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    • spartan

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      Doh! That douche bag moron Trump was apparently correct again!!

      https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.html

      Andrew Mark Miller
      Wed, June 9, 2021, 5:03 PM·3 min read

      Donald Trump

      A new study shows that the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine touted by former President Donald Trump increased the survival rate of severely ill coronavirus patients.

      The observational study, published by medRxiv, found that antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, along with zinc, could

      increase the coronavirus survival rate by as much as nearly 200%

      if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.

      “We found that when the cumulative doses of two drugs, HCQ and AZM, were above a certain level, patients had a survival rate 2.9 times the other patients,” the study’s conclusion states.

      The study adds, “By using causal analysis and considering of weight-adjusted cumulative dose, we prove the combined therapy, >3 g HCQ and > 1g AZM greatly increases survival in Covid patients on IMV and that HCQ cumulative dose > 80 mg/kg works substantially better. These data do not yet apply to hospitalized patients not on IMV. Since those with higher doses of HCQ had higher doses of AZM, we cannot solely attribute the causal effect to HCQ/AZM combination therapy. However, it is likely AZM does contribute significantly to this increase in survival rate. Since higher dose HCQ/AZM therapy improves survival by nearly 200% in this population, the safety data are moot.”

      The study was conducted by Saint Barnabas Medical Center in New Jersey on 255 patients.

      Dating back to last spring, then-president Trump openly touted the effectiveness of the drug and even took it himself. It earned him pushback from medical experts, including his own White House coronavirus team member Dr. Anthony Fauci, and political pundits who dismissed his claims and maintained the drug was ineffective.

      Last summer, Twitter restricted the account of Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., after he posted a video of doctors touting the effectiveness of the drug. The social media platform accused him of “spreading misleading and potentially harmful misinformation” related to the coronavirus.

      In March of this year, the World Health Organization warned against using the drug to prevent the coronavirus, citing data suggesting it was ineffective.

      Some conservatives have taken to social media and used the study to defend Trump, including Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who called out Fauci for his previous comments about the drug.

      “How many people died bc Dr. Fauci said trust the science and Hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective?” Greene tweeted. “New study shows: Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin therapy at a higher dose improved survival by nearly 200% in ventilated COVID patients. Trump was right.”

      Several other studies released since last year have come to the same conclusion

      that hydroxychloroquine can be effective in certain situations against the coronavirus, including a December study from the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents showing 84% fewer hospitalizations among patients treated with the drug.

      Another study, conducted by Hackensack Meridian Health, found encouraging results in patients with mild symptoms who were treated with the drug.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Hilarious because all the Trumpers are pumping this story, proving the existence of the cocoon

      Trump on a rewrite history tour and Spartan Runole and Kermit all parrot



      @Spartan
      – you can find in Runole thread why that report is ridiculous

      Cocoon in action!

    • FireLicht2020

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      Lol!

    • ISLAND BUCS

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      Remain intimately at the heart of experience.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Bwuahahaha the coward is back! Waiting in his hole to spring up with some news!

        Good to have you back friend… have you sufficiently licked your wounds yet?

        Is Trump president yet? Did hydro save the world?

    • Coffeeisland

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      Those two disgusting political hacks don’t care what your doctors have to say about it.

      While it is fun sometimes to lurk and watch them act like fools, believing facts will change their mind is like believing you can turn a rock into a cheese burger.

      Chronic has it right. Give them no respect, treat them like the asses they are, trigger them and then do it all over again

      • FireLicht2020

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        “Those two hacks”

        “Chron has it right”

        “I know 3 people that…”

        God dammit I love you guys!

        Echo echo echo

    • KarmaPolice

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      Those two disgusting political hacks don’t care what your doctors have to say about it.

      While it is fun sometimes to lurk and watch them act like fools, believing facts will change their mind is like believing you can turn a rock into a cheese burger.

      Chronic has it right. Give them no respect, treat them like the asses they are, trigger them and then do it all over again

      Andy Ngo says hi

      Lmao

      And you’re quoting IB …, bwahaha

    • Coffeeisland

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      Those two disgusting political hacks don’t care what your doctors have to say about it.

      While it is fun sometimes to lurk and watch them act like fools, believing facts will change their mind is like believing you can turn a rock into a cheese burger.

      Chronic has it right. Give them no respect, treat them like the asses they are, trigger them and then do it all over again

      Andy Ngo says hi

      Lmao

      And you’re quoting IB …, bwahaha

      This from the douche defending reports because they “made a mistake” by claiming Trump ordered the gassing of people.

      LMAO

      BTW, we are all still waiting to hear what Ngo got wrong about the Portland shooting

    • KarmaPolice

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      Those two disgusting political hacks don’t care what your doctors have to say about it.

      While it is fun sometimes to lurk and watch them act like fools, believing facts will change their mind is like believing you can turn a rock into a cheese burger.

      Chronic has it right. Give them no respect, treat them like the asses they are, trigger them and then do it all over again

      Andy Ngo says hi

      Lmao

      And you’re quoting IB …, bwahaha

      This from the douche defending reports because they “made a mistake” by claiming Trump ordered the gassing of people.

      LMAO

      BTW, we are all still waiting to hear what Ngo got wrong about the Portland shooting

      Andy Ngo – No we are not. You probably are.

      You guys all deny the existence of the cocoon … but here we are with Spartan, Kermit, Runole, IB (lol) and you … all responding to the same article, talked about on FauxNews…. all part of the pathetic Trump rehab tour

      Lol. You guys are cult foot soldiers

      Your problem (hopefully) is most others are not.

    • Coffeeisland

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      Those two disgusting political hacks don’t care what your doctors have to say about it.

      While it is fun sometimes to lurk and watch them act like fools, believing facts will change their mind is like believing you can turn a rock into a cheese burger.

      Chronic has it right. Give them no respect, treat them like the asses they are, trigger them and then do it all over again

      Andy Ngo says hi

      Lmao

      And you’re quoting IB …, bwahaha

      This from the douche defending reports because they “made a mistake” by claiming Trump ordered the gassing of people.

      LMAO

      BTW, we are all still waiting to hear what Ngo got wrong about the Portland shooting

      Andy Ngo – No we are not. You probably are.

