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    • jbear

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    • jbear

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      Insisting on factual accuracy does not make one an apologist for the protesters. False reporting is never justified, especially to inflate threat and fear levels.

      What took place at the Capitol on January 6 was undoubtedly a politically motivated riot. As such, it should not be controversial to regard it as a dangerous episode. Any time force or violence is introduced into what ought to be the peaceful resolution of political conflicts, it should be lamented and condemned.

      See, not a troll. Perfectly reasonable. Take a few deep breaths, say a few OMMMMMMS and clear your mind. It’s going to be ok.

    • jbear

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      Remember to breathe.

      But none of that justifies lying about what happened that day, especially by the news media. Condemning that riot does not allow, let alone require, echoing false claims in order to render the event more menacing and serious than it actually was. There is no circumstance or motive that justifies the dissemination of false claims by journalists. The more consequential the event, the less justified, and more harmful, serial journalistic falsehoods are.

      Yet this is exactly what has happened, and continues to happen, since that riot almost seven weeks ago. And anyone who tries to correct these falsehoods is instantly attacked with the cynical accusation that if you want only truthful reporting about what happened, then you’re trying to “minimize” what happened and are likely an apologist for if not a full-fledged supporter of the protesters themselves.

      Does he know Alice?

      One of the most significant of these falsehoods was the tale — endorsed over and over without any caveats by the media for more than a month — that Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick was murdered by the pro-Trump mob when they beat him to death with a fire extinguisher. That claim was first published by The New York Times on January 8 in an article headlined “Capitol Police Officer Dies From Injuries in Pro-Trump Rampage.” It cited “two [anonymous] law enforcement officials” to claim that Sicknick died “with the mob rampaging through the halls of Congress” and after he “was struck with a fire extinguisher.”

      A second New York Times article from later that day — bearing the more dramatic headline: “He Dreamed of Being a Police Officer, Then Was Killed by a Pro-Trump Mob” — elaborated on that story:

      NYT: “Struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials.”

    • jbear

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      After publication of these two articles, this horrifying story about a pro-Trump mob beating a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher was repeated over and over, by multiple journalists on television, in print, and on social media. It became arguably the single most-emphasized and known story of this event, and understandably so — it was a savage and barbaric act that resulted in the harrowing killing by a pro-Trump mob of a young Capitol police officer.

      It took on such importance for a clear reason: Sicknick’s death was the only example the media had of the pro-Trump mob deliberately killing anyone. In a January 11 article detailing the five people who died on the day of the Capitol protest, the New York Times again told the Sicknick story: “Law enforcement officials said he had been ‘physically engaging with protesters’ and was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher.

      But none of the other four deaths were at the hands of the protesters: the only other person killed with deliberate violence was a pro-Trump protester, Ashli Babbitt, unarmed when shot in the neck by a police officer at close range. The other three deaths were all pro-Trump protesters: Kevin Greeson, who died of a heart attack outside the Capitol; Benjamin Philips, 50, “the founder of a pro-Trump website called Trumparoo,” who died of a stroke that day; and Rosanne Boyland, a fanatical Trump supporter whom the Times says was inadvertently “killed in a crush of fellow rioters during their attempt to fight through a police line.”

    • jbear

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      This is why the fire extinguisher story became so vital to those intent on depicting these events in the most violent and menacing light possible. Without Sicknick having his skull bashed in with a fire extinguisher, there were no deaths that day that could be attributed to deliberate violence by pro-Trump protesters. Three weeks later, The Washington Post said dozens of officers (a total of 140) had various degrees of injuries, but none reported as life-threatening, and at least two police officers committed suicide after the riot. So Sicknick was the only person killed who was not a pro-Trump protester, and the only one deliberately killed by the mob itself.

      It is hard to overstate how pervasive this fire extinguisher story became. Over and over, major media outlets and mainstream journalists used this story to dramatize what happened:

      Television hosts gravely intoned when telling this story, manipulating viewers’ emotions by making them believe the mob had done something unspeakably barbaric:

      After the media bombarded Americans with this story for a full month without pause, it took center stage at Trump’s impeachment process. As former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy noted, the article of impeachment itself stated that “Trump supporters ‘injured and killed law enforcement personnel.’” The House impeachment managers explicitly claimed on page 28 of their pretrial memorandum that “the insurrectionists killed a Capitol Police officer by striking him in the head with a fire extinguisher.”

      Once the impeachment trial ended in an acquittal, President Joe Biden issued a statement and referenced this claim in the very first paragraph. Sicknick, said the President, lost “his life while protecting the Capitol from a violent, riotous mob on January 6, 2021.”

    • jbear

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      The problem with this story is that it is false in all respects. From the start, there was almost no evidence to substantiate it. The only basis were the two original New York Times articles asserting that this happened based on the claim of anonymous law enforcement officials.

      Despite this alleged brutal murder taking place in one of the most surveilled buildings on the planet, filled that day with hundreds of cellphones taping the events, nobody saw video of it. No photographs depicted it. To this day, no autopsy report has been released. No details from any official source have been provided.

      Not only was there no reason to believe this happened from the start, the little that was known should have caused doubt. On the same day the Times published its two articles with the “fire extinguisher” story, ProPublica published one that should have raised serious doubts about it.

      The outlet interviewed Sicknick’s brother, who said that “Sicknick had texted [the family] Wednesday night to say that while he had been pepper-sprayed, he was in good spirits.” That obviously conflicted with the Times’ story that the mob “overpowered Sicknick” and “struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher,” after which, “with a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support.”

    • jbear

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      But no matter. The fire extinguisher story was now a matter of lore. Nobody could question it. And nobody did: until after a February 2 CNN article that asked why nobody has been arrested for what clearly was the most serious crime committed that day: the brutal murder of Officer Sicknick with a fire extinguisher. Though the headline gave no hint of this, the middle of the article provided evidence which essentially declared the original New York Times story false:

      In Sicknick’s case, it’s still not known publicly what caused him to collapse the night of the insurrection. Findings from a medical examiner’s review have not yet been released and authorities have not made any announcements about that ongoing process.

      According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.

      What? Not True? Why haven’t I heard this? Oh yeah.

