Viewing 33 reply threads

  • Author

    Posts

    • michael89156

      Participant
      Post count: 3229

      Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints By David Guidera June 09, 2014  11:55 pmjimmy_zps0d584fa4.pngThe buzz around the Jimmy Graham franchise tag saga muffled due to his upcoming grievance hearing against the New Orleans Saints. An arbitrator will determine if Graham should be compensated like a tight end—his listed position—or a wide receiver, June 17-18.There is roughly $5 million at stake based on the decision: $7.1 million if the Saints win or $12.1 million if Graham prevails.Graham, who led the league with 16 receiving touchdowns, wants to be paid like a receiver via the franchise tag now and a long-term deal later. The All-Pro only lined up at TE for 33 percent of New Orleans’ snaps in ’13, starting the rest split wide or in the slot.Why would the Saints line him up in a traditional tight end set when he ranks a pedestrian 39th in pass blocking and 41st in run blocking according to Pro Football Focus (subscription required).New Orleans would probably agree with Graham’s self assessment if it didn’t come with a cap-busting price tag. The Saints already rank 31st with only $1.6 million left under the cap. There isn’t an extra five mil under the couch cushions.If the grievance hearing falls in Graham’s favor the Saints will face roster decisions and contract renegotiations. But even if Graham loses, his franchise tag is non-exclusive, meaning any team can tender an offer sheet. The Saints meager cap space leaves them vulnerable to a serious offer.A team hasn’t jumped at a non-exclusive franchise tagged player since Dallas gave up two first-rounders to sign Joey Galloway away from Seattle in 2000. Sacrificing two consecutive first-rounders is costly, but there are five scenarios that might be too tempting to pass up.Note: the teams considered for the list must have at least enough scratch to guarantee $25 million over the next two seasons; a number New Orleans would struggle to match.GM on the Hot SeatThe Houston Texans Rick Smith survived last season’s purge, but Andre Johnson’s gripes don’t bode well for 2014. Why not bet the farm that Graham and Johnson can lift the mediocre prospects of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tom Savage and/or Case Keenum if you’re going to canned anyway?Somehow the Oakland Raiders Reggie McKenzie received a heap of back slaps for what should be deemed a disappointing free agent class considering his massive $60 million bankroll. Slipping Graham in the back door will forgive any blemishes.The Cleveland Browns Ray Farmer is already on the hot seat entering his rookie campaign as Browns GM. Just ask Michael Lombardi.Money to burnThe Jacksonville Jaguars, Cleveland, Cincinnati Bengals, New York Jets and Philadelphia Eagles all have at least $20 million in cap space according to OverTheCap.com. jimmy1_zps2a666562.jpgAttractive fit for both partiesTeams have been trying to match a pair of potent pass-receiving tight ends ever since the Patriots torched the middle with Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski in ’11.The Green Bay Packers could arm Aaron Rodgers with Graham and Jermichael Finley—if Finley gains medical clearance and re-signs with the Packers.Philadelphia could augment Nick Foles’ passing attack sticking Graham opposite Brent Celek/Zach Ertz.The Indianapolis Colts could increase Andrew Luck’s arsenal adding Graham to the TE rotation of Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener.Draft picks to burnCleveland is the lone qualifier in this category thanks to their first-round swap with Buffalo in May. The Browns will really only be out one first round pick in ’16, considering they have on to spare in ’15.A play for Graham is even more tempting considering the pick they keep in ’15 is from a Bills team that only finished over .500 once in this century. It’s reasonable to expect the Bills pick to land somewhere in the top half of the first round.All Cleveland fans need now is Graham’s agent to dress up like a homeless dude and convince Jimmy Haslam to make the move for his player. The combination of Graham and Jordan Cameron would be a formidable security blanket for Brian Hoyer/Johnny Manziel.  A need at tight endGraham would be an improvement to any lineup as the preeminent tight end in the league—sorry, Gronk—but some teams need a viable TE1 option more than others.Jacksonville could use a better option than Marcedes Lewis, who finished 34th in pass receiving among tight ends, according to PFF.Plus, the Jaguars already tendered an offer sheet to a franchised player this offseason when they tried to snag Alex Mack away from the Browns. Cleveland matched and kept the two-time Pro Bowl center, but the move indicates Jacksonville’s willingness to part with draft picks via free agency.The Tennessee Titans replaced the underwhelming Jared Cook—ranked 35th for the St Louis Rams in ’13, per PFF—with an even more yawn-inducing performance from Delanie Walker: his 60 receptions for 571 yards and 6 touchdowns ranked 56th out of 64, according to PFF.Green Bay will be forced to go with Andrew Quarless—ranked 41st, per PFF—or Brandon Bostick if Finley does not return from his neck injury and/or decides to sign with another team.The odds are Graham isn’t going anywhere, because the stakes are high and Drew Brees loves him. But if there’s a front office willing to steal a franchise player for the first time in 13 years, Graham is ripe for the picking.link

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 1385

      Hope somebody does, that would be huge for the rest of the division.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      Because we all know, teams are more than willing to burn draft picks…

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3027

      Eagles have 20 million in cap space? Scary.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      Eagles have 20 million in cap space? Scary.

