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      Television is Better Than the Real Thing—and Getting More So Every YearIt’s the primary means by which fans connect with football, and as technology improves—bigger screens, sharper images and magic we can only imagine right now—TV’s power and influence on the NFL will only growRichard DeitschSI.comJune 19  2014 Gordy Brown is a man with options. First, in his home in Sanford, Fla., there is the 75-inch Samsung HD television, which is permanently assigned to his beloved Detroit Lions during the NFL season. There’s also the 50-inch Samsung HD television tuned to the Red Zone Channel, so Brown can keep up with his three fantasy football teams. Next in line is the 46-inch Samsung HDTV which is responsible for what Brown considers the best NFL game every Sunday. There’s also a fourth (a 32-inch Samsung HDTV) and fifth television (a 42-inch LG HDTV) available in case his guests have specific rooting interests. And we’re not even counting Brown’s tablet, which is usually airing an NFL game on Sundays too. But things really get interesting for Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football. That’s when Brown abandons his living room and heads outside to the lanai (a covered porch) and his in-ground pool. There, he has a dream home theater setup—a 16-by-9-foot screen and an Optoma HD66 3D-capable projector. Brown says he has been infatuated with projectors since high school, and one night while in sitting in his pool he had an epiphany: What if he could install a projector poolside? “I’m a computer guy so I love to play with electronics and I’m also a sports nut,” Brown said. “Sports is all I watch.” His electronic outdoor Shangri-La also includes surround sound and the ability to stream the Internet. Brown said he has religiously watched primetime football poolside every week for the past three NFL seasons. Not surprisingly with his indoor-outdoor setup, he and his wife, Jen, have company over most NFL weeks. They also share space with a four-year-old American bulldog named Joey and a three-year-old boxer-beagle named Jazzie. Gordy Brown’s Florida home features a poolside projector screen, religiously tuned to NFL games on Sunday and Monday nights in the fall. tv_zpscc78e023.png(Photo courtesy Gordy Brown) “I could not imagine weekends without it, especially being a Lions fan and the Fantasy football aspect on top of that,” said Brown, a 27-year-old network administrator for the City of Altamonte Springs, Fla. “The outdoor setup is my baby, my project, and I love it.” Brown, who grew up in Mayville, Mich., and retains his Wolverine State allegiances, is obviously not alone as a member of the NFL’s Television Nation. Much has been written about how the home-viewing experience has become far superior to the game atmosphere, and in fact you can easily make a compelling argument that television is the most significant football-related object in the lives of NFL fans today. Last year’s opening weekend set of games (Sept. 5-9, 2013) drew 108.4 million viewers, according to the league, the fourth consecutive Kickoff Weekend with a total reach exceeding 105 million viewers. The conference championship games last January averaged 53.7 million viewers, the most-watched conference championship Sunday in more than 30 years. And despite the blowout nature of Super Bowl XLVIII, the game between Seattle and Denver set a record for the most-watched television show in U.S. history with 111.5 million viewers, topping the previous record of the 111.34 million who watched the 2012 Super Bowl. I will be honest with you,” says Puck. “You could not pay me to go to the games. Two of those are a football-loving couple in the North Hills area near Pittsburgh who also have distinctive home-viewing setup. Michael Puck, a 32-year-old social media marketer, is a born and bred Bengals fan, and his wife, Erica, is a native of Steeltown and a stay-at-home mother of three-year-old Dylan and two-year-old Austin. The couple have two 75-inch televisions ($4,000 each) mounted side by side on the wall of their basement, a room split between a play area for their young sons and football-watching for the adults. The couple has a longtime subscription to DirecTV’s Sunday Ticket, and every weekend the television on the left is set to Michael’s Bengals while the one on the right plays Erica’s Steelers. (They also keep helmets of each team below the televisions and own Bengals and Steelers beanbag chairs.) If one team wins and the other loses, the fan of the losing team is charged with making dinner. “We have a friendly rivalry,” says Michael. “But I have conceded that the Steelers are one of the marquee franchises in the NFL. At least I have had some bragging rights the last couple of years.” Puck had season tickets for the Bengals from 2004 to 2007 when he lived in Indianapolis and made the two-hour drive to Cincinnati for every Bengals home game. But echoing many fans, he said the home experience has become too enjoyable (and too comfortable) for him to keep attending games in person. “I would much rather be at home and watch two games at the same time than fight traffic, pay vending prices and all that kind of stuff,” Puck