      The CNN story speculates that perhaps Sicknick inhaled “bear spray,” but like the ProPublica interview with his brother who said he inhaled pepper spray, does not say whether it came from the police or protesters. It is also just a theory. CNN noted that investigators are “vexed by a lack of evidence that could prove someone caused his death as he defended the Capitol during last month’s insurrection.” Beyond that, “to date, little information has been shared publicly about the circumstances of the death of the 13-year veteran of the police force, including any findings from an autopsy that was conducted by DC’s medical examiner.”

      Few noticed this remarkable admission buried in this article. None of this was seriously questioned until a relatively new outlet called Revolver News on February 9 compiled and analyzed all the contradictions and lack of evidence in the prevailing story, after which Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, citing that article, devoted the first eight minutes of his February 10 program to examining these massive evidentiary holes.

    • Anonymous

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      =HAHAHA

      OUTING YOURSELF BEFORE YOU EVEN START

      “This is not a troll . . .”

      • jbear

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        It’s obvious to anyone that it’s not a troll. That line was for you since you think everything that makes you mad is a troll.

        Anyway, you’re the troll. As usual you’ve had no legitimate input here. That’s the definition of trolling. Just fishing for a response to stoke your ego. Everyone knows you’re a douche just post on Reddit or something. You bring nothing productive to any discussion ever. The only time you ever sound reasonable is when you’re trying to sway people into thinking you’re reasonable or right, which you almost never are.

        You post solely to spread your left wing fascist agenda and to squash any discussion that runs against that agenda. Whether a discussion has any merrit to be discussed has no bearing on your decision to enter the thread and start bashing. You are here to push your agenda. The only thing that matters about what I’m saying, to you is that it’s against your little “plan”. Fuck you and GTFO.

    • jbear

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      That caused right-wing media outlets to begin questioning what happened, but mainstream liberal outlets — those who spread the story aggressively in the first place — largely and predictably ignored it all.

      This week, the paper that first published the false story — in lieu of a retraction or an explanation of how and why it got the story wrong — simply went back to the first two articles, more than five weeks later, and quietly posted what it called an “update” at the top of both five-week-old articles:

      Well why in the world wouldn’t they want people to know that the murderous mob that tried to violently overthrow the government wasn’t quite as scary as they were leading people to believe? WHY?

      With the impeachment trial now over, the articles are now rewritten to reflect that the original story was false. But there was nothing done by The New York Times to explain an error of this magnitude, let alone to try to undo the damage it did by misleading the public. They did not expressly retract or even “correct” the story. Worse, there is at least one article of theirs, the January 11 one that purports to describe how the five people died that day, which continues to include the false “fire extinguisher” story with no correction or update.

      OHHHHHHH so they waited until the Impeachment trial was over. The media did this on their own because they are not an extention of the government in a free society.

    • jbear

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      The fire extinguisher tale was far from the only false or dubious claim that the media caused to circulate about the events that day. In some cases, they continue to circulate them.

      In the days after the protest, numerous viral tweets pointed to a photograph of Eric Munchel with zip-ties. The photo was used continually to suggest that he took those zip-ties into the Capitol because of a premeditated plot to detain lawmakers and hold them hostage. Politico described Munchel as “the man who allegedly entered the Senate chamber during the Capitol riot while carrying a taser and zip-tie handcuffs.”

      The Washington Post used the images to refer to “chatters in far-right forums explicitly discussing how to storm the building, handcuff lawmakers with zip ties.” That the zip-tie photo of Munchel made the Capitol riot far more than a mere riot carried out by a band of disorganized misfits, but rather a nefarious and well-coordinated plot to kidnap members of Congress, became almost as widespread as the fire extinguisher story. Yet again, it was The New York Times that led the way in consecrating maximalist claims. “FBI Arrests Man Who Carried Zip Ties Into Capitol,” blared the paper’s headline on January 10, featuring the now-iconic photo of Munchel at the top.

      But on January 21, the “zip-tie man’s” own prosecutors admitted none of that was true. He did not take zip-ties with him from home or carry them into the Capitol. Instead, he found them on a table, and took them to prevent their use by the police:

      Eric Munchel, a pro-Trump rioter who stormed the Capitol building while holding plastic handcuffs, took the restraints from a table inside the Capitol building, prosecutors said in a court filing Wednesday.

      Munchel, who broke into the building with his mom, was labeled “zip-tie guy” after he was photographed barreling down the Senate chamber holding the restraints. His appearance raised questions about whether the insurrectionists who sought to stop Congress from counting Electoral College votes on January 6 also intended to take lawmakers hostage.

      But according to the new filing, Munchel and his mother took the handcuffs from within the Capitol building – apparently to ensure the Capitol Police couldn’t use them on the insurrectionists – rather than bring them in when they initially breached the building.

      This is reminding me a lot of the conversation I recently had about the subjectivity of truth. You choose to believe that this guy was a dangerous insurrectionist who planned to take hostages. You choose that despite evidence to the contrary because you wanted to believe the story.

    • jbear

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      (A second man whose photo with zip-ties later surfaced similarly told Ronan Farrow that he found them on the floor, and the FBI has acknowledged it has no evidence to the contrary).

      Why does this matter? For the same reason media outlets so excitedly seized on this claim. If Munchel had brought zip-ties with him, that would be suggestive of a premeditated plot to detain people: quite terrorizing, as it suggests malicious and well-planned intent. But he instead just found them on a table by happenstance and, according to his own prosecutors, grabbed them with benign intent.

    • jbear

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      Then, perhaps most importantly, is the ongoing insistence on calling the Capitol riot an armed insurrection. Under the law, an insurrection is one of the most serious crises that can arise. It allows virtually unlimited presidential powers — which is why there was so much angst when Tom Cotton proposed it in his New York Times op-ed over the summer, publication of which resulted in the departure of two editors. Insurrection even allows for the suspension by the president of habeas corpus: the right to be heard in court if you are detained.

      So it matters a great deal legally, but also politically, if the U.S. really did suffer an armed insurrection and continues to face one. Though there is no controlling, clear definition, that term usually connotes not a three-hour riot but an ongoing, serious plot by a faction of the citizenry to overthrow or otherwise subvert the government.

