How good is this guy? I’m sorta meh on giving him a bunch of money.
He’s an average Center. I definitely don’t think he’s worth a big contract, nor do I think they should move Marpet from Center – but Jensen @ Center and Marpet @ OG is a clear upgrade from Marpet @ Center and either Sweezy/Pamphile @ OG.
I would prefer the team leaving Marpet alone and signing Josh Sitton.
At this point I don’t give a shit if we over pay. We’ve done jack shit to this point. Its a MAJOR position of need, we can afford to overpay and we need to because we’ve done a terrible job of managing this roster along both OL and DL…
Licht just has to bite the bullet and submit to the fact that Marpet’s new deal is going to be in top guard territory…because Marpet plays guard as good if not better than he does at center. No way do I see Ali signing a top center deal which is like 2 million less per year.
So damn annoying 4th most cap in the NFL and our stupid ass GM acts like he has one of the top rosters in the NFL. Its FA, EVERYONE gets overpaid! Sitting around on his ass like he’s gonna make some frugal moves, fill the roster thats already stacked. We are picking 7th overall for a reason its because the team and your philosophy you have implemented SUCKS!!!
So if we’re gonna move ali from his rg position 2 center last year (a position he’s never played) only to sign a center the next year and move ali to lg(also a position hes never played b4) might be the most bucs thing ever.
Only been a starter in the league for 1 year. Last time we signed a year starter it blew up in our face in Anthony Collins. Very skeptical on this guy so i’ll just wait and see. Anything that keeps Pamphile off the field should help because he was awful.
If they can keep it under 6 million a year I don’t give a crap if he is the number 4 guy backing up both guards and the center or the starting center with Ali going back to his natural position. I want him in the building either way!!
This is one Licht needs to get done. I think it would reflect poorly on him if it doesn’t, theyve already spent so much effort saying they want Ali at
Center and now they’re bringing in the top FA Center for a visit. Better make it happen.
Besides that he can play. He’s a good center and Ali moving back to Guard really solidifies one of those positions. Then getting Nelson? Yes please.
Marpet is a top 10 center but could be a top 5 guard. So get the #8 C in Jensen and move Marpet back to OG and think about how that would improve our interior OL play. Then possibly add Nelson and you could easily have three players who are top 10 or better at their position on our OL. That design spells success fellas!
Jensen can play guard too. He has played both positions so its really up to the coaching staff on where they wanna place each player. Either way it keeps Pamphile off the field so I’m cool with having options.
His natural position in college was OT, but this is not Hobart College and whatever FBS league they play in.
Marpet as an elite guard, that was true before we moved him to center. He could also be an elite center, the problem is there aren’t a whole lot of elite guards available and Nelson might not make it to 7. If Jensen can play guard at an elite level then it’s all a very good problem for our team to have.
There were 29 OC’s that played at least 60% of their team’s snaps, with 5 having a positive grade of 10.0+ – that’s 17.2%
There were 52 OG’s that played at least 60% of their team’s snaps, with 10 having a positive grade of 10.0+ – that’s 19.2%
Point being, it’s even more difficult to find a top Center than a top Guard. And I agree it’s difficult to find a top OG.
I am 100% against signing this guy. He is considered good… and we should never sign anyone who is good. According to Donkey and others, it is a terrible idea to sign good FA’s, because they are always busts. Jason, stick to your strategy. If this guy really is the best FA center, then we need to look elsewhere. Perhaps we can find a back-up center somewhere, overpay him slightly, and expect him to become good. Or, perhaps we can sign more WR’s or TE’s. Ebron was just released! We haven’t spent enough money in those positions. There are still some good WR’s out there. It is absolutely the wrong move to sign the best FA at any position. It never works out. Just ask the Jaguars.
Percentages don’t work, it’s comparing apples to oranges. You have 29 Cs to choose from and 52 OGs, 5 Cs with a score of 10+ and 10 OGs. The percentages are almost identical, 17 versus 19, in terms of numbers its relative considering the sample numbers and the disparity between samples (in this case almost double to evaluate).