says. “My in-laws have season tickets to the Steelers, and I will be honest with you: You could not pay me to go to the games.” * * * So why does the NFL work so well on television? Part of it is scarcity. Each team plays one game week per week, making the campaign akin to a season-long playoff format. Something Hall of Fame broadcaster John Madden told the Baltimore Sun in 2005 also remains true: The sport is set up to run like episodic television. “It is the perfect sport to televise,” Madden said. “We have change of possession, and there’s a timeout every change of possession, and there’s a commercial.”tv1_zpsf6dbc852.png Michael and Erica Puck’s Pennsylvania home features side-by-side 75-inch televisions—one for watching Erica’s Steelers and one for Michael’s Bengals. (Photo courtesy Puck family) History is also a factor. Michael MacCambridge, the author of America’s Game, an expansive history of the NFL that was published in 2004, said that the revenue-sharing agreement the late NFL commissioner Pete Rozelle pushed through Congress and the league’s owners in 1961 is inextricably linked to television’s impact on the sport. The agreement championed by Rozelle removed the financial disparities between teams and became the fiscal engine that drove the NFL’s wealth. A visionary when it came to the potential of national television, Rozelle convinced the individual league owners of the power of collectivism, persuading them to give up their local television rights in exchange for selling the product as a league-wide package. He brilliantly foresaw television’s power as a growth agent at a time when NFL owners were still of the belief that the primary way to sell their product was through in-home viewing. Today, the network television partners—CBS, Fox, NBC and ESPN—provide the NFL with about $6 billion annually. By 2027, Navigate Research predicts, such media-rights revenues could reach $17 billion, according to USA Today. “If you have the revenue-sharing agreement without television, you would have teams arguing over when their home games are and who gets to play on Thanksgiving and holidays,” said MacCambridge, who is working on a book about the late Hall of Fame Steelers coach Chuck Noll. “The league would have a piecemeal, small-minded mindset.” If you want other touchstones involving television that helped build NFL, MacCambridge suggests the iconic 1958 NFL championship game between the Baltimore Colts and New York Giants (watched by 45 million Americans and dubbed by SI “The Greatest Game Ever Played”) and the creation of Monday Night Football in 1970. Professional football had become a hot sport in America during the 1960s—Time magazine declared it the sport of that decade—but people still thought Rozelle was crazy for wanting to air pro football in primetime. ABC originally passed on the Monday night package before signing off on it and airing the program in 1970. “It is the single most influential sports series of all time,” says MacCambridge, “because everything since then followed in the wake—from storylines going into games to keying on certain players.” From a technology standpoint, Ken Aagaard, an executive vice president of engineering, operations and production services for CBS Sports and a 30-year sports television executive, suggests that instant replay, the first-down line and aerial cameras were key television movers. I’d also add the creation of the mythmaking, artistically brilliant propaganda machine known as NFL Films. * * * So what kind of impact will television have on the NFL 10 years from now? There is one surefire lock: You will clearly have a better-looking picture. Ultra high definition television, also known as 4K and 8K viewing, is coming in some form. The technology has at least four times the resolution of current high-definition televisions, and will become more commonplace when the price comes down and broadcasters get more bandwidth for it. Viewers should also expect graphics and animation to continue to evolve at the pace technology allows it. NBC’s Sunday Night Football producer Fred Gaudelli suggested that a football field will be equipped with enough cameras so viewers can see a 360-degree angle of any play from any place on the field. He also speculated about visuals that we can only dream of right now. Gaudelli says he has spoken with scientists and the conversations turn to, “Could we ever get to the point where we could start digitally removing people from the field to see a clear view of what we want to see?” “Football is a game where you could have 150 cameras, but if the bodies are aligned a certain way, none of those cameras will have an unobstructed view,” Gaudelli says. “So let’s say we want to see if Ben Roethlisberger broke the plane of the goal line but the view is obstructed by a player. Could we digitally remove that player and then, based on GPS data, recreate Roethlisberger’s body on the plane of the goal line so we can definitely say if the ball did or did not break the plane? That is where I think you will get to, manipulating pictures. There are some countries with high-end defense systems that can do that, and that is where I think it will go.” Most of the sports television people The MMQB