      Just today, PolitiFact purported to “fact-check” a statement from Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) made on Monday. Sen. Johnson told a local radio station:

      RON JOHNSON – “The fact of the matter is this didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me. I mean armed, when you hear armed, don’t you think of firearms? Here’s the questions I would have liked to ask. How many firearms were confiscated? How many shots were fired? I’m only aware of one, and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot.

      The fact-checking site assigned the Senator its “Pants on Fire” designation for that statement, calling it “ridiculous revisionist history.” But the “fact-checkers” cannot refute a single claim he made. At least from what is known publicly, there is no evidence of a single protester wielding let alone using a firearm inside the Capitol on that day. As indicated, the only person to have been shot was a pro-Trump protester killed by a Capitol police officer, and the only person said to have been killed by the protesters, Officer Sicknick, died under circumstances that are still completely unclear.

      Pant’s on Fire? lol

    • jbear

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      That protesters were found before and after the riot with weapons does not mean they intended to use them as part of the protest. For better or worse, the U.S. is a country where firearm possession is common and legal. And what we know for certain is that there is no evidence of anyone brandishing a gun in that building. That fact makes a pretty large dent in the attempt to characterize this as an “armed insurrection” rather than a riot.

      Indeed, the most dramatic claims spread by the media to raise fear levels as high as possible and depict this as a violent insurrection have turned out to be unfounded or were affirmatively disproven.

      On January 15, Reuters published an article about the arrest of the “Q-Shaman,” Jacob Chansley, headlined “U.S. says Capitol rioters meant to ‘capture and assassinate’ officials.” It claimed that “federal prosecutors offered an ominous new assessment of last week’s siege of the U.S. Capitol by President Donald Trump’s supporters on Thursday, saying in a court filing that rioters intended ‘to capture and assassinate elected officials.’” Predictably, that caused viral social media postings from mainstream reporters and prominent pundits, such as Harvard Law’s Laurence Tribe, manifesting in the most ominous tones possible:

      Out of your minds nuts.

    • Trask Force

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      What’s your point? What difference does it make if he inhaled pepper spray from one side or the other or if he was hit by an extinguisher? The guy died.

      I’m sick of you trying to downplay the insurrection. You were trying to downplay it and divert attention and responsibility DURING THE INSURRECTION! All you could do is talk about BLM when right in front of you a mob was descending on the Capital.

      Are you a man or a mouse? Take responsibility as a member of the Republican party. Just say it was a disgrace. The Republicans need to deal with this head on and stop trying to downplay and divert and “move on” without dealing with it. I’m being objective here. This whole event was a disgrace to America. The President tries to overthrow the results of a free and fair election, and when he can’t do that he tells his people to go attack Congress who is counting the electoral votes. It was unprecedented, unamerican, treasonous, shocking, unheard of, a stain on our country forever. Yet people still support him. You don’t have to turn Democrat to be on the side of the truth. This historically important event should NOT be downplayed. All involved need to be held accountable and that means jail time. Doing something because you are told to is no excuse.

      Really, JBear, you should be ashamed. I told you DURING THE INSURRECTION that you needed to check yourself and do some soul searching. You still haven’t done that. You and many like you are still trying to divert and downplay. Its disgusting. And I’m not being political. It really does suck what you are doing.

      • jbear

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        What do you mean what’s my point? Are you serious? I want you to read the article.

        People like you have been all to happy to gobble up the nonsense being spread for political reasons. Just because you want it to be true doesn’t mean when it turns out not to be true that the moral thing to do is to continue to spread lies and misinformation because you get some political advantage.

        That would be the immoral thing to do Roy.

    • jbear

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      Shortly thereafter, however, a DOJ “official walked back a federal claim that Capitol rioters ‘intended capture and assassinate elected officials.’” Specifically, “Washington’s acting U.S. Attorney, Michael Sherwin, said in a telephone briefing, ‘There is no direct evidence at this point of kill-capture teams and assassination.’”

      Thank goodness. Now we can get on with putting this country back together. Nah just kidding.

    • Anonymous

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      @JBear

      cant help but show his troll while claimkng not a troll

      Step #1 – this is credible NOW because he won a PP then:

      this is an article written by a respected journalist.

      Step #2 — you’re the problem, not this article

      Not liking what you hear does not make something a troll.

      • jbear

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        Good Pivot. If you’d have tossed that one out last night I’d have let this all stand without comment. Because my comments on it are of little importance. The article is what’s important.

        Anyway, GTFO of here Alice! You’re a terrible person.

      • jbear

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        Adding nothing as always. Do everyone a favor and GTFO! You add nothing, you’re reputation is already shattered here… just go somewhere else.

    • jbear

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      Over and over, no evidence has emerged for the most melodramatic media claims — torn out Panic Buttons and plots to kill Vice President Mike Pence or Mitt Romney. What we know for certain, as The Washington Post noted this week, is that “Despite warnings of violent plots around Inauguration Day, only a smattering of right-wing protesters appeared at the nation’s statehouses.” That does not sound like an ongoing insurrection, to put it mildly.

      All this matters because it inherently matters if the media is recklessly circulating falsehoods about the most inflammatory and significant news stories. As was true for their series of Russiagate debacles, even if each “mistake” standing alone can be dismissed as relatively insignificant or understandable, when they pile up — always in the same narrative direction — people rightly conclude the propaganda is deliberate and trust in journalism erodes further.

      But in this case, this matters for reasons far more significant than corporate media’s attempt to salvage the last vestiges of their credibility. Washington, D.C. remains indefinitely militarized. The establishment wings of both parties are still exploiting the emotions surrounding the Capitol breach to justify a new domestic War on Terror. The FBI is on the prowl for dissidents on the right and the left, and online censorship in the name of combatting domestic terrorism continues to rise.

      One can — and should — condemn the January 6 riot without inflating the threat it posed. And one can — and should — insist on both factual accuracy and sober restraint without standing accused of sympathy for the rioters.

      No shit Glen.

    • jbear

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      PLEASE WATCH THE EMBEDDED VIDEO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE!