      You guys all deny the existence of the cocoon … but here we are with Spartan, Kermit, Runole, IB (lol) and you … all responding to the same article, talked about on FauxNews…. all part of the pathetic Trump rehab tour

      Lol. You guys are cult foot soldiers

      Your problem (hopefully) is most others are not.

      Please enlighten us. What did Ngo get wrong about the Portland shooting?

      What did Ngo supposedly do that changed anything about what happened?…ANYTHING? How is what he did indefensible compared to you defending reports of “Trump ordered the gassing of Americans” as a “mistake”?

      A mistake!!?? LMFAO

      And we’re the ones in a cocoon!? LMFAO

    • Coffeeisland

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      My bad for calling you a douche. You have not yet scaled the wall high enough to deserve that title…maybe a Dollar Store douche?? But more like just straight up bottle of vinegar.

    • KarmaPolice

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      My bad for calling you a douche. You have not yet scaled the wall high enough to deserve that title…maybe a Dollar Store douche?? But more like just straight up bottle of vinegar.

      Oooh. Good one Java!

      Yes you’re all in the cocoon, you’re all responding in lock step

      And you, specifically, defending Andy Ngo … how about that Rudy/Ukraine prosecutor story???

      Here’s the point: do any of you ever check yourselves against actual reality? In other words, normal human nature is to distrust sources that repeatedly put egg on your face

    • Coffeeisland

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      Reality? LOL

      Your reality:
      HCQ is harmful…even though it’s been safe and effective FOR DECADES

      Trump is a racist because:
      He said SOME of the border crossers were criminals…context ignored
      He said good people on both sides when referencing people not wanting statues torn down…context ignored
      He said MS13 gang members are animals…context ignored

      Voter ID laws are racist because minorities just can’t figure out how to get an ID…lmao, who is racist?

      Summer of 2020 were all peaceful protests. It’s a myth that property was destroyed and people got hurt.

      Trump was responsible for “the insurrection” because he challenges the election results. I haven’t seen you mention the Arizona audit. I assume you don’t think it’s newsworthy because…well, just because. I’m quite certain you have no interest in waiting for results before forming your opinion.

      Maxine Waters has never called for violence? That could not have been her on video.

      Mueller time
      Russia, Russia, Russia
      Adam Schiff has the evidence

      Uncle Joe is not racist…even though he called “negro children cockroaches”
      Uncle Joe is not racist…even though he said the schools and neighborhoods would become jungles
      Crime Bill

      Omar is not anti Semitic

      Trump’s economic gains were because of Obama’s policies…even though Trump cut taxes and costly regulations…made America energy independent…was tough on trade…How have Biden’s economic maneuvers impacted the economy?

      Trumpets are conspiracy theorists for saying the Wuhan lab had anything to do with The Rona…we don’t have enough ventilators! I SAID, WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH VENTILATORS!!…Trump told people to inject bleach…context again…stopping travel from China is xenophobic.

      On and on and on we could go.

      Reality!? STFU

      Now I’m going to go put some cheese and ketchup on a rock and have an early lunch

    • KarmaPolice

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      Chronic has it right

      😂

      Didn’t think that one through

    • FireLicht2020

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      This thread delivers.

      It’s amazing how Fox just picks a theme and you all flock back here like a bunch of pigeons to a crashed bread truck…

      Election stolen… yeah yeah election stolen!

      Border crisis… yeah yeah border crisis!

      Hunter Biden… yeah yeah Hunter Biden!

      Hydro is a miracle drug… yeah yeah hydro!

      Portland is on fire… yeah yeah fire!

      Jan 6th was nothing… yeah yeah nothing!

      Woke culture… yeah yeah woke culture!

      Socialism is around the corner… yeah yeah socialism!

      George Floyd is being worshiped… yeah yeah worshiped!

      Biden slipped he’s sleepy… yeah yeah sleepy!

      The best is yet to come… yeah yeah the best is yet to come!

    • KarmaPolice

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      This thread delivers.

      It’s amazing how Fox just picks a theme and you all flock back here like a bunch of pigeons to a crashed bread truck…

      Election stolen… yeah yeah election stolen!

      Border crisis… yeah yeah border crisis!

      Hunter Biden… yeah yeah Hunter Biden!

      Hydro is a miracle drug… yeah yeah hydro!

      Portland is on fire… yeah yeah fire!

      Jan 6th was nothing… yeah yeah nothing!

      Woke culture… yeah yeah woke culture!

      Socialism is around the corner… yeah yeah socialism!

      George Floyd is being worshiped… yeah yeah worshiped!

      Biden slipped he’s sleepy… yeah yeah sleepy!

      The best is yet to come… yeah yeah the best is yet to come!

      + 1

    • Coffeeisland

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      You know it’s amazing how the human body can adapt. That rock didn’t become a burger but it was pretty tasty

      • FireLicht2020

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        It’s good to have you back coffee… I know you don’t post here much anymore since… well… let’s call it the “wake up call”.

        And I know the wins are few and far between so getting excited about Hunter’s texts or hydro or whatever small wins you can find probably mean the world to you…

        But the reality is you spent 4 year getting your ass handed to you as Trump was the worst president ever and the least qualified to handle a pandemic.

        Then he lost and cried and tried to cheat and lost again then lost in court and now he looks decrepit and diaper-straddled.

        This is all, I’m sure, very hard to process… 6 months isn’t enough time to grieve.

        I’m sure watching Biden fix the pandemic is hard but it’s OK. He’s the president for all Americans whether you want it or not.

        He loves you! He wants you to be happy! He is risen…

    • Roy

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      Well, it might do some of you some good, including the OP, to actually read the article.

      It says the drug helped “if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.” Do you not see the difference between taking the drug as a vaccine for Covid and giving it to patients already on ventilators? That’s great if it helps stave off death when you have no other choice, but that’s not what Trump was selling when he was pushing the stuff.

    • Biggs3535

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      And I know the wins are few and far between

      Yet another reference to how few and far between the wins are. It’s almost as if they aren’t so few and far between at all, for those that pay attention.

    • KarmaPolice

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      It says the drug helped “if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.

      Made sense pint in Runoles thread. Also just an observational study

      None of them care. Ironically, they deny confirmation bias

    • spartan

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      Well, it might do some of you some good, including the OP, to actually read the article.