spoke with also predicted the Megacast concept would come to the NFL, a setup in which viewers will have access to numerous add-on features, extra camera angles and announcers geared toward niche broadcasting (i.e. a broadcast featuring the All-22 camera angle and football coaches talking about the game). Aagaard expects networks to have multi-screen capability that can measure anything from how far every player has run on a play to the specific distances between players, to deep, immersive fantasy stats. “If you look at sports video games, you can zoom in on any one player’s perspective; that will be available in the future,” Aagaard says. “In 10 or 20 years the viewer will have  the ability to view the play anyway he wants. Maybe it’s some sort of joystick and he decides if he wants to watch something from the quarterback’s or defensive back’s point of view. The technology will be there. It will just be about the distribution and cost.” “Where it could be different in 10 years is the placement of cameras,” adds ESPN Monday Night Football announcer Mike Tirico. “Remember the XFL days? Those point-of-view shots from the official or player were jarring. What is to say you can’t put a camera on the field every five yards with a function to see the footwork of lineman? Let’s say a referee calls a roughing the passer penalty. We could see where his eyes are looking, what he is seeing, and he won’t be slowed down with a little lipstick camera on his cap. You need the league to go along with, this but did you think 10 or 15 years ago that we would be able to interview an NBA coach on the floor before the fourth quarter?” * * * What will this mean for game broadcasters and the director and producers of NFL telecasts? For starters, you should expect the same cavalcade of former players and coaches to be in the booth. Tirico says he couldn’t envision a time when an NFL television broadcast did not have a coach of former player involved on air. “The sport, more than any other, is hard to understand because of the complexities of play-calling and the intricacies of 11 people working along the same path,” Tirico says. “It always needs someone to answer why and how.” Tirico does predict, though, that his job will change (in fact, it already has) because of technology, especially audio. “I am much more conscious now than when I started doing Monday Night Football of the audio of the quarterback at the line of scrimmage. That has gotten much better. There are mics in some of the pads of offensive lineman so you can hear the line calls, and that has impacted how the announcers call the game. If the audio increases, with more players having microphones and more natural sounds, that would be something we’d have to adjust to.”tv2_zps5b8ad1d7.png Cameras are already ubiquitous at games; expect many more of them on future telecasts. (Jeff Moffett/Icon SMI) Gaudelli ponders whether a woman will come to the forefront and become a play-by-play announcer for NFL telecasts. He also expects, perhaps optimistically, that real-time reporting on television will become more valuable and that access will open up. “Could I see a day where we start broadcasting practices for the Dallas Cowboys?” Gaudelli says. “Yeah, I do. Will that be national? No. But it could be a local play for the league to generate more revenue and more access for the fans.” Aagaard says new technology will inundate the behind-the-scenes people in the broadcast truck with many more choices, in a small amount of time. “One of the problems now is to find something,” Aagaard says. “You know you have that great replay, but where is it? There are a lot of decisions for these producers to make, and these decisions are critical. It’s possible that viewers might see things before the producers do if they have access to all the cameras.” Regarding the auxiliary shows surrounding games, ESPN coordinating producer Seth Markman sees gambling and fantasy football elements becoming much more overt on NFL programming 10 years from now. “I think in 2024 [gambling references] will be commonplace,” says Markman, who runs ESPN’s NFL studio programming. “I don’t think it will be something people tip-toe around. Are we really serving viewers right now by saying the Patriots are going to beat the Jaguars in the game when everyone wants to know if they’ll win by two touchdowns? If you talk to NFL fans such as Brown and Pace, they expect the home viewing experience to continue to improve, making it a major challenge for teams to convince people to break away from their television utopias and come to the stadium. “I would imagine in 10 years that something new and innovative will enhance the home-viewing experience,” Puck says. “The NFL has already taken some measures to improve their in-stadium experience, but unless the league can replicate the comforts of my own home, watching multiple games at the same time, being out of the elements, my own refreshments, I am positive I will still be watching at home in 2024 with my wife and 13- and 12-year old sons. And I can speak for certain that they will still be rooting against my team.”tv3_zps749b539d.pngSave for technology, the man cave has changed little over the years. (Getty Images)