      It’s a 32 second cellphone video of when the buffalo head guy and a couple others walk into the Senate chamber and a young police officer walks up to them and says to a guy sitting on the floor. “Do you sir need any medical attention” and the guy says, no I’m fine but I got shot in the face with some plastic bullets or something. The officer then respecfully asks the buffalo horn guy, who is now standing behind the dias, “is there any chance I can get you guys to leave the Senate wing”. To which Buffalo horn guy says, “We Will” “I been making sure they aint disrespecting the place.” Cop says, “I just want to let you guys know this is like the most sacred place.” To which the guy responds… “I know it.”

      Why the hell isn’t that in the NY times? Fire?

    • jbear

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      Roy, Fire, DC, DH…. Stop listening to Alice. She’s a troll of the highest order. Think for yourselves.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Stop listening to Greenwald, he’s a troll of the highest order.

        If you think I form my opinions based on an internet stranger in an obscure bucs forum, you are out of your mind.

        This is a cop-out because you’ve been getting your ass handed to you for months now

      • jbear

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        As I said you don’t have to agree but Greenwald is not trolling.

        The definition of trolling is not; “it hurts my butt!”

        Ok ok sorry. Sometimes I can’t help myself.

        But seriously, Greenwald is trolling? Really? Because I’m trying to see your side here. I get that you don’t agree and don’t like it but he makes a lot of very good points.

      • jbear

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        And you really think I’ve been getting my ass handed to me? Are you crazy or something?

      • Donkey_Hunter

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        @jbear

        I do think for myself. Thank you very much.

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      Because JBear is blind to it, willfully blind to it, this is the “respected journalist” using 5th grade INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY of the very type you see here in the Cove repeatedly. I am pointing this out so that JBear can respond as to why a “respected journalist” would do such a thing and why JBear is PROMOTING how he is being played. :-)

      Here’s the INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY actually quoted by JBEAR

      “Just today, PolitiFact purported to “fact-check” a statement from Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) made on Monday. Sen. Johnson told a local radio station:

      RON JOHNSON – “The fact of the matter is this didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me. I mean armed, when you hear armed, don’t you think of firearms? Here’s the questions I would have liked to ask. How many firearms were confiscated? How many shots were fired? I’m only aware of one, and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot.

      The fact-checking site assigned the Senator its “Pants on Fire” designation for that statement, calling it “ridiculous revisionist history.” But the “fact-checkers” cannot refute a single claim he made. At least from what is known publicly, there is no evidence of a single protester wielding let alone using a firearm inside the Capitol on that day. As indicated, the only person to have been shot was a pro-Trump protester killed by a Capitol police officer, and the only person said to have been killed by the protesters, Officer Sicknick, died under circumstances that are still completely unclear.

      SO WHERE IS THE INITELLECTUAL DISHIONESTY? ITS RIGHT HERE, ITS THE SWITCH AND ITS IN TWO PARTS.

      FIRST Grenwald is counting on the fact that the reader will not read the actual Politifact article because Grenwald says this:

      “But the “fact-checkers” cannot refute a single claim he made”

      In fact, the Politifact article is entirely about refuting what Johnson said. Here it is

      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/ron-johnson/yes-jan-6-capitol-assault-was-armed-insurrection/

      So how does Grenwald get away with it? By making the same intellectually dishonest SWITCH that Johnson made.

      Johnson’s statement was this:

      ““The fact of the matter is this didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me”

      He DEFENDED that by switchign from “armed” to “firearm” ie saying he didn’t see ONE TYPE OF ARM . . firearms, a point that Grenwald just repeats:

      Johnson: “I mean armed, when you hear armed, don’t you think of firearms”

      Grenwald: “there is no evidence of a single protester wielding let alone using a firearm inside the Capitol on that day.”

      WHY IS THAT DISHONEST?

      Because the point made by Politifact (and by me, actually, here) is that “arms” means weapon (not just firearm). In fact, even if the most famous conservative gun control case, Heller. But here’s POLITIFACT:

      “That leaves us with his objection to the word “armed.”

      Yes, carrying a gun would constitute being armed. But the definition of the word is much more broad, referring simply to carrying a weapon. So the question is whether this insurrection involved people carrying weapons.

      And it certainly did.”

      SO WHY DOES JBEAR POST THIS?

      trolling?

      duped?

      or it plays to the pre-conceived notion that the media is out to get everyone?

      • jbear

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        The king of dishonesty talking about someone else being dishonest. lol

        Ridiculous.

    • Anonymous

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      JUST TO UNDERSCORE THE DUPLICITY, JOHNSON AND MOST GOP ARE PRO GUN . . adn they routinley called Sclai their hero and he was the author of Heller and this is what he correctly wrote that just eviscerates Johnson and Grenwald

      “Before addressing the verbs “keep” and “bear,” we interpret their object: “Arms.” The 18th-century meaning is no different from the meaning today. The 1773 edition of Samuel Johnson’s dictionary defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.” 1 Dictionary of the English Language 107 (4th ed.) (hereinafter Johnson). Timothy Cunningham’s important 1771 legal dictionary defined “arms” as “any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.” 1 A New and Complete Law Dictionary (1771); see also N. Webster, American Dictionary of the English Language (1828) (reprinted 1989) (hereinafter Webster) (similar)”

      so Johnson and Grenwald actually make an argument that is not only dumb on its face, but inconsistent with the law tat at least Johnson routinely trumpets.

      This is the thing . . none of you Cove Trumpers seem to care about truth and reason and honesty, you just parrot things that at the moment seem to support your pre-conceived notion, never casting a critical eye at the point, its just “this is a ‘respected journalist’ who posts something that resonates with me . . so it must be true.”

      • jbear

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        this is a ‘respected journalist’ who posts something that resonates with me . . so it must be true.”

        What a douche.

        There are an awful lot of facts mentioned in this story that you completely gloss over.

        But I do love the pivots. After failing with the Greenwald is stoopid, and opinions are trolls you dive into that he’s just like Limbaugh and is just trying to make money.

        And we’ve all seen your “sources” Alice. You aren’t fooling anyone. The BS that only me, and anyone who disagrees with you is being manipulated…. as you turn around and post a claire Macaskill tweet. You’re fucking ridiculous.

