Jesus Fire. Were you even bothered to listen to the danged thing? He makes a ton of great points. Maybe we should impeach Bernie Sanders. You can’t go around saying Republicans are trying to kill you (Health care) and then not take responsibility when one of those people actually believes you and tries to kill Republicans.
Look, I don’t know how many ways I can say this but I hate Trump. The thing is that I don’t see Bernie or Joe or Kamala as really any better at all. The thing I’ve been trying to get through to you for years is that you are being suckered in by the politicians spin. It’s true that Trump did a lot of unorthodox and possibly illegal things, it’s true he was dangerous and it’s also true he is an egomaniac of the highest order… a real jerk.
But dangit Fire 80% of the butthurt over the last 4 years was entirely manufactured for political reasons. People like Alice who knowingly led people like you around by the nose, setting you on the flavor of the day outrage for no reason other than that they wanted to get in the way of his pro capitalist anti liberal agenda. And sure, there were reasons to gripe just like there are already reasons to Gripe about Uncle Joe. But at least try to understand that it’s all a show meant to lead you to certain beliefs like for example, the Orange man is a Russian Manchurian candidate any time he talks about peace with Russia or bringing troops home.
I know it was probably on your high school reading list but do us all a favor and re read 1984. I am not trying to imply that we are imminently headed towards that type of dystopian future but the news speak…. the current truth, the ministry of truth. These elements of the story are coming to fruition on a daily basis. Wapo just deleted a negative article about Kamala Harris and replaced it with a new, nice one to reflect the current truth. This shit is happening. You have to decide things for yourself. Look for the spin and at least acknowledge it… get your head around it so you at least know what they want you to think before you decide to agree with them or not. Try to be more objective.
Rand Paul has become a rank and file Republican that frequents Fox News… I’m guessing he will run again in 2024. He’s changing his imagine from sensible Libertarian to alt-right echo chambers really quick… in about 4 years you might say.
Rand Paul & I went to Congress in 2010. We were friends. I voted for him in the 2016 presidential primary. His embrace of Trumpism these past few years is SO disappointing. HE REFUSES TO SAY HERE THAT THE ELECTION WASN’T “STOLEN.” Today’s Trumpist Republican Party is un-American. https://t.co/YpUADDgy1R
Before Trump, I used to think of you as a principled libertarian. I never thought you would, but for some reason you sold out to Trump. And now we have Trump undermining our election, attacking our democracy, and inciting an insurrection. And you refuse to hold him accountable. https://t.co/bwbNTonPpE
@Fire Thank you for posting that Stephanopolis interview. Rand absolutely owned his ass. I was going to post it a few days ago… absolutely loved it.
Rand is using it to fundraise so you can guess how Rand and people like me view this interview. I have to ask again if you even watched it or if you just tuned out as soon as Rand didn’t “admit the election wasn’t stolen” and you got your “I gotcha” moment. He’s talking about liberty. He’s talking about people making up their own minds and finding out the truth. He’s pointing out that a Free media isn’t supposed to behave the way our media is behaving now.
There is election fraud in every single election. That used to be something that everyone on both sides understood. There were all kinds of problems with this election. A lot of them were due to covid and people making decisions on the fly. Some of them were bad actors trying to change a few votes here and there and that was probably on both sides.
Ask yourself why is it that our Free media feels it’s their place to make sure that every person gets the same answer to an unanswerable question? What free society has ever had a media that demanded that everyone believe the state sponsored “truth” and silenced any who disagree?
These are important questions Fire. I’m sure you won’t see it my way but Rand’s stance has nothing to do with Trump. It’s about independence, liberty and Freedom and that is why this interview is being praised by independent thinking people all over the internet. A former Clinton Staffer getting Pwned by one guy with a one track mind when it comes to Freedom.
What wouldn’t you maniacs do to make the enemy pay? And you’re all so good at reciprocating the bs that the circle jerk just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Seriously, what the efff do you morons want? Trump in prison or executed… check, Round up all the depolrables…. check. Stifle free speech when we decide it hurts someone’s feelings or someone might believe something we’ve decided is a lie… check Look the other way when your new hero institutes never ending martial law to stop all the domestic terrorists from attacking the benevolent government…. check
You people are completely out of control and can’t even see it. Insanity.
