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    • MarineBuc

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      http://espn.go.com/blog/tampa-bay-buccaneers/post/_/id/4158/revis-trade-one-year-later-winners-losersNaturally...

      Loser -- The Bucs. You can bet they're not celebrating the anniversary in Tampa. It was an ill-advised trade when they made it, and it turned into an all-time bust. The Bucs, under new leadership, decided to cut Revis after only one season. After all the hype, he was just a one-year rental. In the end, the trade cost them a mid-first-round pick and $16 million, and the result was a 4-12 record and pink slips for coach Greg Schiano and GM Mark Dominik.

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      Winner: Pats Losers: Jets/Bucs

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      Winner: Pats Losers: Jets/Bucs

      what did the Jets lose?

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    • Anonymous

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      Obviously a horrible tradeDominik went "all-in" with the resources he traded away, but played it safe with the contract he issued Revis (no guarantees, lots of wiggle room for Bucs to get out). <---in hindsight its the worst thing he couldve done. That contract was devised for protection, but ultimately insured his departure and a horribly failed trade

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren’t even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

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    • Anonymous

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      Most of us with common sense knew this was a terrible trade when it happened.

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      Winner: Pats Losers: Jets/Bucs

      what did the Jets lose?

      Jets got Sheldon Richardson and a 4th this year but seeing Revis go to the Pats can't be good for them.

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

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    • Anonymous

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      Winners: Revis, Jets, Pats. Losers: Bucs

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    • Anonymous

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      We’ve cleaned up the mess…Jets can suck it.    Lol that Revis is back in their division...    Poor ole Geno Smith.

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    • Anonymous

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      Overpaid for a really good CB.  It’s classic Bucs.  Jackson, Harper, Keyshawn, Gruden, Aquib, Revis. The Bucs are the only real losers here.  Here's hoping we have learned our lesson.

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    • Anonymous

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      Losers were the Bucs. Winners were everyone else. The only silver lining is that the 16m was available to be spent by the current regime rather than locked up by the previous one.It's funny how many people today knew it was a terrible deal a year ago.

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    • Anonymous

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      Winner: Pats Losers: Jets/Bucs

      what did the Jets lose?

      Ultimately they lost their best player to a division rival who doesn't need anymore help, but at least they got some picks, so they didn't lose as bad as we did, but #24 re-emerging in the AFC East on the Pats was not in their plans a year ago.

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    • Anonymous

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      Winner: Pats Losers: Jets/Bucs

      what did the Jets lose?

      Ultimately they lost their best player to a division rival who doesn't need anymore help, but at least they got some picks, so they didn't lose as bad as we did, but #24 re-emerging in the AFC East on the Pats was not in their plans a year ago.

      It was a loss but they were smart enough not to overpay him.

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    • Anonymous

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      Revis is the real winner.  He get to shop around again in 9 months. 

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    • Anonymous

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      The Jets are huge winners. They turned Revis into the defensive rookie of the year at a considerably more important position for over 10 million dollars less per year than Revis and get a fourth round pick in the deepest draft in years.

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    • Anonymous

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      Most of us with common sense knew this was a terrible trade when it happened.

      I dont think it was a bad trade at the time. If the Bucs had hired a guy that didn't intend on running a zone defense, Revis would probably still be here.

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      Revis is the real winner.  He get to shop around again in 9 months.

      And make how much less?  Only "win" for him was going to a winning team and playing against NYJ twice a year.  I seriously doubt he would consider the 60% paycut a good thing.

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    • Anonymous

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      His two year deal IS $32m in total incentives…    So, Technically he didn't lose any money - although realistically he will.Revis Wins.

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

      Wrong.  NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE was going to eat that salary.  Nobody.  Dom showed why he is one of the worst GMs in the history of the league.  Licht would have thrown away a million for no reason and lost a 3rd rounder.  Bucs had no leverage...none.

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    • Anonymous

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      His two year deal IS $32m in total incentives...    So, Technically he didn't lose any money - although realistically he will.Revis Wins.

      He won't see most of that money.  You do know that right?

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    • Anonymous

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      Most of us with common sense knew this was a terrible trade when it happened.

      I dont think it was a bad trade at the time. If the Bucs had hired a guy that didn't intend on running a zone defense, Revis would probably still be here.

