I watched Big Marv at FSU and there’s nothing about his play that stands out. He’s been blocked out of the play almost all the time. He got owned in Senior Bowl practices. If we’re going to take a flyer on him, it should be on day three.
Edge rusher would be high on the list. I think that far down if you get a guy who can be a difference maker in the passing game at RB you can start to consider RB. The other thing we want are highly rated players at spots we don’t need to fall so teams who have picks in R2 are eager to move up.
Fournette made 2.5mil. hes 26 years old and had resurgence in the post season. on the open market he probably pulls over 5mil which I dont think we match. That leaves us with zero reliable receivers out of the back field for Brady. You can see why a receiver at RB is so valuable to us. “Take away Evans and Godwin, okay but deal with this.”
This puts Etienne and Harris on the table for pick 32 imo. If you think Fournette was good, you’ll be more than happy to see what one of those guys can do behind our Oline with the way our Oline has been playing.
Agree with most everything said thus far except RB. FA would be a good place to get a RB. There’s enough growing pains with Vaughn …. go with experienced vet or two if 4nett leaves. This FA class has many options, not to mention the Brady effect.
Yes its a good year for a FA RB to replace Fournette, who will probably take the payday. I don’t blame him. He has one shot at a nice payday. He has to take it.
We will need an edge rusher, but I’m more inclined to use the first rounder on a LT. There are multiple OTs projected for Round 1 and there’s a good chance one falls to the last pick. I think you keep Smith at this point, but we have no depth there. You can get an edge rusher on Day 2 easier than you can get a quality starting tackle on Day 2.
But there will be more free agents who will want a shot at glory, and I think if there are any glaring holes there will be a free agent looking to fill it. We’ll see, but I think we’ll be in a position to draft the best player available when we get around to draft day.
I just do not see Suh having a significant market at this point. 34 years old and still a guy with a reputation of maybe not being a fit for every locker room. Maybe I will be wrong, but I think he will be there for a reasonable price if the Bucs want him back, and I would think we do since he is a really solid fit in our defense and what we ask of him.
I am not going to even bother to predict FA because it is going to be chaotic. But with the draft I feel the Bucs keep going to the trenches.
This is because the Bucs have a lot of young skill players under contract still along with Howard, Evans and Brate on the offensive side of the ball. And defensive side of the ball the Bucs still have a lot of young DBs.
Also, I feel the Bucs will want to keep as many veteran skill players as possible from hitting free agency or look for veterans to fill gaps (eg pass catching RB).
I pretty much always want us to trade down, and this year more than most. I really think there will be day 1 starting quality interior o and d line prospects through the 3rd round. So if we don’t move, I think theoretical positional/draft value (with my perception edge is the biggest “need”) would be 1st) Edge, 2nd) DT, 3rd) G/C. Obviously who falls where would be more important. If one of the oline with good tackle potential falls to 32, I would go there over most of the edges who might be there. I’m not sure who would have to still be there at 32 to prefer the pick over a trade back 15ish spots adding an earlyish 3rd.
The 5th year option is completely overrated. Go back and look how often that’s really a value. Do you want to pay OJ 6.5 mil next season? Would the team have been better off negotiating after his year 4? Think we could have swung a better value for that 5th year? Unfortunately, the 5th year is paid at league starter $. The only value is if you hit on a superstar. More often than not, it sets a higher expected salary than the open market would likely fetch.
You’d have to be specific on what trade has ever happened in the NFL where there wasn’t sufficient “value” on picks gained from a trade down. I’m guessing that assessment would only be based on players selected. Anything approaching “book value” favors the team acquiring more picks, imo.
Well right now Howard is under contract with Brate which means the Bucs can still bring back Gronk with ease.
True the freed up cap space makes returning Gronk easier if Howard wasn’t under contract. But the flipside is you don’t have depth beyond Gronk and Brate.
Howard at $6.5 mil is a bargain from my view and another trial run to see how he fits the team long term sounds reasonable to me.
Yes the 5th year option can be overrated but when applied to an OL, DL or even pass rusher the value is very good still. Not as much to a TE like Howard, but I am glad that Howard will have another year to prove himself as a Buc. His potential is sky high.
Howard is tied (with 3 other fifth year option TEs from his class) at 14th highest TE salary for 2021. I hope you’re just being argumentative suggesting that is a value. I hope you don’t genuinely believe OJ could have negotiated a $6 million one year contract anywhere in the league based on his first four seasons. Or cash in anywhere on a long term deal right now.
You should also be able to look beyond OJ and realize the fifth year option is not a great value. It is 100% determined by position and not draft placement. So whatever position you select at 32 would get the exact same fifth year money as a player selected at that position number one overall. Again, the only real potential value is if you hit on an absolute superstar. You can go look at the chart for how much it cost at each position for that fifth year option this year. It’s very easy to make the start of a long-term deal less of a hit against the cap if the team needs money right away. Also, if you were lucky enough to hit on a superstar in the first round, you’re probably not holding them over the barrel on negotiations anyway. So that fifth year option probably isn’t exercised as leverage often, even when it could be. Because if you hit on a superstar you are generally trying to keep them happy anyway and not using leverage points against them too much.
I’m in agreement with Sunny D up there. Hope you guys are right and the thinking is trenches first 3 rounds or an LB in there. Edge/DT/OT… gotta load up. A repeat likely depends on it, ask KC if they could have used some trench depth and if that 1st round RB pick was worth it. FA like White is what oughta happen.
Injuries could hit the secondary and not the lines so obviously you never know and need health luck through the year.
What an awesome last month and its still awesome right now. Talking about prospects and this team improving for next year while basking in SB glory!
Well last off season I thought the Bucs would nab a veteran RB and not bother to draft a RB early in the draft. Vaughn selection surprised me so this time around I hope the Bucs focus on trench players and edge rusher the first four rounds. If they trade out of the first to add more trench players that is fine with me as well.
1. The team is drafting with need in mind due to the short window.
2. Don’t know the need until free agency plays out and we see where the team is at.
I don’t see how anybody could say one position or the other with that in mind, but if the roster somehow looked the exact same I would think CB is the most upgradable considering you can never have enough good ones and the Bucs don’t really have any great ones.
The truth is you can almost never go wrong drafting good OL and DL….there is just almost never too much quality depth on a roster for those positions. Depending on how the FA market shakes out, it will likely be a luxury to be drafting for mostly high end depth. All that considered, if a guy like Trask slips to the 3rd/4th Round, I am considering a QB at that point if think he has a chance to be the guy in a couple years.
I really like Onwu. He pops off the tapes I’ve seen. Watching Tryon vs. videos and kept seeing 95 flashing. If he falls to 32, would definitely be among the top of my list. Unfortunately, I see him creeping up and up on the mocks. Mostly now seeing him go early-mid 20s.