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      The case for drafting a kicker in the second round 26650766092_b2b6f52526_o.jpgroberto by anti java, on FlickrFlorida State Seminoles kicker Roberto Aguayo made 69 of 78 field goals and all 198 extra points from 2013 to 2015. He was the most accurate kicker in NCAA history, nailing a 96 percent conversion rate (267 of 276) on all kicks attempted.Melina VastolaBy Peter Schrager Fox Sports      @PSchragsMay 1, 2016 at 1:10a ETWhen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded up to the 59th pick of the draft and took ... a kicker, the football Twitter wise guys had a good laugh. The analysts on TV had a chuckle, too. It's all good. We're prisoners of the moment, and in that moment, it's easy to just write off something we see so infrequently.Florida State's Roberto Aguayo became just the ninth kicker to be selected in the first two rounds since 1967.It's not done often, so it must be wrong. Right? Well, about that. Drafting Aguayo was in the Buccaneers' plans all along. Tampa Bay lost a pair of early season games —?? one in Houston, one against Carolina at home —?? in which missed field goals did them in. They went through two kickers in 2015 and had two others in 2014. They won a combined eight games those two years.When the Buccaneers selected Noah Spence 39th overall, they satisfied a need at pass rusher. They then kept an eye on the teams picking after them. The wait until their next selection, the 74th pick, seemed so long. As pick by pick went in the second round, the individuals in the Buccaneers war room sweated over the chance of missing out on Aguayo. But in trading back in the first round from ninth to 11th to get Vernon Hargreaves III — the player they hoped to take anyway —?? the Bucs scooped up an extra fourth-rounder from Chicago.Finally, it became too much. Buccaneers GM Jason Licht made a few calls to see what deals could be done, and found a partner in Kansas City. He gave up the team's third-round pick (74th overall) and the pick from the Hargreaves trade (104th overall). And he did it all to get his man. But, a kicker?Well, this isn't any kicker. This was a kicker that the Bucs' brass views as the greatest kicker in college football history. Aguayo made 69 of 78 field goals and all 198 extra points from 2013 to 2015. He was the most accurate kicker in NCAA history, nailing a 96 percent conversion rate (267 of 276) on all kicks attempted."We had him targeted all along," Bucs coach Dirk Koetter said afterward. "If you really think about what happened, we really just picked the kicker in the third round. The extra pick we got in the fourth, we gave it back up, used that same third-round pick we were going to use in the first place to take the kicker. That's exactly what happened."On paper, yes. But that'll all get lost in the rubble. When it's analyzed for years to come, the headline will not be what they gave up, but that they took a kicker in the second round. And they'll have to live with that every time Aguayo misses a chippy, boots one wide left or boggles a kickoff in the rain. I'm fine with it. They had a major need and they got a guy they viewed as the top player on their board. And what's the 59th pick, anyway? If you go down the list of some recent 59th overall picks —?? Aaron Dobson (2013), Greg Little (2011), Montario Hardesty (2010), Sherrod Martin (2009) —?? it's not exactly a Mount Rushmore or who's who of National Football League History. But those guys weren't kickers. They didn't wear single digit jerseys. They didn't kick extra points. If there's any player who knows the pressure (or notoriety) of being a special teams player drafted on Day 2, it's Tampa Bay's current punter Bryan Anger. Selected 70th overall by the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2012, Anger's had a fine four-year NFL career. You wouldn't know it, though, because he's known for something else.Yes, he was the punter selected four picks ahead of Russell Wilson. He could punt 30 years in the league and that's what he'll be known for. The Buccaneers now have a punter and a kicker who were both taken on Day 2 of the NFL Draft. No more excuses, there. As for Aguayo? Tampa Bay didn't need a quarterback in this draft. The Bucs have one, and no matter how good the next QB taken is (Jets QB Christian Hackenberg), there are few scenarios in which the Bucs would be blamed for using the 59th pick on a kicker instead of a signal caller. But picks 60 (Patriots cornerback Cyrus Jones), 61 (Saints safety Von Bell), and 62 (Panthers cornerback James Bradberry) were all defensive backs, another area of need for Tampa Bay. If one of them ends up being Ed Reed or Darrelle Revis, the Bucs will hear about it ... forever.That's something both the player and GM Jason Licht will have to live with. It's not enough for Aguayo to be the earliest kicker picked in a draft since the Jets took Mike Nugent 47th overall in 2005. He needs to be great and he needs to be great from the start. "I didn't want to risk it. I wanted to take him," Licht said on Friday. "I have a lot of confidence in him. I like the way that he's wired. I like the body of work that he has put out there, obviously. A great kicker can be the difference in several games."The Buccaneers needed a kicker. They got one that they view as the best one ever to ever play college football. We praise "outside the box" thinking all the time in sports. Moneyball, analytics, pitchers batting eighth ... you name it. Well, the Bucs —?? a team that hasn't been to the playoffs since 2008 and who's special teams have been among the very worst in the league the past few seasons —?? took a kicker in the second round. If that warrants a snarky tweet or two, that's fine. That's the cost of doing business. Games aren't won or lost on Twitter. And the Bucs are hoping they're the ones who have the last laugh.