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    • Anonymous

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      I suffer the same dilemma. I have a 106 screen and 1080p HD projector in my living room, complete with 7.1 surround sound, theater seating and tactile transducers in the seats (making you feel every tackle). I love watching Bucs games in my HT but I also love being at the games. This year I had to give up my season tickets because I had to devote the money and time to my other projects. I’ll miss not going to games, but I certainly won’t miss being in that heat in September. I know I'll be able to get to a few ballgames in November and December but I'll need to decide if I want to spend that money or just watch the game on TV.

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    • Anonymous

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      You can’t be the 12th man on your couch.

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    • Anonymous

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      Idc how big Ur tv is there’s nothing better then pregame and live game stadium action. You don’t get the same experience. Yea being at your house is cool but nah it’s not the same cheering on Ur favorite team surrounded by fans. if this was the case then it’s not just an nfl problem it would be an all major sports problem.

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    • Anonymous

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      There is nothing like being there live especially if you are with good friends or your kids/family.  I can see as I get older how I would maybe only go to half the games but the at home experience continues to get better every year.

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      Definitely don’t disagree with any of these sentiments. The reason I’ve been a STH since ’98 is because of that in game experience. Tailgating, cheering the team along with fellow fans, there’s nothing like it. I hope to get to a few games this year if my schedule permits.

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    • bcwizard

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      As a business, you cannot alter your product to get more revenue (from tv) and then complain when the strategy works.. BY DESIGN, the tv game is currently a better value than the live game

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    • Anonymous

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      When will they start having cheerleaders deliver drinks to your house

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    • bcwizard

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      When will they start having cheerleaders deliver drinks to your house

      great concept, wife may not appreciate it though

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    • Anonymous

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      The NFL will have to tailor the STADIUM experience similar to the home theater experience. Certainly not for everyone but for a good number of fans. Indoors, air conditioning, 70′ screens, food and beverages, surround sound, exclusive video feeds, possibly ex players visiting, etc. And cheap, not cost prohibitive. It would be aimed at the crowd that piles into the local sports bar, only more personal. The NFL  is competing with technology, comfort and cost

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      As a business, you cannot alter your product to get more revenue (from tv) and then complain when the strategy works.. BY DESIGN, the tv game is currently a better value than the live game

      Exactly, revenues from TV are getting so big that attendance is becoming an afterthought in successful team revenue.

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    • bcwizard

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      The NFL will have to tailor the STADIUM experience similar to the home theater experience. Certainly not for everyone but for a good number of fans. Indoors, air conditioning, 70' screens, food and beverages, surround sound, exclusive video feeds, possibly ex players visiting, etc. And cheap, not cost prohibitive. It would be aimed at the crowd that piles into the local sports bar, only more personal. The NFL  is competing with technology, comfort and cost

      as TV contacts get more and more lucrative, you might see the NFL look at the live stadium as almost a loss leader

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      Unfortunately I’m a long distance fan. I’ve only been to one Buc game in the last decade (last year’s travesty against Carolina) and though it wa a bitter defeat it was still a blast being there. I get to go to a lot of Titans games since I live in Nashville. I personally think there’s nothing like being there and being a part of the experience.I do enjoy sitting at home and watching games as well, but since it's such a rare experience for me it's not even close.

