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    • 1sparkybuc

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      IMO, the Glazers jumped the gun on this one. The last two drafts are definitely in the top five in franchise history. The defense is just a player or two away from being back in the top ten. They were among the best in the league at takeaways this year, and led the league in run defense after being the worst in 2011. Any coach that can get the ninth ranked offense with a reluctant Josh Freeman at QB, deserves more than he got here. It’s a real shame Schiano won’t get the chance to correct the offense with a healthy roster and a second year QB. So now the Glazers will bring in some reject from another program who will have no clue who is worth keeping. I’m not mad and I’m not bailing on the team, but I am sad. The two people most responsible for the really great talent on this roster are gone. The plan they had is out the window, and the new GM and HC will take a year or two to figure out what they have here. The Bucs will lose some of that talent in the process. For some, the solution is simple. All we need to do is sign a HC who is superior to the other three HCs in the division, and then draft a QB who is better than Drew Brees, Fig Newton, and Matt Ryan. Good luck with that, and the time it’s going to take for the new guys to learn about the division. Good luck with that.I hope the new guys turn things around right away. I just don't see it as realistic. When you blow things up, it takes awhile to get everyone on the same page.I detest Josh Freeman. He crapped in the punchbowl on purpose IMO. 

    • Anonymous

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      Drafts and talent isn’t the problem.In game decisions, game planning and in game adjustments along with getting the most out of that talent is what doomed Schiano.

    • Anonymous

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      Don’t see how it was rash.  It was 8 games too late IMO

    • Anonymous

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      Not sure how you watch this team week in and week out and then say this was a rash decision.

    • Anonymous

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      Rash:  What Schiano gave Buc fans.

    • Anonymous

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      Drafts and talent isn't the problem.In game decisions, game planning and in game adjustments along with getting the most out of that talent is what doomed Schiano.

      +1

    • Anonymous

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      Dude, new coaches have turned teams around in 1 year all the time.  And how did you expect a Schiano led team to win the division when we are 4th in talent, 4th in coaching, and have the 4 the best QB.  That plan wasn’t working and never was going to. 

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano was in WAY over his head from the beginning. Even Training Camp was a disaster and we were doomed form the beginning because he didn’t play our starters in the pre-season.He had no idea what he was doing and it was more and more evident each and every week.

    • Anonymous

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      They’re looking for a quick fix to their deep do do…  Must have read a fan survey…

    • Anonymous

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      Look at his fake punt again.  Schiano accomplished nothing here that we want to repeat in 2014.

    • Anonymous

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      Nicely said OP.

    • Anonymous

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      IMO, the Glazers jumped the gun on this one. The last two drafts are definitely in the top five in franchise history. The defense is just a player or two away from being back in the top ten. They were among the best in the league at takeaways this year, and led the league in run defense after being the worst in 2011.

      So, Schiano benefited from two of the top five drafts in franchise history and had his squad lead the league in takeaways and had them limp to a 4-12 record.  These are not facts that I would actually consider to be to his credit.  But even more than the record itself, it just didn't look like a well-coached team to me.  I don't feel that sticking with him for another year would have benefited the team.  Time to rip that bandage off.

    • Anonymous

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      This wasn’t really about a win total, it was about bad management of the team during games and between games.For instance: during yesterdays game, why do you call a Swinging Gate play (that normally has 5 receivers) with only two receivers? The whole point of the damn play is to overload their special teams unit.Also during yesterday's game: completely wasting almost 40 seconds at the end of the 2nd quarter.And finally: the entire season we couldn't close a barn door and made little to no adjustments after halftime. Also, Schiano flat-out refused to alter his schemes to fit our players.The NFL doesn't work that way anymore.

    • Anonymous

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      I prefer a HC that doesn’t have to go to Foxboro to observe how a real nfl team does things. You know, someone that already knows what the hell he is doing at this level.

    • Anonymous

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      Too much wrong about this franchise to be able to fix everything in less than two years. At least the new GM and HC will have something to build on, IF they can figure out what they should keep. Schiano had a hell of an impact on the defense. Now we’ll never know if he could have done the same thing with the offense. The STs was better too.

    • Anonymous

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      Don't see how it was rash.  It was 8 games too late IMO

      As part of the ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW generation, I understand why you would view things that way. Dominating franchises aren't built that way. It takes time and an experienced QB. If the Bucs don't win the SB next season, the Glazers can blow it up again.