    • billym

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      Dumb pick could of waited another couple of rounds and it wouldnt of benn so bad.

    • Anonymous

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      “We had him targeted all along,” Bucs coach Dirk Koetter said afterward. “If you really think about what happened, we really just picked the kicker in the third round. The extra pick we got in the fourth, we gave it back up, used that same third-round pick we were going to use in the first place to take the kicker. That’s exactly what happened.”That's the glass is half full view..  Good read.

    • Anonymous

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      This will make a few heads explode-

      "We had him targeted all along," Bucs coach Dirk Koetter said afterward. "If you really think about what happened, we really just picked the kicker in the third round. The extra pick we got in the fourth, we gave it back up, used that same third-round pick we were going to use in the first place to take the kicker. That's exactly what happened."On paper, yes. But that'll all get lost in the rubble. When it's analyzed for years to come, the headline will not be what they gave up, but that they took a kicker in the second round. And they'll have to live with that every time Aguayo misses a chippy, boots one wide left or boggles a kickoff in the rain.

    • Anonymous

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      Dumb pick could of waited another couple of rounds and it wouldnt of benn so bad.

      1. Do you absolutely know without a doubt that he would have been available in 2 rounds? He was projected to go in the 3rd. Aguayo was even told by scouts that he could go as early as late 2. They weren't wrong. Aguayo would not have lasted until our third. Clearly Licht was given a reason to feel he would not be there. So he took a risk. 2. Was that an Arrelious Benn pun?

    • Anonymous

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      Dumb pick could of waited another couple of rounds and it wouldnt of benn so bad.

      he was not gonna be there in another couple of rounds

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

    • Anonymous

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      The glaring problem here…  They had a kicker targeted in the third round.  Was Lovie the cause of the conservative play calling?

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      he hath spoken!!

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      He was projected to go in the 3rd round. We reached a little. End of story. Keep ranting and raving and saying he was a 5th to 7th round value all you want to make yourself feel good about nerd raging. It's just flat out not true. Keep lying to yourself to justify your anger.

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      He was projected to go in the 3rd round. We reached a little. End of story. Keep ranting and raving and saying he was a 5th to 7th round value all you want to make yourself feel good about nerd raging. It's just flat out not true. Keep lying to yourself to justify your anger.

      Projected or not.. kickers have low values as they do not effect 99% of the plays. Complete teams that are ready for playoffs and superbowls value kickers a little higher than they should. This team isn't close to being playoff ready and we may win 1 more game this season to finish 7-9 instead of 6-10, but he won't have an impact this season and I bet he misses more kicks this season than he did in his career at FSU.

    • Anonymous

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      The glaring problem here...  They had a kicker targeted in the third round.  Was Lovie the cause of the conservative play calling?

      That was not very creative. You're slipping

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      Way to lay down the law, Mr. Glazer.

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      I'll settle for him not costing us games like that P.O.S. Brindza did last season.