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    • brycen54

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      More than that, we will soon see stadiums designed as props to enhance the broadcast experience. They will focus on things like making the stadium look full with less people.

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    • vlagatta

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      I spend 2 years on my man cave, and completed it a few weeks ago.  It had to be one of the WORST most arduous tasks ever, or perhaps that had something to do with the contractor(s) yes, plural…  at any rate…I’m very much looking forward to Sunday Ticket, and my new Man Cave, which cost me more than my car did.

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      Ozy,  I have an opposite take.  small stadiums are the future.  Some day I would not be surprised if games are played in tv studios. 

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it’ll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

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    • bcwizard

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      or the value back up

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    • vlagatta

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better.

      depends on your age.  I go back to the sombrero, since the first season.  back then by the way, while it wasn't full, about a third of the audience was kids who came with their parents.  but that is another thread.  these days, I much rather enjoy having friends over, and having the BBQ, and the rest room, feet away.  I also like watching multiple games.  It is the wave of the future, and stadiums will be shrinking.I predict all games will be pay per view within the next 5 years.

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      It's not just the monetary cost either. There's a cost to dealing with the traffic, parking, crowds, weather, etc. which separates the stadium experience from the home experience. There is much to be said about both options. IMHO the money cost is nothing. I just don't want to deal with the trouble that often but I do make the journey there from time to time. If it wasn't as much of a hassle I'd go to more games.

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    • Anonymous

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      The stadium experience being better is a totally subjective view. Though i personally agree that it is.

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    • Anonymous

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      Of course it’s objective. Maybe if I was there at Ray Jay 8 times a year sweating my arse off I’d have a different opinion lol. I just personally love when I’m able to enjoy the game with a ton of other fans.

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    • Anonymous

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      It is, but it isn’t. If you want sights and sounds…tv. If you want to actually SEE the actual ambiance of the stadium…you have no choice but to go.Two questions the nfl should be asking themselves. What is cheaper, tv, or being there? And, how can we make the entire experience easier/more comfortable for the attendance?Idk about you guys, but after I shell out 500+ for tickets, parking, food, drinks(I drink before I go in), etc, I'd like some freaking ac. I sit out in the sun all damn week as it is, the last thing I want, is to pay for that same lobster-like feeling on a weekend.I grudgingly go to practices, preseason, and regular season games, but I usually wait for later games. Which I haven't done lately either, for obvious (losing team) reasons.Tv sets up the stage for the nfl, but they have to make people want to come to their games. Even though I don't exactly like jjworld, he might have the right idea. Give EVERYONE a reason to come.

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    • bcwizard

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      tv has the potential to add so much more so the stadium experience will face an uphill battle even with enhancements

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    • Anonymous

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      Nice setup that Sanford guy has. But being 100 miles from Tampa, he should be a Buc fan. Or even a Jags fan.  Damn transplants.

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      Nice setup that Sanford guy has. But being 100 miles from Tampa, he should be a Buc fan. Or even a Jags fan.  Damn transplants.

      Agreed.  I also imagine that all of the advancements in technology that allow for viewing any team in the nation from any area when ever you desire, while following every nugget of news through the internet, as well as the proliferation of "man-caves" and dens of secluded viewing separated from the local fan base and neighbors, might very well threaten the bedrock of hardcore local loyalties.  There is no longer an incentive for transplants to integrate into the regional sports culture, or to introduce their children to the local sports teams.  Secluded viewing lessens the likelyhood of peer pressures or friendships to influence the newcomers' sports interests.

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      I spend 2 years on my man cave, and completed it a few weeks ago.  It had to be one of the WORST most arduous tasks ever, or perhaps that had something to do with the contractor(s) yes, plural...  at any rate...I'm very much looking forward to Sunday Ticket, and my new Man Cave, which cost me more than my car did.

      You have any photos of the finished cave?  I'm looking in to making mine a bit more accommodating myself. 

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      Idc how big Ur tv is there's nothing better then pregame and live game stadium action. You don't get the same experience. Yea being at your house is cool but nah it's not the same cheering on Ur favorite team surrounded by fans. if this was the case then it's not just an nfl problem it would be an all major sports problem.