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano had a hell of an impact on the defense.

      To be honest, I'm not even entirely convinced that that was true.  He had a healthier, more talented defense that hadn't given up on him.  I'm not sure it really makes sense to draw too much of a comparison to that last stretch under Morris.  It still wasn't really all that great of a defense.

    • Anonymous

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      Too much wrong about this franchise to be able to fix everything in less than two years. At least the new GM and HC will have something to build on, IF they can figure out what they should keep. Schiano had a hell of an impact on the defense. Now we'll never know if he could have done the same thing with the offense. The STs was better too.

      Or if they don’t get fired in two years…

    • Anonymous

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      Don't see how it was rash.  It was 8 games too late IMO

      As part of the ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW generation, I understand why you would view things that way. Dominating franchises aren't built that way. It takes time and an experienced QB. If the Bucs don't win the SB next season, the Glazers can blow it up again.

      Which dominating franchises would we have been emulating by carrying on with Schiano?

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano’s coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano's coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

      Yes, because Josh F***ing Freeman was a future Hall of Famer. That clown single-handedly ruined this season, and cost Schiano his job.

    • Anonymous

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      Don't see how it was rash.  It was 8 games too late IMO

      As part of the ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW generation, I understand why you would view things that way. Dominating franchises aren't built that way. It takes time and an experienced QB. If the Bucs don't win the SB next season, the Glazers can blow it up again.

      Question-What would have been the course that you could support?  Also, what has Schiano shown you these past two years that makes you believe he has what it takes to turn it around from this point forward? 

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano's coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

      Yes, because Josh F***ing Freeman was a future Hall of Famer. That clown single-handedly ruined this season, and cost Schiano his job.

      He hasn't even been on the team for months.  Will the excuses never end?

    • Anonymous

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      Don't see how it was rash.  It was 8 games too late IMO

      As part of the ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW generation, I understand why you would view things that way. Dominating franchises aren't built that way. It takes time and an experienced QB. If the Bucs don't win the SB next season, the Glazers can blow it up again.

      It's not really anything to do with someone being a part of Generation Me.NFL teams are turned around in 1 off season on a very regular basis, he got 2 years and went backwards while never looking close to get it right.It's dumber to keep throwing years away hoping a guy who's failing will eventually get it than dump them and gamble on another guy.

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano's coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

      Yes, because Josh F***ing Freeman was a future Hall of Famer. That clown single-handedly ruined this season, and cost Schiano his job.

      He hasn't even been on the team for months.  Will the excuses never end?

      He was part of the team long enough to cost us 6 games, many which were handly winnable.

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano's coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

      Yes, because Josh F***ing Freeman was a future Hall of Famer. That clown single-handedly ruined this season, and cost Schiano his job.

      He hasn't even been on the team for months.  Will the excuses never end?

      He was part of the team long enough to cost us 6 games, many which were handly winnable.

      He was sent packing after 3 games, 2 of which when the offense left the field the team was winning. Give it a rest.

    • Anonymous

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      Seriously, if at this point your still pointing fingers at Freeman for the reason for this teams loses you really need to evaluate your rational. Amazing!!!  Heck the dudes been gone for how long and his name still comes up.  Hey I get it he’s the be all say all to all woes of the Bucs.

    • Anonymous

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      Good thread. I don’t agree with the OP, but I give sparky and delta credit for going against the majority.If I might address Milton's point, however: the Bucs may have been ahead when Freeman left the field, but there is no doubt that he left a lot of points on the board. Are you going to absolve him from blame when he gave Lindell a long FG attempt in the rain? And the only reason the Bucs were ahead in the first place was Foster's long INT return for a TD, nothing Freeman did on offense. As for the Jets game, he lost that when he threw a pick when we were up 9 and had a chance to put the game away.Schiano did a lot of good things. But in the end, a lack of a clue in terms of playcalling, the odd rushing the huddle thing, lack of real improvement on the field doomed him. No way, even with Freeman around for three games, we should have gone 4-12. No wins vs. winning teams. That's not rash; that's the rules of the game.

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      lol @ Delta blaming the whole season on Freeman.

    • Anonymous

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      I really, really don’t think that anyone is suggesting that Freeman was a good quarterback this season.  It’s just that the team never looked like a good, well-coached team with quarterback issues.  It looked like a crappy, ill-prepared, undisciplined team with antiquated philosophies that couldn’t adjust to its opponents.  And had quarterback issues.  At least, that’s how it looked to me.  Trying to pin all the team’s woes on Freeman, regardless of how toxic he was, just seems short-sighted.