      It says the drug helped “if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.” Do you not see the difference between taking the drug as a vaccine for Covid and giving it to patients already on ventilators? That’s great if it helps stave off death when you have no other choice, but that’s not what Trump was selling when he was pushing the stuff.

      Yes he was. He was touting it as a treatment for people who have Covid and to a lesser degree as a prophylactic. I think he mentioned he had been taking it. I have not seen much to support the prophylactic aspect of this drug but definitely for patients who had been already been hospitalized.
      Here’s a quote ..

      Trump’s tweets pointed to research, also cited by the AAPS, which showed that hydroxychloroquine cut the COVID-19 death rate in hospitalised patients by half.

      The article addresses both aspects of it.

    • spartan

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      For a bunch of folks who are all about “follow the science”, there’s a whole of ignoring the science going on.

      Have we had a bwahaha yet?

    • Runole

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      I can see the OCD guy and those equally willfully blind decided to enter opposing the scientific facts of Hydroxy. Sad to see such partisan ignorance on display.

      Reminds me of a pupil I attempted to teach. His reply ” I am stupid and that is what I wish to be”

      ” You can take a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”

      • FireLicht2020

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        So go stuff some hydro? Idk what to tell you?

        I’ll go with the vaccine, not the malaria medicine

    • FireLicht2020

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      Seriously this is probably a pump and dump for those that loaded this shit up to offload it… (that’s a half joke)

      It’s funny to me, to counter @spartan point.. folks that refuse the mask and the vaccine will instead boast about hydro SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS PRO TRUMP

    • spartan

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      Seriously this is probably a pump and dump for those that loaded this shit up to offload it… (that’s a half joke)

      It’s funny to me, to counter @spartan point.. folks that refuse the mask and the vaccine will instead boast about hydro SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS PRO TRUMP

      I have to be honest Fire I really don’t give a shit.

      I just remember Karma going ape about what a moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist.

      Add on to the number of “fact checked” stories that have fallen flat on their face of late and he must be spinning in his wheelchair.

    • Runole

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      news flash! There are actually therapeutics that help those that catch Covid.
      Natural immunity is greater protection than a vaccine.

      Vaccines while certainly are effective against Covid they are not without risk.

      As of May 21, the CDC’s own Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) lists 262,521 reports of adverse events. Here are some of the events associated with COVID vaccination included in these reports: 4,406 deaths; 14,986 hospitalizations; 6,494 blood clots and strokes; 1,598 heart attacks; and 511 miscarriages

      Of course if it makes you feel safe wear a mask forever! WHY? Lord Fauci has decreed it.

    • KarmaPolice

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      moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist touting it myself because ya know …

      Lol

    • FireLicht2020

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      4.4k have died as a direct result of the vaccine?

      Let’s see that source there bub…

      Statically that actually is almost nothing but it’s more than what I’ve read so point me to your source

    • ISLAND BUCS

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      Coffee:

      I can recognize the truth of what you wrote.—–Thank you.

      “Those two disgusting political hacks don’t care what your doctors have to say about it.

      While it is fun sometimes to lurk and watch them act like fools, believing facts will change their mind is like believing you can turn a rock into a cheese burger.

      Chronic has it right. Give them no respect, treat them like the asses they are, trigger them and then do it all over again”

      Remain intimately at the heart of experience.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Haha.

      Imagine being do embarrassed over your years long fawning over Trump ….

    • Runole

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      4.4k have died as a direct result of the vaccine?

      Let’s see that source there bub…

      Statically that actually is almost nothing but it’s more than what I’ve read so point me to your source

      go to the CDC website. Scream at them.

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

    • FireLicht2020

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      Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 302 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

      From your link… lmfao!

      Deaths after isn’t the same as dying from the vaccine.

      Also that isn’t your statistic you cited, so again I ask…

      Cite your source

    • Runole

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      So according to you it is absolutely impossible to have a bad reaction to the vaccine?

      • This reply was modified 2 days, 18 hours ago by Runole.

      • FireLicht2020

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        I personally had a bad reaction to the first one… it gave me 18 hours of fever and cold sweats.

        Second shot gave me a
        headache.

        All sorts of reactions to the vaccine but almost none that you can ATTRIBUTE dying to…

        The blood clot thing was super rare, paused, researched, then re-released…

        You’re better than this runole… cite your original source. You gave a very tangible answer, so where did you get those numbers?

    • KarmaPolice

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      So according to you it is absolutely impossible to have a bad reaction to the vaccine?

      • This reply was modified 2 days, 18 hours ago by Runole.

      This is the typical MAGA surrender

      1. Post something wrong

      2. Get called out

      3. “So you’re saying my falsity is impossible?”

      No he’s saying you were wrong

    • KarmaPolice

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      You’re better than this runole…

      No, he’s not.

      No original source coming. Just “TDS!” Etc

    • Biggs3535

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      Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 302 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

      From your link… lmfao!

      Deaths after isn’t the same as dying from the vaccine.

      Also that isn’t your statistic you cited, so again I ask…

      Cite your source

      Considering the CDC says to not give vaccines to COVID-positive patients, it safe to say most of those deaths were from the vaccine and not the virus. You scoffed at 4,400 because you live in your cocoon, and it’s actually north of that number.

      You were pwned by the senile old coot and are trotting out that shitty moonwalk because – again – you aren’t smart enough to realize it.

    • KarmaPolice

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      This thread is so Cove

      It went from multiple Trumpers parroting a report they didn’t either read or don’t understand

      To a renewed fight over hydro (quicksand)

      To a fight over Runole source (when he could just post it)

      Lmao.

    • Runole

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      Fire:

      I can name just 3 Doctors who treated over 1500 CV 19 patients and used the term
      excellent to describe their results with Hydroxy.

      And though it does help when you are on a ventilator, the greatest value is using
      Hydro and Zinc in the first 4 days. The ending the virus is around 95%.

      And those who use Hydroxy and Zinc as a preventive rather than a cure,
      have such minimal symptoms as to not know they have Covid until they are tested.
      And this is the best use of Hydroxy, not as a cure but as a preventive. In this form,
      you only have to take one 200mg pill a week.

      You have made it political and that is your business, but you are closing your mind
      to what was happening in the field, in the emergency rooms, before the vaccines.

      If you want great authority look up Dr Harvey Risch Epidemiatogy Yale School of Public Health.

      WELL SAID!