      It has been noted that they had to play zone because Revis wasn't 100% because Dumarse Dominik traded for a broken player.  Drafts broken players and trades for them.  He sucks more and more as time goes by. 

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    • Anonymous

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      In a league where the average shelf life of a player is less than 4 years, you dont give up draft picks for any player let alone one that has a bum leg.  You can rationalize it all you want but i was dumb then and it’s dumb now.  Also, Revis knew what percentage of the money he was going to see when he was traded to Tampa – he’s not disappointed in the pay cut.  He was laughing every day here in Tampa.

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

      Wrong.  NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE was going to eat that salary.  Nobody.  Dom showed why he is one of the worst GMs in the history of the league.  Licht would have thrown away a million for no reason and lost a 3rd rounder.  Bucs had no leverage...none.

      Licht could have made the contract tradeable, he chose not to.

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

      Wrong.  NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE was going to eat that salary.  Nobody.  Dom showed why he is one of the worst GMs in the history of the league.  Licht would have thrown away a million for no reason and lost a 3rd rounder.  Bucs had no leverage...none.

      Licht could have made the contract tradeable, he chose not to.

      That's wishful thinking. First, how do you imagine a team would trade a #1 for Revis AFTER the deadline when they wouldn't even give up a 7 before it?  Second, there was NO WAY to make that contract tradeable. Eating $1.5 million wasn't the difference.

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    • Anonymous

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      Let’s face it, the only real losers here are the Tampa fans.  We suffer through some really dumb decisions personnel wise. 

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

      Wrong.  NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE was going to eat that salary.  Nobody.  Dom showed why he is one of the worst GMs in the history of the league.  Licht would have thrown away a million for no reason and lost a 3rd rounder.  Bucs had no leverage...none.

      Licht could have made the contract tradeable, he chose not to.

      That's wishful thinking. First, how do you imagine a team would trade a #1 for Revis AFTER the deadline when they wouldn't even give up a 7 before it?  Second, there was NO WAY to make that contract tradeable. Eating $1.5 million wasn't the difference.

      Word got out the Bucs were going to release him if he wasn't traded. That was a huge error on Licht's part. He should have eaten the 3rd round pick, eaten the roster bonus. Idzik paid Revis a roster bonus before trading him. Licht could have taken it a step further and given him a bonus to make his base salary $1M, then teams would have been blowing up the phone.

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

      Wrong.  NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE was going to eat that salary.  Nobody.  Dom showed why he is one of the worst GMs in the history of the league.  Licht would have thrown away a million for no reason and lost a 3rd rounder.  Bucs had no leverage...none.

      Licht could have made the contract tradeable, he chose not to.

      That's wishful thinking. First, how do you imagine a team would trade a #1 for Revis AFTER the deadline when they wouldn't even give up a 7 before it?  Second, there was NO WAY to make that contract tradeable. Eating $1.5 million wasn't the difference.

      Word got out the Bucs were going to release him if he wasn't traded. That was a huge error on Licht's part. He should have eaten the 3rd round pick, eaten the roster bonus. Idzik paid Revis a roster bonus before trading him. Licht could have taken it a step further and given him a bonus to make his base salary $1M, then teams would have been blowing up the phone.

      The Bucs had been trying to trade Revis for a month or two. And who do you think released word that he was going to be released? All signs point to Revis' agent. But even if Licht did that (why would he?) it's not like anyone had stepped up to trade for Revis in the weeks prior.Why do you think anyone would be any more willing to trade for Revis after the deadline than before it? Because of $1.5 million? The thought of getting a 1st round pick for Revis with that contract is fanciful - if you couldn't get even a 7th!!! for Revis before the deadline, how does shifting $1.5 million change that after?And let's say Licht DID convert a portion of Revis' salary to roster bonus - that then becomes dead money on the Bucs cap! So now the Bucs are taking a cap hit of $1.5 million + X (whatever the Bucs prorated, in your example that's $13.5 million...). PLUS you've dropped from the 3rd to 4th round, which means you need at LEAST a 3rd round pick just to break even and cover the loss of pick + cap hit!  Not to mention that for any team that trades for Revis, his future cap hit is going to be massive. In essence, by converting part of Revis salary in 2014 to a bonus, you're ensuring that whatever team trades for him is getting a 1 year rental as well.

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    • Anonymous

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      We overpaid for a CB and got basically nothing for it and lost some valuable picks we wish we had back. We lost because we were the only team dumb enough to offer anything to the Jets and also to pay Revis that much. Dom did a bang up job negotiating against himself.

