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      Doug Martin is Healthy, but the Buccaneers Should Use Their Other Running Backs As WellBy Nick John - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:07 pmdoug_zpsdb9d3bbe.jpgDec 29, 2013; New Orleans, LATampa Bay Buccaneers running back Bobby Rainey (43) runs against the New Orleans Saints during the first half of a game at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. Derick E. Hingle-USA TODAY SportsIn Doug Martin’s rookie season, he saw himself in a rare role in today’s NFL: the team’s workhorse running back. The workhorse is supposed to do it all; run inside and outside, pass protect, catch passes, and run routes out wide on occasion. They’re supposed to do all of that, all of the time. They are the sole occupants of their backfield…when healthy. Unless your name is Adrian Peterson, you’ll probably need a break from the action every once and a while. In 2013, Doug Martin found that out the hard way. Martin is now entering his 3rd season in the NFL, after spending much of his 2nd campaign on injured reserve with a torn labrum in his shoulder. Prior to his injury, the former Boise St. product had been taking a beating behind an underperforming offensive line, and not getting much of a break to allow his fellow running backs to take some of the load off. The workhorse lifestyle was taking its toll on the Muscle Hamster, who’s production dropped greatly from year one to year two. Luckily for him, he shouldn’t be asked to do it all anymore. doug2_zps5227d25e.jpgNov 11, 2013; Tampa, FL Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Mike James (25) runs with the all against the Miami Dolphins during the first quarter at Raymond James Stadium. Kim Klement-USA TODAY SportsMartin’s injury may have proved to be a blessing in disguise for the Buccaneers, who needed to see what their other backs were capable of. Rookie RB Mike James was the first to get his shot, and he did not disappoint. James averaged 4.9 yards per carry in 2013, which included an extremely impressive outing against the stingy Seattle Seahawks defense, and a great start the following week against the Miami Dolphins before succumbing to an injury of his own. James recorded 156 yards on 28 carries against the Super Bowl champ, and was averaging 8.2 yards per carry on Monday Night Football against Miami before the injury bug bit him. Next in line was Bobby Rainey, a rookie undrafted free agent out of Western Kentucky, who came flying out of the gates against the division rival Atlanta Falcons. In what was actually Brian Leonard’s first start of the season, it was Rainey who ran for 163 yards on 30 carries, and scored a total of 3 TDs. He logged another outstanding performance against the Buffalo Bills just a few weeks later, rushing for 127 yards on 22 carries, with one TD. Behind these three are former Florida star Jeff Demps, and Utah State standout Michael Smith. Both players have yet to make their impact felt with the Buccaneers. They will get the chance to begin impressing the new regime once camp starts. Clearly, Tampa Bay has some talent at running back behind Doug Martin, and they would be foolish not to get as much production as they can out of each of them. James ran well in limited action. Rainey showed that he has breakaway speed when given a hole to run through. We know Demps, being an olympic track star, has speed that could change the game. The Buccaneers would be smart to utilize their strengths, and not feel limited to giving the ball to Doug Martin on every down. Sure, he’s the guy. There’s no questioning that. He should start every game for the Bucs in 2014 if he’s healthy (he’s been cleared to play already, so that should not be an issue). However, to feel as if they are pigeon-holed into having Martin carry the whole load would be naive. You remember Cadillac Williams, don’t you? He’s the guy that Jon Gruden picked to be his workhorse back. He’s the same guy who was used repeatedly until both of his knees literally gave out on him. He had all of the talent in the world, but never had anyone to give him a break once Mike Alstott hung it up. Even before A-Train called it quits, Gruden handed Williams the ball over 30 times a game. No matter how much talent one guy has, he shouldn’t be the only back touching the ball. The Buccaneers have too much talent and untapped potential in their other running backs to only use Doug Martin.http://thepewterplank.com/2014/04/05/doug-martin-healthy-buccaneers-use-running-backs-well/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Trending%20on%20FS

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      I think that’s kinda the plan this year. Martin will get upto 20 touches while others get the balance. That seems to be what I’ve heard that Tedford plans to do this year.

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      What a sissy.  Caddy handled that role, why can’t Martin?    If he is only going to be a part time back, they should only give him half his salary.

