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    • jbear

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      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/28/sen-tim-scott-says-us-isnt-racist-gop-rebuttal-biden-address/7386476002/
      Karma, how is this possible? You say America is racist through and through. In fact I thought everyone who thought differently was stupid…. or maybe just not understanding all your facts and what the Truth is that only you know.
      Is Tim Scott Stupid?

      Is he an Uncle Tim?

      That term was somehow trending on twitter last night and it’s very hilarious. Uncle Tim! It’s so odd because the racists are Republicans and Tim Scott is a Republican making the Republican rebuttal to the Benevolent Democrat leaders speech in front of 50 people. So you wouldn’t think these republicans would get something racist like this to trend on twitter. It’s not actually that easy to get something to trend on twitter. It seems there may be a lot of unaccounted for racists out there, which is a little scary. We know it can’t be the good guys doing something like that. Uncle Tim… That’s really funny.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Again, the wins are few and far between.

      Enjoy this one! Big time victory!

      • jbear

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        But who would make something so racist trend on twitter?

        I’m beginning to have my suspicions about that one…… Fire, what were you doing last night around 11pm EST?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Didn’t watch any of the speeches last night. I cancelled my cable…

      Saw the highlights. Biden did well…
      I think we can put the bunker Joe narrative to death.

      Ted Cruz fell asleep.

      Republicans complained about unity.

      Tim Scott seems like a decent guy but we all see through the optics of having him respond to Biden.

      “Uncle Tim” is counter-productive but also racism doesn’t exist, remember…

      Oh wait….NOW it exists.

      I’m sure if I listen closely I can hear Greenwald’s banshee call on this topic. I’m sure it’s up there with Psaki cookie-gate

      • jbear

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        I never said prejudices don’t exist I just say you can’t correct that with another injustice. Tim Scott gets this. It’s unfair that he probably does get pulled over more often because of his color. He realizes that and I realize that. That is why he’s been working on criminal justice reform for quite some time.

    • jbear

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      Tim Scott – “Our public schools should have reopened months ago,” Scott said. “Other countries’s did. Private and religious schools did. Science has shown for months that schools are safe.”

      Whaaaatttt!!!! That Uncle Tim! a Covid denier too! Those white racists really did a number on that poor dumb black idiot.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Another “expert” that knows more than the experts.

      Schools would be open already if we took covid seriously to begin with… think about the stupidity of an arsonist complaining how the fire is put out

    • Anonymous

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      Honest questions, @JBear

      1. did you expect that GOP Tim Scott to say anything other than what he said?

      I mean, HIS PARTY is largely (not exclusively, obviously) the group under fire for racism. He is part of a party that has mostly white (lone African American Senator in GOP), heavily rural/southerner “law and order” constituency. His paryt has actual racists in it and includes (albeit on the fringe) white nationalists

      2. If AOC says the Green New Deal is salvation for America, do you believe it?

      In other words, if we all want someone to parrot our own beliefs, we can find that person. Simple math and actual experience with your eyes and ears would tell MOST people that the United States absolutely has a race problem. For goodness sake, just one a surface leve:

      1. there were WORLDWIDE protests after George Floyd
      2. Arbery was effectively lynched in GA (and his killers almost got off with nothing)

      Simple math:

      https://newrepublic.com/article/159589/conservatives-systemic-racism-denial

      The Right’s Farcical Denial of Systemic Racism
      Conservatives simply ignore a vast amount of evidence documenting its existence.

      lOOK AT THE STATITICAL EVIDENCE

    • FireLicht2020

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      Calling him Uncle Tim is counter productive. Period.

      Gotta be better than that…

      But on the other hand Candace Owen of the world… Tim Scott, Ben Carson… they are adding to the problem because this to them is about career opportunity for themselves… not about the common black man/woman.

      That’s why it gets such strong backlash. The optics of having the lone black senator be used as a political pawn to give folks like jbear the “see! Not racist” narrative.

      He’s being used and he knows it and he’s fine with it because it will help his career.

      Not the common black person…

    • jbear

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      Another “expert” that knows more than the experts.

      Schools would be open already if we took covid seriously to begin with… think about the stupidity of an arsonist complaining how the fire is put out

      Hey Fire schools are open. Just not in all the really good places. lol

      Look, I don’t mean to be a jerk in fact most of this stuff is just me trying to use irony and sarcasm to make the point. I think that gets lost sometimes when I go on these rants.

