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    • Kermit56

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      “Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages.”

      https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

      They are trying their best to make Orwell’s 1984 a non-fiction book.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Dems wanting to monitor/censor text messages.

      Republicans wanting to put cameras in classroom to insure only certain “approved” curriculum is taught.

      The 2-party system at its finest.

      While trying to f*ck each other, the citizens are the actual recipients.

      Good stuff, ‘Merica!

    • Biggs3535

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      Dems wanting to monitor/censor text messages.

      Republicans wanting to put cameras in classroom to insure only certain “approved” curriculum is taught.

      I’d argue those are two different things, as communications between two private citizens should be protected and publicly funded schools are, well, publicly funded. There are already cameras all over the place in public buildings for a variety of reasons, and I don’t see why a publicly funded school classroom should be any different.

      Now, I disagree with putting those cameras in for the express purpose of monitoring teachers lessons, but there are certainly other valid reasons (security, fights, arguments, etc.) to do so.

      The 2-party system at its finest.

      While trying to f*ck each other, the citizens are the actual recipients.

      Good stuff, ‘Merica!

      Yeah, I don’t doubt many from either side of the aisle would actually have a problem with monitoring private citizens communications. Hell, that’s why Bush and company created the Department of Homeland Security. They both love Big Government.

    • FireLicht2020

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      I see Kermit caught selective outrage.

      If this makes it so my phone stops getting bullshit political texts and calls, maybe that’s the upside?

      Got one last week that said “covid is a hoax. Reply yes if you agree. Data rates may apply”.

      Pretty rad

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      Now, I disagree with putting those cameras in for the express purpose of monitoring teachers lessons, but there are certainly other valid reasons (security, fights, arguments, etc.) to do so.

      This is what I was referring to. I should’ve worded it better.

      Yeah, I don’t doubt many from either side of the aisle would actually have a problem with monitoring private citizens communications. Hell, that’s why Bush and company created the Department of Homeland Security. They both love Big Government.

      100%

    • Roy

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      Kermit, just a point of fact here. Censoring means preventing you from saying something, not fact checking you. Fact checking is not preventing you from expressing yourself. Hope that clears things up for you.

    • Kermit56

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      Yeah right. Try pissing down another person’s back and tell them it’s raining. You think the only act the gov’t will take is fact checking, and not suppress with info of which they don’t agree?

    • Kermit56

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      I see Kermit caught selective outrage.

      And I see you don’t know what you’re talking about—still.

    • spartan

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      Kermit, just a point of fact here. Censoring means preventing you from saying something, not fact checking you. Fact checking is not preventing you from expressing yourself. Hope that clears things up for you.

      Let’s just say for arguments sake you are correct and all that happens is a pop up directing the recipient to some FAQ. Are you seriously saying that you are OK for your provider to monitor your every text for some “incorrect” mention of Covid at the direction of the Govt? This same Govt that said masks are good, then masks are not necessary and then masks are good once more?

      You think it would stop there? What next? What about hate groups? Why don’t we monitor for reference to them. REAL scary.

      And to think not more than a couple of days ago people were ridiculing the possibility of the NSA reading our emails.

    • jbear

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      Republicans wanting to put cameras in classroom to insure only certain “approved” curriculum is taught.

      That was just Tucker Carlson right? I hear what you’re saying but the real party of censorship right now is the Democratic party. Long gone are the days when conservatives could conceive of getting away with censoring ungodly opinions, lifestyles or deviance. Any conservative with a lick of sense needs to be hanging on to individual liberty with every last drop of strength for their own good. The way things are going its only a matter of time before religious conservatives are a small enough minority for the progressives to really go after. It’s already outrage when a Christian has the nerve to believe homosexuality is a sin……

    • jbear

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      I see Kermit caught selective outrage.

      If this makes it so my phone stops getting bullshit political texts and calls, maybe that’s the upside?

      Got one last week that said “covid is a hoax. Reply yes if you agree. Data rates may apply”.

