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    • jbear

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      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/28/sen-tim-scott-says-us-isnt-racist-gop-rebuttal-biden-address/7386476002/
      Karma, how is this possible? You say America is racist through and through. In fact I thought everyone who thought differently was stupid…. or maybe just not understanding all your facts and what the Truth is that only you know.
      Is Tim Scott Stupid?

      Is he an Uncle Tim?

      That term was somehow trending on twitter last night and it’s very hilarious. Uncle Tim! It’s so odd because the racists are Republicans and Tim Scott is a Republican making the Republican rebuttal to the Benevolent Democrat leaders speech in front of 50 people. So you wouldn’t think these republicans would get something racist like this to trend on twitter. It’s not actually that easy to get something to trend on twitter. It seems there may be a lot of unaccounted for racists out there, which is a little scary. We know it can’t be the good guys doing something like that. Uncle Tim… That’s really funny.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Again, the wins are few and far between.

      Enjoy this one! Big time victory!

      • jbear

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        But who would make something so racist trend on twitter?

        I’m beginning to have my suspicions about that one…… Fire, what were you doing last night around 11pm EST?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Didn’t watch any of the speeches last night. I cancelled my cable…

      Saw the highlights. Biden did well…
      I think we can put the bunker Joe narrative to death.

      Ted Cruz fell asleep.

      Republicans complained about unity.

      Tim Scott seems like a decent guy but we all see through the optics of having him respond to Biden.

      “Uncle Tim” is counter-productive but also racism doesn’t exist, remember…

      Oh wait….NOW it exists.

      I’m sure if I listen closely I can hear Greenwald’s banshee call on this topic. I’m sure it’s up there with Psaki cookie-gate

      • jbear

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        I never said prejudices don’t exist I just say you can’t correct that with another injustice. Tim Scott gets this. It’s unfair that he probably does get pulled over more often because of his color. He realizes that and I realize that. That is why he’s been working on criminal justice reform for quite some time.

    • jbear

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      Tim Scott – “Our public schools should have reopened months ago,” Scott said. “Other countries’s did. Private and religious schools did. Science has shown for months that schools are safe.”

      Whaaaatttt!!!! That Uncle Tim! a Covid denier too! Those white racists really did a number on that poor dumb black idiot.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Another “expert” that knows more than the experts.

      Schools would be open already if we took covid seriously to begin with… think about the stupidity of an arsonist complaining how the fire is put out

    • KarmaPolice

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      Honest questions, @JBear

      1. did you expect that GOP Tim Scott to say anything other than what he said?

      I mean, HIS PARTY is largely (not exclusively, obviously) the group under fire for racism. He is part of a party that has mostly white (lone African American Senator in GOP), heavily rural/southerner “law and order” constituency. His paryt has actual racists in it and includes (albeit on the fringe) white nationalists

      2. If AOC says the Green New Deal is salvation for America, do you believe it?

      In other words, if we all want someone to parrot our own beliefs, we can find that person. Simple math and actual experience with your eyes and ears would tell MOST people that the United States absolutely has a race problem. For goodness sake, just one a surface leve:

      1. there were WORLDWIDE protests after George Floyd
      2. Arbery was effectively lynched in GA (and his killers almost got off with nothing)

      Simple math:

      https://newrepublic.com/article/159589/conservatives-systemic-racism-denial

      The Right’s Farcical Denial of Systemic Racism
      Conservatives simply ignore a vast amount of evidence documenting its existence.

      lOOK AT THE STATITICAL EVIDENCE

    • FireLicht2020

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      Calling him Uncle Tim is counter productive. Period.

      Gotta be better than that…

      But on the other hand Candace Owen of the world… Tim Scott, Ben Carson… they are adding to the problem because this to them is about career opportunity for themselves… not about the common black man/woman.

      That’s why it gets such strong backlash. The optics of having the lone black senator be used as a political pawn to give folks like jbear the “see! Not racist” narrative.

      He’s being used and he knows it and he’s fine with it because it will help his career.

      Not the common black person…

    • jbear

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      Another “expert” that knows more than the experts.