      Kinda surprised they didnt spend more on D this year.  They will take a small step backwards on offense.  Maclin doesnt bring the same game as DJax did and is coming off injury.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 2847

      Hope somebody does, that would be huge for the rest of the division.

          Unless Atlanta or Carolina take a shot at it…

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3027

      Eagles have 20 million in cap space? Scary.

      Kinda surprised they didnt spend more on D this year.  They will take a small step backwards on offense.  Maclin doesnt bring the same game as DJax did and is coming off injury.

      I think Kelly is still trying to sort things out on defense and I also believe that he won't pay anyone top dollar on offense, maybe QB, because he is starting to seem like a system guy who believes he can plug anyone in. Like Shannahan and that Broncos run game of yester-year.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 642

      Hope somebody does, that would be huge for the rest of the division.

          Unless Atlanta or Carolina take a shot at it...

      Can't see NOLA letting Graham go to a division rival.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 184

      when i open up my fantasy football mock draft app i see Jimmy listed as a TE. thats the position you picked dillweed so suck it up, if you wanna be a WR then decide in a hurry cause i want you and gronk if thats the case

      Please wait…

    • lynnst

      Participant
      Post count: 29

      when i open up my fantasy football mock draft app i see Jimmy listed as a TE. thats the position you picked dillweed so suck it up, if you wanna be a WR then decide in a hurry cause i want you and gronk if thats the case

      All NFL players should be more sympathetic to our FF needs.  ;D

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 2775

      Nobody is stealing Jimmy Graham from the Saints.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 8044

      I would like for him to return all those pro bowls at TE.

      Please wait…

    • brycen54

      Participant
      Post count: 636

      Good point. He seemed comfortable with the TE label when it was to his benefit.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 1830

      Nobody is stealing Jimmy Graham from the Saints.

      True story/Thread

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 318

      No team is going to give 2 1st round picks plus 60+ million for a non-blocking TE. His success was attributed to Brees, send him to Jacksonville and he’ll look like Matt Jones.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 151

      I would like for him to return all those pro bowls at TE.

      Owners should have changed that in the collective bargaining agreement. Cant concede to that stipulation then want it changed once it doesn't work financially for them.He played 66% as  WR. Change his position to that or line him up next to the tackles more but the owners shouldn't bitch about what is clear

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      I would like for him to return all those pro bowls at TE.

      Owners should have changed that in the collective bargaining agreement. Cant concede to that stipulation then want it changed once it doesn't work financially for them.He played 66% as  WR. Change his position to that or line him up next to the tackles more but the owners shouldn't **CENSORED** about what is clear

      Owners werent the ones who listed him as a TE coming out of college.  Owners didnt vote him into the probowl as a TE.  What's next?  Sproles going to say he is a WR since he catches more passes than he rushes?  Just because that ginger from south beach cant block doesnt mean he isnt a TE, it means he is a one dimensional TE.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 151

      hey if you do not like it the owners should change the wording in the CBA.  its in black and white for a reason.  they shouldn’t sign on the dotted line and then complain.  Dude is an elite receiver and deserves to be paid like it regardless of what position he is listed at 

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      hey if you do not like it the owners should change the wording in the CBA.  its in black and white for a reason.  they shouldn't sign on the dotted line and then complain.  Dude is an elite receiver and deserves to be paid like it regardless of what position he is listed at

      And being the highest paid TE in the history of the NFL isnt enough?  Who is the one complaining again?  He seemed pretty ok with that moniker until franchise tag time came. 

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 151

      yeah of course. you are still talking about a 5 million dollar swing.  You don’t think that is worth fighting for?  The owner’s are complaining because it is clear as day that he has lined up more as a WR than a TE.  They don’t want to pay him. Why are you in favor of the billionaire owner who sits in their suite funneling every single dollar they can from the fans and players. And why you are not in favor of the guys that put their body, health and future on the line so people like us can enjoy the games?

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      yeah of course. you are still talking about a 5 million dollar swing.  You don't think that is worth fighting for?  The owner's are complaining because it is clear as day that he has lined up more as a WR than a TE.  They don't want to pay him. Why are you in favor of the billionaire owner who sits in their suite funneling every single dollar they can from the fans and players. And why you are not in favor of the guys that put their body, health and future on the line so people like us can enjoy the games?

      Oh I fully understand the reason for taking a swing, worst case scenario you get the lower million dollar number.  I dont think its the owners having to shell out an extra couple million on one player, its the front office staff who planned the future based on formula's they created on how much cap they will have and what they can give someone they want to keep around.  When you are labeled one thing and then all of a sudden its a possible $5m extra hit, that changes your plans.  I actually hope he wins his greivance, because then the Saints have to either cut someone or restructure someone immediately.  OR some other team comes in and signs him to an offer sheet the Saints cant match.  Either way, NOLA is hurt and I am happy.And honestly, I dont side with either the millionaires or billionaires...because neither of them do much for me. 

