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    • jbear

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      https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/politics/stimulus-checks-congress-negotiations-timeline/index.html

      Previously, individuals earning less than $75,000 and couples earning less than $150,000 received the full amount. The $600 payments gradually phase out, cutting off money for single filers without children earning more than $87,000 and married couples without children earning more than $174,000.
      Households with children were eligible for more money. For example, a couple with two children earning a little more than $250,000 a year would still receive a partial payment, according to the Tax Foundation.
      The Republican proposal would provide the full payment to individuals earning less than $40,000 a year and couples earning less than $80,000 — and the payments would phase out faster, cutting off individuals making more than $50,000 and couples making more than $100,000.
      About 29 million fewer households would receive money under the Republican plan, according to analysts at the The Penn Wharton Budget Model, who warned that the figures are preliminary since no formal legislative text is available yet.
      About 95% of families would qualify under Biden’s proposal, compared to 78% under the GOP plan.

      It’s time we all reflect on what we think we know. I’ve heard some around here who like to use the phrase “GOP shit show” Whenever any of their cherished progressive values come under fire. I think some of those people are just closed minded and get a headache any time someone asks them to think about any of the things they take for granted.

      The new stimulus is a perfect example.

      Notice that this is a CNN article. Immediately following the Republican proposed reduction in income caps, CNN launches head first into the DNC talking point that the Democrat plan will get the money into more households. No shit? We’re all stupid I guess.

      But who should be getting stimulus after all? Everyone is filing 2020 tax returns currently so anyone who was negatively affected financially by the blue state plague, will have a tax return that reflects that they are now officially poor right? They’ll get stimulus if their truly poor even under the Republican plan right?

      But maybe $150,000.00 of income is the new poor? Maybe a couple making 150k is suffering and struggling and needs thousands of dollars immediately to stave off starvation. How many people do we all know who got the stimulus and don’t need it? How many have told you so point blank?

      I didn’t need the last one. If I’d get another one I’ll probably use it on something frivolous or dump it into the stock market or something useless. I like money though… that’s the best thing about Democrats right now. They love handing out other people’s money.

      And there’s another thing about income that nobody wants to talk about. Sure the super rich are excluded but “Income” as defined by our financial and tax system includes wages, self employment income, retirement distributions, interest, dividends and capital gains…. there’s also royalties and rental income but you get the point. Wages are by far the biggest driver of income reporting. That’s because you have to have a lot of money held in non retirement investment accounts to have 150k in income in a given year. That’s not super rich but it’s pretty well off. Especially when you consider that anyone who has money is surely taking advantage of retirement accounts which only count as income when you take money out and you only have to take a small portion out if you’re over 72 years old. The point again….. Wages are the biggest driver of income.

      What that means is that most of the people still earning 150k are still at their jobs earning their wages. They don’t need stimulus… but they also vote. And when Trump was President you guys seemed to have a good handle on that idea. But now Uncle Joe is President and wants to give a bunch of checks to a bunch of people who don’t need them.

      So you have republicans actually playing the role of preserving government spending programs because the only way we’ll be able to keep paying for any of them is to raise taxes significantly. Of course since Democrats have the Senate they can just ram though whatever tax increases they like so I guess they are already counting on that since many on the left are calling for even bigger checks to top it off.

      If any of this makes any of you at least think… I hope you won’t get too much of a headache, I’ll be pleased to know I got the wheels turning again. That’s half the battle.

    • jbear

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      The GOP Shit show wants to give stimulus to less households! How dare they! Everyone needs stimulus! Everyone is struggling! When I get mine I’m going to start dining out every evening until it runs out because I live in Florida and can do whatever I want…. of course we all still have jobs too. But what about those poor unfortunate souls… the Portland Antifa/BLM protesters? They need money too! and all the millions of Asylum seekers hunkered down in blue states? They need money just as much as all the Florida Country club retirees who have millions of dollars in retirement savings but can still manage less than 150k of income on a tax return. We all need it! The GOP shit show will kill us all! They hate everyone brown! They’re all racists!

      • DCGoth

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        But maybe $150,000.00 of income is the new poor?

        Unless you’re living in a shithole state like Florida, yeah, that is a pretty low income.

        In D.C. I was taking home $20,000 per month, after taxes, and still living paycheck to Paycheck.

        Had I lived in Los Angeles, like most people I knew in the US, none were earning below $350,000 annually.

        Very few people live in flyover country. That is why it’s flyover country. It’s just land stolen from the rightful owners by a bunch of pasty white folk could play cowboy, while forcing them into reservations. Fuck this country.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • spartan

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        The average U.S. household income is $87,864, and the median is $61,937. So 150K might not mean much to you my socialist friend, but to the rest of us in the real world, it does.

      • jbear

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        Yeah but Spartan, that’s flyover country. DC is a world traveler who worked in DC as a government contractor making good bank but could barely pay his bills. Waahhaaahaahaha!

        The benevolent left strikes again. They love the heck out of everyone…. unless you live in the flyover states which happens to be most of the country.

      • DCGoth

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        unless you live in the flyover states which happens to be most of the country.

        To be clear, I don’t give a Fucky about any part of this shithole country. Flyover country just holds more inequities to the true owners of this land, before being kicked into reservations after mass slaughter of their people.

        How about giving the country back to the true owners, while also paying reparations for the genocide of the multiple cultures displaced in the name of “liberty”.

        Genocide is genocide, whether it be by Nazis or the US Cavalry.

        I’ll finish this with George Carlin’s appropriate rewrite of AtB:

        Oh beautiful for smoggy skies
        Insecticided grain
        For strip-mined mountain’s majesty
        Above the asphalt plain

        America, America
        Man sheds his waste on thee
        And hides the pines with billboard signs
        From sea to oily sea

        – George Carlin

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • DCGoth

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        government contractor making good bank but could barely pay his bills.

        Also, to be clear, as a contractor my salary was average for contractors. I made a lot more as a GS14 which is an actual Federal Employee, yet I tripled my income by going into UK television, so my switch to a UK company had nothing to do with US pay rates. I worked for the UK Media and spent very little time in the US. I was only here for the occasional US broadcast and when we sold Studio time to Pat Roberson, and I had to work on-set for CBN.

        Also, if you wish to complain, go after the Religious Right. They would fleece $20m from people here, and they would do it over a weekend. If I wanted to clean up financially, I’d get a haircut and become a televangelist. I’ve seen how they do it. It’s an easy model to follow.

        (Granted, the Q Shaman Asshole has shown that not any idiot can turn religion into cash. I’d still love to see the ghost of Sitting Bull bitch slap him and shove his horns up his ass.)

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • DCGoth

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        The average U.S. household income is $87,864, and the median is $61,937.

        Except the country is a large bit of real estate and state by state, fractured the national numbers. (If we too National Vote to name President, how many Republicans would be in that list. It was nice living in Maryland, where I never even felt the need to vote. Maryland gets called roughly eight seconds after the polls close. In D.C., Democrats outnumber Republicans 19 to 1).

        Median Household Income – D.C.: $92,266
        Average Household Income – D.C.: $134,385.32
        Median Home Value – D.C.: $567,800

        Median Household Income – Maryland: $86,738
        Average Household Income – Maryland: $125,053.40
        Median Home Value – Maryland: $290,500

        Median Household Income – California: $80,440
        Average Household Income – California: $111,632.93
        Median Home Value – California: $550,800

        Median Household Income – Florida: $59,227
        Average Household Income – Florida: $85,581.31
        Median Home Value – Florida: $237,900

        U.S. Median Income: $65,712
        U.S. Average Household Income: $97,973.61

        Median numbers derived from Census / Federal Data

        Side note on Maryland (You could also include Virginia) When you drill down to the County Level, counties bordering D.C. increases significantly to around $600,000. (In Potomac, Maryland, you cannot find a house for under $1M, and that is a conservative estimate. Also, tbh, if you want a decent house in Prime, you’re looking at $14m – $25m and higher.

        So, yeah, a $75,000 limit is a fair amount for stimulus. People have been affected nationwide by the apocalypse, not just in lower Income states.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • spartan

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        Which are all are less than the “low” salary of 150k.

        Funny how the avowed socialist thinks that 350k is a reasonable salary yet looks down at the shithole working man on 50k.

        You’re hero Che would have put you up against a wall and shot you.

      • DCGoth

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        Which are all are less than the “low” salary of 150k.

        Funny how the avowed socialist thinks that 350k is a reasonable salary yet looks down at the shithole working man on 50k.