    • Anonymous

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      Listening to Kirwan claim they had top five draft haul.. Courage and fortitude to draft the kicker in a league with so so many games decided by three points or less.  Loved it. As do I

    • Anonymous

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      Listening to Kirwan claim they had top five draft haul.. Courage and fortitude to draft the kicker in a league with so so many games decided by three points or less.  Loved it. As do I

      Bucs lost one game and won one game in that three point margin.  Barth didn't miss a kick in either game.

    • Anonymous

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      Listening to Kirwan claim they had top five draft haul.. Courage and fortitude to draft the kicker in a league with so so many games decided by three points or less.  Loved it. As do I

      Bucs lost one game and won one game in that three point margin.  Barth didn't miss a kick in either game.

      League wide.  Again.  I would trust actual football people's opinions over yours every day.

    • Anonymous

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      Listening to Kirwan claim they had top five draft haul.. Courage and fortitude to draft the kicker in a league with so so many games decided by three points or less.  Loved it. As do I

      Bucs lost one game and won one game in that three point margin.  Barth didn't miss a kick in either game.

      League wide.  Again.  I would trust actual football people's opinions over yours every day.

      The Bucs didn't make the pick for the entire league.  They made it for a doormat team.

    • Anonymous

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      Listening to Kirwan claim they had top five draft haul.. Courage and fortitude to draft the kicker in a league with so so many games decided by three points or less.  Loved it. As do I

      Bucs lost one game and won one game in that three point margin.  Barth didn't miss a kick in either game.

      League wide.  Again.  I would trust actual football people's opinions over yours every day.

      The Bucs didn't make the pick for the entire league.  They made it for a doormat team.

      Yep, teams that live in the cellar continue to live in the cellar making picks like we did with the kicker.

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      He was projected to go in the 3rd round. We reached a little. End of story. Keep ranting and raving and saying he was a 5th to 7th round value all you want to make yourself feel good about nerd raging. It's just flat out not true. Keep lying to yourself to justify your anger.

      Projected or not.. kickers have low values as they do not effect 99% of the plays. Complete teams that are ready for playoffs and superbowls value kickers a little higher than they should. This team isn't close to being playoff ready and we may win 1 more game this season to finish 7-9 instead of 6-10, but he won't have an impact this season and I bet he misses more kicks this season than he did in his career at FSU.

      Solid analysis from the guy who claims Evans is a bust and that Fowler should've been the pick over Winston. Relax. At least let the season play out. Smh.

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      He was projected to go in the 3rd round. We reached a little. End of story. Keep ranting and raving and saying he was a 5th to 7th round value all you want to make yourself feel good about nerd raging. It's just flat out not true. Keep lying to yourself to justify your anger.

      Projected or not.. kickers have low values as they do not effect 99% of the plays. Complete teams that are ready for playoffs and superbowls value kickers a little higher than they should. This team isn't close to being playoff ready and we may win 1 more game this season to finish 7-9 instead of 6-10, but he won't have an impact this season and I bet he misses more kicks this season than he did in his career at FSU.

      Bingo.  We're a 6 win team and a great kicker might win us a meaningless game here or there, but a combo of Jon Bullard and Charles Tapper might give us the d-line depth to have a fearsome pass rush and get us towards a 10 win playoff team. 

    • Anonymous

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      I'll settle for him not costing us games like that P.O.S. Brindza did last season.

      Mentioned this in another thread. Our kickers cost us multiple games last year because they were god awful. We were one of only 3 teams who didn't kick 80% of their Field Goals (72.5%). If we even just got an average kicker, it would be a HUGE upgrade from last year. We really didn't need to trade up, lose a pick and spend one of our top 3 picks on a really good Kicker. The problem most people have is that this could have been fixed with either a 7th round pick or a UDFA. Instead, we tried fixing it by using a 2nd rounder when there were other talented players on the board that could have filled bigger and more important needs. It's not like we're loaded with talent and could afford to take a Kicker this high (even though it'd be stupid for any team to take a kicker this high). We need these high picks to improve the roster and add depth.

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      Dumb pick could of waited another couple of rounds and it wouldnt of benn so bad.

      It is this type of quality opinion that I wish this board had more of...

    • bucsnbr1

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      Licht can’t afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

    • bucsnbr1

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      And if this kicker doesn’t work out so be it. But Licht should not be getting any heat for getting us the best at his disposal.