      But I think we are living in two completely different worlds. My kids have been in school the entire year. The school year started in August and never stopped once. In my daughter’s pre school they never had a sigle case of a child having covid. There was one teacher who was a twenty something year old girl really who probably got it partying with her friends.

      In my son’s Jr High school he was quarantined 3 times which amounted to about a week out of school each time. He never had covid in any of those instances but when a student would test positive the school would call the parents of students who sat near the students in classes or assigned lunch seating. It’s been a complete success. He’s had a complete school year including extracurricular activities including sports.

      On top of that my son has been playing travel basketball since December. In fact he played in a tournament a few weeks ago against my congressman Byron Donalds son. Yes he’s a republican thank goodness or he’d get kicked out of the DNC for letting his kid play a game against other kids where they actually make physical contact and gulp… don’t even wear masks!

      • jbear

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        And they aren’t even vaccinated! Because they’re 13 years old.

    • jbear

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      Tim Scott – “It’s backwards to fight discrimination with different types of discrimination, and it’s wrong to try to use our painful past to dishonestly shut down debates in the present.”

      Hey look, this guy gets it on race and discrimination.

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      @JBear

      you’re saying two contradictory things

      You’re crediting Scott for repackaging an Affirmative Action defense (“It’s backwards to fight discrimination with different types of discrimination”) but supportive (apparently, because you’ve never condemned it) of Trump saying “when the looting starts the shooting starts,” which is . . . YOU GUESSED IT .. a phrase from 1967 race riots.

      In other words, one cannot say that a remedy is unfair while still perpetrating/supporting the conduct that led to the remedy

      • jbear

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        Weak Karma. This has nothing to do with Trump just because the entire Universe revolves around Trump in your head doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone.

    • Charles

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      I bet he told all the other Black Senators as well…uhhhh…

      TOKEN. How obvious is it that they send the LONE black republican to speak.

      How transparent. Republicans… the party of old racist boomers that will be dying off soon enough.

      • jbear

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        Here we are again, Thank you Charles.

        This is the narrative that people like Karma push even when karma wouldn’t put it in quite the same way, he rails against the enemy believing unfounded things about socialism for example but when the lemmings on the left believe whole heartedly that Tim Scott must be bought and paid for because Republicans are racists old rich white guys, we don’t hear a peep.

        It’s not so different from the a Trumper believing Joe Biden is corrupt or Nancy Pelosi is controlled by the radical left but when they say that it’s a problem and when Charles and Fire admit that they believe rude shit with no evidence, no facts just “obviously no black person could believe that” we get crickets.

    • jbear

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      Calling him Uncle Tim is counter productive. Period.

      Gotta be better than that…

      But on the other hand Candace Owen of the world… Tim Scott, Ben Carson… they are adding to the problem because this to them is about career opportunity for themselves… not about the common black man/woman.

      That’s why it gets such strong backlash. The optics of having the lone black senator be used as a political pawn to give folks like jbear the “see! Not racist” narrative.

      He’s being used and he knows it and he’s fine with it because it will help his career.

      Not the common black person…

      Dropping the act here… in all seriousness that’s pretty screwed up that you think that’s true.

      It’s more proof that the partisan world views that are destroying this country are not all on one side as you guys seem to think. Partisans on both sides are bonkers and believe condescending, rude, unfounded, evidence free bullshit about their enemies.

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      On Tim Scott, he is form Charleston City Council.

      Why does that matter? One of the most norotiosu white/black police cop shooting, the Walter Scott case . HE KNOWS IT WELL

      On top of that, he was actually INVOVED DIRECTLY . . . directly . . in a DOJ Voting Rights Acts case where he defended the allegedly racist voting process by saying, in essence, that black people are still adequately represented by white people. He claime dthta he wa proof of that in reverse because he was black and voted into the counsel by a haevily white constituency

      you know what hapened in that case?

      the DOJ won

      you know why?

      because the black people in the district HAD NOT VOTED FOR HIM (ie he would not have bene their choice and here he was WORKING AGAINST THEM. Proof of the DOJ’s point

      ***************************

      who is to say what is in the guy’s heart (eg is he Candace Owens? who knows?), but its simply UNDENIABLE . . undeniable . . that his views are NOT representative of the black community at all

      If he runs back then as a Dem he probably doesnt get elected. he was elected . . in SOUTH CAROLINA . . almost exclusively by white voters. There’s probably something to that JUST AS IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT that he is front and center on this issue

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      If you need a less complicated opinion than that then just ask why there is a thread talking about Tim Scott? Ask yourself why the GOP had him as the rebuttal?

