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    • Roy

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      QAnon just won’t go away….at least not if the Democrats have anything to do with it! Q and MTG have provided the Dems with free advertising for the mid-terms. Thanks Peter Pan! As long as the Republicans keep kowtowing to these idiots the Democrats can count on educated, moderate Republicans and Independents fleeing in droves.

      From Politico….

      House Democrats are preparing to center their strategy for the far-off midterm elections on a simple, aggressive message: Republicans are the party of QAnon.

      Making an unusually early move to protect their narrow majority, House Democrats’ campaign arm on Tuesday launched its first TV ad campaign, spotlighting supporters of the fringe conspiracy theory — including those who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6. It is the first step in a larger plan, orchestrated by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s new chairman, Sean Patrick Maloney of New York, to exploit the growing friction between Trump hardliners and establishment Republicans in the GOP base, which Maloney sees as a major weak point for the party.

      “If Kevin McCarthy wants to take his party to ‘crazy town’ and follow these dangerous ideas, he shouldn’t expect to do well in the next election,” Maloney told POLITICO in an interview previewing the party’s strategy, referring to the House minority leader. “And it’s important to the country that the Democratic Party continues to be the responsible adult….!

      The GOP’s waffling on QAnon has been on full display in recent days, as party leaders struggle to contain the fallout from the extremist rhetoric of freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.). McCarthy has been largely silent as Democrats have moved to sanction her. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, however, took the highly unusual step of denouncing a House member, a move that Democrats say underscores the GOP’s split.

      “They can do QAnon, or they can do college-educated voters. They cannot do both,” Maloney said.

    • jbear

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      But Democrats were not the party of Antifa? Even when Dems refused to denounce the group or even acknowledge it’s existence. Add to that the hysteria of many left wingers when anyone says the word socialism in any context around any government proposed ramping up of spending…. which is exactly where it should be brought up. I don’t call hypocrisy because it’s funny, I do it because you guys need to wake up. Both political parties exist to manipulate the dumbest among us. Don’t gobble up the bullshit.

      • Roy

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        JBear, Antifa is not part of the Democratic Party. They probably don’t vote. They don’t like working through governmental means (see below). They hate Joe Biden. What are Democrats supposed to say? Antifa isn’t part of the Democratic party. Arrest them if you can. Please do. Nothing would make me happier than to see violent lawbreakers in jail. You won’t find any Democrats defending them or inviting them into the party, nor do they hold any Democratic offices. Arrest violent offenders and other illegal actors. What do you want Democrats to say about Antifa? They aren’t us. Arrest them and try them.

        QAnon is part of the Republican Party, who refuses to totally denounce them. They have an ex-President who supported them. They have members of Congress who are sympathetic to them. This is the difference, JBear. Antifa is not part of the Democratic Party or any party. QAnon is part of the Republican Party. Therein lies the difference. The Republicans need to cut loose from the crazy lies and conspiracy that are the hallmark of QAnon, but they won’t because they are Trump supporters. And as long as the Republicans are cozy with QAnon, the Democrats have every right to make them pay for it.

        Wikipedia:
        Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈænti(ˈ)fɑː/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[1][2][3] Much of antifa political activism is nonviolent, involving poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, delivering speeches, marching in protest, and community organizing.[4][5][6] They also engage in protest tactics, seeking to combat fascists and racists such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other far-right extremists, and differing from other leftist opposition movements by their willingness to directly confront far-right activists, and in some cases law enforcement.[2] This may involve digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage against those whom they identify as belonging to the far right.

      • jbear

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        Ok Roy, prove my point why don’t you. This is why we never get anywhere. I’m willing to denounce anyone in Q who proposes violence. I admit they exist just like radical socialists like DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE Alexandra Ban Farting cows Cortez exists.

        I’m not saying D bad R good. I’m pointing out what a brain dead exercise that is. You’re smarter than Fire… by a lot. I think you get this.

      • DCGoth

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        But Democrats were not the party of Antifa? Even when Dems refused to denounce the group or even acknowledge it’s existence.

        I would gladly join ANTIFA, if it was an actual group, but it isn’t. It is a philosophy. It just happens to be one I agree with, as I do not support fascist governments.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • Charles

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      No doubt the right is going further right while Biden brought the left back the center.