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      Licht can't afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

      ...and the two straight years of 400+ points given up by the defense?

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      I'll settle for him not costing us games like that P.O.S. Brindza did last season.

      Mentioned this in another thread. Our kickers cost us multiple games last year because they were god awful. We were one of only 3 teams who didn't kick 80% of their Field Goals (72.5%). If we even just got an average kicker, it would be a HUGE upgrade from last year. We really didn't need to trade up, lose a pick and spend one of our top 3 picks on a really good Kicker. The problem most people have is that this could have been fixed with either a 7th round pick or a UDFA. Instead, we tried fixing it by using a 2nd rounder when there were other talented players on the board that could have filled bigger and more important needs. It's not like we're loaded with talent and could afford to take a Kicker this high (even though it'd be stupid for any team to take a kicker this high). We need these high picks to improve the roster and add depth.

      I keep hearing this "we could have fixed it with a UDFA" garbage.  Ok, give us the names of 3 7th round picks or UDFAs that were available this year and we will see how well they do.  If it's so easy to do, you should be able to give us the names.  Right?

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      The fact that most of them are (and always have been) low/undrafted isn’t evidence enough that it is possible?  The rampant overstatement of how any of these guys bear out over time has become staggering. Like we can't possibly go to the playoffs without a top 5 FG% kicker.

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      Licht can't afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

      ...and the two straight years of 400+ points given up by the defense?

      which 400 points are you talking about? I was talking about this year. Why should this team care what happened last year? Everything on this defense will be changed. This defense will not look anything like the defenses you are referancing. Not to mention they drafted exclusively defense, save the kicker, with all there top picks. Aaaaaaand they brought in more then two proven playmakers on defense via free agency.... I say we let this defense take the field for a minute fore we call them 400 point.

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      Licht can't afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

      ...and the two straight years of 400+ points given up by the defense?

      which 400 points are you talking about? I was talking about this year. Why should this team care what happened last year? Everything on this defense will be changed. This defense will not look anything like the defenses you are referancing. Not to mention they drafted exclusively defense, save the kicker, with all there top picks. Aaaaaaand they brought in more then two proven playmakers on defense via free agency.... I say we let this defense take the field for a minute fore we call them 400 point.

      ...Aaaaaaand you referanced a dozen missed field goals...  Did you look at the distances of those missed kicks?  As for the added free agents on defense... when have they worked out?

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      Licht can't afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

      ...and the two straight years of 400+ points given up by the defense?

      which 400 points are you talking about? I was talking about this year. Why should this team care what happened last year? Everything on this defense will be changed. This defense will not look anything like the defenses you are referancing. Not to mention they drafted exclusively defense, save the kicker, with all there top picks. Aaaaaaand they brought in more then two proven playmakers on defense via free agency.... I say we let this defense take the field for a minute fore we call them 400 point.

      ...Aaaaaaand you referanced a dozen missed field goals...  Did you look at the distances of those missed kicks?  As for the added free agents on defense... when have they worked out?

      Bro, some of the missed FG that many posters are talking about were very easy kicks(40 yards/closer). our kickers cost us points last year……but they also cost us at valuable times.I'm sorry dude but we have a QB that will win games for us if we give him that chance.....you can't let a freaking kicker ruin every chance you have of winning by missing a easy kick!!! Are you kidding me, Jamies is given no chance because our freaking kicker missed a XP? KICKING PROBLEM SOLVED.......now let's move onto the 2016 Defense(not 2014)

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      If games were won on Twitter… we’ve got twitter’s version of Tom Brady. And her name is Miko Grimes.

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      Licht can't afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

      ...and the two straight years of 400+ points given up by the defense?

      which 400 points are you talking about? I was talking about this year. Why should this team care what happened last year? Everything on this defense will be changed. This defense will not look anything like the defenses you are referancing. Not to mention they drafted exclusively defense, save the kicker, with all there top picks. Aaaaaaand they brought in more then two proven playmakers on defense via free agency.... I say we let this defense take the field for a minute fore we call them 400 point.