      It’s should be undeniable, but feel free to deny it here if you want, that his race is used to BOLSTER his credibility ON RACE. That’s the very nature of his entire career in politics.

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      If Tom Cotton offers the same rebuttal?

    • jbear

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      On Tim Scott, he is form Charleston City Council.

      Why does that matter? One of the most norotiosu white/black police cop shooting, the Walter Scott case . HE KNOWS IT WELL

      On top of that, he was actually INVOVED DIRECTLY . . . directly . . in a DOJ Voting Rights Acts case where he defended the allegedly racist voting process by saying, in essence, that black people are still adequately represented by white people. He claime dthta he wa proof of that in reverse because he was black and voted into the counsel by a haevily white constituency

      you know what hapened in that case?

      the DOJ won

      you know why?

      because the black people in the district HAD NOT VOTED FOR HIM (ie he would not have bene their choice and here he was WORKING AGAINST THEM. Proof of the DOJ’s point

      ***************************

      who is to say what is in the guy’s heart (eg is he Candace Owens? who knows?), but its simply UNDENIABLE . . undeniable . . that his views are NOT representative of the black community at all

      If he runs back then as a Dem he probably doesnt get elected. he was elected . . in SOUTH CAROLINA . . almost exclusively by white voters. There’s probably something to that JUST AS IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT that he is front and center on this issue

      First it was proof that republicans were racist that they didn’t vote for black candidates now it’s proof that that they do.

      Anyway again you are grouping people based on race. He can’t represent black people because he’s a Republican. You can balk at that but it’s the single biggest issue I have with Democrats on Race. There are a lot of Black Republicans and I think it’s insulting to say that they can’t represent black people if they aren’t Democrats.

      It’s insulting to all Black people even those who are Democrats. A black person can’t be for smaller government? Pro business? lower taxes? A black person has to see government handouts in black communities as some sort of boon for the community? A lot of people disagree and many of them are black or brown.

      I posted a long time ago about I guy I heard speak who goes by the name of Ishmael Hernandez. He’s the founder of a charity called the Freedom and Virtue institute. They essentially go into schools in bad neighborhoods and set up “self reliance clubs”. Not everyone sees the world the way you do Karma. This guy believes that those handouts help to enslave the people in those poor communities and many others think the same thing.

      Oh but he’s not representative of the group “black people” because most of them vote for Democrats? It’s just an insulting viewpoint. Things are never going to get any better in this country until Democrats get the crap beat out of them on this issue. I’d love to see somebody like Tim Scott get the Republican nomination. I don’t agree with him on everything but this race distinction bs has got to end. We are all Americans who all say we want equality. Democrats are not giving anyone equality they are sewing division to prop up their political party.

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      e. He can’t represent black people because he’s a Republican

      I didn’t say that. I said Black people said the didn’t vote for him in a VRA case.

      Also, what is more racist than MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE trying to bolster an opinion ON RACE by having a black person deliver the opinion ESPECIALLY WHILE AVOIDING ACTUAL FACTS TO THE CONTRARY?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear – look at the optics.

      Tim Scott is the only black senator.

      One

      Not two, or three, or four, or five.

      One

      Island used to do this shit… look Candace Owens said _____. And SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK AND FOR NO OTHER REASON their message is used to poke holes is systemic issues.

      Candace thinks this… Tim thinks that… Ben thinks this…

      Thus black people think _____.

      It is undeniable that the modern GOP needs the MAGA voting block to hang on by a thread. It is the party of old white dudes, scared to lose their power.

      Is it fair to say “Uncle Tim”? Fuck no… because it gives you dingbats a “gotcha” moment.

      I’m not black so I can’t say… but outside looking it, this is a condescending lecture that “it isn’t that bad” from a guy so far removed from anything that a common black person deals with…that it becomes a fucking joke to hear him say this canned shit

    • Anonymous

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      sewing division to prop up their political party

      Like embracing white nationalist?

      Do you hear yourself?

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      Pointing out racism is propping up
      A party. Embracing racists is not?

      Good grief

    • FireLicht2020

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      Shocked

    • jbear

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      e. He can’t represent black people because he’s a Republican

      I didn’t say that. I said Black people said the didn’t vote for him in a VRA case.