      The RADICAL right should be used constantly.

      • Kermit56

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        “…while Biden brought the left back the center.” That’s funny Chuck.

    • Charles

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      kermit – people are leaving the Trumplican party in droves.

      This is the end of the party.

      Texas is 1 or 2 elections from going blue.

      After that it is over for the foreseeable future.

      Everything you’ll see will be just delaying tactics.

      As these white trumplicans die off…the party of hate will die off as well.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Lmfao jbear still crying about antifa.

      There are 2 Qanon supporters in congress.

      There are zero Antifa supporters in congress.

      The issue is again your equivalency bias because remember “I guess I misjudged the whole white nationalism thing”.

      You SAY that but continue to pull on false equivlancies… so this is me telling you to grow a pair

      • jbear

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        Yeah yet you still support bs equivalencies like Democrats are moderates because Joe Biden isn’t a radical democrat or Q exists so Republicans believe the election was stolen.

        I’m more than willing to admit that the Republican party is having a crisis. I don’t have a dog in the fight though. I think I’d be happiest if the party would split right in half. At least the two party system could get a reboot.

        But Democrats are also having an only slightly less spactacular crisis as evidenced by the rise of Bernie Sanders and AOC….. and Antifa so long as you’re equating Q with being a Republican party appendage.

        It’s hilarious to see you all twist yourselves in knots to try to explain how the fact that Joe Biden won… even though he’s not radical enough for you personally, (Thats for you fire) is proof that all is well in the Democratic party.

        You kicked and screamed about every attempt to link the GND, AOC, Bernie bros, Antifa, or anything you thought might make the progressive agenda less likely to happen. And you still can’t see the hypocrisy and punch yourself in your own face humor of the idea that the DNC is running ads to say voting for Republicans means voting for Q.

        I gave up on you a long time ago Fire. For every moment where it seems a light might be about to turn own there are 100 incidents of you being the guy on the life raft drinking the sea water after being warned that it will kill you.

      • Roy

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        JBear, alls well with the Democratic party only because they have Trumpism and QAnon driving the middle away. If they didn’t have that they’d have to develop their own identity. So that’s why the Democrats are thanking their lucky stars right now that the Republican’s apparently can’t move on from Trump.

        Apparently you forgot that Trump still says the election was stolen, not just QAnon. This is the crux of the problem here JBear. The Republicas want Democrats to move on, but they haven’t moved on themselves. They are still knee deep in conspiracies and denials and Trump worshippers, all the same stuff that caused the insurrection. That’s a turn-off to educated moderate Republicans.

    • Roy

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      Look the “Squad” is a bunch of progressive Democrats who became famous because of conservative television. AOC was barely a blip on the radar until Fox News decided to use her to beat the drum about how liberal the Democrats were becoming. So they succeeded in making her famous and now she and her squad really do have some impact thanks to Fox News.

      You can hardly blame the liberal leaning media outlets if they now play up MTG and expose the tolerance for the fictional in the Republican Party. The result will be an empowered “Q-Squad” MTG and her types like Boebert and Gaetz, and it will be even tougher for the Republicans to rid themselves of this scourge.

      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think you should remove an elected Representative for stuff she did before she was elected. Voters knew who she was. But you don’t have to give her any committee assignments, and you can emphatically denounce the Q nonsense. As yet the only Republicans being punished are the ones who are speaking out against Q and the “rigged election” non-sense.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      @jbear wrote:

      I’m more than willing to admit that the Republican party is having a crisis. I don’t have a dog in the fight though.

      Your vote says otherwise, buddy.

    • spartan

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      I’m not sure who is more stupid, those who believe in QAnon, or those who believe it is a big thing with Conservatives. To quote the OP ..

      ” fringe conspiracy theory”

      How can it be fringe yet mainstream simultaneously?

    • spartan

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      “QAnon is part of the Republican Party, who refuses to totally denounce them. They have an ex-President who supported them. They have members of Congress who are sympathetic to them. This is the difference,”

      Really? Show me 1 Democrat politician that has denounced Antifa and the violence they have inflicted. What’s more if I was a betting man I would put money on every single one voted for Biden if they got out of bed on time.

    • BucBit2

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      Dude you realize Q ain’t real right?