      ...Aaaaaaand you referanced a dozen missed field goals...  Did you look at the distances of those missed kicks?  As for the added free agents on defense... when have they worked out?

      Bro, some of the missed FG that many posters are talking about were very easy kicks(40 yards/closer). our kickers cost us points last year......but they also cost us at valuable times.I'm sorry dude but we have a QB that will win games for us if we give him that chance.....you can't let a freaking kicker ruin every chance you have of winning by missing a easy kick!!! Are you kidding me, Jamies is given no chance because out freaking kicker missed a XP? KICKING PROBLEM SOLVED.......now let's move onto the 2016 Defense(not 2014)

      Drafting Aguayo hasn't solved a single problem in 2016.

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      Licht can't afford a two year search for a kicker, or God forbid worse!!Licht was not about to sit back at let this team crumble with another dozen missed field goals....... Or missing one out of every ten extra points!!! Haven't we been embarrassed enough already? We desperately needed a kicker and Licht used his resources to go out and get this city the best possible Kicker we could have hoped for.For now FREAKING on......When we need a kick we get it!!! No more leaving points on the field like a bunch of weak asses!

      ...and the two straight years of 400+ points given up by the defense?

      which 400 points are you talking about? I was talking about this year. Why should this team care what happened last year? Everything on this defense will be changed. This defense will not look anything like the defenses you are referancing. Not to mention they drafted exclusively defense, save the kicker, with all there top picks. Aaaaaaand they brought in more then two proven playmakers on defense via free agency.... I say we let this defense take the field for a minute fore we call them 400 point.

      ...Aaaaaaand you referanced a dozen missed field goals...  Did you look at the distances of those missed kicks?  As for the added free agents on defense... when have they worked out?

      Bro, some of the missed FG that many posters are talking about were very easy kicks(40 yards/closer). our kickers cost us points last year......but they also cost us at valuable times.I'm sorry dude but we have a QB that will win games for us if we give him that chance.....you can't let a freaking kicker ruin every chance you have of winning by missing a easy kick!!! Are you kidding me, Jamies is given no chance because out freaking kicker missed a XP? KICKING PROBLEM SOLVED.......now let's move onto the 2016 Defense(not 2014)

      Drafting Aguayo hasn't solved a single problem in 2016.

      I thought we solved the kicking problem we’ve had. You may be hoping for defensive help but we have brought in many new coaches and almost a teams worth of new players..

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      Who cares if he would have been there in the 5th round? He had 5th to 7th round value. he better be 100% from 30-55 yards for the next 4 years for this pick to make any kind of sense.

      I'll settle for him not costing us games like that P.O.S. Brindza did last season.

      Mentioned this in another thread. Our kickers cost us multiple games last year because they were god awful. We were one of only 3 teams who didn't kick 80% of their Field Goals (72.5%). If we even just got an average kicker, it would be a HUGE upgrade from last year. We really didn't need to trade up, lose a pick and spend one of our top 3 picks on a really good Kicker. The problem most people have is that this could have been fixed with either a 7th round pick or a UDFA. Instead, we tried fixing it by using a 2nd rounder when there were other talented players on the board that could have filled bigger and more important needs. It's not like we're loaded with talent and could afford to take a Kicker this high (even though it'd be stupid for any team to take a kicker this high). We need these high picks to improve the roster and add depth.

      I keep hearing this "we could have fixed it with a UDFA" garbage.  Ok, give us the names of 3 7th round picks or UDFAs that were available this year and we will see how well they do.  If it's so easy to do, you should be able to give us the names.  Right?

      About an hour ago Matt MillerVerified account?@nfldraftscoutI liked Ross Martin as much as Roberto Aguayo. One was a UDFA, the other a 2nd rounder.

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      If games were won on Twitter... we've got twitter's version of Tom Brady. And her name is Miko Grimes.

      Ha good one. She does like to "throw shade"

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      About an hour ago Matt MillerVerified account?@nfldraftscoutI liked Ross Martin as much as Roberto Aguayo. One was a UDFA, the other a 2nd rounder.

      i guess we will need to keep track this year. 

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      Great read.I hope to see LOTS of kickoffs, mortar style - will actually make that play more interesting IMO.

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