        Either stop posting all your BS or shut the fuck up. You are a real POS.

    • Anonymous

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      oops. *Scalia

    • FireLicht2020

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      Go to Twitter and watch Glen flail around as he gets clowned by internet nobodies…

    • Anonymous

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      Its pretty easy to catch this stuff from people like Carlson, Hannity, Greenwald etc. Its just that their typical reader/viewer/listener is not looking for it because they accept it as truth. Call it the Rush Limbaugh Effect?

      that’s what makes it a racket. They are littler ally preying on you for clicks, support etc

    • FireLicht2020

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      No no no, Greenwald is the “truth”.

      He just calls it like it is… no filter. So refreshing. Shakes things up…

      Wait…

      Waaaaaaait…

      Where have I heard that before?

      • jbear

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        Weak.

    • Anonymous

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      If you recall another “Java” account here, Coffee Island, once posted a big breaking story from Hannity and Rudy G . . . . and got completely clowned. He/she did the same again with the Andy Ngo post. The Hunter Biden stuff treated immediately as “truth” by many here even though it wads form Rudy G

      Mainstream news outlets are certainly NOT perfect, but it is this explosive move ways from credentialed journalists to hyper-political click merchants that plays a huge role in the disinformation problem we have right now.

      Its not coincidence that Trump supporters are overwhelmingly conspiracy theorists AND people who intentionally ignore journalism as “fake news” while parroting click merchants.

      • Coffeeisland

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        It’s ok beanpiss, you’re only a POS because of your blatant hypocrisy, lying and foolishness. With dedication and discipline you can overcome 2 out of 3.

        Does anyone know if Ukraine is still investigating Joe Biden? What for?

        Does anyone know if Hunter is under investigation? What for?

        My God man, the hypocrisy of bringing up Ngo in this thread is breathtaking. What was your accusation against Ngo? Was it anything to do with hyperbolic reporting? Yes, I do believe it was. Not to mention the fact that Andy Ngo was simply the one who posted the video. Can you please tell us again how Ngo’s reporting changed any of the facts or circumstances of the story itself?

        Anyway, so now you want us to believe in the likelihood that pitchforks and torches are the preferred weapons for a modern coup?

        That is an awfully small nitpicky thing to focus on in regards to what Jbear posted. Do you have anything to add to the statements regarding the media playing up “a Trumper killed a police officer with a fire extinguisher”? Are you suggesting Greenwood is factually incorrect in stating that no Trump supporters killed anyone that day?

        What are your beliefs in the evidence (readily available) that antifa infiltrated and encouraged violence at the Capitol?

        Since antifa was involved, doesn’t that make liberal politicians and media accountable for inciting them?

        Do you believe liberal politicians and rino’s share any blame by intentionally dividing the political spectrum through the debunked Russia collusion story…that went on for OVER 3 YEARS? How about the first impeachment? Any blame to go around for that BS? All the while everyone saw and heard uncle Joe do EXACTLY AND WITHOUT QUESTION what you accused Trump of doing. No need to parse words on good ol’ Joe’s videotaped QPQ though.

        Any division or incitement from the Kavanaugh debacle?

        Any division or incitement from calling all conservatives racist xenophobes? Which started way before the false narrative of Trump’s “fine people” statement.

        Isn’t it weird how all of these divisive narratives turn out to be completely false? Where do these and other false narratives originate? Who always seems to benefit? Who are the fools that repeat them day after day, year after year? What are your thoughts on Dems asking their followers to fight, fight, fight?

        Of course these are all rhetorical questions. Only 1 or 2 people want to read your response. The rest of us already know what you will say. Other than the humor of watching you look like a fool, your responses are truly worthless.

        ————————————-
        Good on ya’ Jbear

      • jbear

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        @Coffee

        Are you suggesting Greenwood is factually incorrect in stating that no Trump supporters killed anyone that day?

        He doesn’t want to talk about facts unless they support his current version of events. That’s how trolls like him operate.

    • Trask Force

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      JBear thinks he’s exposing some truth, but all he’s doing is nitpicking in an attempt to distract attention from the gravity of the situation. This is what chaps my hide. Why do that? He wasn’t there. Its not his fault.

      But it was Donald Trump’s fault. JBear and those like him are trying to chip away at the edges so that eventually they can pound it into submission and reduce what happened to a minor blip on the radar of history. That is very shortsighted and would be doing a real disservice to this country. We need to have this event portrayed for what it was, a horrible stain on our history perpetrated by Donald Trump, so that we can try to right our ship and bring some respect back to our founding ideals of our Constitution – Separation of Powers, Checks and Balances, The Electoral Process, Loyal Opposition. Republicans need to own up to what happened and stop making excuses. Cleanse their party of the offenders. Bring back the respect to their party. Get rid of Donald Trump.

      McConnell tried to do that, but Trump is still firing back. He’s still out there. Those who stand up get censured. Its sad. The nation is still a mess, and its because of the thought process of JBear and those like him.

      • jbear

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        Ridiculous Roy. You guys say all the time that you want to heal the country well until you take a good look in the mirror at your own complicity you aint healing shit.

        You have to respect other people, other opinions. If you don’t do that we will end up with a civil war.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Respect my racism bigotry!

        BoTh SiDeS

      • jbear

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        Wait…. I’m racist or Glen Greenwald is?

        We’re doomed. Seriously we’re fucking doomed fire. What Greenwald is saying is not that racism is ok…. that’s not what’s happening here Fire, you are doing something completely different. You’re taking a group of people who dissent and you’re making them criminals for thinking what they think. We know that you hate what they think but this is unprecedented. This will not end well and it’s going to be your fault. You’re going to try to blame someone else but it will be your fault.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Lol I’m not saying you or Glen are racist.

        I’m saying the white nationalism movement that stormed the capitol are racists.

        Defending them because of a fire extinguisher contraction is a crazy reach but… you know, to each their own

      • jbear

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        That’s just it. There is little to no evidence that the white nationalist movement stormed the capital. Or I guess you’re just saying that Trump supporters are white nationalists?

        You believe an untruth and use it as the backbone of your entire argument for lockdowns and states of emergency. You want the government to round up the deplorables based on a lie. It’s twisted.