      Please wait…

    • brycen54

      Participant
      Post count: 636

      “Why are you in favor of the billionaire owner who sits in their suite funneling every single dollar they can from the fans and players.”Fortunately the players aren't greedy like that.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      "Why are you in favor of the billionaire owner who sits in their suite funneling every single dollar they can from the fans and players."Fortunately the players aren't greedy like that.

      lol

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 10626

      I don’t think he will be going anywhere.  Even if the Saints lose the appeal, they will scrape together enough pesos to pay him. Brees loves him, so if he had to, he would restructure to keep Jimmy around. Not to mention, 2 first round picks is insanity.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 8044

      Why are you in favor of the billionaire owner who sits in their suite funneling every single dollar they can from the fans and players. And why you are not in favor of the guys that put their body, health and future on the line so people like us can enjoy the games?

      because graham is a hypocrite. Had he said years ago he wasn’t a TE then I’d have respected the move much more. Now hes just trying to steal money he didn’t earn imo.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 151

      HAHA.didnt earn it..he is a better WR than 80% if the actual wrs in the league

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      HAHA.didnt earn it..he is a better WR than 80% if the actual wrs in the league

      To be fair, he has a top 5 QB and HC...who really knows what he is/would be without those two things.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 151

      i agree with that…and he was crap in the playoffs, but dont tag him if you dont think he is worth what the CBA says he is.i want to be clear i think he is a dbag but i think the owners are bigger dbags

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      i agree with that...and he was crap in the playoffs, but dont tag him if you dont think he is worth what the CBA says he is.i want to be clear i think he is a dbag but i think the owners are bigger dbags

      It will be interesting for sure. 

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 8044

      , but dont tag him if you dont think he is worth what the CBA says he is.

      does the cba list him as a WR? I assumed the cba would list him as a TE since everyone and their mother has considered him a TE since his hurricane days.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      , but dont tag him if you dont think he is worth what the CBA says he is.

      does the cba list him as a WR? I assumed the cba would list him as a TE since everyone and their mother has considered him a TE since his hurricane days.

      Wording of the CBA leaves it open to interpretation since he lined up in a typical WR position 60% of the time and a typical TE position 40%....thus him and his agent want WR money which is $5M more on the tag.  As our Catcher in the Rye friend pointed out, they should have addressed that in the new CBA, especially after it came up a few years back with Suggs in Baltimore.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 8044

      , but dont tag him if you dont think he is worth what the CBA says he is.

      does the cba list him as a WR? I assumed the cba would list him as a TE since everyone and their mother has considered him a TE since his hurricane days.

      Wording of the CBA leaves it open to interpretation since he lined up in a typical WR position 60% of the time and a typical TE position 40%....thus him and his agent want WR money which is $5M more on the tag.  As our Catcher in the Rye friend pointed out, they should have addressed that in the new CBA, especially after it came up a few years back with Suggs in Baltimore.

      but where does it stop? Should 43 des be paid differently than 34 des? Tall WRs vs short WRs? 3rd down backs vs primary RBs? The guy didnt have a problem being a TE until he found a loophole.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 3028

      , but dont tag him if you dont think he is worth what the CBA says he is.

      does the cba list him as a WR? I assumed the cba would list him as a TE since everyone and their mother has considered him a TE since his hurricane days.

      Wording of the CBA leaves it open to interpretation since he lined up in a typical WR position 60% of the time and a typical TE position 40%....thus him and his agent want WR money which is $5M more on the tag.  As our Catcher in the Rye friend pointed out, they should have addressed that in the new CBA, especially after it came up a few years back with Suggs in Baltimore.

      but where does it stop? Should 43 des be paid differently than 34 des? Tall WRs vs short WRs? 3rd down backs vs primary RBs? The guy didnt have a problem being a TE until he found a loophole.

      Thats the problem, nobody knows.  Apparently the way its worded would also allow C's and G's to challenge for LT money if they get tagged.  This once instance could open up a can of worms.  Im actually a little surprised they hadnt done what the Ravens did and find some middle ground between the two tag numbers.Of course, that would be the smart thing to do...but breaking the bank for Byrd before Graham's deal was done probably wasnt the smartest thing to do either.

      Please wait…

    • Anonymous

      Inactive
      Post count: 8983

      Who wants to bet if he ever goes FA, the falcons try to buy him up immediately?Also, idk why we're talking about this guy really. He's definitely not going to be playing here, and if he's not playing there, that's probably a very good thing for us.The thread title should read, "graham-watch." Because, if we can't beat him, hopefully he gtfo of our division.

      Please wait…

Viewing 33 reply threads
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.