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    • Anonymous

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      His two year deal IS $32m in total incentives...    So, Technically he didn't lose any money - although realistically he will.Revis Wins.

      He won't see most of that money.  You do know that right?

      As stated above... yes.

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    • Anonymous

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      Word got out the Bucs were going to release him if he wasn't traded. That was a huge error on Licht's part. He should have eaten the 3rd round pick, eaten the roster bonus. Idzik paid Revis a roster bonus before trading him. Licht could have taken it a step further and given him a bonus to make his base salary $1M, then teams would have been blowing up the phone.

      I wish people would learn how to delete the 20 other responses before posting a new one.Any monies converted to signing bonus are automatically accelerated to that year.  The Bucs would have been killed and that would only be for ONE year of his salary.  What team would want the rest of that god awful contract?  NO ONE.  You're making bad business sense(or lack thereof).  It was a chop job by Dom and a desperate move from a desperate man.  No one was ever going to blow up the phone.  You're dreaming.

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    • Anonymous

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      Revis refused to restructure btw.  So there’s that as well.

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    • Anonymous

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      Most of us with common sense knew this was a terrible trade when it happened.

      I dont think it was a bad trade at the time. If the Bucs had hired a guy that didn't intend on running a zone defense, Revis would probably still be here.

      Trading for him was fine... I was even fairly somewhat ok with the contract.  The compensation however was completely ridiculous.  It was known league-wide that the Jets were going to trade Revis and that the Bucs were the only team in the bidding.  What moron gives up a 1st and (conditional), 3rd for a player that no one wants!  Dominik, that's who.  That's why it was a terrible trade.  That's one of the many reasons he was fired.

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      Most of us with common sense knew this was a terrible trade when it happened.

      I dont think it was a bad trade at the time. If the Bucs had hired a guy that didn't intend on running a zone defense, Revis would probably still be here.

      Trading for him was fine... I was even fairly somewhat ok with the contract.  The compensation however was completely ridiculous.  It was known league-wide that the Jets were going to trade Revis and that the Bucs were the only team in the bidding.  What moron gives up a 1st and (conditional), 3rd for a player that no one wants!  Dominik, that's who.  That's why it was a terrible trade.  That's one of the many reasons he was fired.

      Giving up draft picks for a current player is never fine if you are thinking long-term.  From the Dallas dynasty to today, draft picks are how you build your franchise.

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    • Anonymous

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      You’ll know by mid-season who goofed…..Mark D. or Lovie.  That $16 million being spent by Lovie has to be judged as well.

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    • Anonymous

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      Trading for Revis was just bad on many levels. If they had given up nothing for the right to sign Revis for 16m/year, they would have given up too much. You just can’t sink that kind of money into a player, never mind the draft picks which turn into cheap players, that doesn’t impact the game like a QB or pass rusher. Even for a pass rusher, that would have been a big fee, but at least it’s an important position.

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    • Anonymous

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      The Bucs had been trying to trade Revis for a month or two. And who do you think released word that he was going to be released? All signs point to Revis' agent. But even if Licht did that (why would he?) it's not like anyone had stepped up to trade for Revis in the weeks prior.

      Licht and or Lovie obviously told someone they were going to release him.

      Why do you think anyone would be any more willing to trade for Revis after the deadline than before it? Because of $1.5 million? The thought of getting a 1st round pick for Revis with that contract is fanciful - if you couldn't get even a 7th!!! for Revis before the deadline, how does shifting $1.5 million change that after?

      Cleveland

      And let's say Licht DID convert a portion of Revis' salary to roster bonus - that then becomes dead money on the Bucs cap! So now the Bucs are taking a cap hit of $1.5 million + X (whatever the Bucs prorated, in your example that's $13.5 million...). PLUS you've dropped from the 3rd to 4th round, which means you need at LEAST a 3rd round pick just to break even and cover the loss of pick + cap hit!

      Who cares about dead money in 2014. We're going to stink anyway. We need draft picks. Dead money would have been a tool to acquire premium draft picks. Licht and Lovie used the money to acquire premium backups instead. End well this will not.

      Not to mention that for any team that trades for Revis, his future cap hit is going to be massive. In essence, by converting part of Revis salary in 2014 to a bonus, you're ensuring that whatever team trades for him is getting a 1 year rental as well.