      • FireLicht2020

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        You’re a moron, that much I’m sure of…

        You don’t think this was a white nationalism movement?

        I’ve got some beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you

      • jbear

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        Pffffffftt! hilarious. This will not age well fire. You take a lack of objectivity to unimagined depths.

        You know there was at least one radical leftist inside the capital because he recorded Ashli Babbitt being shot but you are not open to the idea that any left winger could have had any influence on anything that happened in the capitol.

        At the same time, you heard about some proud boyz guy being there so it’s indisputable that white nationalist stormed the capital in a violent insurrection attempt?

        Do you even hear yourself?

        I suppose I’m putting words in your mouth. But you did just say that I’m a moron if I don’t believe you’re little fantasy land story so I don’t think I’m really putting any words in your mouth.

        There were a lot of people there but when you consider anyone who would vote for Trump a white nationalist then you’ve officially gone completely mad. And you still can’t see it.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear is terrified of a dictatorship.

      But voted for one.

      Supports those that support him.

      Echoes his disinformation.

      He then wonders why we call him a Trumplican? (Along with Greenwald)

      • Coffeeisland

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        We live in a unique time.

        We are witnessing the transition away from free speech. Look no further than other Western countries to see the paved walkway. We are seeing people stop voicing strong support for free speech. Simultaneously we see many of the same people taking up a stance against “hate speech”…now moving on to “incitement speech”. How long before Anderson Cooper or the NYT or liberal politicians broach the subject of the first amendment?

        How long before public sentiment swings in that direction? Put another way, how much closer is that public sentiment now than before the ridiculous impeachment?…who presided over the second liberal jerk fest? That’s weird.

        What is the driving force of public sentiment in 2021?

        One has to be blind to defend anything that has to do with banning conservatives…racist xenophopes…social media accounts.

        //////I just remembered all the crap spewed out about a year or so ago on this board about crazy right wingers spreading rumors that social media is censoring conservative voices….ain’t that a kick in the nuts///////

        Are we foolish enough to turn a blind eye to the obvious coordination between social media and the DNC?

        How exactly was Trump a dictator?

      • FireLicht2020

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        Funny stuff

        Hilarious wrong

        But funny nonetheless

      • Coffeeisland

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        You were one of the dolts ridiculing “the conspiracy theory” of conservative censorship.

        You seriously don’t see any push to get public sentiment in favor of prosecution for “hate speech”? Hate speech that will be defined by those in power at any given time? You don’t see it? Or you don’t have a problem with it?

      • FireLicht2020

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        The conservative censorship that happened because they were peddling lies that created a riot that got people killed?

        Oh you poor thing!

      • FireLicht2020

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        In summary:

        Jbear thinks the reactions to the capitol riots over overblown.

        I cannot fathom this thinking but then again, he think Rand Paul has a spine so… 🤷‍♂️

    • jbear

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      Did any of you watch the video of the cop asking the buffalo guy to leave the senate chamber?

      Did that look anything like the characterizations put out there of an armed insurrection. How many pictures/videos do you have to see of these rioters walking right next to police, inside the capital staying inside the stanchioned walkway?

      You guys are blind.

      I’m not saying what happened isnt wrong. I”m saying the response from you is completely counter productive and insane.

      • Coffeeisland

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        Yes

        It’s hard to believe the officer survived.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Lmfao

        The guard in the chambers simply shows the pass that white people get.

        If that was BLM storming, there would have been many deaths.

        Hard to take you seriously with ridiculous takes like this…

        Picture your response if the shoe was on the other foot.

        Seriously picture this:

        Biden loses but claims victory

        Spreads disinformation to rile up BLM or Antifa

        He gives a rally on certification day

        A crowd of angry black men storm the capitol.

        What would you say?

      • Coffeeisland

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        I’d say the same thing.

        Arrest the rioters.

        Why were the rioters not stopped before it got out of hand?

        Why was additional manpower declined?

        Why is a police officer’s death so devastating now?

        Why was David Dorn’s death of such little significance?

        Why were other deaths from last year’s riots so unimportant to all of you?

        Why were burned city blocks and destroyed businesses so unimportant to you?

        Why were known antifa in the middle of both scenarios?

        Nobody on the right is excusing the violence. The problem is you are putting blame where it does not belong…again.

        The thing is, the shoe is on the other foot. The problem is you are reacting exactly as predicted and will find yourself on the wrong side of history again.

      • jbear

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        The guard in the chambers simply shows the pass that white people get.

        LOL!

        You’d have to say something like that wouldn’t you? I mean, what was I really expecting? You got me on that one Fire, good show! About knocked me off my chair.

      • jbear

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        If things were really that bad, I’d say maybe I need to look in the mirror and try to better understand what they’re complaining about.

        But that’s me…. you keep doing you Fire.

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      Lol

    • Anonymous

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      Weird huh? Mention CoffeeIsland snd he appears

      Lol. Well, as long as some other account is around

      • Coffeeisland

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        Time to spill the beans

        I’m actually CrownlessVirgilBeanPiss. It is my goal to show the world, through my domineering posts on this board, how full of crap the American left is today.

        I kinda remember you having more than a few comments about HCQ.

        You also spelled HCQ wrong.

      • FireLicht2020

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        Said his name 3 times…

        Works like Beetlejuice

      • Coffeeisland

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        Fair warning:

        DO NOT say it 4 times!

      • jbear

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        So you disappear, everyone is happy with that but you come back and start doing shit that you got embarrassed into stopping years ago?

        Were you in a coma? have you lost your memory? Do you need me to dig up some reminders on what it feels like to have your ass handed to you so bad that you….. (Karma, Axcel, Crownless, Incel, Alice and a dozen other usernames) YOU think it’s a good idea to claim everyone who disagrees with you is really just one poster with a hundred alt accounts because how could more than one person think you’re a moron?

        Do you really think that’s a great plan Incel?

    • Coffeeisland

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      Almost forgot.

      Any new “opinions” on the effectiveness of HCQ as a treatment for The Rona. There just might be some “new information” available by some of your “very trusted” sources.