    • BucBit2

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      I don’t get this board but here goes

      “ “Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting, it’s lawlessness, plain and simple,” said Biden. “And those who do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change. It will only bring destruction. It’s wrong in every way.”

    • Roy

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      OK Spartan, I’m not surpised you think that, but its just not true.

      Mark Bray, author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist’s Handbook,” said the graffiti that the Portland protesters left behind and the flags some carried included anarchist symbols. There is a “fair amount of overlap” between the ideologies of anarchists and antifascists. Both tend to be anti-government, opposed to both the Democratic and Republican parties, and frequently protest on Inauguration Day and at the parties’ annual conventions.

      “Broadly speaking they want directly democratic, self-managed communities at the regional and macro-regional levels,” said Bray, a historian and lecturer at Rutgers University who helped organize Occupy Wall Street. “They want decision-making from the bottom up versus the top down. They reject capitalism.”

      Portland’s protests undercut claims by Republicans that far-left groups have embraced Biden and have committed destructive acts in support of his policies, said Oren Segal, vice president of the Center on Extremism at the Anti-Defamation League.

      “There have been so many efforts to link Biden to the radical elements of the left, including antifa,” he said. “This demonstrates a disconnect between that messaging from the Trump administration and elected officials, who tended to lump together the left more broadly with these radical elements.”…

    • spartan

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      I no more think Antifa are representative of the Democrats than QAnon is representative of the Republicans. QAnon are more than likely vote for a Republican just as Antifa are more likely to vote for Democrats. Neither one will denounce them whole heartedly because they are their voters.

      The Anti-fascist movement, which antifa models itself on are primarily communist, socialist and anarchist. They are revolutionaries and will therefore vote for, and support Democrat politicians as they serve a useful purpose. Google Militant Tendency, it was an organization in the 70’s and 80’s in the UK that worked within the Labour Party to influence policy and direction. This is the modus operandi of these groups.

      The current form of Antifa might be that of a Street Organization right now, but already we see their influence in the way some politicians refer to them. Just look at AOC and “The Squad”. They are a small group right now but they are representative of what Antifa would like to see the Democrats to become. If/when the Democrats are no longer a useful tool they will be jettisoned.

      The big difference between Antifa and QAnon is that they have a distinct purpose and by and large, QAnon are just a bunch of idiots.

      • Roy

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        Spartan, the Republican Party is in a civil war right now between Trumpism and its embracing of the likes of QAnon and Proud Boys and the nonsense of the insurrection, and the traditional conservative GOP who wish Trump would move to Antarctica. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is neither here nor there.

        As a Democrat, I love seeing the other party in turmoil. As an American, I hope the Republicans can rid themselves of this cancer on our nation. But you know if you want to beat lung cancer, you better stop putting that smoke in your lungs. If you want to beat the cancer of Trumpism, you’re going to have to rid yourself of Trump. There’s no other way around it.

        Despite the fact that it would totally deflate the Democrats and force them to actually be about something, despite the fact that this would be totally the worst thing ever for the Democrats, I do wish Trumpism and all the nonsense would die off and America can continue to move forward.

      • spartan

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        With all due respect, I appreciate that’s the narrative you are being fed, and it’s the narrative the Democrats and media want you to believe, but QAnon is virtually a non existent entity for most common run of the mill Conservatives and Republicans. Don’t even start on the Proud Boys.

        From wiki:

        “The total number of Proud Boys members is unknown. Reports estimate membership between several hundred up to 6,000.[60][61][62] In July 2018, the Proud Boys L.A. branch had 160 members and up to 300 pending applicants, according to the unidentified Proud Boys L.A. president”

        They have a bit of a stronghold in the Pacific Northwest where Antifa is also very strong I hasten to add, and that’s pretty much it.

        If you honestly believe that the Republican Party is being over-run by QAnon and the Proud Boys you really should start looking for some alternative sources of information.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Lmfao

      2 members of the Republican party in congress openly support Qanon. A former president supported it. Now Trump’s sycophants are like “huh…? Whuuu? What is qanon? I don’t even know how to say it.”

      And you’re comparing that to Democrats not condemning antifa (which they have). Antifa hates Biden.

      You guys are twisted pretzels.