      Schools would be open already if we took covid seriously to begin with… think about the stupidity of an arsonist complaining how the fire is put out

      Hey Fire schools are open. Just not in all the really good places. lol

      Look, I don’t mean to be a jerk in fact most of this stuff is just me trying to use irony and sarcasm to make the point. I think that gets lost sometimes when I go on these rants.

      But I think we are living in two completely different worlds. My kids have been in school the entire year. The school year started in August and never stopped once. In my daughter’s pre school they never had a sigle case of a child having covid. There was one teacher who was a twenty something year old girl really who probably got it partying with her friends.

      In my son’s Jr High school he was quarantined 3 times which amounted to about a week out of school each time. He never had covid in any of those instances but when a student would test positive the school would call the parents of students who sat near the students in classes or assigned lunch seating. It’s been a complete success. He’s had a complete school year including extracurricular activities including sports.

      On top of that my son has been playing travel basketball since December. In fact he played in a tournament a few weeks ago against my congressman Byron Donalds son. Yes he’s a republican thank goodness or he’d get kicked out of the DNC for letting his kid play a game against other kids where they actually make physical contact and gulp… don’t even wear masks!

      • jbear

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        And they aren’t even vaccinated! Because they’re 13 years old.

    • jbear

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      Tim Scott – “It’s backwards to fight discrimination with different types of discrimination, and it’s wrong to try to use our painful past to dishonestly shut down debates in the present.”

      Hey look, this guy gets it on race and discrimination.

    • KarmaPolice

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      @JBear

      you’re saying two contradictory things

      You’re crediting Scott for repackaging an Affirmative Action defense (“It’s backwards to fight discrimination with different types of discrimination”) but supportive (apparently, because you’ve never condemned it) of Trump saying “when the looting starts the shooting starts,” which is . . . YOU GUESSED IT .. a phrase from 1967 race riots.

      In other words, one cannot say that a remedy is unfair while still perpetrating/supporting the conduct that led to the remedy

      • jbear

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        Weak Karma. This has nothing to do with Trump just because the entire Universe revolves around Trump in your head doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone.

    • Charles

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      I bet he told all the other Black Senators as well…uhhhh…

      TOKEN. How obvious is it that they send the LONE black republican to speak.

      How transparent. Republicans… the party of old racist boomers that will be dying off soon enough.

      • jbear

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        Here we are again, Thank you Charles.

        This is the narrative that people like Karma push even when karma wouldn’t put it in quite the same way, he rails against the enemy believing unfounded things about socialism for example but when the lemmings on the left believe whole heartedly that Tim Scott must be bought and paid for because Republicans are racists old rich white guys, we don’t hear a peep.

        It’s not so different from the a Trumper believing Joe Biden is corrupt or Nancy Pelosi is controlled by the radical left but when they say that it’s a problem and when Charles and Fire admit that they believe rude shit with no evidence, no facts just “obviously no black person could believe that” we get crickets.

    • jbear

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      Calling him Uncle Tim is counter productive. Period.

      Gotta be better than that…

      But on the other hand Candace Owen of the world… Tim Scott, Ben Carson… they are adding to the problem because this to them is about career opportunity for themselves… not about the common black man/woman.

      That’s why it gets such strong backlash. The optics of having the lone black senator be used as a political pawn to give folks like jbear the “see! Not racist” narrative.

      He’s being used and he knows it and he’s fine with it because it will help his career.

      Not the common black person…

      Dropping the act here… in all seriousness that’s pretty screwed up that you think that’s true.

      It’s more proof that the partisan world views that are destroying this country are not all on one side as you guys seem to think. Partisans on both sides are bonkers and believe condescending, rude, unfounded, evidence free bullshit about their enemies.

    • KarmaPolice

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      On Tim Scott, he is form Charleston City Council.