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      Lache Seastrunk come on down….

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      Love our running back stable ….use them all. ...and if Demps dedicates to football again instead of being a part-timer , look out.

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      Lache Seastrunk come on down....

      no.

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    • Anonymous

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      What a sissy.  Caddy handled that role, why can't Martin?    If he is only going to be a part time back, they should only give him half his salary.

      yeah thats true - but how long did Caddy last, Java? 

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      What a sissy.  Caddy handled that role, why can't Martin?    If he is only going to be a part time back, they should only give him half his salary.

      The cold hearted truth is runningbacks are a dime a dozen.  Doug is the 18th highest cap # Buc for 2014 though, so it's hard to argue he's overcompensated currently.  His rookie deal does pay him like a marginal rotational back.  From a team stand point, might as well feed him as many carries/touches as his play warrants.  There is absolutely no reason to "save" a running back, and even less reason to pay one.  The Saints are a great example of a team that has acquired/drafted well and rotated backs.  What has it gotten them?  5th and 6th round draft picks in return when contracts end or they need more cap space elsewhere.  I think that's honestly about the best a team can hope for.The Bucs have not acquired specialized role type running backs.  Maybe one can develop into a great threat out of the backfield in the passing game.  Or one will emerge as a great short yardage/goalline runner.  I kind of doubt it, seems like we have 3 of the same guy and then a track guy in Demps.  So if we don't have specialists, might as well grind on the guy who gives us the best results (seems most likely to be Doug). 

      yeah thats true - but how long did Caddy last, Java?

      Far better to blow out the tires on their rookie deal then risk being stupid enough to pay one and then have them hit the wall. 

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      1. Nowhere in this thread is there a quote from Martin backing up these claims. The writer is making baseless assumptions that being the workhorse was too much for Doug and that it was “taking a toll” on him. Zero actual evidence that that was the case. 2. The writer seems to be trying to tie Martin's shoulder injury to the opinion that he was being overworked and it was somehow an accumulative damage. This is complete nonsense. Unless there is some evidence to prove otherwise, Martin's shoulder injury was a completely separate event and had nothing to do with him being a work horse in 2012. He jumped up to make a circus catch 30 yards down field and came down awkwardly on his shoulder. Had nothing to do with anything else besides that one play. 3. Lovie has specifically said that he believes in having a workhorse and Doug will be that workhorse......so this entire article is crap imo. I like our backfield a lot and I hope that we do find a way to use everyone, but none of those guys have ever come close to doing the things Martin has. You don't want good RBs on the field too often when you have a great one on the sideline. And seeing as Lovie said the complete opposite when it comes to this subject, there is no valid reason to draw any conclusions about us being a RB by committee offense. This entire article seems like it was only written to meet some sort of mandatory quota and didn't actually have anything interesting or important to say.

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      Going to disagree with you JDouble about Martin being a great one. He is an above average running back, but not “great”.

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      He was unquestionably great as a rookie. We’ll see what happens moving forward.

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      You remember Cadillac Williams, don’t you? He’s the guy that Jon Gruden picked to be his workhorse back. He’s the same guy who was used repeatedly until both of his knees literally gave out on him. He had all of the talent in the world......

      He did??

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      The Saints are a great example of a team that has acquired/drafted well and rotated backs.  What has it gotten them?  5th and 6th round draft picks in return when contracts end or they need more cap space elsewhere.  I think that's honestly about the best a team can hope for.

      Do you really consider trading a 2nd rd pick to move up and grab Mark Ingram a great example of acquiring a back?

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      Caddie was overused as a rookie but still had less than 300 rushing attempts. In the rest of his career he had just 6 games where he carried the ball more than 20 times. His knees did not blow out due to overuse as the writer says. One more reason this guy is a hack imo and this article is bogus.

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      I’m obviously excited about Martin coming back but I can’t wait to see what we can do with Rainey this season.  He’s quick, small but stout and seems to have good vision.  I think he might be our Darren Sproles.  Pairing him up with Martin and James is going to be fun to watch.