    • Anonymous

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      The penalties (third in the league) were disturbing and the trick plays (in the end) became embarrassing. Too many issues, even if Schiano did help clean up the organization from its thug days.

    • Anonymous

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      I really, really don't think that anyone is suggesting that Freeman was a good quarterback this season.  It's just that the team never looked like a good, well-coached team with quarterback issues.  It looked like a crappy, ill-prepared, undisciplined team with antiquated philosophies that couldn't adjust to its opponents.  And had quarterback issues.  At least, that's how it looked to me.  Trying to pin all the team's woes on Freeman, regardless of how toxic he was, just seems short-sighted.

      BOOM -Lighting and Thunder!!!!!!!!!  No better way to put it.

    • Anonymous

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      I really, really don't think that anyone is suggesting that Freeman was a good quarterback this season.  It's just that the team never looked like a good, well-coached team with quarterback issues.  It looked like a crappy, ill-prepared, undisciplined team with antiquated philosophies that couldn't adjust to its opponents.  And had quarterback issues.  At least, that's how it looked to me.  Trying to pin all the team's woes on Freeman, regardless of how toxic he was, just seems short-sighted.

      Post of the year +1

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano's coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

      Yes, because Josh F***ing Freeman was a future Hall of Famer. That clown single-handedly ruined this season, and cost Schiano his job.

      He hasn't even been on the team for months.  Will the excuses never end?

      He was part of the team long enough to cost us 6 games, many which were handly winnable.

      This is perhaps the saddest commentary on the Schiano regime. Not just Freeman, but how he handled people undermines every positive he brought to the table. The situation we watched unfold this year was his orchestration. He found a way to convince some of you that a guy who had the most to gain from winning, screwed the team. So much so, that even after he left, it remained his fault. He did not throw two pics at the end of the Cardinals game. (Pretty sure we win that with him under center.) He wasn't there for the bye week, nor the Philly game. And you think somehow his specter influenced the outcome of the Falcons game. You would have fit right in with the juries of the Salem Witch trials. No witches and no Josh Freeman at fault after his benching. The Glazers know that this whole season falls at the feet of Greg Schiano. Unlike some of you, they also know that with Freeman under center we win eight games or more. The way he handled the starting QB sent a message to the entire team. To wit: "I am king and I will crush any of you, just because I want to."  If you don't believe that, go look at his record at Rutgers. As players, we know we're dog meat, but when a coach overtly handles you that way it kills the drive to be excellent. Shout out to the Glazers for doing the right thing, even though it's at least 14 weeks too late.

    • Anonymous

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      Schiano's coaching ability at the NFL level or leadership was/is questionable.  With the talent we have we left alot on the table but coaching held us back.  There is a years worth of proof to support this.  A rash decision is not an accurate portrayal of what took place.

      Yes, because Josh F***ing Freeman was a future Hall of Famer. That clown single-handedly ruined this season, and cost Schiano his job.

      He hasn't even been on the team for months.  Will the excuses never end?

      He was part of the team long enough to cost us 6 games, many which were handly winnable.

      This is perhaps the saddest commentary on the Schiano regime. Not just Freeman, but how he handled people undermines every positive he brought to the table. The situation we watched unfold this year was his orchestration. He found a way to convince some of you that a guy who had the most to gain from winning, screwed the team. So much so, that even after he left, it remained his fault. He did not throw two pics at the end of the Cardinals game. (Pretty sure we win that with him under center.) He wasn't there for the bye week, nor the Philly game. And you think somehow his specter influenced the outcome of the Falcons game. You would have fit right in with the juries of the Salem Witch trials. No witches and no Josh Freeman at fault after his benching. The Glazers know that this whole season falls at the feet of Greg Schiano. Unlike some of you, they also know that with Freeman under center we win eight games or more. The way he handled the starting QB sent a message to the entire team. To wit: "I am king and I will crush any of you, just because I want to."  If you don't believe that, go look at his record at Rutgers. As players, we know we're dog meat, but when a coach overtly handles you that way it kills the drive to be excellent. Shout out to the Glazers for doing the right thing, even though it's at least 14 weeks too late.

      Well which player are you?  Hmmm....

    • Anonymous

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      LMAO at “me me me” generation nonsense. There was and is no time for a mistake li