        First, nowhere do I look down on period of lesser means. I look down in this shithole country that, unlike the EU, expects people to have no safety net, no health insurance, and no true representation in government, unless you are fortunate enough to have ssn employer that provides those things. Every other first-world nation offers a living wage. Here, waitresses are paid about $3 an hour and must pray to the tip gods. I think the 75 / 150 cap on stimulus is fine. My list of state levels simply support that this isn’t a “Blue State” issue. Plenty of line workers get fucked in the ass annually by Tyson and Perdue. Ever drive through the Eastern Shore? Chicken Shit is not a pleasant odor, yet Maryland is a “Blue State”. If you doubt that there is a lack o of poverty in “Blue States”, take a stroll through Baltimore one evening. You could even pick up a war bride in Pig Town. (Southern part of Balmer, officially called Brooklyn. All poor white trailer folk there). The hard part is surviving the stroll through Balmer. Alternatively, you could visit the housing projects, like the I grew up in, after my father booked in ‘71, once he had his green card and couldn’t be drafted. You may survive for about fifteen minutes. Those projects are why I worked until 3AM most nights to pay my way through my insanely priced high school. I PAID MY OWN TUITION, along with my car payment and insurance. FWIW, living in a project is a great motivator to get the fuck out of a project, yet all I see here is people bitching about others living off of “free money”. Try it for a weekend. (My project was on the D.C. side. Balmer was probably a step up). So, yeah, I was able to work my ass off to get the fuck into better paying positions. I also managed to do it without dealing drugs or being in a gang. (Later on, I did know a good number of MS13, though. The one bar I frequent when going home is an MS13 bar). So, in short, I make no excuses and feel no guilt that I was able to get those high paying jobs. I also had nothing handed to me. Divorce settlements around 1971 sucked; however, Wife #3 succeed in taking over $1m from my father when he was about to move on to Wife #4.

        So, yeah, you call me a socialist like I should be offended by that? I doubt Ché would have an issue with me; however, we’ll never know, as he was assassinated by the CIA in 1965. Also, to reiterate, Batista was a dictator, nor a democratically elected leader. He was just a dictator that was friendly with the US. He gathered as many, if not more, people up for execution than Castro. When my friend’s family from way back escaped Cuba,, it wasn’t because of Castro. It was because Batista was executing anyone he deemed a threat, which meant anyone under fifty that could fire a rifle. If you’re going to complain about Cuba, you should, at the least, do a little research first.

        In the fifties, Cuba was just a producer of sugar cane did the US. Up until the 80s, 90% of Guatemala was controlled by US Fruit, so we’re could get cheap bananas. The locals were starving because they couldn’t farm their own lands.

        The ONLY thing I ever recorded from my father was Canadian citizenship. I’m just glad he was too much of a coward to risk being drafted. (Who knows, though. My grandfather, born in London, UK in 1896, fought in WWI and WWII. When he died at 92, it was from shrapnel he still had in his stomach from 1915, so I can’t judge my father for the shit he did. I never had to live his life.

        Also, should you wish to look down on anyone, walk a mile in their fucking shoes first. Unlike most peeps here, I’m an open book. I’ve been using DCGoth since before Prodigy and dial-up. Also, remain cognisant that the internet is a work of fiction, do not believe everything you find to be accurate. (Which is why I blow OT shit about always referencing Rumble as his main “source” of info).

        Also, yes I remain constant in my Bible that this is a shithole country that could give a fuck about people lacking in means. In fact, those people are fucked in stereo. First from the giant, and in the other side by assholes who like to slot everyone that needs public assistance into a category of lazy, unmotivated people who are happy to live off of what the government gives them.

        I’ve walked on that path, and the myth of people taking advantage of “handouts” is just as much bullshit as the Q stories. I can’t think of a single person, in my entire life, who was happy to live that way.

        Here’s one last fun bit of info for you. I had to start sounding newspapers, back when that was a thing, at the age of eleven. That allowed me to have some $$. Part of my route was a seventeen story high-rise. Sunday mornings I would have to walk around people shooting up in the stairwells, but that was commonplace. When I was twelve, I had to collect from a lady who’s family I knew. She could better afford the $1.15, but on that night she paid me. The next morning I wake up to a parking lot filled with police and Ambulances. This lady was disturbed that her husband was drinking again, and lost his job, so about an hour after I left the apartment, she put a bullet in his head. She then put another bullet into the heads of her two teens, followed by her three year-old, and saved the last one for herself. Back then, the news would show the entire crime scene on camera, a bunch of beds soaked with more blood that one would see in a combat film. The three year-old lived for about a week. So, yeah, another family happy to live on the public dole, I guess?

        Now you can understand that, when I write literary it’s dark. You write what you live. You still have to have the creativity, though. I can teach anyone to write. I can’t teach them talent, though. (Also why you’ll never see me on the NYT Best Seller list. Although a few of my friends have been there. I’m happy publishing to shit literary journals, and just writing horror in my films. There is no money in horror, unless you are Stephen King, John Carpenter or Wes Craven. I’m good with that, though.

        So, welcome to my nightmare. (Apologies to Alice Cooper).

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        DC the post is hilarious. You take the inequities presented by hyperinflated government spending and turn it into a badge of honor. In Florida, people have to work in the actual economy and don’t get the special privilege of a cushy job with no purpose except to “stimulate” the economy. My standard of living is as high or higher than it would be in any of those states you mentioned even if I made more money.

        You keep chasing DC. I’m an optimist, I think you will eventually find happiness.

      • DCGoth

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        There are some typos above. I’m not fixing them. They can be figured out with decent reading comprehension. That’s too much shit to lose if the board eats my post.

        One fix. Bible should’ve been belief. No fucking clue where autocorrect gets this shit. Rarely do I use the word Bible, and I would never capitalise it. That’s all on autocorrect.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • spartan

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        Responding here because it’s smaller than the book above.

        It sounds like you had it tougher than I did when you were a kid. I did not have to walk around druggies etc. Yet your Dad’s 3rd wife took him for a million? In 1971? In the projects?

        But we weren’t well off either. My parents slept in the kitchen till I was about 8. I worked full time and paid for my own college as well. I was the first in my family to graduate with a degree. All the usual banality; We all have our stories. Oh, and btw, Che was killed by the Bolivian army in 1967. Just nit picking. Assuming it was a typo.

        It’s quite ironic because even in LA which you use as an example the current average incoming is mid 70’s. 350k “back then” (which sounds like quite a while ago) would have been a HUGE amount of money. Your references to working class people seem to be add odds with your lived experiences, childhood aside.

      • DCGoth

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        @spartan (btw, yeah, always typos. I rarely use my system for much, other than writing, (Final Draft & Word), editing, (Final Cut Pro), and Gaming, (WoW for Mac and Eve.) Most other things, these days, I do on phone, iPad, or Gaming System (these days, mostly Switch).

        Yet your Dad’s 3rd wife took him for a million? In 1971? In the projects?

        I figured I’d break this up, for ease of reference. No, my father divorced my mom in ‘71. Back then, women mostly stayed at home, so when he booked, the divorce settlement was shit, and since 1959 or so, my mom was just a housewife. She had some bookkeeping experience from the mid ‘50s, plus women distant get jobs with much Eade back then.

        A quick few points on my father:

        He was born in Ontario, 1936. (Due to Cámara not being a country yet, my father was also a subject to the crown, along with my grandparents and uncles. My grandfather was born ™ The UK, though).

        My father’s family came here in 1955. My grandfather and Uncles all worked for either the British or Canadian Embassies. (WhyI was broom in D.C.) None of them ever took citizenship here. My father wasn’t too keen on embassy work. As a result, he needed a Green Card. Wife #1 happened around ‘56 – ‘57 or so. That lasted about six months.

        My mom was wife #2. Married in ‘58. I was born and followed by two brothers. E were raised Catholic, as that was from my mom’s side. Once my father had his Green Card, and he had enough kids, plus sentiment in the war was coming. My father booked from us, in ‘71. My mom found some bookkeeping work, finally working for the C Archdiocese of Washington. It still didn’t pay much and since the divorce serpent was laughable, that’s what sent up into the projects.

        Wife #3 came six weeks after the divorce was filed. (Loophole in Nevada law made that possible.) Do in ‘72, my father had one more kid with Wife #3. During that time, my father purchased two stores and two apartment buildings in Northern Virginia. That was just before all estate took off, so he made a killing.

        Apparently, my father wasn’t much more happy with Wife #3, though. Apparently he was also still somewhat abusive. What was discipline in the ‘60s became “abuse” by sometime in the 80s. My father almost went to prison for child abuse on the kid from Wife #3. By ‘91 or so, he was treated to one more divorce. Because things were different in the ‘90s, plus he had amused a good bit of capital, Wife #3 was rewarded over $1m, leaving him a good bit, but a million, back then, had to have hurt some. Also, during that time, my father never included old family with new, so during my ten years, until I was out of the Army I saw him twice. Since 1991, I’ve seen him two more times, the last time being ten years ago.

