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    • Stagger Lee

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      It has long been the position of the US intelligence community that Putin sought “sow discord” in the US as a means of destabilizing the country.

      Trump defended his connection to Putin’s efforts and Putin himself by claiming Russian interference was all a hoax, by HIRING AN ENTIRE CAMPAIGN TEAM OF RUSSIA-CONNECTED PEOPLE, many now indicated or in jail or pardoned by him, by meeting with Putin personally (with no notes) several times, and by doing almost nothing in response to several problems with Russia.

      For four years, Trump basically gave Putin a pass. Now, more Russia truth comes out, this time rom the unfortunate murder of a Judge’s son, the potential attempted murder of a Supreme Court Justice, and from the many Trumpian threats leveled at judges:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/esther-salas-sonia-sotomayor-60-minutes-2021-02-19/

      Federal judge whose son was killed in attack says gunman targeted Sonia Sotomayor
      U.S. District Judge Esther Salas says the FBI found evidence the man who killed her son targeted Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. 60 Minutes reports, Sunday.

      (bottom of the article)

      Threats to federal judges have risen 400% over the last five years to over 4,000 incidents. These include hate mail, phone harassment, protests at their homes and actual attempted murder. The U.S. Marshals, who protect federal judges, are asking for 1,000 more officers at a cost of $250 million. The new bill Salas is supporting is also asking for several million more to upgrade home security systems for judges.

      Whitaker also speaks to Senior District Court Judge James Robart, whose temporary block of then-President Trump’s travel ban resulted in an unprecedented 40,000 messages, including over a hundred death threats. Critics called him a “dead man walking” and posted his phone number and address on social media. President Trump then inflamed the situation by ridiculing Robart as a “so-called judge.”

      “When you call someone a so-called judge, what you do is you attack the judiciary… I thought he had a right to attack my decision. I don’t think that criticizing a judge is acceptable,” he tells Whitaker, adding the threats included harming his family. 

      Investigators discovered thousands of the threats against Robart looked to be from Americans, but were actually from Russia. This doesn’t surprise Suzanne Spaulding, who ran cyber security operations for Republican and Democratic administrations. “If Putin can undermine a significant segment of the population’s willingness to accept a court’s decision, then he can cause chaos in this country,” says Spaulding.”

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Fake News.

      Welcome back, Retard!

    • Roy

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      I think more will come out about the Trump-Russia connection, because there still is still no explanation for why Trump was so unwilling to do anything that displeased Putin.

      It can’t simply be politics. Yes Russia is the only white European oligarchy. So maybe that’s what he’s attracted to. But that doesn’t explain it. Trump turned on his closest allies at the drop of the hat, never gave it a second thought. But he never turned on Putin. Trump stayed loyal to Putin through thick and thin. Sure there were salacious rumors that were probably made up. I have to chalk those up to being fiction. I won’t stoop to the level of the MAGA types like Chron who willingly and enthusiastically spread what they know are lies.

      But even if the rumors are made up, I’m pretty convinced that Putin has something on Trump from the many trips and interactions that he’s had in Russia, something that Trump can’t afford for the public to find out.

      • jbear

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        Finally a perfect example of that Cocoon Alice is always talking about. Thanks Roy.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Wrong Administration.

      biden & his current/former boss let Russia have their way in Ukraine …(AND Syria)!

      Just let’em march right in!

      n Biden & obum armed the people with harmless items.

      Jesus Trump gave them weapons to fightRussia/Putin.

      Take that,
      #CNNclowns
      #MSNBCclowns

    • Stagger Lee

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      “ Erik Prince, Trump Ally, Violated Libya Arms Embargo, U.N. Report Says

      Mr. Prince offered to supply weapons, drones and mercenaries to a Libyan militia commander seeking to overthrow the government, according to U.N. investigators.”

