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      https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1270533765752733696?s=21

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    • DCGoth

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      https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1270533765752733696?s=21

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      @mr.-Shankley,
      Thx for the article. It was a good read. This is why I joke so much about being ANTIFA, in some posts, as the article points out, and is also true about Earth First and Anonymous, ANTIFA is not an organised group with any structure or hierarchy. You can’t “join” and, unlike the Jehovah’s Witness and Mormons, they don’t show up at your door with copies of the Watchtower or the Book of Moron.

      As mentioned, anyone can be considered ANTIFA, as it is just a loose base of unrelated groups / people that all are vehently opposed to fascism. Personally, I honestly don’t understand why anyone, even the extreme right of US Republicans would be supportive of fascism. This country is no more likely to become a true fascist nation anymore than they’re about to start flying a hammer and sickle at the White House should Biden win in November. The belief that either of these things could happen in the US are laughable.

      (Side note: I was working a great deal in South Africa at the time of the tenth anniversary of the end of apartheid. The ANC, once labelled a terrorist group, was ruling the country. There was none of the violence and mayhem prophesied by the right when the dog whistle was sounding that the US should defend the apartheid government leading up to it’s demise in 1994. (The rumours prior was that once apartheid fell, the US would be stuck obtaining resources from a Soviet or Chinese led country.

      The truth: Stores were selling collectible cans to celebrate ten years of freedom, the economy was good, people were united and other than the standard things you see in any country, like smash and grabs out of cars, crime was lower than here, in the US. (One odd thing was that you could buy machine guns from kiosks in the mall in Cape Town, but I never saw anyone with any form of weapon, unlike Israel, where you walk into a Subway to buy a sandwich and teenagers have M16s strapped to their backs. (Israel requires military service, but the allow their forces to wear street clothes.)

      So, much to the dismay of the blowers of dog whistles, South Africa was free and safe, and no signs of violence. Had you been teleported into Cape Town, you would think you were in Miami. It’s a beach town, although Durbin is where most people go to hit the beach. It’s sad that people sound off all of these false alarms about what “could be” when the truth is the polar opposite. I saw more crime in London. (At the time I was working for UK television.)

      Yet, I digress. Thank you for this great post amidst the tons of unfounded propaganda that we see in this area of the board.

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      I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


       

    • Anonymous

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      Antifa roofers are extra dangerous

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    • Anonymous

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      So, tons of radical right wing white dudes….

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    • FireLicht2020

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      It’s the age old fascist politics.

      Call your enemy that which you are…

      So while the WS are the bigger threat, you gotta make up a scarier threat… despite the fact that we’ve had many mass shootings by white supremacists, we are hearing that ANTIFA is the violent boogeyman…

      So Fox and all the right-wing syndicates are pumping out this agenda because fear works.

      My mom who lives in Vancouver, WA (where the proud boys are from no less) saw a “suspicious van with someone wearing dark colors” (and probably dark skin because she is actually racist – called Obama the n-word and I told her she was never welcome back in my house with that kind of language)… so she went inside and told customer service that ANTIFA was outside and that they should call the cops.

      That is a REAL story… my mom is more scared of ANTIFA than she is mad about the police brutality. She regurgitates all the Fox News talking points…

      This is a perfect example.

      Fox has created the boogeyman to overshadow the deep seeded racism… THAT THEY FEED ON.

      Not all Trumpettes are racists, but all racist are Trumpettes… and you can replace Trumpettes with “fascists” or “alt-right” or “white supremacist”.

      Call your enemy that which you are.

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    • Anonymous

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      I assume that most of the Trumpettes here would be posting any and all legitimate Antifa reports

      Maybe the reports exist and I am just missing them, but it’s impossible to miss the MANY reports of gun-toting alt-righters

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    • FireLicht2020

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      The latest text message from my mom who is retired and watches Fox News 8 hours a day:

      Fyi, Facebook AMERICAN PATRIOT BIKERS group is pissed! Over 1,000 are gonna roll into Seattle July 4 w/guns to take it back!! The democrat Mayor & Gov are gonna eat shit. Along with Antifa scumbags going down!! ABOUT TIME!

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Notice how she types… exactly like Trump. Anger, exclamation points, one word with exclamation at the end!

      MOMENTUM!

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    • Anonymous

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      Antifa big in KY

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    • FireLicht2020

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      And here in Oregon they gave proud bois a heads up before tear gas…

      Gee I wonder why people are angry.

      Could you imagine the uproar if this was the other way around?

      I’m assuming you saw the video from Essex with the black man carrying out the white supremacist?

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    • Anonymous

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      Antifa in Albuquerque

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    • Anonymous

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      Shots fired

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    • Anonymous

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      weird?

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/airman-charged-killing-federal-officer-during-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187

      “LAW & ORDER!”