        Wife #4 was already wealthy, from her family, and also just eight years older than me. He’s eight-five and he still buys a house every two years is so. I guess he collects them. He currently owns one in Tennessee, one in Wyoming, one in Spokane, and two in Port Angeles.

        Out of myself, my one brother still living, and the kid from Wife #3, In
        I’m the only one who ever even still speaks to him, since the 80s. I won’t inherit anything, so I’m not losing sleep on that. I’m good with just getting the Canadian citizenship. I have no say over what my brother, or his other kid does, but I just got tired of being angry into my late twenties. IMHO, holding onto shit for forty years didn’t work for me, plus I’m no one to judge him. I never had to live his life. In the end, I only have to be satisfied with myself. (He’s also in mid-stage Alzheimer’s, so I doubt there will be a Wife #5.)

        Che was killed by the Bolivian army

        True on Che. Half the time I’m lucky to catch his name after autocorrect. The years was a Fat Finger Syndrome thing. (People need little teen fingers to toe on a phone, and mine are all large.)

        While I am aware he was killed in Bolivia, it was a CIA hit. I’m pretty certain that’s been declassified by now. I would also be willing to bet that, despite the comments from US sources that they no longer kill people in covert ops, Is be stopping to guess that there’s been a questionable death or two since they “stopped”.

        Same with Chemical and Biological Weapons. Theoretically, we’re not supposed to have them. We all know that’s not true.

        It’s quite ironic because even in LA which you use as an example the current average incoming is mid 70’s. 350k “back then” (which sounds like quite a while ago) would have been a HUGE amount of money.

        Also true about the income in Los Angeles; however, like anew York and D.C., there are some really bad neighbourhoods there that limit income when it’s factored to an average or median. Los Angeles still actually has areas with rent control, in some pretty decent locations, plus there is also Compton, and a good number of areas that have an inequity from others living close by.

        In close friends, I have a friend that was in Brentwood, followed by Bel Air. (She just recently moved to San Jose. No idea why.) With her, whom I’ve known since she was fifteen, her father was an Executive VP with Merrill Lynch. Once she earned her Masters, she’s been a trust-fund kid ever since. She doesn’t need to work and she spend her summers with her mother, who lives in Spain.

        My other friends there, that are closest, one is an EVP for BoA, and another owns a pretty large construction company.

        That said, I also know some people, through films, who live somewhat close to LAX, around La Cienega and El Segundo. People living down there still have to pay about $2,000 to cover rent, though.

        California overall drops in State numbers due to it being such a large state, with all of the decent places to live being much higher than having a place close to Barstow. So, IMHO, it’s really difficult to properly define any part of California, even Los Angeles.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • spartan

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        OK, I’ll take my comment back.

        Che was still a murdering bastard though, and it wasn’t a CIA hit. He was executed after he was caught. They helped in the search by all accounts, but there was nothing subtle about his death.

      • DCGoth

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        Oh, the -1 wasn’t new. Not certain why you received it.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        @Spartan

        I was thinking the same thing…. grew up in the projects yet deadbeat Dad had a million dollar divorce settlement. Was his dad Don Draper? Is this the rough childhood that turned you into a socialist? Sounds about right I have to admit.

      • DCGoth

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        To be clear, my father was never a deadbeat. He just used divorce laws to his benefit.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • DCGoth

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        In Florida, people have to work in the actual economy

        You don’t understand shit about economics. Floriduh is an entire state based upon an economy reliant on the service industry that feeds off of tourism. Why rose would DeSenseless open up so early? It’s because he needs those tourist dollars and to him, his electorate is expendable. People down here are just too fucking stupid to know better, which I assume is why the Confederacy lost the war, and they’re still pissed about that. That war ended. Minorities are your equal. Get used to it.

        For the rest, Reece the above response to Spartan. I’m not typing all of that shit over again.

        I will reiterate, though. Walk a mile in my fucking shoes before you make generalisations on a few board postings. Republicans are full of shit now and they’ve always been full of shit. Plus it still doesn’t excuse Europeans from stealing this land from it’s rightful owners and then shoving them on reservations. I’m just fucking glad I had no family here back then. This country is an embarrassment to the real first world. Try to get an abortion here and you’re a baby killer. The US rule is to wait until they reach adulthood and execute them. I guess it’s all in the timing.

        The US, in having a Death Penalty, is right up there with the Middle East, Russia, China, and the third world. Isn’t it about time this country tries to take a few lessons from Europe?

        The war ended. The cousin-fuckers lost. It’s time to move on from 1865.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        pffffft. You’re taking douchebaggery to a whole new level.

        I was born in Florida… do you actually think you know more about it than I do? Some smart guy who still has the balls to advocate for blue state economic shutdowns after it’s proved that they don’t work and are much much worse than the cure. Look, people are wrong sometimes. I get a good pivot when you get new information but what kind of intelligent person can advocate for socialism and has the nerve mock the State of Florida for being open AFTER the disaster that was 2020 for blue state lockdowns? Are you even serious?

        Governor Cuomo murdered old people. Flat out murdered them which turns out to be just about what everyone would expect from a socialist government in the first place.

        What is really depressing about your existence is the willful blindness and overt bigotry and hatred for humanity that the left has allowed you to become such a disgusting Nazi brown shirt without even knowing it.

      • DCGoth

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        What is really depressing about your existence is the willful blindness and overt bigotry and hatred for humanity that the left has allowed you to become such a disgusting Nazi brown shirt without even knowing it.

        It’s somewhat contradictory to be a fascist and a socialist.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        You might want to mention that to Antifa…. The fascist, anti-fascist hate group that’s full of anti-capitalists and socialists.

      • DCGoth

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        My standard of living is as high or higher than it would be in any of those states you mentioned even if I made more money.

        Doubtful, but you’ll never know. I’ll take living in a real city, with a real economy, any day of the week. I’d also take Cape Town over this state 100% of the time. India, not so much. Too fucking hot. (Food is better, though.)

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        You must be the most miserable human being I’ve ever spoken with.

        And the biggest advocate for Socialism.

        If anyone bothers to read any of this I hope they will take your words to heart. This is exactly the type of person who advocates for Socialism. This is the type of person who will be the boss man in that system. This is the type of human refuse who will be sitting on the death board of the national healthcare sub committee 347b. This is what a Socialist is because Socialists don’t respect individuals.

        If I could choose someone to represent socialism it would be you. Thank you for making it a little easier to point out how disgusting people are who believe in Socialism.

      • DCGoth

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        I have no problem with being a socialist.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        I wonder how many Socialists actually want to claim you?

        Hey DC, you’re supposed to be benevolent… it’s all about the starving kids, equality and loving everyone. You sound about as lovable as the leader of a white supremacist biker gang.

        But like I said, do you. You are one of the few honest Socialists I’ve ever talked to. For that I give you props.

        Actually this gives me a great idea for a new blog on the peoples cube…. Bernie Sanders takes a truth serum and chaos ensues.

      • jbear

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        Thanks DC. You sound like about as wonderful a person as I would expect an overt liberal to be.

      • DCGoth

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        would expect an overt liberal to be.

        I’m far from liberal. My politics make Bernie Sanders look like a Tea Party Republican. Also, I have no regrets on being a devout leftist.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        Where is cancel culture when we really need it? If anyone should be barred from earning tax dollars it should be someone like this. Instead cancel culture is wielded like a machine gun at the people who live in the flyover states and believe dumb shit.

        If there was any justice in this country, people like this would be rooted out and banned from earning anything off the taxpayers dime.

      • DCGoth

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        Cancel culture targeting flyover states? Tell that to three quarters of Hollywood. I’m also certain Kevin Spacey might have an opinion.

        Also, as a result of my employment, I paid a shit ton of taxes. So, you are saying that anyone speaking in dissent should not get the money back that was paid over many years into taxes? Unlike my ex and her family, who are from Old Money, I never tried to game the tax system, never lived off of Capital Gains, and paid an insane amount in taxes.

        If you feel that strongly about the right to dissent, Russia and Putin completely agree. I’m certain you would love Leningrad.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        People who work for the government are supposed to be the servants of the taxpayers.

        In a society that respects business and free enterprise that is how it is.

        In a society where the people pray at the alter of government, the bureaucrats, “elected” officials, appointees and government contractors are the patrons and the people are the servants. That is where we are heading.

        In countries where this is practiced, you wait in lines that can last most of the day to get some form stamped by some official so that you can travel to the next county only to see the friends and neighbors of this functionary, skip to the front of the line.

      • DCGoth

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        People who work for the government are supposed to be the servants of the taxpayers.

        In a society that respects business and free enterprise that is how it is.

        No, people in government are Civil Servants. That goes way beyond taxpayers.