      Also, what is more racist than MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE trying to bolster an opinion ON RACE by having a black person deliver the opinion ESPECIALLY WHILE AVOIDING ACTUAL FACTS TO THE CONTRARY?

      I think what you just said is way more racist than letting a black guy state his opinion, even despite all your facts that he must not know about.

      I jest. ;)

    • jbear

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      sewing division to prop up their political party

      Like embracing white nationalist?

      Do you hear yourself?

      Fiction.

      Nobody embraces white Nationalists. It’s disingenuous to call a group like proud boys “white Nationalists” if that’s what you’re trying to say. It’s just like a lot of things these days, people believe what they’ve been fed and some of those people have been fed the lie that Proud boys are white nationalists. They are a bunch of assholes but they are a bunch of assholes of many different races founded by a Hispanic. The first think I think of regarding this group is some of the anti women stuff and engaging Antifa. Like nobody in their right mind would want to punch one of those black shirted fascists in the face unless they’re racist? because Antifa means well.

      /Rant

    • spartan

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      Saw the highlights. Biden did well…
      I think we can put the bunker Joe narrative to death.

      Like when he introduced the First Lady and her husband the Second Gentleman .

      • jbear

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        Hey that was a joke. And so was the stammering and incoherent sentences that have been glossed over today.

    • spartan

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      Also, what is more racist than MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE trying to bolster an opinion ON RACE by having a black person deliver the opinion ESPECIALLY WHILE AVOIDING ACTUAL FACTS TO THE CONTRARY?

      And how can white people be more inclusive if we don’t start including?

    • spartan

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      I think what you just said is way more racist than letting a black guy state his opinion, even despite all your facts that he must not know about.

      I jest. ;)

      Glad you do. But it’s atypical of your limousine type liberal who “know what’s right for minorities.” Like they don’t know what’s right for themselves.

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?

    • jbear

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?

      I could go many different ways with this but just on a base political level, obviously Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnel, heck even some of the Rich fascist white Republicans who I like such as Mike Lee are going to be fileted by people like you and Fire because they are the hated white male. Take a little responsibility for your predicament.

      In this very thread you and the others have posted this exact “viewpoint” I use the term losely, to say that Republicans are racist white guys.

      But there are other more rude ways to attack this statement if push comes to shove.

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      Racism is a weird thing. The lengths people go to in avoidance.

      In this thread there is an article with numerous examples of systemic racism

      I will add another easy one: 18 police departments, including some of the biggest in the country voluntarily entered into race-related consent decrees rather than face Justice Dept scrutiny

      All those facts. All that evidence

      And yet, two Trumpers, both white, wanna talk about Tim Scott’s opinion

      😉

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?

      I could go many different ways with this but just on a base political level, obviously Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnel, heck even some of the Rich fascist white Republicans who I like such as Mike Lee are going to be fileted by people like you and Fire because they are the hated white male. Take a little responsibility for your predicament.

      In this very thread you and the others have posted this exact “viewpoint” I use the term losely, to say that Republicans are racist white guys.

      But there are other more rude ways to attack this statement if push comes to shove.

      So that’s a no

      Appreciate the honesty

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?



      @Spartan
      ?

    • jbear

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      Racism is a weird thing. The lengths people go to in avoidance.

      In this thread there is an article with numerous examples of systemic racism

      I will add another easy one: 18 police departments, including some of the biggest in the country voluntarily entered into race-related consent decrees rather than face Justice Dept scrutiny

      All those facts. All that evidence

      And yet, two Trumpers, both white, wanna talk about Tim Scott’s opinion

      😉

      Hey tell it to Tim Scott. Is he stupid or something?

      Probably that uncle tim thing again huh. Racism is hard.

      I jest, I jest ;)

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      Racism is a weird thing. The lengths people go to in avoidance.

      In this thread there is an article with numerous examples of systemic racism

      I will add another easy one: 18 police departments, including some of the biggest in the country voluntarily entered into race-related consent decrees rather than face Justice Dept scrutiny

      All those facts. All that evidence

      And yet, two Trumpers, both white, wanna talk about Tim Scott’s opinion

      😉

      Hey tell it to Tim Scott. Is he stupid or something?

      Probably that uncle tim thing again huh. Racism is hard.

      I jest, I jest ;)

      It’s not about Tim Scott it’s about you though, right?

      You’re the one passing on the facts, right? In favor of Scott’s opinion?