      Pretty rad

      That’s it! Cancel free speech! I’m very annoyed and it’s for our own good.

      • FireLicht2020

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        When I block those numbers I guess I’m canceling free speech. Who knew?

        Guess we should continue to let scamming robodialers spam our phones and prey on the week.

        Regulation is necessary in life… I know you’d love to live in a lawless utopia, but that isn’t reality

    • jbear

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      When I block those numbers I guess I’m canceling free speech. Who knew?

      Guess we should continue to let scamming robodialers spam our phones and prey on the week.

      Regulation is necessary in life… I know you’d love to live in a lawless utopia, but that isn’t reality

      Lawless Utopia? Again you show your ignorance. I and many others like me place more emphasis on the courts and the legal system than progressives do. You guys just want to use authoritarianism to order this and decree that on every issue where you see a wrong and it’s a lot of issues where you see things you don’t like and think you can fix. You view the slow creep of legal precedent as a problem when it gets in the way of progressive Utopia.

      Of course you can block the texts don’t be obtuse. What you should have a problem with is the government deciding which texts to block largely based on politics. Of course you don’t have a problem with this because you trust the government and want them to rule over you to keep you safe from everything and make sure you get your human right to an Obama phone and minimum income for doing nothing. This is the definition of authoritarianism.

      I suppose to an authoritarian, what I want does look like lawlessness.

    • spartan

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      I guess its all OK for now because it’s all aimed at Trump, but ….

      First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
      Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    • FireLicht2020

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      I get the slippery slope argument… but this for me is just another talking head talking point and y’all are ready and waiting with your confirmation bias.

      As always, the answer is in the middle…

      But as everything with the right, any regulation = 1984

      Like literally, any hint of a regulatory body you view as a dystopia.

      Cracks
      Me
      Up

    • spartan

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      But as everything with the right, any regulation

      But this has absolutely nothing to do with regulating. This is about monitoring the communication of Citizens, which is currently illegal, and then the Govt deciding if you can or cannot see that communication. Or, if you can actually see that communication, only after it has gone through some official filter and authorized in some shape of form. i.e. The great Chinese firewall?

      This should not be a partisan issue, other than it is apparently being suggested by the DNC, but should be sending shivers down the spines of all Americans.

      • FireLicht2020

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        I wasted all my shivers on Jan 6th, sorry 🙃

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Wow, Virgil_CatfishFire2021 having to get the last word on 8 different threads.

      Don’t you have some worthless tweets to share with us, Virg?

    • Kermit56

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      I wasted all my shivers on Jan 6th, sorry 🙃

      I’m sorry to hear that.

    • spartan

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      I wasted all my shivers on Jan 6th, sorry 🙃

      I guess you support the Cuban Govt then.

      You are saying that anything and everything is legitimate as long as it is directed at Republicans? The full weight of Govt can be brought to bear to isolate, demonize and alienate them?

      To what extent would you authorize discrimination against them?

      • This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by spartan.

    • FireLicht2020

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      I’m saying that your fears are in the wrong place.

      Oh wait your “shivers”.

    • spartan

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      I’m saying that your fears are in the wrong place.

      Why?

      To repeat, here is what the Politico article said:

      “the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages.”

      The article btw was pro-vaccine and was about poo pooing people not taking the vaccine. So this was an “aside”, maybe even a slip of the tongue. But, what it requires is for your provider to monitor your communications for “misinformation” as outlined by the Govt and then to take some form or corrective action. And you say this is no reason to be concerned?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Surly you realize that not all speech is protected?

      But to some extent I agree that censorship is the wrong approach. I’d rather they allow them to do it with fines for disinformation.

      I’m trying to understand why this push to label the vaccine is so highly sought after in certainly right-wing circles…?

      What is the end game?

    • spartan

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      I’m trying to understand why this push to label the vaccine is so highly sought after in certainly right-wing circles…?

      In terms of this thread, it is just a vessel to demonstrate a point.