        Also, I do not edict or believe in any form of free enterprise. You should venture out of this state. In Maryland, if you need to call an Ambulance, it’s free. It comes out of state taxes and is distributed to everyone. Just because you’re poor, you don’t have to call an Über if you’re having a heart attack.

        In countries where this is practiced, you wait in lines that can last most of the day to get some form stamped by some official so that you can travel to the next county only to see the friends and neighbors of this functionary, skip to the front of the line.

        This paragraph tells me you’ve most likely never been outside of US borders, and you’ve definitely not experienced life in any of those places you think exist that way. Most of the EU have open borders. If you are in any of the C4 nations, Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, I forget the fourth, you travel freely between countries.

        There are a number of other examples. The Berlin Wall fell awhile ago. The Iron Curtain isn’t very “Iron” these days. I’ll give you India and Pakistan, primarily because they hate each other. You can also get around pretty easily these days in Southeast Asia. It’s still a pain to get into North Korea, but who would actually want to go to North Korea?

        Most people in Southern India don’t go very far, but getting to the border from Chennai is a pretty long ass ride, and most peeps there ride small, 250cc, motorcycles. They also shared the roads with carts being pulled by bicycle or oxen.

        The biggest pain in that ass country that I’ve experienced is Israel, coming or going. (Which is fine. Not many Israelis want to stroll into Jordan. It’s not that difficult, though. The borders are all mostly fortified to the north, and the Gaza Strip. Flying into Tel Aviv, off of the Mediterranean, looks a lot like flying into Miami, except with nicer beaches.

        I’m not even certain that it’s too difficult getting into the CIS countries these days.

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      • jbear

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        @DC

        I haven’t lived most of my life in “better countries” as you have but I’ve been to Eastern Europe several times. It seems like a place you ought to visit as you’re education is sorely lacking. I’ve seen the collective farms that still stand in every Ukrainian village. There are generations of older folk there who are so used to having the state take care of them that they still pine to be back working on the collective farm. I’ve seen hospitals that would make a sophisticated EU socialist like you puke in the first bucket you come across. This is the result of nearly 100 years of socialism. Free healthcare… Try google and enjoy it DC.

        You are woefully misguided. The future you strive for is a monstrosity because it will devolve and it will devolve faster when those systems don’t have to hold them up to relatively more free economies. That is why the big push to bring the U.S. into the fold. NHS is barely functioning in the U.K. Treatments are denied, costs are out of control and lines are way beyond what an American has come to expect of their healthcare. If NHS is forced to keep up standards of care produced in a free (More free) market then it will eventually collapse. The same can be said for Canada.

        And this all goes back to the single biggest reason why the future you work towards is a horror. It’s because this future demands the crushing of individual liberty to prop up collective goals. Already Canadians and Europeans have been conditioned to accept a loss of dignity and choice in healthcare and all other facets of life. There was baby Charlie, the shutting down of the country in the U.K. and the shutting down of Travel in Canada. All in the name of the collective good. But the individual is the highest possible form of civilization. A society that respects all individuals rights to make decisions and choices that affect their happiness is the untried perfect future, not some world where the state takes care of all facets of life and looks out for everyone’s best interests whether you agree what that is or not.

      • DCGoth

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        I haven’t lived most of my life in “better countries” as you have but I’ve been to Eastern Europe several times. It seems like a place you ought to visit



        @JBear

        First, in reference to the examples you list, you will notice that I parenthetically exclude CIS States. Considering you’ve been to the region, I would assume that you would know what the CIS States,(Содружество Независимых Государств), are.

        Originally: “Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan”, Georgia left, while The Ukraine and Turkmenistan never ratified membership, but still participate in CIS treaties and such, so, right there, I’ve already responded. Also, FWIW, while in AIT, that was comprised of sixty weeks to learn Russian. I will admit that my Russian is Rudy, though.

        At any rate, I’m not certain where you get that I’ve bounced from one desirable country to the next. As I mentioned, I worked for UK Television, so most of my destinations are past territories of the UK. Last I’ve checked, very few people have any desire to vacation in Southern India, or South Africa. I could probably also include Israel in that group, as most people I encounter there are usually on some type of religious-based travel package, or they’re there on business. (Nothing like kicking back beer in a hotel bar, sitting next to a priest visiting from The Vatican. Any time I’m in decent parts of the globe, I’m usually visiting friends, on my own dime.

        Also, health care in most of the EU is not as bad as CIS Nations. That said, while working in India, I had to be treated for Cholera. (Not a fun thing to deal with, btw). So, at any rate, I have no complaints with the medical care I received in Chennai. The entire cost of treatment, including meds), cost me roughly $2 US. That included a script for Cipro.

        As far as the “nice” places, you don’t sound very informed on how it even why most of the EU has National health care. You’ll have to reference the WWII agreements of You wish to learn further.

        That said, I have never met a single person who has complained about The NHS, or the Canadian System. Actually, the inverse is true. I’ve never heard a single bad word about either. Also, recently, Nim Carey has stated a number of times that he’s never paid for a single Rx in his life. John Oliver once did an entire show that spoke of the quality of care given by the NHS.

        As far as some lines, in some of the more needy countries, at least you get an appointment. Here, should you not have insurance and you have cancer, chances are you’ll never know you have cancer until it’s too late, plus, with no insurance, there is no lines to await treatment because you are on your own.

        Try living on a $12 hr wage, or so, like a lot of people down here. You are above the poverty level, so no Medicaid, yet you probably aren’t employed with an employer that offers health care, and even if you are, who can afford medical bills on a $12 an hour job. Florida chose not to expand the ACA, so that is not an option here.

        So, since it seems that you’re most familiar with The Ukraine, I imagine that’s related to a K1 Visa?

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        First of all, “The” Ukraine is not a place, smart guy. It’s an insult to call it that and won’t make you any friends.

        All the bullshit you spew it’s probably more likely that you’re confined to an electric chair and are typing all this shit out with your eyeballs than that any of it’s true.

        If I’m digging for substance in all that bs, I guess I’m unsurprisingly bothered by the recurring idea that not having to pay for a prescription your whole life is the end all be all of everything. Once again we’re back to, healthcare should be free…. because we neeeeeeeed it! But why do we insist that it has to be free? Why Free? Because it’s not free, you’re just demanding that it be administered by the state and amounts to rationed care.

        And the conditioning of your Canadian and British examples, lauding the wonderful state of free healthcare. Any open minded person would find that disturbing. Like a pet rather than a human being…. just happy to get their daily ration. The entire population has been conditioned for collectivism. Slogans like “Protect The NHS” are a rallying call to preserve the state run system against what… better healthcare? You’ll see signs like this on the front of the Podium whenever Borris Johnson speaks. It’s twisted.

        Just a simple google search of NHS wait times will give you an unbiased, official rundown that explains the constitutional right of patients to receive treatment within 18 weeks. There is an annual bed crisis durring the winter months that doesn’t sound like very much fun either.

        So no, I never lived there but yes I can read and do try to pay attention.

      • DCGoth

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        First of all, “The” Ukraine is not a place, smart guy. It’s an insult to call it that and won’t make you any friends.

        All the bullshit you spew it’s probably more likely that you’re confined to an electric chair and are typing all this shit out with your eyeballs than that any of it’s true.

        I wouldn’t know. My only knowledge from there was from a film I had open in Kiev. After the Army, the only Russian I practiced was with some Embassy friends from Estonia and Latvia. I would grab an occasional beer with them.

        As far as anything I write, believe what you want. It really makes no difference to me. I write for myself. I also have no reason be making any of this shit up.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        I dunno boredom?

      • DCGoth

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        Not really bored. I can’t wait to head north of the border, but that’s for another day.

        If I was bored, I’d be on GameFAQS, reading posts there. There really isn’t anything down here that would kill the boredom. There is only so much Q crap one can assimilate in any twenty-four hour period of time.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • DCGoth

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        So no, I never lived there but yes I can read and do try to pay attention.

        True; however, based upon your assessment that I lack some knowledge of CIS countries, based upon the few times I’ve actually been there, then with your premise, imagining a place and experiencing are two different things.

        This is probably best seen using Israel as an example. Peace doesn’t sell very well, so how often does Israel pop up into your screen unless something is being blown up, or there’s a riot. People would probably tune out if they showed four people buying lunch at a Subway.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • Kermit56

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        You are welcome to leave. In fact, encouraged to leave.

    • Col. Klink

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      While I actually agree with some of what you’re saying, I’d prefer to wait and see what the actual stimulus process ends up being before going off the deep end …

      • jbear

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        That’s kind of my point. I know that reasonable Democrats would agree with the idea that stimulus should go to those who actually need it. I’m pointing out that only the GOP shit show is making that very reasonable point. Why is that?

