongly suggests a complete indifference to the truth and, even more so, a willingness to serve as disinformation agents for various official factions. And when a journalist spreads a false story and knows they have done so, but still refuses to correct it or remove it — as is the case for many of the above examples — then they are just tawdry liars who should be driven out of journalism. But they are not driven out and will not be because the reality is that their job is to spread disinformation as long as it is in servitude to the right factions (the CIA, FBI and DNC) and against those who are ideologically disfavored.

      Again we see the core truth of U.S. corporate journalism. The outlets that most vocally claim to condemn disinformation and fake news — to the point of agitating in favor of corporate and online censorship of their critics and competitors in the name of combating it — are the most prolific, aggressive and destructive disseminators of disinformation. Their refusal to remove the fake news here even after I explicitly notified them of it just makes this latest example a particularly vivid one.

    • jbear

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      Now I can see how someone like Karma might see all this in a slightly different light. Like that this is all just a Trumper smear and made up fake news! lol

      But seriously, Glen Greenwald is doing a great service to all Americans by making a big deal of this. Nobody else is and he’s one of the few people who could start a crusade like this with any chance of making any sort of difference.

      Even if you do take all this with a grain of salt, I think if you remove the politics and just look at it on it’s own merits, this is something that should be said. As Glen Greenwald pointed out, Jake Tapper has recently called out the hypocrisy of Republicans leaving up tweets about Kamala handing out books at the border…. Hey Karma, you too right? Yet, Greenwald found that he left tweets up that claimed that Giuliani had been briefed by the CIA which had been proved false.

      If you want people to ever trust that the media is not a propaganda machine for Democrats then lets start right here with the easy stuff. Not doing the easy stuff makes it look like you’re not even trying to be honest. In fact, I’d say it even makes it fair for people to believe that you aren’t honest on purpose. If you really want to fix that simply have a little integrity.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Just to save everyone time, should I wait for you to post my thoughts or do you need Fire to post first and then you can post my thoughts?

      Lmao

      JBear, you’re a clown 🤡

      As I’ve always said, you’re just trolling

      “Karma, you didn’t say this but Fire did and you didn’t reject it…”

      Lol. Total intellectual surrender. One Truth should be taken more seriously lol

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      The Democrat Party is F*king Trash.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Greenwald is a fucking clown.

      From Snowden to supporting Guliani…

      This article is the antithesis of what I hate about that fucking hack.

      Bitches about biased media, then runs to Tucker FUCKING Carlson to get his hits.

      He’s a fucking clown… once respectable like Rand Paul. Now he’s just another right-wing clown that turns a blind eye to literal disinformation while yelling at clouds.

      I’ll mark jbear (and Greenwald) down for loving NYP (no comment on their retraction lol) and they are the same syndicate that went after the Hunter Biden laptop.

      Let’s get real… Giuliani is guilty. How guilty, and how far we don’t know… but we can connect the dots quite easily to Russia.

      Greenwald is currently yelling about woke culture on Twitter. “Woke” beyond the Peewee’s Playhouse word of the day. Socialism just isn’t quite hitting like it used to.

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