      Why does that matter? One of the most norotiosu white/black police cop shooting, the Walter Scott case . HE KNOWS IT WELL

      On top of that, he was actually INVOVED DIRECTLY . . . directly . . in a DOJ Voting Rights Acts case where he defended the allegedly racist voting process by saying, in essence, that black people are still adequately represented by white people. He claime dthta he wa proof of that in reverse because he was black and voted into the counsel by a haevily white constituency

      you know what hapened in that case?

      the DOJ won

      you know why?

      because the black people in the district HAD NOT VOTED FOR HIM (ie he would not have bene their choice and here he was WORKING AGAINST THEM. Proof of the DOJ’s point

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      who is to say what is in the guy’s heart (eg is he Candace Owens? who knows?), but its simply UNDENIABLE . . undeniable . . that his views are NOT representative of the black community at all

      If he runs back then as a Dem he probably doesnt get elected. he was elected . . in SOUTH CAROLINA . . almost exclusively by white voters. There’s probably something to that JUST AS IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT that he is front and center on this issue

    • KarmaPolice

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      If you need a less complicated opinion than that then just ask why there is a thread talking about Tim Scott? Ask yourself why the GOP had him as the rebuttal?

      It’s should be undeniable, but feel free to deny it here if you want, that his race is used to BOLSTER his credibility ON RACE. That’s the very nature of his entire career in politics.

    • KarmaPolice

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      If Tom Cotton offers the same rebuttal?

    • jbear

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      On Tim Scott, he is form Charleston City Council.

      Why does that matter? One of the most norotiosu white/black police cop shooting, the Walter Scott case . HE KNOWS IT WELL

      On top of that, he was actually INVOVED DIRECTLY . . . directly . . in a DOJ Voting Rights Acts case where he defended the allegedly racist voting process by saying, in essence, that black people are still adequately represented by white people. He claime dthta he wa proof of that in reverse because he was black and voted into the counsel by a haevily white constituency

      you know what hapened in that case?

      the DOJ won

      you know why?

      because the black people in the district HAD NOT VOTED FOR HIM (ie he would not have bene their choice and here he was WORKING AGAINST THEM. Proof of the DOJ’s point

      ***************************

      who is to say what is in the guy’s heart (eg is he Candace Owens? who knows?), but its simply UNDENIABLE . . undeniable . . that his views are NOT representative of the black community at all

      If he runs back then as a Dem he probably doesnt get elected. he was elected . . in SOUTH CAROLINA . . almost exclusively by white voters. There’s probably something to that JUST AS IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT that he is front and center on this issue

      First it was proof that republicans were racist that they didn’t vote for black candidates now it’s proof that that they do.

      Anyway again you are grouping people based on race. He can’t represent black people because he’s a Republican. You can balk at that but it’s the single biggest issue I have with Democrats on Race. There are a lot of Black Republicans and I think it’s insulting to say that they can’t represent black people if they aren’t Democrats.

      It’s insulting to all Black people even those who are Democrats. A black person can’t be for smaller government? Pro business? lower taxes? A black person has to see government handouts in black communities as some sort of boon for the community? A lot of people disagree and many of them are black or brown.

      I posted a long time ago about I guy I heard speak who goes by the name of Ishmael Hernandez. He’s the founder of a charity called the Freedom and Virtue institute. They essentially go into schools in bad neighborhoods and set up “self reliance clubs”. Not everyone sees the world the way you do Karma. This guy believes that those handouts help to enslave the people in those poor communities and many others think the same thing.

      Oh but he’s not representative of the group “black people” because most of them vote for Democrats? It’s just an insulting viewpoint. Things are never going to get any better in this country until Democrats get the crap beat out of them on this issue. I’d love to see somebody like Tim Scott get the Republican nomination. I don’t agree with him on everything but this race distinction bs has got to end. We are all Americans who all say we want equality. Democrats are not giving anyone equality they are sewing division to prop up their political party.

    • KarmaPolice

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      e. He can’t represent black people because he’s a Republican

      I didn’t say that. I said Black people said the didn’t vote for him in a VRA case.

      Also, what is more racist than MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE trying to bolster an opinion ON RACE by having a black person deliver the opinion ESPECIALLY WHILE AVOIDING ACTUAL FACTS TO THE CONTRARY?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear – look at the optics.

      Tim Scott is the only black senator.

      One

      Not two, or three, or four, or five.

      One

      Island used to do this shit… look Candace Owens said _____. And SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK AND FOR NO OTHER REASON their message is used to poke holes is systemic issues.

      Candace thinks this… Tim thinks that… Ben thinks this…

      Thus black people think _____.