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      I think snow is the best

      Meet my friend, Santa. He agrees

    • jbear

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      So that’s a no

      Appreciate the honesty

      Big victory. He’s the perfect foil. Like Republicans should be ashamed for making a wise political decision? Of course not. And this from you is in defense of Democrats who never saw a racial group they wouldn’t exploit for political reasons.

      That said, the real issue here is that many Democrats, based on our conversation here, appear to believe that Tim Scott is just a shill and can’t really believe what he’s saying. He’s paid or it’s a career move, or he’s dumb… (Uncle Tim)

      Thats a real big problem Karma.

    • jbear

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      Racism is a weird thing. The lengths people go to in avoidance.

      In this thread there is an article with numerous examples of systemic racism

      I will add another easy one: 18 police departments, including some of the biggest in the country voluntarily entered into race-related consent decrees rather than face Justice Dept scrutiny

      All those facts. All that evidence

      And yet, two Trumpers, both white, wanna talk about Tim Scott’s opinion

      😉

      Hey tell it to Tim Scott. Is he stupid or something?

      Probably that uncle tim thing again huh. Racism is hard.

      I jest, I jest ;)

      It’s not about Tim Scott it’s about you though, right?

      You’re the one passing on the facts, right? In favor of Scott’s opinion?

      Karma…. Tim Scott delivered the Republican rebuttal to the President’s address last night.

      Is that not a relevant topic to discuss?

      It seems you have a problem with letting the wrong black people have opinions.

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      So that’s a no

      Appreciate the honesty

      Big victory. He’s the perfect foil. Like Republicans should be ashamed for making a wise political decision? Of course not. And this from you is in defense of Democrats who never saw a racial group they wouldn’t exploit for political reasons.

      That said, the real issue here is that many Democrats, based on our conversation here, appear to believe that Tim Scott is just a shill and can’t really believe what he’s saying. He’s paid or it’s a career move, or he’s dumb… (Uncle Tim)

      Thats a real big problem Karma.

      No victory and I wasn’t criticizing. You don’t deny that his race is part of why he’s put forward.

      I sincerely appreciate the honesty. That’s not even close to the norm here or on life generally when people discuss race.

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      Racism is a weird thing. The lengths people go to in avoidance.

      In this thread there is an article with numerous examples of systemic racism

      I will add another easy one: 18 police departments, including some of the biggest in the country voluntarily entered into race-related consent decrees rather than face Justice Dept scrutiny

      All those facts. All that evidence

      And yet, two Trumpers, both white, wanna talk about Tim Scott’s opinion

      😉

      Hey tell it to Tim Scott. Is he stupid or something?

      Probably that uncle tim thing again huh. Racism is hard.

      I jest, I jest ;)

      It’s not about Tim Scott it’s about you though, right?

      You’re the one passing on the facts, right? In favor of Scott’s opinion?

      Karma…. Tim Scott delivered the Republican rebuttal to the President’s address last night.

      Is that not a relevant topic to discuss?

      It seems you have a problem with letting the wrong black people have opinions.



      @JBear

      You’re the author of the thread

      You made the thread about race in the first post and only race

      You also referenced me directly in the first post

      Now the thread is about the GOP rebuttal? Not about race?

      Lol

      Nice deflection

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      @JBear

      Tim Scott says America is not a racist country

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/28/sen-tim-scott-says-us-isnt-racist-gop-rebuttal-biden-address/7386476002/
      Karma, how is this possible? You say America is racist through and through. In fact I thought everyone who thought differently was stupid…. or maybe just not understanding all your facts and what the Truth is that only you know.
      Is Tim Scott Stupid?

      Is he an Uncle Tim?

      That term was somehow trending on twitter last night and it’s very hilarious. Uncle Tim! It’s so odd because the racists are Republicans and Tim Scott is a Republican making the Republican rebuttal to the Benevolent Democrat leaders speech in front of 50 people. So you wouldn’t think these republicans would get something racist like this to trend on twitter. It’s not actually that easy to get something to trend on twitter. It seems there may be a lot of unaccounted for racists out there, which is a little scary. We know it can’t be the good guys doing something like that. Uncle Tim… That’s really funny.

      Oh wait this thread is about the GOP rebuttal

      Got it!

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      So much for honesty

      JBear, you thought you were on a disappearing text message board?