    • Runole

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      Reality? LOL

      Your reality:
      HCQ is harmful…even though it’s been safe and effective FOR DECADES

      Trump is a racist because:
      He said SOME of the border crossers were criminals…context ignored
      He said good people on both sides when referencing people not wanting statues torn down…context ignored
      He said MS13 gang members are animals…context ignored

      Voter ID laws are racist because minorities just can’t figure out how to get an ID…lmao, who is racist?

      Summer of 2020 were all peaceful protests. It’s a myth that property was destroyed and people got hurt.

      Trump was responsible for “the insurrection” because he challenges the election results. I haven’t seen you mention the Arizona audit. I assume you don’t think it’s newsworthy because…well, just because. I’m quite certain you have no interest in waiting for results before forming your opinion.

      Maxine Waters has never called for violence? That could not have been her on video.

      Mueller time
      Russia, Russia, Russia
      Adam Schiff has the evidence

      Uncle Joe is not racist…even though he called “negro children cockroaches”
      Uncle Joe is not racist…even though he said the schools and neighborhoods would become jungles
      Crime Bill

      Omar is not anti Semitic

      Trump’s economic gains were because of Obama’s policies…even though Trump cut taxes and costly regulations…made America energy independent…was tough on trade…How have Biden’s economic maneuvers impacted the economy?

      Trumpets are conspiracy theorists for saying the Wuhan lab had anything to do with The Rona…we don’t have enough ventilators! I SAID, WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH VENTILATORS!!…Trump told people to inject bleach…context again…stopping travel from China is xenophobic.

      On and on and on we could go.

      Reality!? STFU

      Now I’m going to go put some cheese and ketchup on a rock and have an early lunch

      Well stated unfortunately the willfully blind refuse to see it. cause? MSM propaganda works!

    • Runole

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      This thread is so Cove

      It went from multiple Trumpers parroting a report they didn’t either read or don’t understand

      To a renewed fight over hydro (quicksand)

      To a fight over Runole source (when he could just post it)

      Lmao.

      came from American Thinker for some strange reason the entire article won’t post.
      I was wrong there were actually more deaths recorded after taking the vaccine.

    • KarmaPolice

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      This thread is so Cove

      It went from multiple Trumpers parroting a report they didn’t either read or don’t understand

      To a renewed fight over hydro (quicksand)

      To a fight over Runole source (when he could just post it)

      Lmao.

      came from American Thinker for some strange reason the entire article won’t post.
      I was wrong there were actually more deaths recorded after taking the vaccine.

      Just cut and past the words not the link

      You may be right because that is a tiny number but it’s because you sat “after” they people probably wonder about the causal link

      By tr way, American a thinker must be citing some actual report

    • KarmaPolice

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      Here it is from American Thinker

      NOT THE WORD CONCIDED (not causal)

      “ These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619 serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished “as is” in user-friendly format here).”

      Not to hammer the point down too hard but Runole you don’t seem to understand this is basically mocking the “CV19 is the flu. “ cried because the very next sentence talks about the lower rate of flu vaccine deaths —- because the flu is not as deadly and CV19 is particularly deadly to people with …..

      COMORBIDITIES

    • KarmaPolice

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      Considering the CDC says to not give vaccines to COVID-positive patients, it safe to say most of those deaths were from the vaccine and not the virus.

      Hell, we didn’t need me to find the actual article. Once Buggsy agreed we all knew your point was dead wrong

      😂😁

    • KarmaPolice

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      From the BBC


      All of the work and findings are checked and verified independently.
      The Covid vaccine trials happened at breakneck speed, but they didn’t skip any steps – they were able to move faster because so many people were involved and other projects were put aside”

    • KarmaPolice

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      Fir those of you with your heads to deep in the cocoon, all vaccines are generally very safe. There are literally thousands of causal link studies

      People still die from vaccines. Actually caused by the vaccine. That’s because NOTHING is perfect.

      There’s actually a special compensation program for injury by vaccines

      https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/covered-vaccines/index.html

      The CV19 vaccine has been administered to multiple millions of people. If there was something deadly (or more deadly) about the vaccine we would all soon start hearing about it. Just think how quickly we all heard that ONE of the vaccines might have an interaction with birth control

    • KarmaPolice

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      I have not wasted the time to read most of the posts here but since we are discussing vaccine safety in a thread about a single observational hydro test on a small
      Sunset of patients ….

      If vaccine safety is coming up to bolster hydro as a safer alternative … the person making that argument should be committed

      😂😁

      A therapy is not a vaccine, not even close, especially from a public health perspective

    • FireLicht2020

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      Biggs wants to die on another hill, let him.

      Dying AFTER the vaccine and dying DUE TO the vaccine are not the same thing.

      This is such a *facepalm* of a thread.

      A double hill to die on: hydro is the a therapeutic option (there are many options) AND the vaccine is killing 4.4k people (its saying that many people have died after the vaccine, not due to it).

      Then the whole source citing… you said it came from the CDC but then your own article proved you wrong. Then you cited a right-wing think tank, that cited the CDC indirectly but the number wasn’t even accurate or properly described.

      Then Biggs says I’m in the cocoon which is further proof that he is…

      What a ride!

    • KarmaPolice

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      Then Biggs says I’m in the cocoon

      This thread includes two Trumpers who were so motivated by an article agreeing with their point of view that they re-appeared (only to look
      silly)

      And still Trumpers deny confirmation bias ?

      This thread HIGHLIGHTS confirmation bias as a political tool. Trump is literally trying to rehabilitate his image and his amplifying foot soldiers are a big part of the plan

    • FireLicht2020

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      Here’s any easy way to look at it:

      Trump took the vaccine

      He did not, while having covid, take hydro.

      Super simple stuff

    • Coffeeisland

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      Then Biggs says I’m in the cocoon

      This thread includes two Trumpers who were so motivated by an article agreeing with their point of view that they re-appeared (only to look
      silly)

      And still Trumpers deny confirmation bias ?

      This thread HIGHLIGHTS confirmation bias as a political tool. Trump is literally trying to rehabilitate his image and his amplifying foot soldiers are a big part of the plan

      LMAO
      You’re such an ass.

      I quoted Island Buc. His comments were not about the article but about doctors touting HCQ as preventive treatment.