      “ANTIFA!”

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    • jbear

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      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/atlanta-rayshard-brooks-wendys-fire-suspects/index.html

      Yeah looks like right wing white supremacists to me.

      And these guys are political and intelligent. Taking incendiary situations and doing everything they can including destroying property to try to start a friggin revolution but you’re right there’s nothing to see here. They have good intentions… socialist Utopia and all that good stuff. lol

      I’m not defending a murderer. Murder is against the law and that guy has been caught. But you… this shit…. it’s sickening the way you try to hide this kind of stuff and make it seem like it’s no big deal because there are worse people who actually murder people. It’s a big deal verge.

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    • jbear

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      So, tons of radical right wing white dudes….

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      You are so twisted. You don’t know anything about this guy except that he had guns…. legally by the way and that he had somewhere on his body a Nazi tatoo. For all you know he really was peacefully protesting. But sure he looks a certain way and has guns so lets screw that guy.

      Look if he was plotting some violence I’m sure they’ll look into that and prosecute him to the fullest. I mean shit are you guys twisted. Lets protest bigotry by being bigots. Great Idea Verge.

      This is why your left wing bullshit is so scary. Because all this talk of equality has nothing to do with treating all individuals the same way and everything to do with forcing agreed upon (Majority rules) social norms on everyone through freaking force. Do you not see that? The radical left has no issue with using force, no qualms about squashing the rights of the individual when the majority has decided the individuals views aren’t korrect.

      I know you don’t get it whatever.

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    • Anonymous

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      JBear – I’ve posted on here multiple examples – across the country of violence and murder – by mostly white, right -leaning people.

      Your response is that the Wendy’s fire was antifa?

      Just trying to understand your point. I understand your opinion I am just trying to understand the facts you have to back it up.

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    • jbear

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      https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1270533765752733696?s=21

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      @mr.-Shankley,
      Thx for the article. It was a good read. This is why I joke so much about being ANTIFA, in some posts, as the article points out, and is also true about Earth First and Anonymous, ANTIFA is not an organised group with any structure or hierarchy. You can’t “join” and, unlike the Jehovah’s Witness and Mormons, they don’t show up at your door with copies of the Watchtower or the Book of Moron.

      As mentioned, anyone can be considered ANTIFA, as it is just a loose base of unrelated groups / people that all are vehently opposed to fascism. Personally, I honestly don’t understand why anyone, even the extreme right of US Republicans would be supportive of fascism. This country is no more likely to become a true fascist nation anymore than they’re about to start flying a hammer and sickle at the White House should Biden win in November. The belief that either of these things could happen in the US are laughable.

      (Side note: I was working a great deal in South Africa at the time of the tenth anniversary of the end of apartheid. The ANC, once labelled a terrorist group, was ruling the country. There was none of the violence and mayhem prophesied by the right when the dog whistle was sounding that the US should defend the apartheid government leading up to it’s demise in 1994. (The rumours prior was that once apartheid fell, the US would be stuck obtaining resources from a Soviet or Chinese led country.

      The truth: Stores were selling collectible cans to celebrate ten years of freedom, the economy was good, people were united and other than the standard things you see in any country, like smash and grabs out of cars, crime was lower than here, in the US. (One odd thing was that you could buy machine guns from kiosks in the mall in Cape Town, but I never saw anyone with any form of weapon, unlike Israel, where you walk into a Subway to buy a sandwich and teenagers have M16s strapped to their backs. (Israel requires military service, but the allow their forces to wear street clothes.)

      So, much to the dismay of the blowers of dog whistles, South Africa was free and safe, and no signs of violence. Had you been teleported into Cape Town, you would think you were in Miami. It’s a beach town, although Durbin is where most people go to hit the beach. It’s sad that people sound off all of these false alarms about what “could be” when the truth is the polar opposite. I saw more crime in London. (At the time I was working for UK television.)

      Yet, I digress. Thank you for this great post amidst the tons of unfounded propaganda that we see in this area of the board.

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      Jesus christ verge could you make your alt accounts a little less obvious. Great thread my hind end. And complaining about the spam while praising you. lol

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    • jbear

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      JBear – I’ve posted on here multiple examples – across the country of violence and murder – by mostly white, right -leaning people.

      Your response is that the Wendy’s fire was antifa?

      Just trying to understand your point. I understand your opinion I am just trying to understand the facts you have to back it up.

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      Your point seems to be that Antifa is no big deal while you pin all the worlds troubles on those who resist the radical left wing extremists. I agree that antifa are not typically into guns and shooting people. Beatings and burning buildings are much more common. That doesn’t make antifa no big deal.