      BETSY DEVOS BROTHER

      BOSS OF INDICTED MURDERERS PARDONED BY TRUMP

      MET WITH RUSSIAN OLIGARCH, LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT IT.

      LOL

    • Stagger Lee

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      Trump the anti war president with a war criminal ally

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Biden getting Ran by Russia/Putin

      “Russia’s Enemies, Critics Blast Biden For Not Halting Russian Pipeline Like Trump Did: ‘Caved To Russia’s Demands’”

      Trash(D)Party “projection” fail, Virgil_ Beanpiss.

    • spartan

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      And apparently I live in a cocoon. Rolls eyes!

    • Stagger Lee

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      @Spartan

      You didn’t even offer anything on the substance?? Your 24 hours is TICKING!!

      :-)

    • Stagger Lee

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      Not a single Trump supporter in this thread responded to the substance. It’s all “fake news!” and shoot the messenger . .lol

    • Roy

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      Chron, you are referring to the pipeline that was 94% completed during the Trump Presidency because of his too little too late sanctions?. And now Biden is supposed to stop the final 6%. OK but the problem is we are pissing off our allies (at least they were allies before Trump) Germany and the EU. The U.S. sanctions against Nord Stream 2, as well as other “secondary” (or “extraterritorial”) sanctions, continue to cause tensions between the EU and the United States and foster debates in Europe about how to protect European sovereignty against perceived U.S. sanctions overreach Yes Russia benefits but its a gas pipeline, not a computer hack of the US defense department. I’m not sure the US has the right or ability to ultimately stop it.

    • Roy

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      As for the Russian hacking sanctions, stay tuned.

    • spartan

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      Just reading this made it all pointless;

      “because there still is still no explanation for why Trump was so unwilling to do anything that displeased Putin.”

      • Stagger Lee

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        well, the alternative would be you offer your explanation.

        I can think of one: Trump naively thought he could be the one to use his personal relationship with Putin to reverse years of cold war standoff

        the same kind of insane hubris that worked so well with North Korea ;-)

        I think the expression is “useful idiot.”

      • spartan

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        Explain what? That Trump was somehow colluding with Putin to threaten US Judges?

        To think you have the gall to suggest I believe in “lunatic conspiracy theories”

        You need to let go and move on, you really do. Trump is so far up your ass he’s picking your nose.

      • Stagger Lee

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        Or alternatively you need to learn to read?

        Trump was colluding with Russia to whack judges?

        Lmao.

        Russia has been trying destabilize the US by spreading discord, racial animosity, distrust of institutions etc. One very easy way to do so was Trump because he helped them grow distrust over the electoral process

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      “Welcome back, Virgil_Retard!!”

    • Stagger Lee

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      @Spartan

      There’s no way you’re that dumb or read that poorly

      • spartan

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        So what point were you trying to make then tying in Trump to the article?

        What do you want me to comment on? That Trump gave the Russians a pass?

        2019
        Dec 5
        Sanctions – In response to $100 million bank hacking scheme
        A Russian-based cybercriminal organization called “Evil Corp” was sanctioned for using malware to steal more than $100 million from banks and financial institutions.

        Sep 30
        Sanctions – In response to 2018 election interference attempt
        Four entities and seven individuals, including Russian financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin, were sanctioned over attempted interference in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections.

        Sep 26
        Sanctions – In response to sanctions-evading scheme for Syria
        The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control identified Moscow-based Maritime Assistance LLC as the head of a “sanctions evasion scheme” to deliver jet fuel to Syria.

        Aug 2
        Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
        The U.S. Department of State announced more sanctions against Russia over its use of a nerve agent in Salisbury in 2018. The sanctions fall under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act and mean the U.S. will oppose loans and assistance by international financial institutions, and restrictions on the export on Department of Commerce-controlled goods and technology.

        May 16
        Sanctions – In response to human rights abuses
        A Chechen group and 5 Russian individuals were sanctioned under the Magnitsky Act over allegations of human rights abuses, including extrajudicial killings and the torture of LGBT people.