    • Roy

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      Stimulus isn’t just a bail out of low income. Its supposed to stimulate the economy. Hence the term “stimulus”. But my family falls in that category between 100 and 150 so I won’t protest if we get stimulus money.

      JBear I realize that you are concerned about the deficit, so I am sure you are glad to see Trump out of there.

      From ProPublica: One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt.

      The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. Thanks, Donald, for putting 23K onto the debt in my name to give the rich a break. Fabulous. And yet Joe Schmoe Redneck in Arkansas thinks you are God.

      So unfortunately they are going to have to raise those taxes on the rich again. Although I know some people don’t want big government, that’s what we have had since the New Deal. But you know those rich people will do pretty well anyway because they don’t live in a shithole country, and these businesses are able to exist in a country with good health care, school systems, universities and infrastructure. So Biden has a tough road to fix the mess left by the previous administration while digging out from the Pandemic. Good luck to him.

      • jbear

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        JBear I realize that you are concerned about the deficit, so I am sure you are glad to see Trump out of there.

        That’s really funny. Are you saying this administration will be better for the deficit? I really do hope so but I wonder if that happens if you will give credit where it will invariably be due…. The GOP shit show. Because that’s the only thing keeping this administration from nuking the deficit.

        I know your rebuttal because Fire says it all the time… “But Joe is a moderate” Well, even if you’d try to make the case that Joe left to his own devices would somehow spend less money than Trump even with his GND light and never ending stimulus etc, It’s not a reasonable argument to pretend the rest of the Democratic party doesn’t exist because you have a radical left wing, some of which doesn’t believe in economics (MMT) even though she supposedly has a degree in economics. (AOC) She’s not the only one either.

    • Roy

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      So the rich have had their stimulus for the last four years. Now the little guy wants a bit of stimulus. Please sir may I have some more? More???????

      oliver

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear is a shit show. Full tilt.

      The GOP proposal squeezes out the middle class. The same middle class that runs the economy.

      I 100% disagree with the GOP proposal but I don’t disagree with some form of a phase out… but squeezing the middle class is what always happens.

      Jbear, being the shit show that he is, is suddenly worried about the debt/deficit again.

      Wow! I am shocked!

      Elections have consequences

      • jbear

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        LOL

        I’m full tilt? Ignore the racist and intolerant hate spewing from DC and take it out on me. I’m so surprised.

        And I’ve been worried about the deficit for most of my adult life which you know. You also know that I was against Trump’s healthcare overhaul because wasn’t fiscally responsible enough. I sided with the handful of deficit hawks in the Republican party who did not let that get passed.

      • DCGoth

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        Ignore the racist and intolerant hate spewing from DC

        Racist? Where? Never have I made a racist statement. Show me one.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        Very few people live in flyover country. That is why it’s flyover country. It’s just land stolen from the rightful owners by a bunch of pasty white folk could play cowboy, while forcing them into reservations. Fuck this country.

        Can only imagine Fire getting knocked over backwards if he heard a white person compliment another white person on their straight hair and fair skin. You guys are such hypocrites you actually probably don’t recognize your own bigotry.

      • DCGoth

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        white person compliment another white person

        Pasty White People? Really? I guess racists get PO’ed when things hit too close to home.

        Also, considering I’ve been in the Goth Scene since before it was even called the Goth Scene, I’m probably pastier than the average pasty white folk.

        I’m sorry, but that doesn’t work. You can’t have both White Privilege, AND be limited to play the Race Card. I’m certain you’ve been oppressed by The Man, and get a little nervous if you see Blue flashing lights behind you on the highway.

        During the World Bank protest, I was able to move freely through stats filled with tear gas and walk right up to the police barricade in front of D.C. Superior Court. Granted, I was key personnel and had to flag my badge once I got to the cars, yet I walked freely up to a police barricade and not a single one drew on me. (We were told to hide our badges in advance, prior to coming into work).

        The GS12s that worked under me, and were a few shades darker weren’t as easy around the police lines. I had to walk out and bring them into work, while first telling the officers that they worked with me, yet at were all DoJ.

        So, I’m sorry. The Black Experience trumps White Privilege. Get back to me when you’ve been oppressed. I’m certain The Man is close by.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        pffft…. that’s it? I’m a racist?

        It’s either out of bounds to choose a physical characteristic of a race of people to make fun of them or it isn’t. This is obvious to any objective person.

        Squinty eyes Chinese jokes are out. Nappy headed little black kid jokes are also taboo.

        This is a symptom of the lefts illness. I think the great civil rights leaders of the past would be aghast at the way the left takes pride in wielding the hammer of racism at the bad guys.

        If you believe in individual liberty as I do, you believe whole heartedly in the right of all human beings regardless of race, sexual preference or appearance to live the life they choose. This doesn’t mean that you can force people to associate. The government, State or Federal, should never make decisions based on race. Government should always be completely colorblind regarding any services provided, job postings, subsidies, college admissions, everything that you can imagine. The breaking down of society into little groups for special treatment is the most destructive thing that has happened to society over the last century.

        I appreciate that some of these injustices were a reaction to state sponsored injustices, where the state discriminated against people based on race or other characteristics. I agree that those things were a terrible injustice but the answer is not to dole out special treatments in a more equitable way. That goes for your pasty white comment just as it does for college admissions and racial quotas.

      • DCGoth

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        pffft…. that’s it? I’m a racist?

        Actually, I only said racist get PO’ed. I never defined that subset. Although, it is noticeable that a vast number of people try to turn too many comments into racist innuendo. Referencing White Peeps as “pasty” is not racist. It’s an observation which generally tends to be accurate. My observation did not reference White people as pasty was not done with use of a derogatory phrase, unless you consider “pasty” derogatory, in which case, that’s a problem I don’t agree with. FWIW, “pasty” is an adjective. In my opinion, most racist labels are nouns. If “pasty” is offensive, you really need a thicker skin. I doubt you Would’ve enjoyed the era when Gen X was more prevalent. I won’t apologise for bruising the egos of Millennial or Gen Z Snowflakes.

        Squinty eyes Chinese jokes are out. Nappy headed little black kid jokes are also taboo.

        You should’ve seen revision commercials in the 60s then. Based upon “millennial rules” you need to immediately start boycotting all makers of cough syrup, as well as laundry detergents, as you would not approve of tier part ad campaigns.

        You also need to boycott CBS. Rod Serling used to embed a Chesterfield cigarette ad in most episodes closing synopsis.

        Like I mentioned, I’m Gen X. We never gave a shit about anything. I’m not going to boycott whomever she fuck it is that makes Aunt Jemima syrup. It was a product. It was not being sold to promote racism. It was a recognised brand. People need to lighten the fuck up.

        Also, should you wish to boycott comedians for their context from the past, you’ll have to go earlier than George Carlin or Richard Prior. (Reference the title of his comedy album from ‘76.) You’ll also have to go earlier than Mel Brooks.

        A good place to start should be to blame it all on Lenny Bruce. While he was also making a political statement, addressing racism, you’ll have to go back to the early sixties.

        Here’s a couple for you to start the outrage, plus this is the latter stuff, considering Lenny Bruce OD’ed in 1970 or 1971.

        Lenny Bruce Short: “Thank you, Masked Man”. The Lone Ranger is gay and Tonto is his sex partner. It parted in theatres prior to The King of Hearts, along with the other short Bambi Meets Godzilla.

        This one’s a bit tougher, yet still not banned. I personally don’t think you should watch any John Waters. It will all be offensive for you.

        Pink Flamingos, 1972, Rated X. Upon its 25th anniversary it released again in ‘97. Unlike most films, this one kept the X, as an NC17. He always films in Baltimore.

        Storyline: Devine, Now deceased 400lb transvestite who would always film with John Waters, plays the matriarch of a family who constantly win the award for Most Disgusting Family of the Year, or something to that effect. One year a couple wants to unseat them. They attempt this by kidnapping teens, addicting them to drugs, while chained in their basement, impersonates them and sells their babies to lesbian couples on the black market. Needless to say, they fail.

        Things that could be considered “disturbing” by some standards. Devine’s son can only have sex while having live chickens in the sex act. The chickens are actually killed on film. (John Waters comment: Roughly “We didn’t do anything that slaughter houses don’t do. We just filmed it. Also, all chickens were served to the crew for lunch “.

        While there is a lot, cut to the final scene. Divine and family are walking down a sidewalk. Background music is “How Much is that Doggy in the Window.” A poodle, being walked, comes on-set and takes a dump at the street corner. Divine then walks to the corner and eats the poodle dropping. This was not a stunt. The camera actually catches Divine experiencing a gag reflex Prior to cut scene.