      Here it is in simple terms:

      Qanon supports Trump
      Proud Boys support Trump
      White nationalists support Trump

      Antifa hates Biden.

      There it is in binary so you can digest it!

      Good luck!

      • spartan

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        My eldest daughter is an avid antifa supporter. She voted for Biden. She also quote unquote “hates” him. He is not “their” candidate of choice, but he is “not Trump”.

        It isn’t a matter that they don’t “support” the Democrat party, it’s a matter that they vote Democrat, and use them as a tool. What’s worse, no Democrat has criticized them directly. They will nuance a bit, but not really.

        2 members of congress support QAnon. Whoopy di doo. Out of how many? And one of those disavowed that support today. So we now have 1. A whopping grant total of 1. How many members of Congress are members of the Democrat Socialists of America? 5. And 1 senator. So is the Democratic party now this hive of Communists?

        I maybe twisting like a pretzel, but at least I am not ignoring reality.

      • Roy

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        435 Representatives are in the House and 100 Senators. 147 Reps voted to reject the free and fair election results. Six Senators voted to overturn the election results. Sure its just political posturing. But shows that a large segment of our elected officials, Republicans in this case, are spineless jellyfish and when push comes to shove they’ll throw out their principals to keep their job safe. And these are lawyers and businesspeople. They could easily get another job to feed their family. But they would prefer to throw the United States of America under the bus rather than cross Trump and mess up their career track. This is what is most disturbing to me. And that includes my own Rep Bilirakis here in Tampa Bay.

      • spartan

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        Some Democrat members of the House of Representatives did the same in 2016. What’s more every single Democrat Representative and Senator worked tirelessly every single day for 4 years to evict Trump out of the Whitehouse by any means necessary.

        It’s a 2 way street. To pretend otherwise is either blind or willful ignorance of the facts.

        Look, I am not saying “yea but look at the Dems …”

        I am simply pointing out the game is played by both sides with minor deviations all the time. Therefore to get on some kind of virtuous pedestal and start pontificating how the Republicans are being mean and nasty and not “unifying behind the President” is a little transparent after the daily shenanigans of the last 4 years.

        Another fact of life is the Democrats royally pissed off a lot of people over the last 4 years. And I mean pissed off grand style. I know quite a number of people who had a casual interest in politics who became fervent Trump supporters because of what the Democrats did, and it’s going to take quite some time for that steam to simmer down. Oh I know Trump wasn’t exactly the epitome of peace and harmony, but to suddenly expect folks to forgive and forget at the drop of a hat is a little optimistic IMO.

      • Roy

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        Your not so good with numbers, eh Spartan? Well it was 7 in the house and zero in the senate. So that’s 147 compared to 7 in the House and 6 compared to 0 in the Senate.

    • Charles

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      Wow. Republicans only need to look at the people changing party affiliation.

      Don’t believe any of use on this board. Look at the real hard data.

      You can verify this independently. AOC is a moron. Green new whatever. But she doesn’t advocate violence like the q nuts.

      The republican party is on life support. All Trump’s fault.

      NEWSMAX…NEWSMAX retracted voter fraud. Let me guess. They are deep state now?

      The Trumplican party is F ED.

      • DCGoth

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        NEWSMAX…NEWSMAX retracted voter fraud. Let me guess. They are deep state now?



        @Charles
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        My guess is the retraction has something to do with State TV et al being slapped with a $2.7 Billion lawsuit, and unlike Trump’s Bullshit law suits, this one holds merit. Fox and “Friends” will be forced to settle or will be looking at a major loss in court. 😎

        Good post, btw.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

    • FireLicht2020

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      Imagine being as blindly ignorant as to compare Antifa and the white nationalism movement.

      Like saying 1 and 1 million are both numbers… thus we treat them the same.

      Until antifa gets elected, maybe sit this argument out?

    • BucBit2

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      Roger Stone is with Proud Boys that’s why they are involved at the Capitol. its an actual group. His security. You can’t hire antifa

      • DCGoth

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        Roger Stone is with Proud Boys that’s why they are involved at the Capitol.

        Well, hopefully Roger Stone doesn’t have any plans to travel to Canada, considering the Pride Bois 🏳️‍🌈 are considered a terrorist organisation there. 😂

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

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