        May 14
        Meeting – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow, Russia
        May 1
        Statement – On democracy in Venezuela
        President Trump denounced Russia’s continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

        Apr 24
        Statement – In response to Russian assault on Ukraine’s sovereignty
        The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia’s decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

        Mar 15
        Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued aggression in Ukraine
        6 Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

        Mar 14
        Statement – In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
        The U.S. Department of State condemned Russian offensive operations against northern Hama and southern Idlib in Syria.

        Mar 11
        Sanctions – In response to dealings with Venezuela
        The United States sanctioned Evrofinance Mosnarbank, a Moscow-based bank jointly owned by Russian and Venezuelan state-owned companies, for attempting to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Venezuela.

        Mar 4
        Notice – Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine
        President Trump announced the continuation for one year of the national emergency declared with respect to Ukraine.

        Feb 27
        Statement – On Russian occupation of Crimea
        Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia’s illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

        Feb 1
        Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
        The U.S. administration announced it would suspend its obligations under the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty because Russia was not complying with it.

        Jan 29
        Release – Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community
        U.S. intelligence officials delivered their annual assessment of global threats to national security to Congress, identifying cooperation between China and Russia as their top concern.

        2018
        Dec 21
        Statement – Increasing security assistance to Ukraine’s navy
        The U.S. Department of State announced it would provide an additional $10 million in Foreign Military Financing to further build Ukraine’s naval capabilities in response to Russian attacks near the Kerch Strait.

        Dec 19
        Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued disregard for international norms
        18 Russian individuals were sanctioned for their involvement in a wide range of malign activities, including attempting to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, efforts to undermine international organizations through cyber-enabled means, and the Skripal attack in the United Kingdom.

        Dec 7
        Statement – In response to Russian false allegations on chemical weapons use in Aleppo, Syria
        The U.S. Department of State refuted Russia’s and the Assad regime’s false accusations that the opposition and extremist groups conducted a chlorine attack in northwestern Aleppo.

        Dec 4
        Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
        Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the U.S. would withdraw from the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 60 days if Russia did not return to compliance.

        Nov 26
        Statements – In response to dangerous escalation in the Kerch Strait
        Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley condemned Russia’s decision to intercept, fire on, and seize three Ukrainian navy vessels in the Black Sea.

        Oct 19
        Indictments – In response to attempted interference in U.S. political system
        A Russian woman was charged for her alleged role in a conspiracy to interfere in the U.S. political system, including the 2018 midterm election.

        Oct 4
        Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
        7 officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) were charged for their involvement in hacking Olympic athletes, anti-doping organizations, and chemical weapons monitors.

        Sep 20
        Sanctions – In response to malicious activities
        33 Russian individuals and entities were sanctioned for their role in U.S. election interference and their involvement in supporting military operations in Syria and Ukraine. A Chinese entity and its director were also sanctioned for purchasing jet fighters and missiles from Russia.

        Sep 12
        Executive Order – Imposing sanctions for election interference
        President Trump signed an executive order imposing sanctions on any nation or individual who authorizes, directs, or sponsors meddling operations in U.S. elections. The order would allow for the freezing of assets and the limiting of foreign access to U.S. financial institutions, as well as a cutoff of U.S. investment in sanctioned companies.

        Sep 6
        Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
        The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, Canada, and the United Kingdom, reiterating its outrage at the use of a chemical nerve agent in Salisbury and expressing full confidence in the British assessment that the suspects were officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU).

        Aug 21
        Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
        2 Russian individuals, a Russian company, and a Slovakian company were sanctioned for helping another Russian company avoid sanctions over the country’s malicious cyber-related activities.

        Aug 21
        Testimony – Assistant Secretary of State A. Wess Mitchell before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
        Aug 8
        Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
        The U.S. administration announced it would restrict remaining sources of foreign assistance and arms sales to Russia, and deny U.S. credit to Russia, including through the Export-Import Bank. Restrictions would also prohibit the export of security-sensitive goods and technology.