Anyway. Either way we approach it, upgrading our line is going to be hard. Moving Marpet if necessary while still adding top 10 players around him should be considered an upgrade.
The colts have a good center already and will be offering Jensen as a guard. My concern is that Licht and friends will offer Jensen as a center and as a result put less money on the table. I don’t like overspending for free agents but someone this good and young cannot be let out the door. Overpay if you must but it is critical that this run game gets on track and we keep our franchise healthy in the pocket.
NFL Profiles has Daniels as the #1 center (above Price)
At the combine he was 6’3 and weighed 306. The thing is he won’t be 21 till Sept or so. He is still growing.
What he has is real quickness which all teams value in a center.
The NFL profiles report:
STRENGTHS Elite movement talent for the position. Smooth, fluid and flexible. Good snap to step quickness. Initial contact is balanced and well-timed. Outpaces defenders laterally and reaches three-techniques all day long. Slides feet into position and swivels hips to secure the block. Easy second-level climber with agility for high connection rate. Takes smart angles. Can beat inside linebackers to the spot and get them sealed. Has reactive athleticism to open hips and redirect against slants on his backside. Snatches and mirrors for block centering and sustaining on work-up blocks. Finishes. Technically sound and works well with his guards. Pass sets with wide base and plus balance. Rarely caught lunging or over-extending against athletic rushers. Has foot quickness to stay mirrored and handle counters. Rolls hips under him for quality anchor.
WEAKNESSES Played lighter than he needs to be as a pro. Has to continue to add functional mass to his frame. Power at the point of attack is average. Bull-rushers make him work overtime to maintain his anchor. Will struggle to recover if nose guards get hands on him first. Target points can be too high in pass sets causing hands to slide up and off opponent. Gets in a hurry to climb on top of second level linebacker and will leave initial block unsecured for guard next to him. Scheme didn’t allow for much drive blocking.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
SOURCES TELL US “The Iowa guys are always going to be quick and proficient, but you have to see them tested against power because they are usually going to be a little smaller, too. This guy has decent size and I think he’s got pretty good functional power. He would come in and challenge for best center in our division right away.” — NFC team college scouting director
NFL COMPARISON Chris Chester
BOTTOM LINE Daniels is a fluid mover with tremendous initial quickness to win positioning on most every zone block he’s asked to make — both on the first and second levels. His height, weight and arm length numbers at the Combine will be critical in either solidifying his draft slot or potentially dropping him a round. Some teams might see him as a zone-only center, but he may be strong enough to fit in with other blocking schemes. He needs to get stronger, but he’s a plus run blocker and pass protector with a chance to become a Pro Bowl starter.
It really doesn’t make sense as to why they didn’t just dump Sweezy. Save that 5 million and put 6 or 7 more with it to get a deal done before he left for Indy.
Leave Marpet at Center, Jenson at RG, and draft Nelson at 7 as it looks next to impossible that Chubb will fall to us.
That would be a top 10 OL with your only weak spot at LT.
Jameis would have much more time in the pocket and when D. Smith wiffs on a look out block- he could just step up and the DE would run by since the middle of the pocket would be kept clean. They’d open the run game up vastly as well.
We better cross all 20 toes and fingers he comes back. Adding those two players (Jenson and Nelson) will put more points on the board than DJax and Howard did last year.
You guys act like we lost him because he left. Maybe the guy wants to see where he and his family will be living the next4-5 years…. I don’t understand how more players don’t go on multiple trips each year.