      I really want to put laughing emoji here. But the depravity, selfishness, self righteousness and ego of the American left kinda puts a damper on that thought.

      • FireLicht2020

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        It was all a CONSPIRACY to help Biden win!

        You nailed it!

        It wasn’t that Trump was an awful president. No no no, we need to find blame elsewhere.

        To hell with personal responsibility!

      • Coffeeisland

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        It think you missed the point.

        You say to hell with personal responsibility now.

        But you insisted on getting in the middle of other people exercising their right to be personally responsible for their own well being in your baseless claims of using HCQ last year.

        As for the reason? You tell me

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      Andy Ngo, Rudy G, Hannity and JBear approve!

    • spartan

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      I just read the article. It’s quite a good read all round which some here probably will not like or agree with. I understand that, but, the most important point in the whole article, is a couple of lines which almost gets lost in the detail is why it is important to look at this as the riot it was and not an insurrection. Let alone an armed insurrection. That is, the Govt has almost unlimited powers to deal with an insurrection, and that includes ignoring Habeus Corpus. The right to remain silent, gone. The right to a lawyer, gone. Habeus Corpus, gone. </p>

      Here’s the big scary bit in the Insurrection Act:

      “The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination”</

      All I am going to say is be careful what you wish for.

      • jbear

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        Good post Spartan. Shocking that you could find anything worth thinking about in that horrible Troll article.

      • DCGoth

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        All I am going to say is be careful what you wish for.



        @Spartan

        Most true. To go back further, look at the PATRIOT Act. FWIW, that was basically Carte Blanche to gather people up, send them to Gitmo, Derby them of m rights of due process, and even permitted people to be held without being charged and without access to legal counsel or a hearing. If you were caught up in that, you were there at their discretion.

        This was an overreaction to 9-11, as was the wrongful invasion of Iraq. The US has no one to blame about instability in the Middle East other than the US. (As long as Iraq and Iran were roughly equal, they were happy to just hurl missiles at each other. When Iraq fell, the area destabilised more than it had been in many years.)

        Quick synopsis: The Shah of Iran was friendly with the US. When the hostage situation came about, which also forced the Shah and family to seek asylum, the role Iran changed and the US became The Great Satan. (Pretty certain the the Soviets were hated more in the 70s, due to their occupation in Afghanistan, which dumped weapons and extra wars into the region.)

        Once Iran was against the US, the US started supporting Iraq.

        Yet, I digress.

        The PATRIOT Act showed people what the government could do when given free access to react unchecked. It took years to learn of all of the abuses and such that arose from that Act. It should also be a testament to remind people what happens with you give the military too much power.

        Regardless of where the crazies are coming from, I would not support another Bill like The PATRIOT Act. (I docket doper that one, either).

        One other thing. IIRC, FISA Warrants, which I’m pretty certain most people aren’t happy with these days, are a holdover from the PATRIOT Act. Every time it comes up for another vote, it appears passes with support from both sides of the aisle.

        Should they pass another Act like the PATRIOT Act, I guess it’s time to dust off the Water Boards. 😎

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

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      Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs

    • FireLicht2020

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      A jbear, a coffeeisland, and a spartan walk into bar.

      The bartender says “what are you drinking?”

      All 3 in unison say “look we aren’t Trump supporters, we just get where he’s coming from”.

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        And there were only two voices

      • Coffeeisland

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        You’ve been told before humor is not your thing. It’s clear at this point you will not get better. Please stop

      • Coffeeisland

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        Fire and BeanPiss walk int a bar.

        The bartender says “hey, you guys are not allowed to sit in the back booths or go to the bathroom together anymore”

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      Granted, it’s a bit of a grey area, as the insurrection did occur in the Nation’s Capital.

      That said, the actual attack was on the U.S. Capitol Building, the rule should actually reference The Capitol, and not just the District of Columbia as a whole.

      I guess it’s a grey area, as the insurrection occurred at The Capitol, within the Nation’s Capital.

      I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


       

    • DCGoth

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      other people exercising their right to be personally responsible for their own well being in your baseless claims of using HCQ last year.

      While this wasn’t aimed at me, I wanted to interject one point.

      When you are referencing a chemical substance, legal or otherwise, with respect to its use against a disease, you lose “personal responsibility”. This is, among other things, to keep people away from snake oil salesmen, but also to address that drugs, when used to treat disease, come with regulation. As such, HCQ, as a pharmaceutical, must adhere to federal guidelines.

      By the logic in the comment above, if I’m willing to exert “personal responsibility”, then I should be permitted, under this theory, to treat myself with opiates as I see fit. I should also have the option to use Methaquaalone as a sleep aid. It’s not my fault that some people get addicted, while Quaaludes may, in some people, cause irreversible coma when mixed with the wrong drugs or alcohol. It didn’t happen to everyone, but just a handful of people. As such, I want my ‘ludes back, and I want to drop by the pharmacy, as needed, to pick up a few Oxys.

      I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


       

      • Coffeeisland

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        That or you could use a drug that has been around for decades that has proven to be safe and shown itself effective against The Rona.

        Instead of blindly following the lead of reports that disparage the drug you could listen to physicians that have years of experience prescribing it. You could listen to people when they say the studies that discourage HCQ are flawed and need to be looked at with a critical eye.

        But we get it, Trump said HCQ. That must certainly mean it will kill you.

      • DCGoth

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        That or you could use a drug that has been around for decades that has proven to be safe and shown itself effective against The Rona.

        You missed my point. By the definition, I should be allowed my own right for personal responsibility. I don’t need an anti-malarial; however, I did have scripts for both Quaaludes and various opiates.

        I should be able to just request those drugs, particularly the opiates, as they are still used in the US, and it should be my personal responsibility to use them as I see fit.

        People spew bullshit about addiction and abuse; however, while I’ve done neither, that shouldn’t matter either. If someone it responsibly takes a drug, they do so with all of the consequences. They fucked up, which caused their death. It wasn’t the doctor’s fault. It wants societies fault. They fucked up on their own, and only they suffered the consequences.