        Jul 25
        Testimony – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
        Jul 25
        Declaration – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issues Crimea Declaration
        Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced a formal policy reaffirming the U.S. rejection of Russia’s annexation of Crimea. The announcement was released an hour before his scheduled testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

        Jul 16
        Meeting – Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, Finland
        Jul 13
        Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
        12 Russian intelligence officers were sanctioned for their involvement in hacking the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign.

        Jul 11-12
        Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium
        Jun 11
        Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
        5 Russian entities and 3 individuals – all closely linked to Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) – were sanctioned.

        Apr 6
        Sanctions – In response to worldwide malign activity
        7 Russian oligarchs and the companies they own or control, 17 senior Russian government officials, and a state-owned Russian weapons trading company (and a bank it owns) were sanctioned for their roles in advancing Russia’s malign activities – including the continued occupation of Crimea, engaging in cyberattacks, and supporting Assad’s regime.

        Mar 26
        Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in Washington and Seattle
        48 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian embassy in Washington were expelled, and the Russian consulate in Seattle was ordered to close, in response to the Skripal poisoning in the United Kingdom.

        Mar 25
        Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in New York
        12 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian Mission to the United Nations in New York were expelled for actions deemed to be abuses of their privilege of residence.

        Mar 15
        Sanctions – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
        5 Russian entities and 19 individuals were sanctioned for conducting a series of cyberattacks and interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections.

        Mar 15
        Alert – In response to Russian government cyber activity
        The Department of Homeland Security and FBI issued a joint Technical Alert on Russian government actions targeting U.S. government entities, as well as organizations in the energy, nuclear, commercial facilities, water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors.

        Mar 15
        Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
        The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, and the United Kingdom strongly condemning the Salisbury nerve agent attack and suggesting Russia was responsible for it.

        Mar 14
        Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
        The U.S. administration issued a statement expressing its solidarity to the United Kingdom over the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, and sharing its assessment that Russia was responsible for it.

        Mar 4
        Statement – In response to Russian and Syrian regime attacks on Eastern Gouta, Syria
        The U.S. administration condemned the military offensive that the Assad regime, backed by Russia and Iran, had been conducting in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta region.

        Mar 4
        Poisoning – Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, England
        Feb 16
        Indictments – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
        3 Russian entities and 13 individuals were indicted for conducting information operations to influence the 2016 U.S. elections.

        Feb 15
        Statement – In response to “NotPetya”
        The U.S. administration condemned the Russian military for launching a destructive cyberattack in June 2017, also known as “NotPetya.”

        Feb 13
        Statement – Proposing sanctions on Latvian bank involved in illicit Russian-related activity
        The Department of the Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network proposed a new rule to ban ABLV Bank AS, Latvia’s third-biggest bank, for its involvement in illicit Russia-related activity.

        Feb 7
        Military Action – In response to attack on U.S.-held base in Deir Ezzor, Syria
        U.S. troops killed hundreds of Syrian forces backed by Russian mercenaries (as well as Russian private military contractors). The American bombing was launched in response to a surprise attack on a U.S.-held base in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region in Syria.

        Jan 29
        Release – Russian ‘Oligarch list’
        The Department of the Treasury released a list of the most significant senior foreign political figures and oligarchs in the Russian Federation that could potentially be at risk of sanctions (114 senior political figures close to Russian President Putin and 96 oligarchs with a net worth of $1 billion or more).

        Jan 26
        Sanctions – In response to Ukraine conflict
        21 individuals and 9 entities were sanctioned in connection with the conflict in Ukraine and Russia’s occupation of Crimea.

        Jan 19
        Release – National Defense Strategy
        The Department of Defense released its National Defense Strategy, identifying Russia and China as strategic competitors to the United States.