      Stupid question, have you read anything from doctors that use HCQ as Island described? Have you bothered to listen to Dr Risch? Or the THOUSANDS of other doctors having the same results? No, you haven’t.

      If you had, you would have a normal conversation. But it’s more important for you to you to say Orang Man bad…Orange Man followers more bad.

      I guess I could categorize you as a douche afterall…a used douche found in the Red Light District.

    • Biggs3535

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      Dying AFTER the vaccine and dying DUE TO the vaccine are not the same thing.

      That’s true. Dying after getting cancer is not the same thing as dying from cancer. Dying after getting COVID is not the same thing as dying from COVID. This is a fun game, but your moonwalking still sucks.

      Of the 5200+ that died after receiving the vaccine, let’s assume 10% of those were not from complications from the vaccine – which is a very generously high percentage. That’s still well above the 4500 that you scoffed at earlier.

      You have to eat shit sammiches so often, it should be getting easier for you, Mr. Mayor.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Then Biggs says I’m in the cocoon

      This thread includes two Trumpers who were so motivated by an article agreeing with their point of view that they re-appeared (only to look
      silly)

      And still Trumpers deny confirmation bias ?

      This thread HIGHLIGHTS confirmation bias as a political tool. Trump is literally trying to rehabilitate his image and his amplifying foot soldiers are a big part of the plan

      LMAO
      You’re such an ass.

      I quoted Island Buc. His comments were not about the article but about doctors touting HCQ as preventive treatment.

      Stupid question, have you read anything from doctors that use HCQ as Island described? Have you bothered to listen to Dr Risch? Or the THOUSANDS of other doctors having the same results? No, you haven’t.

      If you had, you would have a normal conversation. But it’s more important for you to you to say Orang Man bad…Orange Man followers more bad.

      I guess I could categorize you as a douche afterall…a used douche found in the Red Light District.

      JavaIsland!

      Welcome back

      have you heard that the Ukraine is finally investigating Biden?

    • KarmaPolice

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      let’s assume

      Is this the MAGA manly way to say “I was wrong?”

      😂😂

    • KarmaPolice

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      Hell, we didn’t need me to find the actual article. Once Buggsy agreed we all knew your point was dead wrong

      I assume … I might’ve been right

      😂

    • KarmaPolice

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      That’s true. Dying after getting cancer is not the same thing as dying from cancer. Dying after getting COVID is not the same thing as dying from COVID.

      Actually this is how you say “I was wrong” in MAGA?

      Wait, as long as you accuse the OTHER poster of moonwalking

      This thread IS the Cove

    • Coffeeisland

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      You always bring up Ukraine

      No, it doesn’t look like they are prosecuting Biden.
      Yes, it looks like Rudy jumped the gun in believing they would.

      None of that diminishes what happened.

      Biden on video with a clear as day quid pro quo.
      Was that prosecutor investigating Burisma? Yes
      Was Hunter involved with Burisma? Yes
      Did Uncle Joe lie about knowing about Hunter’s business dealings? Yes

      But, but, but they didn’t find anything!
      What do you think the money was for douche?

      The entire world knows the Biden’s are dirty af and you know it too. With all of the “big stories” your media has been proven wrong about regarding Trump…PROVEN WRONG…the other side of that coin is covering for their political hack heroes.

      You know all of this. You just don’t give a shit because you’re a dirt bag political hack as well.

      Apply the same standards to Uncle Joe as you did to Trump’s QPQ. You already have but you deny it. You wallow in the filth of a corrupt media and political class. You were parsing words to convict Trump. Biden made it much easier by bragging about it in front of the world. But here you are yelling Orange Man bad…Orange Man followers more bad.

      BTW
      What exactly did Ngo get wrong about the Portland shooting?

      Did you already go research Dr Risch before responding/not responding?

      LMAO at you pretending to be an honest broker.

    • Coffeeisland

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      Dying AFTER the vaccine and dying DUE TO the vaccine are not the same thing.

      That’s true. Dying after getting cancer is not the same thing as dying from cancer. Dying after getting COVID is not the same thing as dying from COVID. This is a fun game, but your moonwalking still sucks.

      Of the 5200+ that died after receiving the vaccine, let’s assume 10% of those were not from complications from the vaccine – which is a very generously high percentage. That’s still well above the 4500 that you scoffed at earlier.

      You have to eat shit sammiches so often, it should be getting easier for you, Mr. Mayor.

      Saw a story earlier about a 1 year old dying after getting the vaccine.

      Unreal

    • FireLicht2020

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      Ok again I’ll dumb this down for you Biggs since you’re clearly drunk…

      Show me a source that shows deaths DUE TO THE VACCINE.

      You’re projecting this whole “moonwalk” thing as it is YOU moonwalking out of arguments these days with hypothetical arguments that we cannot know. Barron and now vaccine deaths…

      You can THINK something, and you’re entitled to that foolish opinion but SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE that people are dying because of the vaccine…

      Because it is almost non-existant… the blood clots from one of the vaccines in the only measurable statistic I’ve seen, and perhaps there are more?

      So shows me this, I’ll take any citation in good faith…

      Once we have a more CONCRETE numbers (not the one you found in your pocket lint) then we can compare that to other statistics:

      Deaths from other vaccines
      Death from not taking the vaccine
      Death after taking hydro
      Deaths saved by taking hydro

      Is this vaccine killing people? Is it outside of the norms of any vaccine?

      What is more likely, to die from not taking the vaccine via covid or dying after taking the vaccine?

      Why did Trump not take hydro nut took the vaccine?

      See there are layers to this debate but we can’t debate your hypothetical bullshit… we need numbers so go find em or shut the fuck up and take your ball and be done

    • Coffeeisland

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      https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

      Numbers come from CDC

      This is part of their early warning system regarding vaccines. These numbers are not “scientific” in nature because it is more like a gathering place where any adverse reactions can be reported.

      This is the CDC’s first step. If mounting concerns are registered they will go to the next step. The numbers have spiked again recently so, it is expected that the next step is not too far off.

    • Coffeeisland

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      https://www.brighteon.com/aea74886-7ad4-494a-b9bb-21d13a036ef8

      Watch over the women’s right shoulder. That is in an observation area after getting the vaccine. Yes, she died.

      That is crazy

      • This reply was modified 2 days, 6 hours ago by Coffeeisland.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Your link is a maze. Where in that link does it show “deaths as a direct result of the vaccine”?