Anybody who thinks Jensen wants to or should play guard is a idiot and Marpet is much better in space all he can do at center is hold the point of attack at guard Marpet is nasty he man handles people consistently he needs to be moved to guard that’s why Jensen came in the bucs should have never let him leave it sucks if he stays in Indy or even that it’s a chance if we don’t protect Winston this team will be shitty again and we will probably end up with a luck type situation bring on the stupid ass replies
The Bucs are hosting pass rusher Alex Okafor for a visit today. Offensive linemen Ryan Jensen’s visit is scheduled to wrap up this afternoon, with him slated to fly to Indianapolis around 2 p.m. I’m told that Indy is preparing to make a hard push on that one.
My point was that Licht seems to be penny pinching this offseason. He could have cut Sweezy now, used that 5 mil to throw at Jenson and stacked another 6 or 7 on top of if. Technically, at that point- you only “spent” 7 million more this year than you did BEFORE you cut Sweezy.
There’s plenty of depth guys out there which is what Sweezy is. You could then (after signing Jenson and releasing Sweezy) signed a couple lower level guys to battle for your #2.
All that said I understand what you’re saying and you’re not wrong either.
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Mar 14, 18 at 8:24 pm #1068317 The colts have a good center already and will be offering Jensen as a guard. My concern is that Licht and friends will offer Jensen as a center and as a result put less money on the table. I don’t like overspending for free agents but someone this good and young cannot be let out the door. Overpay if you must but it is critical that this run game gets on track and we keep our franchise healthy in the pocket.
If we are talking Ryan Kelly, he’s not that good.
PFF grades Kelly at 39. 9.
In comparison, Jensen is 74.9 and Marpet comes in at 79.0
Mar 15, 18 at 11:48 am #1068551
Gotta think we’d give him the option to be a C or G for us and that he’ll base his final decision on how he feel he fits with the team/office and who is offering the most.
It maybe easier to just pay him like a top ten guard and let him play center
Lot of cash but we knew that would happen with the Colts bidding aggressively. Fixes two positions with Marpet going back to Guard. Jensen only 26 so another ascending player heading into his prime…love it
Outstanding signing. If the Bucs sign Gaines, that makes FA a resounding success.
Very interested in the draft.
Is it Nelson to make a Cowboys-style line?
Or DE to upgrade the DL beyond what was available in a weak free agency class?
Or if Barkley falls do they go for an Ezekiel-Elliot/Fournette immediate impact of a stud RB?
New Giants GM Gettlemen is known for drafting line players in the first round. But a young QB may also be in play so that is why the NYG are a big wildcard. Gettlemen may also choose to go CB or RB like Barkley if he falls.
So yeah the NYG are a big wildcard with what they do on draft day.
2. NYG- Does the GM want to cash in and get his QB now? GM’s have a window and if they take a Barkley or a Nelson and win 7-8 games can they get one next year when they’ll have to? I say QB just because you may not be up there at #2 again when you need to be. Eli cannot play forever and he’s borderline garbage as is.
3. Colts- Licht who I’ve been hard on really hit Indy in the bits here with Jensen. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Indy bale and trade back. Especially with 2 QB’s going 1-2. If they stay they go Nelson IMO, if they cannot trade back. It’s a must to protect Luck.
4. Browns- Barkley
5. Broncos- QB
6. NYJ- QB
7. Bucs- Chubb
No Chubb, Nelson or Barkley Trade back if possible.
#1 Jason Kelce 91.3
#2 Travis Frederick 90.8
High Quality (+85.0)
#3 Alex Mack 88.9
Above Average (+80.0)
#4 Brandon Linder 84.7
#5 David Andrews 81.8
#6 Rodney Hudson 81.6
Average (+ 70.0)
#7 Ali Marpet 79.0
#8 Matt Paradis 75.2
#9 Ryan Jensen 74.9
#10 John Sullivan 74.6
Mar 17, 18 at 2:55 am #1069327
Jensen is one of the top ten Centers in the league.
He’s probably in the 8-12 range, yes. But there is a lot of poor Center play in the NFL. He’s an average player, which is an upgrade from the below-average/poor play the team has received from Pamphile/Sweezy.