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    • Anonymous

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      That’s just dumb

      This is how most threads play out

      They start with a belief, often times fueled by right media

      “It’s Antifa”

      There are multiple reports (facts) showing it is the opposite. They are posted here

      Response: troll

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    • jbear

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      That’s just dumb

      This is how most threads play out

      They start with a belief, often times fueled by right media

      “It’s Antifa”

      There are multiple reports (facts) showing it is the opposite. They are posted here

      Response: troll

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      Or in your case, left media

      “Antifa doesn’t exist”

      There are multiple reports showing the opposite

      Response: Troll

      There are many videos of Antifa meetings being infiltrated and all kinds of shenanagans going on. They actually train people to not get caught doing violence on camera and train inductees to pretend to be peaceful and then smash faces when the cameras are away. This shit is true. Just do a simple search. You claiming there are not violent leftists harming people is a joke.

      Then I’m sure you’re next response will be the usual “they only use violence against the fascists.” Bullshit!

      Who gets to decide who the fascists are? It sickens me. In your warped mind, everyone on the other side is a fascist. You’re relying on radical extremist leftists to define for you who the bad guys are. I mean, carrying a gun is a constitutional right. It’s twisted. In you and these radicals view there are a whole lot of radical white supremacists. The brush is already huge. Many people who go out there to fight Antifa just hate what Antifa stands for. It’s hilarious that you think it’s reasonable for you to condemn everyone who Antifa, a radical leftists revolutionary group condemns because they told you to and you don’t see a problem with that.

      Goddam its fucking bullshit. Do you really think nobody from the south could have faught to not let a mob rip down a confederate war monument and not be a white supremacist? Have you ever wondered why northern cities are riddled with monuments to union soldiers? Have you ever stopped to think that what we’re doing here is not much different to what the Soviet Union did to Ukraine with Russification? I grew up with people who took southern pride seriously and I don’t think they were racists.

      It’s fucking bullshit verge. You paint with a wide brush, you deflect criticism of violent leftist groups onto the very people Antifa claims run the fucking world all while preteding to be one of the good guys. YOu suck. Injustice exists but in runs in all directions. Stop talking out of the side of your mouth and stop supporting violent leftists. That is exactly what you’re doing and it’s fucking bullshit.

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    • Anonymous

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      Jbear — post one credible news report of Antifa violence as a result of the Floyd protests?

      I have posted actual murders by right wingers and plenty of violence and even a WS group trying to pose as Antifa

      You keep rambling on when all you would have to do is match the reports I post, one for one, especially if there’s an Antifa War, right?

      Just one?

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    • Anonymous

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      @Jbear

      Or… start another thread on the sane topic after just (fake) complaining about the number of threads.

      😁

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    • Anonymous

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear, your bias is showing

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    • jbear

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      Jbear, your bias is showing

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      Yeah my bias as a free thinking proponent of civil liberty for all and against violence. I think I can live with that.

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    • jbear

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      https://www.ibtimes.sg/atlanta-wendys-set-ablaze-by-white-female-anarchist-police-offer-10000-reward-46874

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    • DonkeyHunter

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      Ahhh…more of the “my side good, your side bad” crap.

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    • Anonymous

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      For my part, not your side bad, my dude good but rather the impact of actual fake news.

      In this instance mostly fake news about antifa has actually brought armed people out.

      My comments are about disinformation and how pervasive it is. Left or right, extreme is extreme. I am sure there are Antifa killers and even liberal boogaloo but the real risk is disinformation because people will get killed for fiction (like the story I posted about WA state people threatening a family in a bus)

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    • Anonymous

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      Could change but warrant issued for arsonist who goes by same name, Natalie White, as deceased girlfriend. He mentions her several times

      https://youtu.be/5c-AoqUr37

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    • Anonymous

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      Maybe link doesn’t work but you can google his arrest video. He says a Natalie White is his girlfriend and he was with her before the drive thru

      Could be coincidence

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    • Anonymous

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      Meanwhile….

      “ An armed man who works as an airport police officer was on the roof of a building overlooking the Robert E. Lee monument in Richmond, Virginia, that has been the site of frequent protests.

      The man, Riley O’Shaughnessey, a 38-year-old white male who works as an officer with the Richmond International Airport Police Department, was taken into custody Saturday morning, Richmond police said in a statement.

      Police responded to a 911 call at around 6:30 a.m. to investigate a report of a person spotted “on the roof of an unoccupied building overlooking the Lee monument.” Upon arrival, witnesses told police “they had seen the individual on the roof with a firearm,” the statement said.

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    • Anonymous

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      Neo-Nazi U.S. Soldier Faces Federal Terrorism Charges For Plotting Attack On Unit

      Ethan Melzer was part of the Order of Nine Angles (O9A) which federal prosecutors called a racist and “occult-based neo-Nazi” group.