      For example in the latest Psaki press conference she points out that 12 people are “still active” on facebook and implies that they should not be. Unless they are doing something illegal or inherently dangerous, I don’t see that as a role of Govt. In fact, I think it is a dangerous road to tread when the Govt is essentially advocating the “cancelling” of people because they don’t like what they say. She also advocates for Facebook to “promote” a quality feed algorithm which removes harmful data. That sounds a bit like stuff they don’t agree with.

      I can see you making the argument that “misinformation” about the vaccines is dangerous, but should that not be up to the people to decide? Particularly how the Govt recommendations have been back and forth over the last year or so. Unless it is on the lines of “inject yourself with bleach” I don’t think the Govt should get involved, let alone advocate censorship. Govt whistleblowers for example usually shine a spot light on things the Govt doesn’t want us to know. So they (the Govt) are not always right or in the right.

      I do however have no problem with the Govt advocating their position and promoting it any which way they can. Even if I don’t agree with it :)

      • This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by spartan.

    • Biggs3535

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      Biggs3535 wrote:

      Now, I disagree with putting those cameras in for the express purpose of monitoring teachers lessons, but there are certainly other valid reasons (security, fights, arguments, etc.) to do so.

      This is what I was referring to. I should’ve worded it better.

      And then I see stuff like this and think that maybe this is another valid reason to add cameras to classrooms:

      Brainwashing.

    • Roy

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      You don’t even know that

      Biggs3535 wrote:

      Now, I disagree with putting those cameras in for the express purpose of monitoring teachers lessons, but there are certainly other valid reasons (security, fights, arguments, etc.) to do so.

      This is what I was referring to. I should’ve worded it better.

      And then I see stuff like this and think that maybe this is another valid reason to add cameras to classrooms:

      Brainwashing.

      But you have no idea if that is a public school do you? It could be a private school or a private college. In fact the way she is talking it seems like this is the subject matter and not some added commentary by the teacher, which would indicate its not just a garden variety public high school class.

    • Biggs3535

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      But you have no idea if that is a public school do you? It could be a private school or a private college.

      No idea. But it definitely validates the notion that this bullshit happens.

      In fact the way she is talking it seems like this is the subject matter and not some added commentary by the teacher, which would indicate its not just a garden variety public high school class.

      Not really. We have no idea what the class is supposed to be, but I’m pretty sure the class isn’t supposed to be CRT 101. If the teacher was worth a shit, we should be able to know exactly what the subject of the class is. The kid is recording for a reason, presumably this isn’t the first time the SJW teaching the class is trying to brainwash her students. Hell, listen to her talk about “reading the class” while she’s signaling her virtue. This is pretty clearly a normal subject for her to discuss.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Disinformation is dangerous… censoring it isn’t the answer but again… how do you stop scam artists if we allow robodialing and texts to spam lies… some lies are harmless. Some lies are half truths. Some lies get people killed. Some lies are just annoying…

      Speech isn’t always free… speech has consequences. So in my mind you don’t censor it you punish it.

    • ISLAND BUCS

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      Fire:

      One of the problems with punishment is who decides what is right.

      In the 1500s one was in trouble if he said the world is round?

      Today one is in trouble if he says global warming, at best, is only a little bit affected
      by man

      Remain intimately at the heart of experience.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Man… there’s the slippery slope argument then there’s you….the slipin-slide with baby oil argument.

      Biden connected to Mao

      Vs

      Trump connected to Hitler

      On a spectrum, what is closer?

    • ISLAND BUCS

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      Fire:

      Gosh, is comparing Trump to Biden all you can do.

      This is not about Biden, and it is not about Trump.

      This is about setting a level of punishment (your idea)

      for something that is considered dangerous today,

      and may turn out not to be dangerous tomorrow.

      Remain intimately at the heart of experience.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Ok fair…

      Consequences are an deterrent… like a law or fine etc.

      Do I have a better solution for the countless scam artists I have to block every single day (I literally get 2-4 texts and 4-5 calls a day that are a scam).

      My credit report has a hard block on it.

      So idk, what do you got outside of do nothing?

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