      I grazed it for a bit and didn’t see it, and I’m certainly not gonna do the leg work for you.

      Both you and runole and Biggs all cited the CDC, but when I go there, I don’t see anything that you’re claiming.

      ____

      And you just mentioned that a one y/o died from the vaccine but the vaccines are available to 10 y/o let alone 1 y/o so what is the point even if it is true? That someone gave their kid a vaccine when they shouldn’t have?

    • Coffeeisland

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      As someone once said

      Google

      • FireLicht2020

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        “Make my argument for me”

    • Biggs3535

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      Show me a source that shows deaths DUE TO THE VACCINE.

      You really haven’t been paying attention, have you Mr. Mayor? That’s rhetorical, as your previous scoffing at the death numbers prove that.

      That’s not how any of this works. All of the reported COVID deaths are not deaths DUE TO COVID. There are people that died who tested positive from COVID, but those deaths were from gunshot wounds, motorcycle accidents, and any number of other reasons that have nothing to do with COVID. You’ve been given the CDC numbers – which was news to you. Take it up with them.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Surrender noted

        The file is getting too large, I better move it to the cloud

    • Biggs3535

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      Why did Trump not take hydro nut took the vaccine?

      Some Breaking News from the Real World to Cluelessville, Trump did take hydro:

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-s-no-longer-taking-hydroxychloroquine-n1214301

      Another shit sammich you’ll attempt to moonwalk away from.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Did you read the article?

        I don’t think you did…

        He took hydro in May when 2 staffers got covid.

        He got covid, from memory, around October… (feel free to fact check that and claim victory if I’m off a few weeks).

        When he got covid, he did NOT treat it with hydro. Again feel free to find something where he took hydro for his covid.

        Him claiming he took it in May when he was pimping this drug out is well… as you can imagine, about as credible as the white house physicians saying his is 6’4″ 220 and run a 4.5 40 yard dash.

        We will call this yet another black eye for you reading a headline but not the article.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Both you and runole and Biggs all cited the CDC, but when I go there, I don’t see anything that you’re claiming.

      Lol

      There called the One Truth Special

      And this thread is highlighting the “win by multiple retreats” strategy lol.

      After an avalanche of clownish “Ls” it’s now become “I assume” if you look at this link … it might show something that mighta sorta woulda should showed…

    • KarmaPolice

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      There are people that died who tested positive from COVID, but those deaths were from gunshot wounds, motorcycle accidents, and any number of other reasons that have nothing to do with COVID.

      😂

    • KarmaPolice

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      As someone once said

      Google

      From The Google

      “ Andy Ngo’s Post Millennial busted for publishing story by fake person (updated)”

      😂😂

      Or this beaut!

      “ Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies”

    • KarmaPolice

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      The Trumpers in this thread have resorted to making shit up

      Also known as the MAGA Apology

    • Coffeeisland

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      Why did Trump not take hydro nut took the vaccine?

      Some Breaking News from the Real World to Cluelessville, Trump did take hydro:

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-s-no-longer-taking-hydroxychloroquine-n1214301

      Another shit sammich you’ll attempt to moonwalk away from.

      It’s really hard to believe that douche2 didn’t tag along to douche1’s mangina through a series of posts criticizing Trump taking HCQ.

    • FireLicht2020

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      I’ll post it down here too since you two clowns didn’t read the article.

      He allegedly took hydro in May.

      He got covid in October.

      He didn’t take it for covid.

      Read the fucking articles and website you post or I’m going to keep clowning you…

    • KarmaPolice

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      More comedy for the Trumpers

      If you go back to Spartans link in the Op you’ll see the “report” was published on MedRxiv

      If you to the About page of Medvrix

      “ medRxiv (pronounced “med-archive”) is a free online archive and distribution server for complete but unpublished manuscripts (preprints) in the medical, clinical, and related health sciences. Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information.”

      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/about-medrxiv

      Bwahahaha

      The first doctor is an OBGYN. 😂😂

      • FireLicht2020

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        In other words, calling them out for their sources is quite easy…

        But don’t worry, I should Google for them to back up their bullshit claim.

        This might be the most convulsive bitch slapping of a thread ever completed

    • FireLicht2020

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      Let’s see who comes back with a sore pie after this…

      What a terrible hill to die on!

      😅🤣😘

    • Coffeeisland

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      As someone once said

      Google

      From The Google

      “ Andy Ngo’s Post Millennial busted for publishing story by fake person (updated)”

      😂😂

      Or this beaut!

      “ Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies”

      LMAO

      Yawn

      Ngo
      Risch

    • FireLicht2020

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      Next up coffee: I read the vaccine makes you magnetic at the cdc website!

      I’ll get ahead of that one now

    • FireLicht2020

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      For coffee since he sidestepped it, I’ll say it a third time:

      Did you read the article?

      I don’t think you did…

      He took hydro in May when 2 staffers got covid.

      He got covid, from memory, around October… (feel free to fact check that and claim victory if I’m off a few weeks).

      When he got covid, he did NOT treat it with hydro. Again feel free to find something where he took hydro for his covid.

      Him claiming he took it in May when he was pimping this drug out is well… as you can imagine, about as credible as the white house physicians saying his is 6’4″ 220 and run a 4.5 40 yard dash.

      We will call this yet another black eye for you reading a headline but not the article

    • KarmaPolice

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      Let’s see who comes back with a sore pie after this…

      What a terrible hill to die on!

      😅🤣😘

      They are all dying on it because of confirmation bias (I think it’s true so it must be) and blind trust that the headline and packaging (“hydro … 200%) is actually backed up.

      Both of these factors explain why mis/disinformation is so easy with social media

      Besides that hydro (a therapy) is being compared now (by Trumpers) to a vaccine and that’s almost nonsensical. Obviously you’re developing a vaccine no matter what. Trump bought RECORD amounts of hydro

    • FireLicht2020

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      He bought it and pimped it out. That’s why I don’t trust that he actually took it… maybe he did, but it wasn’t during covid.

      It was 5 months prior. And these guys are thumping their chest like they won an argument.

      It’s asinine and just a terrible hill to die on… and in Biggs mind I truly believe he thinks he won that argument by posting an article he didn’t read

    • Coffeeisland

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      In a thread about the effectiveness of HCQ, you win the argument because Trump didn’t take HCQ when he had The Rona??