      I said in January I wanted to give him a $30M bonus, chop his 2014 and 2015 base salaries to $1M and trade his ass to Dallas for everything they've got.

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      The Bucs had been trying to trade Revis for a month or two. And who do you think released word that he was going to be released? All signs point to Revis' agent. But even if Licht did that (why would he?) it's not like anyone had stepped up to trade for Revis in the weeks prior.

      Licht and or Lovie obviously told someone they were going to release him.

      Why do you think anyone would be any more willing to trade for Revis after the deadline than before it? Because of $1.5 million? The thought of getting a 1st round pick for Revis with that contract is fanciful - if you couldn't get even a 7th!!! for Revis before the deadline, how does shifting $1.5 million change that after?

      Cleveland

      And let's say Licht DID convert a portion of Revis' salary to roster bonus - that then becomes dead money on the Bucs cap! So now the Bucs are taking a cap hit of $1.5 million + X (whatever the Bucs prorated, in your example that's $13.5 million...). PLUS you've dropped from the 3rd to 4th round, which means you need at LEAST a 3rd round pick just to break even and cover the loss of pick + cap hit!

      Who cares about dead money in 2014. We're going to stink anyway. We need draft picks. Dead money would have been a tool to acquire premium draft picks. Licht and Lovie used the money to acquire premium backups instead. End well this will not.

      Not to mention that for any team that trades for Revis, his future cap hit is going to be massive. In essence, by converting part of Revis salary in 2014 to a bonus, you're ensuring that whatever team trades for him is getting a 1 year rental as well.

      I said in January I wanted to give him a $30M bonus, chop his 2014 and 2015 base salaries to $1M and trade his ass to Dallas for everything they've got.

      Yes, they likely communicated w/Revis' agent - after weeks of being unable to trade him. It would have only affected his trade value if the Bucs had been trying to trade Revis a week before the deadline. Instead we know they were trying to trade him for weeks.Why would Cleveland give up a 1st? They wouldn't even give up a 7th beforehand... Especially when the team is rebuilding and doesn't have a major need at CB (and has contracts to Haden, Cameron, Taylor, etc. to hand out next year).  There is ZERO evidence Cleveland would have given up anything CLOSE to a 1st round pick.Lovie & Licht are trying to win now, whether or not you think they will succeed. And that much money would blow up our cap... you're talking about a $30 million dead money cap hit in 2014! That's INSANE. Not only could we literally have not signed a single FA we'd have trouble signing our draft picks. And that's for a (theoretical) 1st round pick. So you're practically going to be paying a 1st round pick his rookie wage scale + $30 million. And even then (and your idea is impossible), teams would be taking a future cap hit on that signing bonus!  That $30 million, or whatever amount, would be prorated over the rest of his contract which means that in 2015 "Cleveland" would have been paying still $11 million... and something like $26 million in 2016...

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    • Anonymous

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      The Bucs had been trying to trade Revis for a month or two. And who do you think released word that he was going to be released? All signs point to Revis' agent. But even if Licht did that (why would he?) it's not like anyone had stepped up to trade for Revis in the weeks prior.

      Licht and or Lovie obviously told someone they were going to release him.

      Why do you think anyone would be any more willing to trade for Revis after the deadline than before it? Because of $1.5 million? The thought of getting a 1st round pick for Revis with that contract is fanciful - if you couldn't get even a 7th!!! for Revis before the deadline, how does shifting $1.5 million change that after?

      Cleveland

      And let's say Licht DID convert a portion of Revis' salary to roster bonus - that then becomes dead money on the Bucs cap! So now the Bucs are taking a cap hit of $1.5 million + X (whatever the Bucs prorated, in your example that's $13.5 million...). PLUS you've dropped from the 3rd to 4th round, which means you need at LEAST a 3rd round pick just to break even and cover the loss of pick + cap hit!

      Who cares about dead money in 2014. We're going to stink anyway. We need draft picks. Dead money would have been a tool to acquire premium draft picks. Licht and Lovie used the money to acquire premium backups instead. End well this will not.

      Not to mention that for any team that trades for Revis, his future cap hit is going to be massive. In essence, by converting part of Revis salary in 2014 to a bonus, you're ensuring that whatever team trades for him is getting a 1 year rental as well.

      I said in January I wanted to give him a $30M bonus, chop his 2014 and 2015 base salaries to $1M and trade his ass to Dallas for everything they've got.