        So, yeah, I’ll pass on the faux outrage by millennials and Gen Z peeps.

        I don’t expect the world to accommodate my; however, I will also not modify my behaviour to accommodate a world of Snowflakes. I will stay in my Bubble, though.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        Look DC, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I’m offended by almost nothing. I bring up the racism only because of the cultural standards that you point out. You can’t have it both ways and my intent is only to point out the hypocrisy of believing the one and not the other.

        I’m also Gen X but I just caught the tail end. Also, I once dated an insane goth chick with three kids. Mostly we just had lots of rough sex but I once went to a massive Halloween party with the strangest group of people I’ve ever since seen. We also would go over to this very weird older guy’s house who was the manager of a Burger king or something and we’d watch clockwork orange or Labyrinth while smoking massive amounts of pot for hours on end.

        You ever seen Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? It was like that but with a bunch of goth weirdo’s. You do you Goth.

      • DCGoth

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        @JBear,

        Sorry. I’m just reading this one. I hate that they’ve done this to the board.

        At T rate, I’m seeing with you in one part. Nowhere do I say White Peeps can play the race card. Personally, I’m granted leniency due to my “Goth”ness. 😎

        I imagine your evening must’ve been fun. There are some wild peeps in that scene. I’m also not as definitive as days past. I imagine it’s something with messing with eyeliner
        While going beyond sixty. It works fine for Robert Smith and Siouxsie Sioux. I’m just not Robert or Siouxsie, so I must defer. 😎

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • DCGoth

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        Mostly we just had lots of rough sex but I once went to a massive Halloween party with the strangest group of people I’ve ever since seen.



        @JBear
        ,

        Halloween is THEEEEE Holiday, fwiw. (Is still disappoint OT, though, when I fail to worship the Dark Prince. 😎 sorry, I just can’t convince myself to believe in a Satan figure, even if it does contradict OT’s belief that we all worship Satan while washing down the baby bits. I just can’t buy into that, even while joking.) 😃

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      • jbear

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        For the record I gave you an upvote. I can appreciate when someone is trying to be decent even when we don’t see eye to eye.

        It was about a month or so that I was hanging with those people. It wasn’t really my cup of tea but they were all really nice. It was an experience. I wouldn’t trade it away. I learned something about people. Probably gained some acceptance of others.

      • DCGoth

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        One more reference I forgot. Have you ever listened to any of the songs from the original stage play of Hair?

        I suggest you spend an hour and listen to the album. By today’s standards, you will find most of the songs offensive; however, this is because you works actually have to live during that era in order to understand the true satire, along with a deeper meaning, that is implied with each song, as well as the stage performance. (Late 60s, where the party sent stage actors into the audience, plus it has full frontal nudity in some scenes.)

        Should you actually listen, you may explain to me what is or isn’t offensive and why.

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      • DCGoth

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        FWIW, the rest of your comment was decent, minus the calling me a racist part.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • BucBit2

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      Your saying you don’t need the dough so you’d just waste it on shit. That’s the point dummy. It’s the restaurant your talking about that needs the sales.

      It’s our dough too. They are just giving it back

    • FireLicht2020

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      I’m saying the middle class spends their stimulus so it STIMULATES the economy.

      No need to squeeze the folks that would help the economy the most.

      Plus plenty of middle class income earners are still struggling. $150k combined income isn’t as much as you think.

      • jbear

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        A good chunk of the middle class will dump this stimulus into the stock market as you are fond of pretending you don’t understand.

    • Col. Klink

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      That’s kind of my point. I know that reasonable Democrats would agree with the idea that stimulus should go to those who actually need it. I’m pointing out that only the GOP shit show is making that very reasonable point. Why is that?

      It’s not only the GOP “shit show” making points. There are some bipartisan efforts that we’ll just have to see if they help things at all when everything shakes out…… and the GOP will be a shit show as long as they don’t fully disassociate with the biggest turd of them all and take it back.

    • FireLicht2020

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      The COL argument

      I anticipate this strong, articulate, and intelligent woman will trigger you to instantly dismiss the argument…

      But the reality is, a 50k threshold doesn’t make sense.

      • jbear

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        Oh yes she’s really something.

        https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ommt-modern-monetary-theory-how-pay-for-policies-2019-1

        She said she was open to Modern Monetary Theory, a burgeoning theory among some economists positing that the federal debt is not an economic restraint for the US. She said the idea, which holds that the government doesn’t need to balance the budget and that budget surpluses actually hurt the economy, “absolutely” needed to be “a larger part of our conversation.”

        I cannot stress how dangerous these ideas are. She’s talking about a state so large that it encompasses the entire economy. That government spending through government jobs and projects can stimulate the economy to infinity and with no reprecussions.

        Can’t you see how scary this is? She’s talking about a surplus being a bad thing. Because the entire discussion once flipped on it’s head the way she wants is over. It’s over! The whole discussion will always and foreever be a ramping up of spending, governement jobs, projects and initiatives. The only way to fix things will always be for the governement to spend more money. This is sick.

    • spartan

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      Not sure if I follow the logic here to be honest.

      The Democrats are either:

      A. Giving money to people who don’t really need it so they can go out and spend it on stuff they don’t really need. Sounds a bit like trickle down economics to me which we are constantly told doesn’t work.

      B. Giving money to people who do really need it in which case it’s not stimulus as they will be spending it to pay the mortgage and put food on the table.

      So to summarize, either they are giving a bunch of money to a whole bunch of rich people, or it’s not stimulus. Personally I think we should just help those folks who are financially struggling in which case it should be more targeted.

    • BucBit2

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      You got a damn dude who sounds like he hates Biden saying that dumping stimulus into stocks would be bad? For 3 years Trumpys said the growing stock market was proof of a good economy. Da fuk?

      Just stupid angry maybe.

      • jbear

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        I’m saying that because I’m talking to Fire. The guy who once said a tax cut is corporate welfare and has parroted AOC/Bernie Bros anti capitalist talking points all why he invests all his money in the stock market.

    • BucBit2

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      Helping folks who are struggling is aid

      Giving people money to spend is stimulus

      One is a damn net the other is gasoline.

      Neither is trickle down

    • Roy

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      Spartan, you think making $70K is rich?

      • spartan

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        Not at all. But I also don’t think that 150k is a “low salary” and essentially say that if you only earn that much you are a waste of space loser.

      • DCGoth

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        $150K, for most families in most places is not a decent salary. The mortgage on my 600 sqft condo was $2,000, plus condo fees, and I wasn’t in one of the new buildings that were listing for $600k.

        A family of any size, over one, can’t really call 600 sqft a liveable space, unless that space is in Tokyo.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • FireLicht2020

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      The tilt is real…

      If the middle class dumps it into the stock market (debatable but probably some truth) that gives companies access to capital which is good during a pandemic economy.

      Further, $50k in buttfuck nowhere Kansas isn’t the same as NYC.

      Hmmm, I wonder if Republicans want a cap because the COL is typically higher in democratic districts? 🤔

      Nah, it must be the altruism again! Just like your selective libertarianism and fiscal responsibility?

      • spartan

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        Conceptually I would typically agree with your principle here. That being if you buy stock and invest in companies your provide them with liquidity to invest internally and grow.

        However these aren’t typical times. With all the restrictions its nigh on impossible to invest in much at all. Most companies not name Amazon are just hanging in there waiting for the storm to blow over. That’s when STIMULUS would be effective. Right now I think it should all be about helping those folks who are earning less, or nothing at all so they can put food on the table and keep a roof over their head until all the restrictions, lockdowns and treading water is rescinding.

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        This make zero sense:

        “Most companies not name Amazon are just hanging in there waiting for the storm to blow over. That’s when STIMULUS would be effective. “

        Stimulus is to help the storm blow over, not a reward for making it lol

        Also, most of your ilk said not a word about a Trump tax cut (spending) when it was not needed (growing economy), so political duplicity is still flav of the day

      • jbear

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        LOL Most of your ilk stared straight ahead in dumb silence while Nancy held up stimulus until after the election.

        As for the Tax cut… I know you won’t understand this because Fire never can get his head around this either but if you’re a fiscal conservative you are always for cutting taxes. It makes no difference if the budget is balanced because it puts presure on spending which is the holy grail of being a fiscal conservative in the first place. It’s the exact same reason I tell everyone who comes to me and says they don’t really need the stimulus, that the money is better in their hands than it is in the government’s hands.

        I’m not for stimulus in principle because it sets a bad precedent which is unfortunately already well established. But as for giving people the government’s loot… sign me up. I’d be more for it if fiscal conservatives had a chance in hell of holding up the tax increases that will inevitably come to pay for all this.