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      You remember Cadillac Williams, don’t you? He’s the guy that Jon Gruden picked to be his workhorse back. He’s the same guy who was used repeatedly until both of his knees literally gave out on him. He had all of the talent in the world......

      He did??

      Not 1st round talent.  If he came out of college today, he'd be a 3rd rounder.Heart on the other hand?  I wish we could've put Cadillac's heart in Freeman's body.  Then you might actually have a football player.

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      I feel like some forget what Martin did when he was healthy, while it may be hard to say he’s “great” because of the injury that set him back, but when he was healthy he was a top 5 back easily if you ask me, while James and Rainey played well last year, i’m sorry they are not on Martin’s level when he is a full go.

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      I feel like some forget what Martin did when he was healthy, while it may be hard to say he's "great" because of the injury that set him back, but when he was healthy he was a top 5 back easily if you ask me, while James and Rainey played well last year, i'm sorry they are not on Martin's level when he is a full go.

      I don't think we've seen enough of James or Rainey to make that statement however what we have seen pleases me. They've both earned the right to see significant playing time.

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      Rainey played enough games where I can see he is not on the level of Martin, James is solid but in my opinion not in Martin’s level, go watch the Oakland game and see if either of those two rb’s can take a game over like Martin did, the kid was an absolute stud his rookie year and I doubt any scout in the league would say James/Rainey are on his level.

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      Pretty sure you will see the RB position go DOWN in average salary relative to the cap.  Less and less money will be thrown at that position.  CJ will be lucky to get 4-5 mill.

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      Rainey played enough games where I can see he is not on the level of Martin, James is solid but in my opinion not in Martin's level, go watch the Oakland game and see if either of those two rb's can take a game over like Martin did, the kid was an absolute stud his rookie year and I doubt any scout in the league would say James/Rainey are on his level.

      To be fair tho... Our offensive line thrashed that Oakland defense all game.

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      Wut

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      The bottom line is with James and Rainey in the fold, we don’t need to lean solely on Martin.  We have depth and quality at the position.  Doug is clearly the starter and will get the most carries but James and Rainey should and will get there share as well.  Also, the best way to limit the wear and tear on Doug is an improved OL that lets him get to the second level

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      Rainey played enough games where I can see he is not on the level of Martin, James is solid but in my opinion not in Martin's level, go watch the Oakland game and see if either of those two rb's can take a game over like Martin did, the kid was an absolute stud his rookie year and I doubt any scout in the league would say James/Rainey are on his level.

      To be fair tho... Our offensive line thrashed that Oakland defense all game.

      no doubt!!

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      I feel like some forget what Martin did when he was healthy, while it may be hard to say he's "great" because of the injury that set him back, but when he was healthy he was a top 5 back easily if you ask me, while James and Rainey played well last year, i'm sorry they are not on Martin's level when he is a full go.

      +1Football fans have short memory spans. Martin is an amazing well rounded RB and everyone will be reminded of that this year.....assuming we find someone to play OG.  ::)

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      What a sissy.  Caddy handled that role, why can't Martin?    If he is only going to be a part time back, they should only give him half his salary.

      are you serious man ? Look what ended up happening to Caddy, we need to protect our players from career ending injuries.. this is entertainment, it's a game, get real and be a human.

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      Caddy Roadhouse !!!

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      1. Nowhere in this thread is there a quote from Martin backing up these claims. The writer is making baseless assumptions that being the workhorse was too much for Doug and that it was "taking a toll" on him. Zero actual evidence that that was the case. 2. The writer seems to be trying to tie Martin's shoulder injury to the opinion that he was being overworked and it was somehow an accumulative damage. This is complete nonsense. Unless there is some evidence to prove otherwise, Martin's shoulder injury was a completely separate event and had nothing to do with him being a work horse in 2012. He jumped up to make a circus catch 30 yards down field and came down awkwardly on his shoulder. Had nothing to do with anything else besides that one play. 3. Lovie has specifically said that he believes in having a workhorse and Doug will be that workhorse......so this entire article is crap imo. I like our backfield a lot and I hope that we do find a way to use everyone, but none of those guys have ever come close to doing the things Martin has. You don't want good RBs on the field too often when you have a great one on the sideline. And seeing as Lovie said the complete opposite when it comes to this subject, there is no valid reason to draw any conclusions about us being a RB by committee offense. This entire article seems like it was only written to meet some sort of mandatory quota and didn't actually have anything interesting or important to say.