      $30 mill would have accelerated to 2014.  All dead money.  I don't think "converting part of Revis salary in 2014" means what you think it means...

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    • Anonymous

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      Dummynik’s Grand Finale. The Coup de Gras for a horribly failed GM experiment. The Revis trade.

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    • Anonymous

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      Lovie & Licht are trying to win now, whether or not you think they will succeed. And that much money would blow up our cap... you're talking about a $30 million dead money cap hit in 2014! That's INSANE. Not only could we literally have not signed a single FA we'd have trouble signing our draft picks. And that's for a (theoretical) 1st round pick. So you're practically going to be paying a 1st round pick his rookie wage scale + $30 million. And even then (and your idea is impossible), teams would be taking a future cap hit on that signing bonus!  That $30 million, or whatever amount, would be prorated over the rest of his contract which means that in 2015 "Cleveland" would have been paying still $11 million... and something like $26 million in 2016...

      If it wasn't for our free agent spending spree we would be 50M+ under the cap right now. So there was plenty of room to operate even with $30M of dead money from Revis. Lovie and Licht trying to win now with this patchwork roster is going to be a disaster. Our #2 WR is Louis freaking Murphy. Our guards are Jarmon Meredith and Oneil Cousins.

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    • Anonymous

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      Lovie & Licht are trying to win now, whether or not you think they will succeed. And that much money would blow up our cap... you're talking about a $30 million dead money cap hit in 2014! That's INSANE. Not only could we literally have not signed a single FA we'd have trouble signing our draft picks. And that's for a (theoretical) 1st round pick. So you're practically going to be paying a 1st round pick his rookie wage scale + $30 million. And even then (and your idea is impossible), teams would be taking a future cap hit on that signing bonus!  That $30 million, or whatever amount, would be prorated over the rest of his contract which means that in 2015 "Cleveland" would have been paying still $11 million... and something like $26 million in 2016...

      If it wasn't for our free agent spending spree we would be 50M+ under the cap right now. So there was plenty of room to operate even with $30M of dead money from Revis. Lovie and Licht trying to win now with this patchwork roster is going to be a disaster. Our #2 WR is Louis freaking Murphy. Our guards are Jarmon Meredith and Oneil Cousins.

      Louis Murphy is the head scratcher for me. Highlights the fact that we need a WR badly.  And while this draft is loaded with them, you do need one early if you want a true difference maker.  Are we really better without Revis and Williams than we were 90 days ago?

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    • Anonymous

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      $16 million down the drain. Usually when you make that type of commitment, you are close. The Bucs weren't even in the running for anything, it made no sense.

      The trade itself made sense. Revis was a big part of the pass defense going from #32 to #17. And if we had the #17 pass defense in 2012 we would have won atleast 11 games, maybe even 13. What didn't make sense was giving up the #13 overall and 2014 #3/#4. The Jets didn't have any leverage. They had to get rid of him, nobody else wanted him. His trade value was pretty much only a #3 or #4 because thats what the Jets would have gotten as a compensatory pick. But Idzik had balls and Dominik got desperate the closer to the draft. Had Licht eaten the $1M roster bonus and held Revis past the 3 vs 4 deadline then we would have been able to get a #1 back. But he choked.

      If what you gave up to get him didn't make sense, the trade didn't make sense...

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      Lovie & Licht are trying to win now, whether or not you think they will succeed. And that much money would blow up our cap... you're talking about a $30 million dead money cap hit in 2014! That's INSANE. Not only could we literally have not signed a single FA we'd have trouble signing our draft picks. And that's for a (theoretical) 1st round pick. So you're practically going to be paying a 1st round pick his rookie wage scale + $30 million. And even then (and your idea is impossible), teams would be taking a future cap hit on that signing bonus!  That $30 million, or whatever amount, would be prorated over the rest of his contract which means that in 2015 "Cleveland" would have been paying still $11 million... and something like $26 million in 2016...

      If it wasn't for our free agent spending spree we would be 50M+ under the cap right now. So there was plenty of room to operate even with $30M of dead money from Revis. Lovie and Licht trying to win now with this patchwork roster is going to be a disaster. Our #2 WR is Louis freaking Murphy. Our guards are Jarmon Meredith and Oneil Cousins.