        2017
        Dec 22
        Announcement – Provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine
        The U.S. administration approved a plan to provide Ukraine with enhanced defensive capabilities to help it fight off Russia-backed separatists.

        Dec 20
        Sanctions – Global Magnitsky Act
        52 people and entities from Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and elsewhere were sanctioned for alleged human rights violations and corruption.

        Dec 19
        Export restrictions – In response to INF Treaty violation
        The Department of Commerce announced new licensing and export restrictions on Russian companies Novator and Titan-Barrikady over production of a cruise missile prohibited by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF).

        Dec 18
        Release – National Security Strategy
        The White House released its National Security Strategy, identifying Russia and China as adversarial to the United States.

        Nov 10-11
        Meeting – APEC Economic Leaders’ Summit in Da Nang, Vietnam
        Oct 27
        Release – Guidance on CAATSA Section 231(d)
        The Department of State issued public guidance on the implementation of Section 231 of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017 (CAATSA). The guidance specified 39 entities that the Department of State determined are part of – or are operating on behalf of – the Russian defense or intelligence sectors.

        Sep 13
        Ban – Government use of Kaspersky Labs software
        The U.S. administration banned the use of Kaspersky Labs software on government computers due to Kaspersky’s ties to Russian intelligence services.

        Aug 2
        Legislation – President Trump signs Russia sanctions bill into law (CAATSA)
        President Trump signed into law the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions act (CAATSA), enacting new sanctions on Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

        Jul 7-8
        Meeting – G-20 Summit in Hamburg, Germany
        May 26-27
        Meeting – G-7 Summit in Sicily, Italy
        May 24-25
        Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium
        Mar 15
        Indictments – In response to 2014 Yahoo hack
        Three Russian individuals were charged for the 2014 Yahoo hack, including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).

    • Stagger Lee

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      @Spartan

      Post the link to the list?

      :-)

    • Stagger Lee

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      You left off the intro. That omission is necessary to knockdown your straw man

      Here’s the intro

      “ The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric.”

      Your straw man

      “ That Trump gave the Russians a pass?”

      You double up by equating administration policy with Trump when the article itself points out that Trump’s words – his lack of words, actually – were inconsistent with the policy moves

      TRUMP intentionally downplayed and actually denied that Russia was interfering with the US. Simple example:

      “ During news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.
      “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be,” he replied.”

      He also REPEATED Putin’s lie that it was the Ukraine

      “ President Donald Trump once stated explicitly that he believes that it was Ukraine – not Russia – that meddled in the 2016 election because Russian President Vladimir Putin “told me,”

      The point of this thread (not the point made by another poster in this thread) is that Russian destabilizing efforts in the US were and are real, something Trump repeatedly denied for personal political reasons

      Here’s another example

      “ President Donald Trump has refused to condemn Russia over the poisoning of opposition figure Alexei Navalny, saying he has not seen proof.
      He said the case was “tragic” but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.
      Nato and Germany say there is “proof beyond doubt” that Mr Navalny was attacked with a Novichok nerve agent.”

      Over and over and over again

      That was actually the point in the intro you omitted

      :-)

    • Stagger Lee

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      Trumps conduct in office was ALWAYS about his personal political fortunes. He strong armed Ukraine for reelection, as an easy example

      He even suggested that Russian bounties was a fake news plot against him lol

      “ The Russia Bounty story is just another made up by Fake News tale that is told only to damage me and the Republican Party,” Trump said in a tweet on Wednesday. “The secret source probably does not even exist, just like the story itself. If the discredited @nytimes has a source, reveal it. Just another HOAX!”

      Responding to Trump, McFaul in a tweet said, “Trump said the exact same thing about the overwhelming U.S. intelligence that documented Putin’s interference in our 2016 presidential election. He always sides with Putin; never with his own intelligence officers or soldiers.”