      Thats the worst part about going to games for me. Surrounded by fat drunk idiots in the heat for hours. USF games are much better as far as being around the fans goes

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    • Anonymous

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      Idc how big Ur tv is there's nothing better then pregame and live game stadium action. You don't get the same experience. Yea being at your house is cool but nah it's not the same cheering on Ur favorite team surrounded by fans. if this was the case then it's not just an nfl problem it would be an all major sports problem.

      Thats the worst part about going to games for me. Surrounded by fat drunk idiots in the heat for hours. USF games are much better as far as being around the fans goes

      There is no denying that we have some of the fattest, sloppiest fans in the country. 

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    • Anonymous

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      I agree with most the sentiments…from both sides of the argument.We shell out a good deal of money to haul our azzes to RJS 8 Sundays a year...I almost feel an obligation to be there: I mean, think of all the other cities in America that would give up a left nut to have an NFL franchise...it has just become a part of 'what we do' on gameday when the Bucs are in town.

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    • Anonymous

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      Unfortunely i have to watch most games on TV via NFL game pass. Perfect view, but nothing against to be in the Stadium.They can catch the game, but the atmosphere is something you cannot transfer.

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      no no, this is nonsense. if you’re a fan who waits all year long, reads every freaking headline/thread and watches every video, you watch all of it, whatever you can scrape up on your team. Then when the long awaited day arrives you rather be in your home than see them run out the tunnel live?? The week leading up to a home game you are jacked up, saturday you can’t sleep, sunday you are going to be a part of it and will be happy you did, because you never know what can happen and how fun a game turns out to be.but then again, those horrible jumbo trons, and the sound needs to be upgraded...what's taking so long (does anyone know?)

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      Ozy,  I have an opposite take.  small stadiums are the future.  Some day I would not be surprised if games are played in tv studios.

      I agree.  Even in MLB, the stadiums need to be smaller.  In Atlanta, the new Braves stadium will have 10k fewer seats than the current one.  Capacity of around 40k.  Which is still too much in my opinion.The Rays should build a new stadium downtown and have it hold 20-25k tops.  Even with fewer people, at least it would always looked packed.  No one wants to go to empty stadiums just like no one wants to go to an empty bar.

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    • Anonymous

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      The stadium experience is shifting more and more in favor of business customers rather than families

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

      In fairness, you did basically say that only a loud mouth without friends would enjoy the stadium experience better...

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

      In fairness, you did basically say that only a loud mouth without friends would enjoy the stadium experience better...

      Never did I say only. Nor is an extreme extrovert a loudmouth. It just means you're very extroverted. Nor did I say no friends. Close friends. And finally. It's an opinion. Not a fact.

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      For the most part, I have no choice but to watch the games on TV here In Vegas. And I enjoy that. But nothing compares to being there in person. NOTHING. And as far as watching with friends at home vs. watching live in the stadium? You make new friends in the stadium. Not very difficult. When I lived in Tampa and had my season tickets, I looked forward to Sundays more than ever in my life. Was it hot early in the season? Yep. But so what? Unless you're elderly or with young kids, stop whining and deal with it. There are women coming to games in bikini tops and you're complaining?I can watch the replays over and over when I get home later. But nothing beats the energy of being there in person. Most of my best memories of Bucs games are the ones where I was actually in the stadium.Hope to get back for a game (or two, if they make the playoffs) this year. No good road games close to me like the past few years.

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      For the most part, I have no choice but to watch the games on TV here In Vegas. And I enjoy that. But nothing compares to being there in person. NOTHING. And as far as watching with friends at home vs. watching live in the stadium? You make new friends in the stadium. Not very difficult. When I lived in Tampa and had my season tickets, I looked forward to Sundays more than ever in my life. Was it hot early in the season? Yep. But so what? Unless you're elderly or with young kids, stop whining and deal with it. There are women coming to games in bikini tops and you're complaining?I can watch the replays over and over when I get home later. But nothing beats the energy of being there in person. Most of my best memories of Bucs games are the ones where I was actually in the stadium.Hope to get back for a game (or two, if they make the playoffs) this year. No good road games close to me like the past few years.