      Every coach is the league is in "Win Now" mode....But being realistic about it all, this roster isn't complete...They are restocking the roster  to raise the avg age of the to about the 27 year old range....hoping that most of the players are in their prime years in a year or two....Expecting them to win a lot of games this year is retarded....an 8-8 or 9-7 season would an improvement and validate the platform that they are building upon...

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      If what you gave up to get him didn't make sense, the trade didn't make sense...

      Two different things. Trading for Darrelle Revis made sense. If we had only given up a #3 or #4 for him then it would have been fine. Throwing in a #1 was the part that didn't make sense.

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      The Bucs had been trying to trade Revis for a month or two. And who do you think released word that he was going to be released? All signs point to Revis' agent. But even if Licht did that (why would he?) it's not like anyone had stepped up to trade for Revis in the weeks prior.

      Licht and or Lovie obviously told someone they were going to release him.

      lol, yeah  . . like Revis and his agent?

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      If what you gave up to get him didn't make sense, the trade didn't make sense...

      Two different things. Trading for Darrelle Revis made sense. If we had only given up a #3 or #4 for him then it would have been fine. Throwing in a #1 was the part that didn't make sense.

      Nope... that would have still sucked...Revis got jettisoned because of his $16,000,000 a year salary....not the draft picks

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      If what you gave up to get him didn't make sense, the trade didn't make sense...

      Two different things. Trading for Darrelle Revis made sense. If we had only given up a #3 or #4 for him then it would have been fine. Throwing in a #1 was the part that didn't make sense.

      Nope... that would have still sucked...Revis got jettisoned because of his $16,000,000 a year salary....not the draft picks

      Still sucked, but not nearly as bad. Releasing Revis was almost as dumb as the overall trade. We're going to be the joke of the league come December because of the release.

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      It was a bad trade . . . but only because of the terms . . . .lol, wtf?

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      Any trade that results in your team holding the bag, while another team used the draft pick they stole from you to draft an exceptional player, yet the player that you traded for is no longer on your team and it’s not even a year later – it was a bad trade.  You have officially become the NFL’s bitch and you’ve been spun around so much you dont even know it yet.

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      It was a bad trade . . . but only because of the terms . . . .lol, wtf?

      The Bucs got worked by the Jets and Revis' agent....The Bucs replaced reality based football strategy with masturbatory football fantasies about Revis leading to the promise land....A friggin' DB will not take you to the SB....

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      It was a bad trade . . . but only because of the terms . . . .lol, wtf?

      The Bucs got worked by the Jets and Revis' agent....The Bucs replaced reality based football strategy with masturbatory football fantasies about Revis leading to the promise land....A friggin' DB will not take you to the SB....

      So true.  Unless Tampa is in Philly in January and McNabb is driving..................I digress,  I totally get what you are saying. 

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      You’re wrong, if the Bucs had just signed him for 16 million, it wouldn’t have made sense, never mind giving up any draft assets.

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      You're wrong, if the Bucs had just signed him for 16 million, it wouldn't have made sense, never mind giving up any draft assets.

      Signing any DB for $16,000,000 a year is insane....draft picks or not....Thats like buying a Lamborghini when you live in a trailer....A Chevy Impala would have done just as good a job...

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      The very fact that Revis took 4-5 million less in FA HIGHLIGHTS the fact that mark dominik got bent over.  He shouldn’t even have a job on TV.  F ing schmuck.

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      Dom probably knew it was nut up or shut up time when he went and got revis.With that said, I have no trouble with it.What I do have trouble with however, is that we got nothing, nada, zip, zilch, etc. We got our third back...but that's not even close to recuperation.Seems like licht could've shopped him sooner.

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      Seems like licht could've shopped him sooner.

      when did the shopping start?

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      Licht got the best possible deal he could for an overpriced player at a luxury position. He traded Revis and a fourth for a third rounder.It was pretty clear he was going to get released as early as September!

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      Seems like licht could've shopped him sooner.

      when did the shopping start?

      I'm not exactly sure about that, but probably sometime when they came out and said, "revis could be used in this system."Instead of doing that, imo, they should have been holding an open auction using the media as a platform. Someone would have bit if it had not already been so close to his deadline.There is no way to tell if it would've worked however, but if we could've gotten an extra third this season, I think we could've called it a success.

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      I was thrilled when we traded for him, I didn’t even care about the contract. Hindsight, however, has set in. Bad trade. :( Wish we could have him at a reasonable number.