      Lmao

      He even chose Putin over US intel

      “ “I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today,” Trump said during a joint news conference after he spent about two hours in a room alone with Putin, save for a pair of interpreters.”

    • Stagger Lee

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      Trump made a joke out of Putin meddling in the election – an undisputed fact now – and then tried to say the day after that he wasn’t joking when obviously he was

      “ Don’t meddle in the election, president,” Trump said as cameras clicked and reporters shouted questions.

      When an interpreter translated Trump’s “request,” Putin laughed.”

    • Stagger Lee

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      Trump openly defended Putin himself several times but notably on Fox with Bill OReilly

      “ “But he’s a killer,” O’Reilly said to Trump.

      “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?” Trump replied.

      A clip of the exchange was released Saturday and the full interview aired Sunday before the Super Bowl.

      It was an unusual assertion coming from the President of the United States. Trump himself, however, has made similar points before.

      “He’s running his country and at least he’s a leader, unlike what we have in this country,” Trump told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” in December 2015.”

    • Stagger Lee

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      Election interference again

      “In regards to the issue of Russian interference in the election, Trump reiterates, “It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

      His words

      Russia is 1000% a US adversary that has been working to reduce American influence and that succeeded more than ever during the Trump years in part because of Trumps treatment of Putin

    • spartan

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      You left off the intro. That omission is necessary to knockdown your straw man

      Here’s the intro

      “ The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric.”

      Your straw man

      “ That Trump gave the Russians a pass?”

      Or perhaps I’m a believer that actions are more important than words? You should know all about that. Your man Biden making a whole lot of promises that you are OK with him not following through with and all!

      If Trump had given Putin a “pass’, then he wouldn’t have actually DONE anything about it. But despite what he said, or you think he said, apparently he did quite a bit to PUNISH Putin and his associates.

      “You double up by equating administration policy with Trump when the article itself points out that Trump’s words – his lack of words, actually – were inconsistent with the policy moves”

      Just want to give you a gentle reminder that “the administration” was “Trumps Administration”. Therefore “the administration” was following the policies and directives of Trump. There is also the tactic in International Diplomacy where you say nice things to encourage good behavior and to demonstrate that you are not trying to inflame things more than you have to.

      Then there is the aspect of Trump going off script and running his mouth which can’t be discounted. Sometimes doesn’t help :)

      • Stagger Lee

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        @spartan

        Keep working on it. You’ll figure it out … or not

        1. True or False:

        Putin trying to destabilize US?

        2. True or False:

        I posted multiple examples of Trump denying that fact?

    • jbear

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      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9289703/State-Department-spokesman-gets-heated-exchange-AP-reporter.html

      Here’s a response to your “substance”

      Biden is already trying to take credit for the Trump administration work against Russia. I couldn’t make it up. You literally believe nothing that hasn’t been spoon fed to you by Claire McCaskill’s man servant.

      And you’ve probably never heard of any of this because your sources are the ones that give you the D good, R bad talking points for you to regurgitate with all your friends…. or random strangers on the internet.

      You’re so dumb.

      • Stagger Lee

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        “ Spin, hyperbole and deception: How Trump claimed credit for an Obama veterans achievement
        President Trump has told mistruths about the 2014 VA Choice Act more than 156 times, seeking to deny the contributions of rivals including Barack Obama and John McCain.”

      • spartan

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        And this has what to do with the current conversation?

      • Stagger Lee

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        Yes because you bozos are trapped.

        Because Trump was such an historic shit show it will be impossible for you to criticize the current President without being confronted by your silence when Trump did something similar or worse

        *taking story at face value

    • Stagger Lee

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      @JBear crocodile tears?

      Didn’t see that coming

      Lol

    • Stagger Lee

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      On the substance (or lack there of) from @JBear’s post … what an embarrassing stretch lol. It’s Price talking about the State Dept. he says it right on the article

      JBear, just tired of looking bad so you found a headline that made you feel good?

      Hunter Biden laptop!!!

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