      It is undeniable that the modern GOP needs the MAGA voting block to hang on by a thread. It is the party of old white dudes, scared to lose their power.

      Is it fair to say “Uncle Tim”? Fuck no… because it gives you dingbats a “gotcha” moment.

      I’m not black so I can’t say… but outside looking it, this is a condescending lecture that “it isn’t that bad” from a guy so far removed from anything that a common black person deals with…that it becomes a fucking joke to hear him say this canned shit

    • KarmaPolice

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      sewing division to prop up their political party

      Like embracing white nationalist?

      Do you hear yourself?

    • KarmaPolice

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      Pointing out racism is propping up
      A party. Embracing racists is not?

      Good grief

    • FireLicht2020

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      Shocked

    • jbear

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      e. He can’t represent black people because he’s a Republican

      I didn’t say that. I said Black people said the didn’t vote for him in a VRA case.

      Also, what is more racist than MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE trying to bolster an opinion ON RACE by having a black person deliver the opinion ESPECIALLY WHILE AVOIDING ACTUAL FACTS TO THE CONTRARY?

      I think what you just said is way more racist than letting a black guy state his opinion, even despite all your facts that he must not know about.

      I jest. ;)

    • jbear

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      sewing division to prop up their political party

      Like embracing white nationalist?

      Do you hear yourself?

      Fiction.

      Nobody embraces white Nationalists. It’s disingenuous to call a group like proud boys “white Nationalists” if that’s what you’re trying to say. It’s just like a lot of things these days, people believe what they’ve been fed and some of those people have been fed the lie that Proud boys are white nationalists. They are a bunch of assholes but they are a bunch of assholes of many different races founded by a Hispanic. The first think I think of regarding this group is some of the anti women stuff and engaging Antifa. Like nobody in their right mind would want to punch one of those black shirted fascists in the face unless they’re racist? because Antifa means well.

      /Rant

    • spartan

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      Saw the highlights. Biden did well…
      I think we can put the bunker Joe narrative to death.

      Like when he introduced the First Lady and her husband the Second Gentleman .

      • jbear

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        Hey that was a joke. And so was the stammering and incoherent sentences that have been glossed over today.

    • spartan

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      Also, what is more racist than MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE trying to bolster an opinion ON RACE by having a black person deliver the opinion ESPECIALLY WHILE AVOIDING ACTUAL FACTS TO THE CONTRARY?

      And how can white people be more inclusive if we don’t start including?

    • spartan

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      I think what you just said is way more racist than letting a black guy state his opinion, even despite all your facts that he must not know about.

      I jest. ;)

      Glad you do. But it’s atypical of your limousine type liberal who “know what’s right for minorities.” Like they don’t know what’s right for themselves.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?

    • jbear

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?

      I could go many different ways with this but just on a base political level, obviously Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnel, heck even some of the Rich fascist white Republicans who I like such as Mike Lee are going to be fileted by people like you and Fire because they are the hated white male. Take a little responsibility for your predicament.

      In this very thread you and the others have posted this exact “viewpoint” I use the term losely, to say that Republicans are racist white guys.

      But there are other more rude ways to attack this statement if push comes to shove.

    • KarmaPolice

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      Racism is a weird thing. The lengths people go to in avoidance.

      In this thread there is an article with numerous examples of systemic racism

      I will add another easy one: 18 police departments, including some of the biggest in the country voluntarily entered into race-related consent decrees rather than face Justice Dept scrutiny

      All those facts. All that evidence

      And yet, two Trumpers, both white, wanna talk about Tim Scott’s opinion

      😉

    • KarmaPolice

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?

      I could go many different ways with this but just on a base political level, obviously Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnel, heck even some of the Rich fascist white Republicans who I like such as Mike Lee are going to be fileted by people like you and Fire because they are the hated white male. Take a little responsibility for your predicament.

      In this very thread you and the others have posted this exact “viewpoint” I use the term losely, to say that Republicans are racist white guys.

      But there are other more rude ways to attack this statement if push comes to shove.

      So that’s a no

      Appreciate the honesty

    • KarmaPolice

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?



      @Spartan
      ?

    • jbear

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