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      We got the guy we wanted, and healthy enough to actually play at a high level still too. I cannot blame dom for that.It was simply a bad situation with a financial handicap. The new staff saw this as an albatross, and got rid of it in a sloppy manner. Had it been no transition in the FO (licht's second season), we might have gotten something for him.Keep in mind, it's dom's negotiation that gives us back our third.

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      We got the guy we wanted, and healthy enough to actually play at a high level still too. I cannot blame dom for that.It was simply a bad situation with a financial handicap. The new staff saw this as an albatross, and got rid of it in a sloppy manner. Had it been no transition in the FO (licht's second season), we might have gotten something for him.Keep in mind, it's dom's negotiation that gives us back our third.

      lol, yeah except there was only ONE contract right? I mean "dom's negotiating gave us back our third" but Dom's negotiating also gave us the reason they couldn't trade him, which was . . .  . the $16 million series of one year deals contract Dom negotiated

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      We got the guy we wanted, and healthy enough to actually play at a high level still too. I cannot blame dom for that.It was simply a bad situation with a financial handicap. The new staff saw this as an albatross, and got rid of it in a sloppy manner. Had it been no transition in the FO (licht's second season), we might have gotten something for him.Keep in mind, it's dom's negotiation that gives us back our third.

      WHHATTT???!!!???Negotiation?  Getting bent over is "negotiation"?  Thanks for the laugh today.

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      Damn, you guys are so bias that you can’t understand things.Was revis a "good" player? ...yes.Did revis cost too much? ...Oh yeah.Did licht get anything for him? ..No.So WHO then structured a contract that allows a fourth to be a third if certain things don't happen??Dom got bent, but idk if people should go so far. I mean, we were just worried back then that he could even start. Revis played well, so I don't see it as a "bad" deal.A "bad deal" would've been if dom signed/traded for him, and he never started. ..kinda like nicks. Now THAT would've been a bad trade.The inescapable fact is, this FO got nothing for revis, regardless of "what dom did."

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      The Bucs had been trying to trade Revis for a month or two. And who do you think released word that he was going to be released? All signs point to Revis' agent. But even if Licht did that (why would he?) it's not like anyone had stepped up to trade for Revis in the weeks prior.

      Licht and or Lovie obviously told someone they were going to release him.

      lol, yeah  . . like Revis and his agent?

      Yep...

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      Seems like licht could've shopped him sooner.

      when did the shopping start?

      I'm not exactly sure about that, but probably sometime when they came out and said, "revis could be used in this system."Instead of doing that, imo, they should have been holding an open auction using the media as a platform. Someone would have bit if it had not already been so close to his deadline.There is no way to tell if it would've worked however, but if we could've gotten an extra third this season, I think we could've called it a success.

      ...they use phones and emails to talk to fellow GMs....not the media...

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      Damn, you guys are so bias that you can't understand things.Was revis a "good" player? ...yes.Did revis cost too much? ...Oh yeah.Did licht get anything for him? ..No.So WHO then structured a contract that allows a fourth to be a third if certain things don't happen??Dom got bent, but idk if people should go so far. I mean, we were just worried back then that he could even start. Revis played well, so I don't see it as a "bad" deal.A "bad deal" would've been if dom signed/traded for him, and he never started. ..kinda like nicks. Now THAT would've been a bad trade.The inescapable fact is, this FO got nothing for revis, regardless of "what dom did."

      Signing Revis to a $16,000,000 a year deal was  the prohibiting factor in trading for something...what is worth $16,000,000 to a team? two key players?...A high draft pick?...who would be crazy enough to give you anything when they know you can't afford him?it was a dumb signing regardless...you were never ever going to recoup anything....

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      Revis played well, so I don't see it as a "bad" deal.A "bad deal" would've been if dom signed/traded for him, and he never started. ..kinda like nicks. Now THAT would've been a bad trade.The inescapable fact is, this FO got nothing for revis, regardless of "what dom did."

      It was a bad deal because the Bucs royally sucked with Revis. You trade for veteran players so you can win now. Not go 4-12. Dominik horribly misjudged where the team was going. It was a last gasp move.