      Never been to a Tampa game. Been to a few Auburn games over the years when I and the others can afford it. Never been a fan of making friends with complete strangers in person. I don't get the atmosphere idea. I don't feel euphoric by being there is person. I do enjoy taking my mother and best friend though. Building memories with them. But I get that from going to the beach and casino too. Just saying that a lot of people enjoy watching it on screen where you KNOW if the refs are screwing you x)

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

      In fairness, you did basically say that only a loud mouth without friends would enjoy the stadium experience better...

      Never did I say only. Nor is an extreme extrovert a loudmouth. It just means you're very extroverted. Nor did I say no friends. Close friends. And finally. It's an opinion. Not a fact.

      Mmmm-Kay, and I'm sure you can see someone might have the opinion that your opinion is a crock of excrement- especially when you stereotype those who prefer the stadium experience as "EXTREME extroverts" and having "no close friends."I'm not agreeing with his use of descriptive elements, just pointing out that labeling a group with such a broad (and largely negative) brush might invite such a "warm" retort.

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

      In fairness, you did basically say that only a loud mouth without friends would enjoy the stadium experience better...

      Never did I say only. Nor is an extreme extrovert a loudmouth. It just means you're very extroverted. Nor did I say no friends. Close friends. And finally. It's an opinion. Not a fact.

      Mmmm-Kay, and I'm sure you can see someone might have the opinion that your opinion is a crock of excrement- especially when you stereotype those who prefer the stadium experience as "EXTREME extroverts" and having "no close friends."I'm not agreeing with his use of descriptive elements, just pointing out that labeling a group with such a broad (and largely negative) brush might invite such a "warm" retort.

      Noooooooooooooooooo. Jesus tapdancing christ no. Not EVERYONE at the stadium is like that. "If you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better."Someone fitting that description is likely to enjoy a live game more than the home experience in my opinion. People falling under other categories may like it too. I never said they couldn't.Quit pretending like I'm sh!tting on anyone that enjoys the stadium experience.

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      I'm just saying you should stop to consider that your comments might have rubbed someone the wrong way, thus evoking the response you received.

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      I'm just saying you should stop to consider that your comments might have rubbed someone the wrong way, thus evoking the response you received.

      And I'm saying that he skimmed over what I wrote and proceeded to be an ass. You haven't been one though for the record :)

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      Nothing compares to rooting for the Bucs live and in person. Nothing. I may be biased b/c I have a family and getting out of the house on sunday is a treat but even when I'm over at a friends house it's not the same. I'll take the traffic and high priced beer for the live experience any day. Drinks, tailgating, brats and burgers, more drinks, hot chicks, pregame warmup, more drinks, Game Time!The best feeling is sitting at home on a sunday night watching the highlights and being able to say, "I was there!"The at home experience is awesome in it's own right, especially when I lived on the west coast and I'd roll out of bed to bacon, waffles, and Bucball.

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      LMAO !

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      I'm just saying you should stop to consider that your comments might have rubbed someone the wrong way, thus evoking the response you received.

      And I'm saying that he skimmed over what I wrote and proceeded to be an ass. You haven't been one though for the record :)

      Thanks, I never try to be.

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

      In fairness, you did basically say that only a loud mouth without friends would enjoy the stadium experience better...

      Never did I say only. Nor is an extreme extrovert a loudmouth. It just means you're very extroverted. Nor did I say no friends. Close friends. And finally. It's an opinion. Not a fact.

      Going to a football game in a stadium means you are "very extroverted". Are you kidding me with this? Your post painted people (didnt specify how many) who prefer the live experience with a quite negative brush and in my OPINION was indeed a crock of shit. So how bout YOU take your introverted ass elsewhere.... and if you want to make memories, bring your mom and best friend.

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      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      How bout at the stadium with your brother or closest friends?I've never understood how people that live in Florida can complain about the temp.