        At the end of the day this reckless spending will result in some huge tax hike that will subsequently be the excuse for another round of ramping up even more federal spending so there’s that too. It’s hard to be much more than ambivalent about the whole thing as no matter which way I look at it, it will eventually end up being bad for fiscal hawks like me.

      • spartan

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        Horses for courses. As I said previously normally I agree with the policy. But the biggest thing holding people back right now IMO is State and Local Govt. Until they get out of lockdown and shut everything down mode you can provide all the “stimulus” you want, it’s going nowhere. Take California. They are on a stay at home order. What they going to do with their checks? Build an extension? Restaurants and businesses are all closed. The only thing they can spend their stimulus on is Amazon or put it in the bank. How’s that going to help?

        I say, keep your powder dry, feed the lost and lonely and let it loose when it will be useful.

    • FireLicht2020

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      I’m fully employed and do not need the money to survive. If I get the money I’ll buy something or do a remodel.

      That would more than likely help a small business, no?

      And again, 50k is NOTHING if you live in SF, NY, etc… basically any place with a ton of democratic votes… odd?

      • jbear

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        Here’s something obvious that you always refuse to acknowledge. All those places you mention have something in common and it’s that they have HUGE state or federal bureaucratic infrastructure that supports all that inflationary pressure on anything having to do with the cost of living. Sure there are some other factors, silicon valley, Hollywood, Wall street, Broadway etc but dangit if the biggest factor isn’t this massive governemnt infrastucture.

        It’s a self perpetuating cycle because who has the power to pay for anything no matter the economic factors? Government. State or Federal, the bigger the better. The cost of living goes up…. no biggie we’ll just raise taxes and pay all the Government contractors more. Need to stimulate the economy, hire more IRS telephone operators to transfer calls to each other all day long.

        Maybe this is really the oddity, not the fact that the people who live in these places with huge all encompassing bureaucracies are being left out because they’re democrats but that they support this huge bureaucracy and vote Democrat.

      • spartan

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        What you going to remodel with 1k?

      • FireLicht2020

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        I have a contractor that let’s me do the simple time intensive parts to save money.

        Did 2 bathrooms for 4k.

        I’m married with kids so I get more than $1k.

        Honestly tho… I’d use it to pay taxes

    • BucBit2

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      Y’all up in arms about Kushner getting PPP?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear – fiscal conservatives are about a balanced budget. Certainly not about “always less taxes”.

      That is fucking stoooooopid.

      You can’t balance the budget on good intentions.

      • jbear

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        You have a hard time with this I know. Fiscal conservatives like me, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Mike Lee, Thomas Massie, want the Federal government to be about one one hundedth of the size it is. You get proposals from people like this to get rid of the department of education, the EPA and many others. They would cut the military, foriegn aid, all kinds of things the federal government does currently and shouldn’t be doing on the level they are.

        How are you going to get there? How are you even going to move in that direction when the overwhelming impulse from the congress and most of the populace, is to spend whatever funds they have at their disposal. A balanced budget is just a step in curtailing spending but the overarching goal is to cut spending. Even if you can convince the spenders in congress to finally balance a budget, it would only be a first step because we are spending way too much as it is.

        I truly hope that helps.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Lol. One of those people mentioned is not like the others…

        Tax cuts, especially the Trump tax cuts, are not fiscal conservatism.

        It was a wealth transfer. More opportunity for wealthy people to bank and compound.

        I know this is hard for you but go take accounting 101

        Credits and debits

        Where does revenue come from? It comes from taxation.

        Creating a wildly unnecessary tax cut, just like Bush did during an uptrend economy, overlooks everything. It essentially ensures a crash comes… gains come too fast and easy. Thus a bubble.

        That’s why covid hit so hard and why the next pullback will too.

        You really need to know what the fuck you’re talking about from a macro economic level before you spout out your libertarian utopianism where we fund the government with good intention.

      • jbear

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        Sheesh fire…. And you think I don’t understand economics?

        Look, if you’re going to pretend paying less taxes is such a danger to the economy then how in the hell are you going to explain away fiscal stimulus which has 1000 times more impact on creating an economic bubble than some guy… or God forbid, a corporation (gasps) paying less taxes than they used to. QE has essentially never stopped since the last financial crisis.

        So in your Universe the Bush tax cut caused the 08′ financial crisis? Not all the other manipulations of the economy? Your actual argument is that since we have heavy tax rates and people and corporations are used to paying them, taking less of their money may cause a catastrophic economic catastrophe? That’s really convenient I really have to give you credit for the human pretzel you’ve twisted yourself into.

        Look I understand you got that from your sources. I know that there are smart socialist economists (an oxymoron if ever there was) who are pushing this narrative. If we’re being honest, a tax cut certainly does have an effect on the economy but I’m surprised to have a liberal admit it because we usually hear a different argument when tax cuts are proposed to stimulate the economy.

        And also, you repeatedly confuse me for a person who thinks we currently have a free market economy. I actually think we agree on this….we do not.

        Tax cuts, fiscal stimulus, checks sent to every American heck even the more covert, loosening of credit through kind hearted leftist legislation, like the Community Reinvestment Act all lead to bubbles. The more we try to help the more we hurt.

    • Roy

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      If this goes through we’re paying off the balance of the loan for the air conditioner. So the new yacht will have to wait for the next time.

    • FireLicht2020

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      How dare you pay off debt!

      This is a nation built on debt. We owe it to our overlords to pay that interest!

      Socialist scum

      • DCGoth

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        Great post. I needed a laugh about now.

        FWIW, with the new methods of buying stock shares, I wonder if we can buy $1,400 of Berkshire-Hathaway? (BRK-A) 😎

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • Anonymous

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      again, zero sense

      “They are on a stay at home order. What they going to do with their checks? Build an extension? Restaurants and businesses are all closed. The only thing they can spend their stimulus on is Amazon or put it in the bank. How’s that going to help?”

      I think everyone agrees with targeting funds generally, but this ^^ is so nonsensical as written that its almost NOT English because its literally:

      “dont give stimulus now because no one will do anything with the money BUT BUY THINGS”

      and, of course, Amazon is NOT the only thing they can spend on lol

      This is the kind of shit you’re forced to type because you’re committed to your position for other reasons

      Spartan and JBear — where are you two complaining about the Trump tax cut ie GOVERNMENT MONEY “spent” to stimulate an economy WHEN THE CONOMY WAS ALREADY GROWING?

      • spartan

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        I can only assume hyperbole is not in your vocabulary.

        My position is that I have no problem with giving money to people who NEED IT. But I don’t think now is the right time for “stimulus”. I was of the same opinion in December as well for the record.

        You can’t spend “stimulus” in restaurants and stores that aren’t open. You can’t spend “stimulus” on services when people aren’t allowed to come to your house. So, by and large the only place you can spend it in many places is online. Get the Amazon reference now?

        First time round I was OK with it because we were only supposed to be on lock down for a few weeks. A year later …..

        For me, this isn’t about party politics simply a case of doing what’s needed at the right time. Otherwise you end up spending a shit load of money and getting no return.

    • FireLicht2020

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      The death of the libertarian platform

    • Biggs3535

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      Thanks DC. You sound like about as wonderful a person as I would expect an overt liberal to be.

      Truth. What a miserable cunt nugget.

      • DCGoth

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        Truth. What a miserable cunt nugget

        Well, that’s a new one. I’m sorry, but you can’t insult someone by calling them something that sounds like it belongs on a fast food menu.

        Would they come with Ketchup, or would there be dipping sauces? 😂

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • jbear

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        Not surprised that you’d eat a cunt nugget. Enjoy DC.

      • DCGoth

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        Not surprised that you’d eat a cunt nugget. Enjoy DC.

        Well, one must consider the fact that there are a number of tangible considerations. Example: From who’s orifice did said nugget originally emerge. We can’t just knock a potentially decent nugget without doing a little research and QC first. 😎

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      DCGoff,

      No thank you for your service.

      You served in vain.

      The “Andrew McCabe” name is looking like a perfect fit.

      • DCGoth

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        DCGoff,

        No thank you for your service.

        Trust me. The last thing on my mind when joining the Army was the desire for anyone to thank me. I’d spent most of the Vietnam War protesting at the Capitol and the WH.

        I’m guessing you couldn’t get in, or did the ASVABs limit you to being an 11 Bravo? (Should you not know what the ASVABs are, I’ll go ahead and make that 11 Bravo assumption. 😎)

        You served in vain.

        No, actually I did it so I could pay for college. Serving the country want even on the list of considerations.

        I did get some extra benefits, though. I was paid to sit at a desk for over a year to learn Russian, plus I now get to have USAA, cheap beer at the AL, and a military discount, both on my mobile bill, as well as discount weed and medical visits for the dispensaries.

        Oh, also, depending on the location, some places give me discounts on firearms and range time. Sadly, no discount for my CCW Permit.