      QFTThis article was utter nonsense.

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      1. Nowhere in this thread is there a quote from Martin backing up these claims. The writer is making baseless assumptions that being the workhorse was too much for Doug and that it was "taking a toll" on him. Zero actual evidence that that was the case. 2. The writer seems to be trying to tie Martin's shoulder injury to the opinion that he was being overworked and it was somehow an accumulative damage. This is complete nonsense. Unless there is some evidence to prove otherwise, Martin's shoulder injury was a completely separate event and had nothing to do with him being a work horse in 2012. He jumped up to make a circus catch 30 yards down field and came down awkwardly on his shoulder. Had nothing to do with anything else besides that one play. 3. Lovie has specifically said that he believes in having a workhorse and Doug will be that workhorse......so this entire article is crap imo. I like our backfield a lot and I hope that we do find a way to use everyone, but none of those guys have ever come close to doing the things Martin has. You don't want good RBs on the field too often when you have a great one on the sideline. And seeing as Lovie said the complete opposite when it comes to this subject, there is no valid reason to draw any conclusions about us being a RB by committee offense. This entire article seems like it was only written to meet some sort of mandatory quota and didn't actually have anything interesting or important to say.

      QFTThis article was utter nonsense.

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      Do these people even watch games? He underperformed because there was some terrible blocking. He only got hurt because he was sent out on a dumb passing play one too many times. Pewterplank is lower on the hierarchy than JoeBucsFan.

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          Offensive line last year was very offensive to Bucs’ fans…

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      You remember Cadillac Williams, don’t you? He’s the guy that Jon Gruden picked to be his workhorse back. He’s the same guy who was used repeatedly until both of his knees literally gave out on him. He had all of the talent in the world......

      He did??

      Not 1st round talent.  If he came out of college today, he'd be a 3rd rounder.Heart on the other hand?  I wish we could've put Cadillac's heart in Freeman's body.  Then you might actually have a football player.

      I am not as down on Caddy as some here are. He was way overdrafted. If he was a mid round or late round pick, he would of been good value. I think its just common sense to spread the work around with the current RB's on the roster. A change of pace can be a good thing during the game. The QB play will determine a lot. If defenses are shutting McCown or Glennon down, it will be a long day for any of our RB's. Getting some good QB play, will be great for Dougie and Co.

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      You remember Cadillac Williams, don’t you? He’s the guy that Jon Gruden picked to be his workhorse back. He’s the same guy who was used repeatedly until both of his knees literally gave out on him. He had all of the talent in the world......

      He did??

      Not 1st round talent.  If he came out of college today, he'd be a 3rd rounder.Heart on the other hand?  I wish we could've put Cadillac's heart in Freeman's body.  Then you might actually have a football player.

      I am not as down on Caddy as some here are. He was way overdrafted. If he was a mid round or late round pick, he would of been good value. I think its just common sense to spread the work around with the current RB's on the roster. A change of pace can be a good thing during the game. The QB play will determine a lot. If defenses are shutting McCown or Glennon down, it will be a long day for any of our RB's. Getting some good QB play, will be great for Dougie and Co.

      That all depends on the offense. If they arent smart enough to use single back sets and run when the defense goes into nickle it wont matter. The coaches have to create an advantage for the player. Something our offenses have not done in a very long time. I hope Licht brings some of this common sense with him from Arizona. If you read Bruce Arian's post game comments after the Cardinals beat us last season he said he was surprised we didnt use single back sets to exploit their weakness in their nickle defense. We didnt. We lined up against that beast 3-4 run defense with TE's and FB's and got destroyed. 27 carries for 45 yards for the poor Midget Hampster. That game destroyed him. Schiano's lack of a clue ... thinking he could ride his horses instead of out-scheming anyone like the crap he did at Rutgers. How did that work ? Martin - out. Mike Williams - out and got messed up so bad he went retarded.Even VJax was busted up. James - out.Thank God he is - out.

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