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      I don't feel euphoric by being there is person.

      strange

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    • Anonymous

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      Things will adjust, they always do. The best man cave in the world is not as good as sitting in the stadium. The stadium experience is always better. The issue at hand is that the difference between the two is shrinking and may not be worth the cost of season tickets, plus parking, plus food and drink. I believe it'll be a value based thing in the future. About getting the cost of the entire experience back down to a level where people view the value to be worth the extra money.

      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      What a crock of shlt.

      It's MY opinion. And in MY opinion I like a house get together better. But I can see how others would have a differing opinion. Go be an ass elsewhere :P

      In fairness, you did basically say that only a loud mouth without friends would enjoy the stadium experience better...

      Never did I say only. Nor is an extreme extrovert a loudmouth. It just means you're very extroverted. Nor did I say no friends. Close friends. And finally. It's an opinion. Not a fact.

      Going to a football game in a stadium means you are "very extroverted". Are you kidding me with this? Your post painted people (didnt specify how many) who prefer the live experience with a quite negative brush and in my OPINION was indeed a crock of **CENSORED**. So how bout YOU take your introverted ass elsewhere.... and if you want to make memories, bring your mom and best friend.

      xD I'm introverted in large groups of people, but extroverted when its my friends. BAC level also plays a role lol.Try again"If you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better."Did I say going to the stadium means you're very extroverted. Or. Did I say that extreme extroverts will prefer the stadium to the home experience?Choose wisely.

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      Air conditioned house with my closest friends OR possibly hot stadium with loud annoying strangers and you can't always see every bit of the action. No replays.EhhhhIf you're an extreme extrovert with no close friends I could see the stadium being better.

      How bout at the stadium with your brother or closest friends?I've never understood how people that live in Florida can complain about the temp.

      I live in Huntsville, AL. It's rather cool here thanks to the valley. Never been to Tampa. Furthest south I've been is Gulf Shores and PCB. In 2015 I should definitely have the funding to take myself and my brother. Mom's pro team is the Ravens. Traitor I tell you lol.

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      I don't feel euphoric by being there is person.

      strange

      It's fun, but I never understood the, "It's the atmosphere man!" I saw one of my favorite bands live in Birmingham not too long ago and I didn't get the same experience as some of my friends. Oh well, to each their own. I'm not angry and butthurt about other's opinions like Bschucher.

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      I don't feel euphoric by being there is person.

      strange

      It's fun, but I never understood the, "It's the atmosphere man!" I saw one of my favorite bands live in Birmingham not too long ago and I didn't get the same experience as some of my friends. Oh well, to each their own. I'm not angry and butthurt about other's opinions like Bschucher.

      Im neither angry nor butthurt. I simply felt your opinion, although completely entitled to it, was ridiculous. Have a wonderful evening sir.

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      Backwoods hillbillies like Lord Beavis tend to have weird outlooks on things.

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      Backwoods hillbillies like Lord Beavis tend to have weird outlooks on things.

      Who? Hallucinating again?

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      I don't feel euphoric by being there is person.

      strange

      It's fun, but I never understood the, "It's the atmosphere man!" I saw one of my favorite bands live in Birmingham not too long ago and I didn't get the same experience as some of my friends. Oh well, to each their own. I'm not angry and butthurt about other's opinions like Bschucher.

      My mind takes me back to the Bucs v Rams monday nighter in '00.....there's no way in hell Buc fan felt that electricity sitting home on his couch.

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      I don't feel euphoric by being there is person.

      strange

      It's fun, but I never understood the, "It's the atmosphere man!" I saw one of my favorite bands live in Birmingham not too long ago and I didn't get the same experience as some of my friends. Oh well, to each their own. I'm not angry and butthurt about other's opinions like Bschucher.

      My mind takes me back to the Bucs v Rams monday nighter in '00.....there's no way in hell Buc fan felt that electricity sitting home on his couch.

      Bucs/Vikes in '98 was one of my favorites as well.  I can not even imagine watching Spurlock's return or Turner's punt return on a television set.

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