Trump isn’t the President anymore… I’d think you’d be happy but that is how fascism works. Silence, arrest, beat up or intimidate everyone until nobody has the courage to have an opinion that isn’t sanctioned.
Biggs is back and calling me a soy boy… good to have you back.
You missed out on a lot the past 2 months.
Here’s your recap
Trump got destroyed
He tried to cheat the election
He tried to incite a mob
He refused a peaceful transition of power
He walked away like the biggest bitch of a loser you’ve ever seen
He got banned on social media for being a fuckwad
His boolickers continue to fawn over his voting block
He got impeached
He is still protected by anti-American scumbag Republicans
Biden is your president
Enjoy your crow the next 4 years
I understand the risk associated with suicide etc.
But instead of telling they can’t serve because of the data points, they should see how they CAN serve.
How we view transgender is what causes suicide. Society deems it weird or unusual so the person feels that.
Similar to homosexuality being frowned upon decades ago (and it still is).
So it is self-fullfiling that as we tell transgender that they have a disease/disorder that of course that would lead to depression, which leads to suicide.
I understand the argument, and I disagree with it for the reasons I outlined.
Regarding “you again don’t answer” bs… this happens all the time to me when I make points. People pivot off the main point, start a tangent, ignore the thread, or post an article without articulating their position. You Biggs, do this all the time. Even if your point is “correct” because you’ve flagged down an error within a bigger argument, that doesn’t equate to some total victory in the debate.
So in this instance the argument is whether Rand Paul has become a rank/file Trumpette instead of a Libertarian. Then I used Amash as an example of some that adheres to their libertarian principles… Rand does not.
So whether there are viable medical reasons for a transgender ban, the ban itself doesn’t align with Libertarianism.
THAT is the point. Of course there are two sides to the argument. Fair enough… but that point, right or wrong, doesn’t counter the ORIGINAL point.
This is a debate tactic, and one that you employ all the time. Then you try to get me to chase my tail on it.
I understand the argument, and I disagree with it for the reasons I outlined.
It’s not my opinion that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It’s not an argument, it’s a fact. You don’t get to disagree with facts.
I’m telling you MY OPINION is that in the future articles like that will be laughed at.
That may be what you’re saying now. Earlier in the thread, you were saying it’s an “archaic and insensitive” way of viewing gender. You even scoffed/ridiculed at the idea of viewing it as a mental disorder, when it is in fact viewed as a mental disorder by the psychological community. It’s pretty obvious you had no idea about the gender dysphoria classification, whether you’d like to admit that or not.
It’s neither archaic or insensitive, it’s factual – regardless of your speculation of what may or may not happen in the future.
It’s also worth noting we’re talking about 0.6% of the population. It’s not as big of an issue as the MSM/leftist media would like you to believe.
Tell someone they aren’t normal, make them feel like shit… yeah, that’s gonna fuck with them.
Well, being 0.6% of population makes them abnormal by definition. Being abnormal isn’t inherently bad, but it is a reality. We can address reality by discussing facts or we can ignore reality by discussing feelings. But it won’t change the reality that exists.
Sorry to drag this back down into the mud but you’re even more confused than you usually are. The idea that in 20, 30, 40 years…. once Utopia is achieved, everything anybody wants to do will be treated by everyone else as “normal” because hurting people’s feelings is taboo, is complete nonsense. Maybe if you were talking about a culture that respected the individual above all else then that could at least be a goal.
My understanding of your liberal views however, leads me to see your Utopia in less favorable light. As evidence, the scorn you and other liberals have for any view that you disagree should be exhibit A. So while a current popular liberal view is to celebrate any and all forms of homosexuality or gender dystopia, your benevolence doesn’t work so well when the person with hurt feelings is for example, a Christian who believes homosexuality is a sin. Rather than respecting the individuals right to their own mind, opinions and views, you’ve instead got a list of sanctioned views that you’ve al