      Now you two douches are going to pretend the criticism of Trump taking HCQ wasn’t that “it will potentially kill him”. That was the criticism at the time and I’m sure you two dolts had plenty to say about some kind of “constitutional crisis” evolving out a President haphazardly taking such a “dangerous” drug. Remember all the talk of heart attacks/heart failure that would happen as a result of taking this DECADES OLD DRUG THAT IS AVAILABLE OVER THE COUNTER IN MANY COUNTRIES. That’s the problem, you douches and your heroes had to cling on to something that would make headlines…you always do…That is what I was referencing when talking about Trump.

      AND you pick out an OBGYN and hold it up as what? Some kind of proof that “real doctors” don’t/didn’t use HCQ effectively?? That’s just lazy. Oh I’m sure there are no foot doctors out there saying HCQ is bad, right? I’m sure every doctor put up by your heroes to “debunk” HCQ all have the same or better credentials than Dr Risch??

      This all sounds just like the global warming debate. You douches claim we don’t listen to the science. Even when you are shown in black and white your numbers were manipulated on a massive scale. Even though you have your heroes SPECIFICALLY SAY GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT CLIMATE, BUT CHANGING THE WORLD ECONOMY…SPECIFICALLY STATED IN PLAIN ENGLISH ON VIDEO! Have you douches seen the reports about the fears of a mini ice age coming out of Europe…BBC, I think…LMFAO. Hey Fire better go crank up the old 4-door Duster and keep her purring’ for a while.

      GTFOH

      Fire:

      The number you can’t find on the CDC website is over 5,000 deaths with 10’s of thousands complications. To be extra safe, maybe you should go get another round

    • FireLicht2020

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      Lmfao. Nobody thought Trump would die from hydro… it’s used in large quantity ever year for malaria. I myself have taken it.

      That’s one of the worst straw man arguments I’ve ever heard.

      Here’s what we are getting to:

      The vaccines aren’t killing people

      The vaccines are perfectly safe

      All the “data” you’ve given isn’t substantiated

      You all got called out on it and you tried damage control

      Hydro still isn’t widely used as therapeutic for covid, but I’m sure there are some people using it (probably because they bought it in mass quantity)

      All of these redemption stories for Trump are coming out in sequence at a specific time and for a specific reason… to give him credibility and another run at 2024

      Hydro itself is perfectly safe, nobody is saying it is dangerous

      It was heralded as some liberal conspiracy to cover it up only because Trump supported it and that it was secretly amazing with covid.

      It appears that everything regarding Hydro is hit or miss, and there are othe therapeutic options that have a more proven track record

      This is the state of this thread… a bunch of Trump supporters thinking they’ve won the internet with stream of stories they’re fed and regurgitate.

      You’re being played and that will continue to be the case.

      You all got your ass handed to you here… it is well documented (unlike your citations)

    • Coffeeisland

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      https://www.brighteon.com/aea74886-7ad4-494a-b9bb-21d13a036ef8

      This woman’s family may have something to discuss with you. Use the Google to find more adverse reactions.

      To say the vaccines are perfectly safe is a ridiculous statement.

      Another ridiculous statement is to say there was not a narrative claiming the dangers of HCQ.

      You can’t be serious

    • Coffeeisland

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      You actually made a truthful statement

      “Nobody thought Trump would die from HCQ”
      The talking heads knew that to be true but pushed the “danger of HCQ” narrative anyway.

      That should give you pause

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      say the vaccines are perfectly safe is a ridiculous statement.

      The straw man is never far away

    • Coffeeisland

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      say the vaccines are perfectly safe is a ridiculous statement.

      The straw man is never far away

      https://www.brighteon.com/aea74886-7ad4-494a-b9bb-21d13a036ef8

      Watch the minute long video you lazy POS

    • Coffeeisland

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      Are you struggling with the definition of

      Perfectly?

      Or

      Safe?

    • Coffeeisland

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      I imagine you would be singing a different tune if this was someone in your family

    • Coffeeisland

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      You have proven to be a POS though. So, maybe not🤷🏻‍♂️

    • Coffeeisland

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      I would naturally assume it depends whether or not it fit your narrative.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Driving a car is perfectly safe…

      I’ll let you figure out where I’m going with this

      At some point you gotta just wave the white flag… everything about this thread carnage.

    • Coffeeisland

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      You have completely dismissed the adverse reactions to the vaccine. Why are some hospitals and healthcare companies terminating nurses and doctors that speak to the adverse reactions they have witnessed?

      You claim it’s a small percentage. How do we know there won’t be more long term problems.

      People know the risks of driving a car. People are being shielded from the risks of an experimental vaccine. That’s not the way things should be done.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Long-term side effects is certainly a more compelling argument!

        But all arguments and stats have come from current numbers and claims that the vaccine is killing people.

        Just a ridiculous stance

        And you’re all caught with your dick in your hand

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      moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist touting it myself because ya know …

      Lol

      And you found the need to CHANGE what I said because .. ?

      Here is what I actually said

      “Karma going ape about what a moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist.”

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      Why is this important. Because it won’t be long before Karma starts quoting this as something I said, when clearly it is nothing like what I said. He has a propensity to make shit up then quote it as fact.

      Now where have I seen that game plan before?

      • FireLicht2020

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        Think there’s plenty of other things in this thread with plenty of egg for the face

    • KarmaPolice

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      Why is this important. Because it won’t be long before Karma starts quoting this as something I said, when clearly it is nothing like what I said. He has a propensity to make shit up then quote it as fact.

      Now where have I seen that game plan before?

      Lol.

      Leave it to Trumpers, as if the words typed here are in fading font

    • KarmaPolice

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      moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist touting it myself because ya know …

      Lol

      And you found the need to CHANGE what I said because .. ?

      Here is what I actually said

      “Karma going ape about what a moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist.”

      In this post you make up something I did not say

      In the next post you say that I make shit up

      Lmao

      This is all in a thread where you posted an article that Trump wants you to post that makes you look like a clown because either you didn’t read it or you don’t understand it

      *****

      My point on Trump/hydro was that he pushed it as a political deflection Ya know, because that “Democratic hoax” was in the process of killing 600,000

    • Coffeeisland

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      Your fucking hopeless

      People are dying and having severe reactions to the vaccines. Obviously a small percentage. But that is of little consequence to those families.