        (Hopefully you didn’t do the 11 Bravo route. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to be next to you on a range if you had a box of 5.56 rounds. Auto has a way of taking things over when you’re not expecting it.) 😂

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        Another douche nozzle comment from the board’s resident sister fucking trailer dweller.

        When and what branch did you serve in, KKKron?

      • jbear

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        Horay! DH is here to rail against DC’s racist and insensitive rants about all the dumb ass pasty white’s in all the shithole flyover states!

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        Nah. I’ll take a page out of your GOP…err…Libertarian playbook and chalk it up as entertainment, comedy, tomfoolery, or whatever pass you come up with.

        Oh wait. Was he being serious?

      • DCGoth

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        @DH,

        Sometimes, like spelling out my teen years are accurate. Other times, like blowing shit at OT just needs to be done at times.

        On the seriousness of replies, if someone gives me a decent response, I do my best to respond in kind. (This is what led to my posting of Landover Baptist posts on OT’s thread. I simply did what he does. I linked a number of articles, all having no value outside of being Parody. The Parody, for me, outside of the humour in the articles, is my way of referencing that OT seems to get all of his supporting data from rumble.com.

        I swear, at times, the lunacy the OT brings is always a bunch of posts just showing an article link, followed by some rhetoric of some kind or another. This is then always followed up by the proclamation that we are all Satan-Worshiping Baby Eaters. I hate to burst his bubble, but I don’t believe in Satan, pretty certain I never entered into a blood pact with any deities of the underworld, and that would encompass all known inhabitants of said underworld, along with it’s most famous of the circle, addressing the biggest religions.

        I just can’t take OT seriously. It would be like me referencing The Onion every time I want to refute his Q blurbs.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • FireLicht2020

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      The case for criminal charges grows stronger and stronger.

      Can’t wait to watch your messiah crash and burn.

      Senate can only protect him from impeachment. Bunch of shit stain traitors.

      • jbear

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        Jesus Fire how about you start a thread cause this one’s full of enough off topic information about DC’s childhood.

        Seriously… do you mind?

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Lol.

      The hypocrisy from the posters on here acting as if they’re not cucks to the 2-party system is absolutely delivering in this thread.

      Good stuff, gents.

      Keep it going!

      • jbear

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        Ok DH you’re right. I never congratulated you for voting Libertarian in the last election. Congrats on standing up to the two party system.

        Give me a call when you get to three and we can talk about it.

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        Nah.

        I think we both know it’s be a colossal waste of each other’s time.

        And, rude of me to not reciprocate a congratulatory nod to your Trump vote.

        My sincerest apologies, sir.

      • jbear

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        Nice…. correct me if I’m wrong. You and I both have one vote for Donald J. Balls Trump for President?

        Am I missing something?

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        Yes we do.

        Correct me if I’m wrong. I cast mine back in 2016 before I knew the colossal shit show he would soon become.

        You cast yours after the fact.

        Am I missing something?

      • jbear

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        Are you saying you didn’t know the Donald was a dickhead in 2016?

        You really want to go down that road?

        I didn’t vote for Donald after the Capital riot. I voted for him after 4 years of the left smearing poop in everyone’s faces and attacking everything… even the good shit on the grounds that the Orange man looked at it or could somehow benefit from getting credit. The nastyness, the partisanship. Labeling everything and everyone a racist. Defending left wing protesters, wishing death on a sitting President, ripping up the speech…

        I assume that you had a reason for voting for an obvious dickhead and crook back in 2016 too.

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        Yeah. I’ll go down that road, buddy.

        I knew he was a dickhead. Yet, I wanted something different. I wanted a shakeup to the system.

        Alas, I didn’t realize he’d turn out to be an utter joke and complete failure.

        And, I sure as hell didn’t think he’d openly embrace a freaking group of batshit crazy, basement-dwelling involuntary incel cucks and then essentially encourage them to storm a government building.

        I didn’t think he’d try to invalidate millions of voter’s voices. I didn’t think he’d push his bullshit delusional version of reality upon an entire nation.

        So, that’s why I voted Jorgensen. Closer to my beliefs and convictions.

        You, on the other hand…well…we already know.

      • jbear

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        Hey DH,

        I voted for Trump on November 3, 2020. Having a hard time getting my head around what an asshole I am for voting for a guy because of a bunch of shit that happened after we voted.

        Look you’re an adult so if that’s where you want to go…

        I could go in several directions here….. You’re vote in 2016 actually helped put him in office where all this horrible stuff came about… because you voted for him.

        I on the other hand voted for Gary Johnson, therefore I am blameless in any of it.

        Wasn’t the racist birther conspiracy incident before 2016? So DH, knowing full well that Donald Trump was an overt racist, willfully helped put him in power with his vote in the 2016 Presidential Election.

        I don’t know if I could live with myself if I were you.

        But I’m not like that DH. I believe in forgiveness. You voted for Trump, I voted for Trump… That’s what happens when free people live in a democracy. They vote their conscience and they don’t get singled out for a visit from the gestapo because of their vote.

        You can think whatever you want DH but it saddens me if we are really to the point that a reasonable person like yourself can’t see how wrong you are in this particular instance. Doesn’t mean I was right to vote for Trump it just means it was my right just as much as it was yours in 2016. WE have to stop insisting that everyone think the same way we do in every situation. Just a few decades ago we used to be like that.

        So why don’t you, get down off that horse, and come over here for a great big bear hug and cold one. Not being a fascist in these times is hard work so you earned it.

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        If I get off my horse, are you going to stay on yours?

        But, I digress. You offered beer.

        Bring it in, buddy. Hugs.

      • jbear

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        @DH You always go for the beer. ;)

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        Guilty.

      • DCGoth

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        willfully helped put him in power with his vote in the 2016 Presidential Election.

        Well, to be fair, it really mattered where the vote was cast. Unless it was in one of the States that mattered, people in most states are just voting on ballot issues. Those states, Red or Blue, are pretty much a given in the states that are called the minute the polls close. 😃

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • Anonymous

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      A 2016 vote for Trump is a vote for change and and a relatively unknown “outsider” ie never been in office

      A 2020 vote for Trump is a fully-informed vote for racism, fascism and criminality without consequences

      A 2020 vote for Trump because Biden is a “socialist” is a dumb excuse likely more connected to embarrassment than reality.

      :-)

      • jbear

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        The fact you people actually believe that we live in a free country, a representation of Democracy to be held up as a shining light to the world as to the possibilities for free peoples to self govern and still think my vote for whichever candidate I choose somehow invalidates me as a person is fucking ridiculous.

        How did we get so far when you’re all still convinced we haven’t moved? You claim to believe in Democracy but it looks a lot more like Fascism to me.

        Why can’t you guys see what you’re doing?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Lmfao, jbear getting everything he deserves from DH.

      He even speaks like chron now…

      🤡

      • jbear

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        Lol You don’t even pretend to be reasonable anymore do you? I was getting tired of that anyway.

        DH is getting exactly what he asked for. He’s reasonable enough of a person that he already knows I’m right and it’s just a matter of time. You, being a closed minded psychopath on the other hand have no idea what DH and I are even talking about. So twisted with hate that you see other human beings as animals and all over politics.

        I acknowledge that you are human in fact I’m appealing to your humanity to try to bring you back. It’s turning into a lynch mob out there.

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        DH is getting exactly what he asked for. He’s reasonable enough of a person that he already knows I’m right and it’s just a matter of time.

        Lol.

        That’s a good one.

    • Col. Klink

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      Jesus fucking Christ …. can the timeline on these threads be any more fucked up.

      • DCGoth

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        I’ve kind of figured it out. Replies are placed directly under the referencing topic. So now, they’re trying to play Reddit. 😎

        The biggest drawbacks of that they’ve taken away quotes, assumed that we WANT this clusterfuck of posts that no longer go in a chronological order.

        We also don’t get to see which threads we have posts in, or if there’s been a reply to the thread.

        Also, threads are Now all just one page. I will reiterate that I will gladly go back to the pay model, if it means better support of the BBS.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • Roy

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      Yes don’t hit “reply” unless its the last post on the thread. Better to just go to the bottom and type there.

    • DCGoth

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      Yes don’t hit “reply” unless its the last post on the thread. Better to just go to the bottom and type there.

      @Roy

      True. I’ve been copying out text and using the BlockQuote BBCode to refer somewhat back to the post.

      It took me a while to realise that we have to completely re-learn to get around their destruction of the board.

      I still miss the paid model, and whomever it was that managed the board Prior to the lame contractor they’re using now.

      I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


       

    • FireLicht2020

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      This thread is impossible to follow.

      This site is such a fucking joke. Which makes me a clown for using it.

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