        As such it is not up to me to police the planet, or remind people that illicit drugs may contain things such as Fentanyl, which attributes to a number of the ODs. So, I reaffirm that I want my own personal Liberty to use opiates as I desire, and not what is legislated by a group of politicians that don’t even hold medical degrees. (If they were to hold any degree, must have Law Degrees).

        So, I could give a fuck about which politician likes which drugs. They aren’t doctors. I should not be denied free and unhindered access to opiates.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

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      The Javas on tilt

      • spartan

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        He’s still right on this one.

        Let’s face it, the prime reason behind the resistance against HCQ was because Trump said it was a promising treatment. If he had said it sucked, I am pretty sure it would have become the most popular form of treatment.

      • jbear

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        Of course.

      • DCGoth

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        No, it had nothing to do with Trump, other than politicians shouldn’t peddle drugs just because they own stock in a company. They’re also shouldn’t peddle drugs because they are not doctors. I don’t give a fuck what politicians say about medical treatment. If I need drugs, I call my doctor, not my congressman.

        You may be too young to remember, but it used to be illegal to advertise pharmaceuticals on television. (OTC Excluded.) It’s time the country goes back to what is and isn’t allowed in commercials. I don’t want to hear that it can’t be done. Tell that to the Tobacco Industry, or, next time you’re watching The Winston Cup, perhaps you may wonder why it’s no longer called The Winston Cup.

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

      • DCGoth

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        @Spartan

        Nah, HCQ would’ve been bad even if it was recommended by Eleanor Roosevelt and Jonas Salk. It just had no useful effect. When Trump did get the virus, he went right for the Monoclonal Antibodies. He didn’t even consider the HCQ.

        Personally, I wonder why he didn’t try the bleach. 😃

        I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


         

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      strangely familiar?

      “We live in a unique time.

      We are witnessing the transition away from free speech.”

      Coffee?

      Java?

    • FireLicht2020

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      We talking about hydro again?

      I thought we already determined that drug would add 25 years to your life, fix male pattern baldness, and give longer lasting erections?

      Was that another grift?

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      In another thread, there was a dicusssion about the futility of dicussing any topic with a conspiratorial Trumper because every topic is “quicksand,” meaning a dicusskion of an event that occurs now is immediately tied back to a never-ending set of conspiracies.

      Here’s JavaIsland proving that point, complete with the obligatory “its was antifa” reference:

      “Why were the rioters not stopped before it got out of hand?

      Why was additional manpower declined?

      Why is a police officer’s death so devastating now?

      Why was David Dorn’s death of such little significance?

      Why were other deaths from last year’s riots so unimportant to all of you?

      Why were burned city blocks and destroyed businesses so unimportant to you?

      Why were known antifa in the middle of both scenarios?”

      NO DIFFERENT THAN:

      • jbear

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        Oh yeah… who were you talking to? You and Fire figured that all out on your own or did you need to log in one of your alts to chip in?

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      no different than:

      “Hunters’ laptop proves Joe bribed for Burisma

      because Hunter did coke

      and had a business

      because it was actually the Ukraine who interfered in the 2016 election

      and Flynn was framed . .

    • jbear

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      Meanwhile at the white house, as the country burns, someone throws another log on the fire as Uncle Joe takes another nap in his comfy chair.

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      “or did you need to log in one of your alts”

      ^^the Java tell

      like clockwork

      Can you get CoffeeIsland to reply?

    • Anonymous

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      “Uncle Joe takes another nap in his comfy chair.”

      ^^^another pre-existing belief Grenwald plays too

      • jbear

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        I have one question Mr. Republican…. Why does that bother you?

        It doesn’t seem like the kind of post that would anger a recent Republican voter but then again, I don’t know any Repulicans who follow Claire McCaskill…. heck your news feed in general is pretty unique for a Republican. Care to explain that or maybe just log in one of your alt accounts to stick up for you.

    • FireLicht2020

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      New Headline:

      “Local Trumplican Desperate for a Win Revisits “Sleepy Joe” Narrative

      Fox News calls the move “one of the greatest points ever made in human history”

      Rand Paul will be on Hannity at 5pm to discuss just how sleepy Joe really is!

      Greenwald writes op-ed confirming that the liberal media refuses to talk about Joe’s naps!

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      “Why does that bother you?”



      @JBear

      It bothers me like the moon being of cheese bothers me. . . or like Hunter’s laptop bother me. Or like Andy Ngo bothers me,

      LMAO

      Its not even creative. Its like recycling the dumbest of all dumb from a failed presidential campaign because you literally cant come up with anything better . . as your GOP land is falling apart. and you’re getting mocked for having Grenwald lead you around by the testicles? labia?

      • jbear

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        Well good then you can STFU already.

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      @Jbear

      at the same time as I type the “it doesnt bother me “post above, Fire was saying this same thing about you

      ““Local Trumplican Desperate for a Win Revisits “Sleepy Joe” Narrative”

      • jbear

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        That sleepy Joe narrative really bothers you huh.

        Thanks for letting me know.

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      “Its not even creative. Its like recycling the dumbest of all dumb from a failed presidential campaign because you literally cant come up with anything better .”

    • FireLicht2020

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      It’s pathetic that he thinks the sleepy Joe narrative is a “win”.

      Meanwhile Republicans are bitching that he is doing too much too fast.

      Can’t write this shit any better. A fucking clown car.

      • spartan

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        Did you see him in his townhall?

        You might want to revise that estimate!

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      Its a total clown car

    • Col. Klink

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      If Greenwald has been just as critical of the part of the media that helped our previous Traitor-In-Chief perpetuate the myth of a stolen election, which has done a ton more damage to this country, I don’t have a problem with that part of his opinion. Media on both sides are guilty as sin of this type stuff. Was he just as critical, jbear? Saying things like “All this matters because it inherently matters if the media is recklessly circulating falsehoods about the most inflammatory and significant news stories” about the media perpetuating election lies?

      And even though Sicknick looks not to be the victim of a thrown fire extinguisher, it wasn’t because the cowardly bastards weren’t trying. At he 17 second mark after the pussy “patriot” blindsides the officer over the wall

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/video-shows-rioter-throw-fire-extinguisher-at-police-during-capitol-attack/2021/01/14/1e75a543-7c61-43f2-a710-37edde925c0f_video.html

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