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      “ Findling also confirmed that she is the same Natalie White that Brooks mentioned to officers in body camera footage from the night of his arrest, but did not confirm the nature of their relationship.”

      Antifa everywhere JBear

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    • Anonymous

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      Trump has created a tinderbox

      Guns
      Militia
      Alt-right fake news on social media

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Lol

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    • Anonymous

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      And in GA

      “ About 1,000 heavily armed militia, all of whom were Black, marched through Georgia’s Stone Mountain Park on Independence Day, challenging white nationalist groups in the area to either come out and fight or join them in demonstrating against the government.”

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      And in GA

      “ About 1,000 heavily armed militia, all of whom were Black, marched through Georgia’s Stone Mountain Park on Independence Day, challenging white nationalist groups in the area to either come out and fight or join them in demonstrating against the government.”

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      There’s A LOT of racist in Georgia.

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    • jbear

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      And in GA

      “ About 1,000 heavily armed militia, all of whom were Black, marched through Georgia’s Stone Mountain Park on Independence Day, challenging white nationalist groups in the area to either come out and fight or join them in demonstrating against the government.”

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      I can’t understand? You think these are the good guys or the bad guys? They are black people protesting against the fascists but they also have guns. confused/

      I’m inclined to be on their side… mostly because of the guns but also because they didn’t attack anyone which by the way is a lot more than you can say for antifa.

      https://theresurgent.com/2020/05/30/antifa-not-white-supremacy-is-provoking-violence/

      I’m sorry I missed this one the first time around.

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Probably because you’re getting your news from wordpress

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    • jbear

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      Probably because you’re getting your news from wordpress

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      So are you saying that you stand by the white supremacists started riots in Minnesota bullspit? That never happened so good luck with that.

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    • Anonymous

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      Other than saying that right media has cooked up much (not all) of the Antifa nonsense, I am not on either side. I have been saying the violence is inevitable when you have a President and his party deflecting from their own failings by essentially starting a race war and repeatedly lying to their heavily -armed lunatic following.

      It already happened in Texas where the police allowed armed militia and they eventually shot someone.

      Now we have hundreds of armed people on both sides facing off.

      Stupidity of the highest order

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    • FireLicht2020

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      I don’t support Antifa… I’ve said this to you numerous times that they make the problem worse.

      But if I had to choose Proud Bois/WS/MAGA/Neo-Nazi vs ANTIFA?

      I’ll take ANTIFA.

      Lesser of two idiots.

      They also are… oh what’s that word the right uses all the time.

      A nothingburger

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    • Anonymous

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      just like in the other thread the problem with most of these discussions is that people on the all right side just go and get things like “the resurgent “as if that’s any kind of credible source

      Text book confirmation bias

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    • Biggs3535

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      get things like “the resurgent “as if that’s any kind of credible source

      Not every source can be as solid as RawStory, liberal hack Manu Raju, and anybody else on the TDS twittersphere. Nobody vets their sources (whenever you decide to post them) like you do, Mr. Cronkite. A true pro.

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    • Anonymous

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      get things like “the resurgent “as if that’s any kind of credible source

      Not every source can be as solid as RawStory, liberal hack Manu Raju, and anybody else on the TDS twittersphere. Nobody vets their sources (whenever you decide to post them) like you do, Mr. Cronkite. A true pro.

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      Proving my point

      “The Resurgence” = credentialed journalist

      Lunacy. Faux News has convinced a group of citizens that “liberal BIAS” = “fake news” ergo all media sources are the same, One Truth is as valid a source as WaPo.

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Yup…

      Bias vs fake – the two words have blended together on the right.

      They’ve re-written history only to accuse the left of it.

      They’ve re-written fake news, only to accuse the left of it.

      They’ve re-written election interference, only to accuse the left of it.

      They’ve re-written rule of law, only to accuse the left of it.

      They’ve moved their fringe to the center, only to accuse the left of it.

      On and on and on it goes.

      Trump going senile? Make it about Biden

      Trump being divisive? Make it about Obama

      Trump has a scandal? Make it about Hillarty

      Obama Derangement Syndrome? Make it TDS

      That list also goes on and on…

      Move on to Congress

      Obstructionism? Blame the Dems

      Big government? Blame the Dems

      On and on…

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    • spartan

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      I don’t support Antifa… I’ve said this to you numerous times that they make the problem worse.

      But if I had to choose Proud Bois/WS/MAGA/Neo-Nazi vs ANTIFA?

      I’ll take ANTIFA.

      Lesser of two idiots.

      They also are… oh what’s that word the right uses all the time.

      A nothingburger

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      Incorrect, you can choose neither side.

      In a choice of Neo Nazi’s/Antifa there is no lesser of 2 evils. There is simply evil.

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    • FireLicht2020

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      Strongly disagree.

      It’s like saying racism=socialism

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