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      Damn, you guys are so bias that you can't understand things.

      says the guy trying to give Dom credit for one clause in a 50 clause contract.  lol.  The freaking irony.  Great, Dom gets credit that we were able to keep our 3rd (sort of) . . . but he only gets that credit in conjunction with a $16 million contract with a series of one year deals . . .  .lmao, funny convo

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      Damn, you guys are so bias that you can't understand things.Was revis a "good" player? ...yes.Did revis cost too much? ...Oh yeah.Did licht get anything for him? ..No.So WHO then structured a contract that allows a fourth to be a third if certain things don't happen??Dom got bent, but idk if people should go so far. I mean, we were just worried back then that he could even start. Revis played well, so I don't see it as a "bad" deal.A "bad deal" would've been if dom signed/traded for him, and he never started. ..kinda like nicks. Now THAT would've been a bad trade.The inescapable fact is, this FO got nothing for revis, regardless of "what dom did."

      This front office?  No one would've gotten anything for him.  Why?  Because he was NEVER worth $16,000,000.  It's kinda like all those people underwater on their mortgages but worse because there are no short sales in the NFL.  Basically we had to eat the difference.  Dom screwed this franchise for 5 years and is still screwing us.  One of the all-time worst hires in Buc history.

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      LOL, where was all this anger last year when the deal went down? Licht got the best deal he couldn’t for Revis. He traded Revis and a fourth for a third rounder. If someone would have offered anything more than that, he would have traded Revis. There was no better deal. It was too high of a price for a non-impact position.

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      Corner is a non-impact position ?  While I agree 16 million is too much , non-impact is BS. Corners can make a huge difference in a game.

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      It’s one of the least important positions on the field, IMO.

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      I agree it’s an impact position (especially when Revis can so alter a gameplan) but it was a TERRIBLE contract. The comparison would be like paying Peyton Manning $30 million a year.

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      You can agree all you want. I was just saying.Was it a raw deal for us, the fans? Of course. I'm just trying to say even though he wasn't worth the money, it was still a good signing. Just because he didn't match up here anymore doesn't mean it wasn't.I mean, if you're lovie, do YOU pay 16 mil per for a guy who specializes in man, but you're primarily calling zone? Lovie probably hesitated at first, then did what he felt needed to be done.Revis's replacement is respectable, and I'm glad we're going back to zone.I just feel like there is no way if we shopped him low, that some team like cleveland or the raiders wouldn't take him off lovie's hands.

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      Do you think the Bucs would have turned down a seventh round pick for him? How low do you think they needed to go?

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      It's one of the least important positions on the field, IMO.

      That's crazy. It obviously depends on the defence (and Lovie's defence does put less of a premium on the CB), but it's likely on average the 2nd most important position on defence after pass rusher.

      You can agree all you want. I was just saying.Was it a raw deal for us, the fans? Of course. I'm just trying to say even though he wasn't worth the money, it was still a good signing. Just because he didn't match up here anymore doesn't mean it wasn't.I mean, if you're lovie, do YOU pay 16 mil per for a guy who specializes in man, but you're primarily calling zone? Lovie probably hesitated at first, then did what he felt needed to be done.Revis's replacement is respectable, and I'm glad we're going back to zone.I just feel like there is no way if we shopped him low, that some team like cleveland or the raiders wouldn't take him off lovie's hands.

      The confirmation that it was a terrible deal was that his contract wasn't tradeable. The Bucs ABSOLUTELY would have taken ANYTHING for Revis, including a 7th. The fact that they couldn't get anything tells you all you need to know.

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      It's one of the least important positions on the field, IMO.

      That's crazy. It obviously depends on the defence (and Lovie's defence does put less of a premium on the CB), but it's likely on average the 2nd most important position on defence after pass rusher.

      You can agree all you want. I was just saying.Was it a raw deal for us, the fans? Of course. I'm just trying to say even though he wasn't worth the money, it was still a good signing. Just because he didn't match up here anymore doesn't mean it wasn't.I mean, if you're lovie, do YOU pay 16 mil per for a guy who specializes in man, but you're primarily calling zone? Lovie probably hesitated at first, then did what he felt needed to be done.Revis's replacement is respectable, and I'm glad we're going back to zone.I just feel like there is no way if we shopped him low, that some team like cleveland or the raiders wouldn't take him off lovie's hands.

      The confirmation that it was a terrible deal was that his contract wasn't tradeable. The Bucs ABSOLUTELY would have taken ANYTHING for Revis, including a 7th. The fact that they couldn't get anything tells you all you need to know.

      that should be obvious

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