      Hopefully people a lot smarter than you are looking into any common denominators among those stricken.

      You displayed this same flippant attitude when discussing violence at the hands of illegal immigrants.

      You leftists and your “common good” mindset are disgusting

    • KarmaPolice

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      Your fucking hopeless

      Lol

      Add this to “your dumb”

    • KarmaPolice

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      Your fucking hopeless

      People are dying and having severe reactions to the vaccines. Obviously a small percentage. But that is of little consequence to those families.

      Hopefully people a lot smarter than you are looking into any common denominators among those stricken.

      You displayed this same flippant attitude when discussing violence at the hands of illegal immigrants.

      You leftists and your “common good” mindset are disgusting

      You read a bit like JavaBear

      Weird

    • Coffeeisland

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      moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist touting it myself because ya know …

      Lol

      And you found the need to CHANGE what I said because .. ?

      Here is what I actually said

      “Karma going ape about what a moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist.”

      In this post you make up something I did not say

      In the next post you say that I make shit up

      Lmao

      This is all in a thread where you posted an article that Trump wants you to post that makes you look like a clown because either you didn’t read it or you don’t understand it

      *****

      My point on Trump/hydro was that he pushed it as a political deflection Ya know, because that “Democratic hoax” was in the process of killing 600,000

      Very “Ngo-esque” one might say

    • KarmaPolice

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      moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist touting it myself because ya know …

      Lol

      And you found the need to CHANGE what I said because .. ?

      Here is what I actually said

      “Karma going ape about what a moron Trump was for touting it, so just couldn’t resist.”

      In this post you make up something I did not say

      In the next post you say that I make shit up

      Lmao

      This is all in a thread where you posted an article that Trump wants you to post that makes you look like a clown because either you didn’t read it or you don’t understand it

      *****

      My point on Trump/hydro was that he pushed it as a political deflection Ya know, because that “Democratic hoax” was in the process of killing 600,000

      Very “Ngo-esque” one might say

      The biggest problem in the country is not Trump, it’s the millions of followers who are disconnected from reality and unwilling or unable to see the con for what it is

    • Coffeeisland

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      Your fucking hopeless

      Lol

      Add this to “your dumb”

      Really? You have been reduced to the grammar police now.

      Oh how the “mighty” have fallen

    • Coffeeisland

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      Reality? LOL

      Your reality:
      HCQ is harmful…even though it’s been safe and effective FOR DECADES

      Trump is a racist because:
      He said SOME of the border crossers were criminals…context ignored
      He said good people on both sides when referencing people not wanting statues torn down…context ignored
      He said MS13 gang members are animals…context ignored

      Voter ID laws are racist because minorities just can’t figure out how to get an ID…lmao, who is racist?

      Summer of 2020 were all peaceful protests. It’s a myth that property was destroyed and people got hurt.

      Trump was responsible for “the insurrection” because he challenges the election results. I haven’t seen you mention the Arizona audit. I assume you don’t think it’s newsworthy because…well, just because. I’m quite certain you have no interest in waiting for results before forming your opinion.

      Maxine Waters has never called for violence? That could not have been her on video.

      Mueller time
      Russia, Russia, Russia
      Adam Schiff has the evidence

      Uncle Joe is not racist…even though he called “negro children cockroaches”
      Uncle Joe is not racist…even though he said the schools and neighborhoods would become jungles
      Crime Bill

      Omar is not anti Semitic

      Trump’s economic gains were because of Obama’s policies…even though Trump cut taxes and costly regulations…made America energy independent…was tough on trade…How have Biden’s economic maneuvers impacted the economy?

      Trumpets are conspiracy theorists for saying the Wuhan lab had anything to do with The Rona…we don’t have enough ventilators! I SAID, WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH VENTILATORS!!…Trump told people to inject bleach…context again…stopping travel from China is xenophobic.

      On and on and on we could go.

      Reality!? STFU

      Now I’m going to go put some cheese and ketchup on a rock and have an early lunch

    • Coffeeisland

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      We can add to that “you’re” living dildo insisting that NO ONE has a bad reaction to the vaccines

    • KarmaPolice

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      t’s the millions of followers who are disconnected from reality and unwilling or unable to see the con for what it is

      If you doubt this, the same people parroting Trump Rehab Tour BS today parroted “hoax” and “Deep State” stuff then.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Voter ID laws are racist because minorities just can’t figure out how to get an ID…lmao, who is racist?

      This is you making my point for me. You buy and parrot this kind of non sense, even though 30 seconds on The Google would show you example like the NC GOP intentionally excluding forms of ID used by minorities

      You and your friends are, historically speaking, the modern parallel to 1930s Germans. You believe the con that forces are aligned against you and that Trump is the “solution,” even as he threatens the Republic

    • FireLicht2020

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      People are dying and having severe reactions to the vaccines. Obviously a small percentage. But that is of little consequence to those families.

      People are dying?

      Yes, in the same way people are dying from crashing airplanes

    • FireLicht2020

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      https://www.dicardiology.com/article/fda-reports-deaths-and-injuries-use-antimalarial-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-patients

      Here are the side-effects to hydro, which is perfectly safe… but it certainly has them. And oh this from the article:

      FDA Warns Not to Use Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine for COVID-19 Outside Hospital Setting
      The FDA cautions against use hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems.

      The agency said it is concerned these drugs are being used inappropriately, outside of a clinical setting or trial, to treat non-hospitalized patients for COVID-19 or to prevent that disease. The agency said it authorized their temporary use only in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 when clinical trials are not available, or participation is not feasible, through an EUA.

      PeOpLe ArE dYiNg

    • Coffeeisland

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      https://www.dicardiology.com/article/fda-reports-deaths-and-injuries-use-antimalarial-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-patients

      Here are the side-effects to hydro, which is perfectly safe… but it certainly has them. And oh this from the article:

      FDA Warns Not to Use Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine for COVID-19 Outside Hospital Setting
      The FDA cautions against use hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems.

      The agency said it is concerned these drugs are being used inappropriately, outside of a clinical setting or trial, to treat non-hospitalized patients for COVID-19 or to prevent that disease. The agency said it authorized their temporar