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      GOP – “we don’t have a race problem because a black guy says we don’t”

      That’s literally the purpose of having Tim Scott say it

      Racist, right?

      “I am not a racist because I have a black friend”

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      Oh wait this thread is about the GOP rebuttal

      Got it!

      Well sheesh it was kindof in the news today because he gave the rebuttal. But I see your point.

      But that’s exactly why it was a wise choice. Democrats almost don’t have a choice but to discredit him because it goes against the whole “All Repblicans are racist white guys” schtick. But it’s an unseemly argument to make and so also makes them look bad. Best bet for democrats is to let the unimportant twitter peeps run with the Uncle Tim angle while pretending to be above the fray. And yes I say pretending. It’s surely in their interest to discredit Tim Scott.

      I totally get the political gamesmanship. Most of the time I”m calling you on it but I do see that it works both ways.

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      GOP – “we don’t have a race problem because a black guy says we don’t”

      That’s literally the purpose of having Tim Scott say it

      Racist, right?

      “I am not a racist because I have a black friend”

      Karma I’m not saying that at all. The purpose is that he’s a good spokesperson, yes partly because of his race but it’s not only because of his race. This is very common in politics and happens all the time and Democrats are masters. Find a sympathetic spokesperson and get on board. Half the time the stories that move and get backing aren’t getting backing because they’re great but because the spokesperson is great.

      Also, I’m not saying “look at my black freind saying I’m not racist”. I’m saying look at this Republican Senator giving a great rebuttal. Seriously, it seems to me that it’s the Democrats who are hung up on Tim’s race.

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      Democrats almost don’t have a choice but to discredit him

      and yet I posted a bunch of data. all ignored by the non-racist Republicans

      “All Repblicans are racist white guys” schtick

      no one credible says that

      Sort of like saying Biden is a socialist :-)

      to discredit Tim Scott.

      The facts are completely against him. You wouldn’t take anything Biden says as Gospel truth, but we are supposed to take Scott’s view as Gospel truth IN SPITE OF THE EVIDENCE?

      maybe you protest too much

      I do see that it works both ways.

      Of course. Democrats leverage race for all that its worth. Unfortunately for the GOP, it often works and that is mostly because they are on the right side. Any fair minded person can see the discrimination in our country. That’s why the GOP tries to turn it into “we are not a racist country” ie a referendum on the country, not on the specific policies.

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      Karma I’m not saying that at all.

      I am sayin the GOP is. That is LITERALLY the message. Tim Scott’s career is built on it, the “black friend.”

      The GOP loses in Georgia to an African American. What’s the GOP response? Disenfranchise a bunch of African American voters AND . . here’s the key part . . get Herschel Walker

      Literally. a famous black guy . . (who lives in Texas)

      Its not “hmm, lets rethink our policies” its “we need a n—- r too” and “we got stop those n—-rs from voting”

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      Anyone willing to say Tim
      Scott’s race plays no part in his current role as the GOP spokesperson?




      @Spartan
      ?

      Sorry. I was watching the draft. This being a football board ‘n all.

      Scott has been in the senate for 7 years, so now all of a sudden the GOP rolls out the token black guy?

      He says 2022 will be his final Senate race. Personally I think he has wider aspirations, and if he does run again for the Senate it will be as a backup plan.

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      I am sayin the GOP is. That is LITERALLY the message. Tim Scott’s career is built on it, the “black friend.”

      This goes back to what jbear was saying previously “in jest”. You really come across as a racist pig. Your condescension of black Americans is visible and overt.

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      I am sayin the GOP is. That is LITERALLY the message. Tim Scott’s career is built on it, the “black friend.”

      This goes back to what jbear was saying previously “in jest”. You really come across as a racist pig. Your condescension of black Americans is visible and overt.

      That means something coming from you. Especially after your last post. Even JBear could acknowledge the obvious

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      Fiction.

      Nobody embraces white Nationalists.

      sewing division to prop up their political party

      Like embracing white nationalist?

      Do you hear yourself?

      Fiction.

      Nobody embraces white Nationalists. It’s disingenuous to call a group like proud boys “white Nationalists” if that’s what you’re trying to say. It’s just like a lot of things these days, people believe what they’ve been fed and some of those people have been fed the lie that Proud boys are white nationalists. They are a bunch of assholes but they are a bunch of assholes of many different races founded by a Hispanic. The first think I think of regarding this group is some of the anti women stuff and engaging Antifa. Like nobody in their right mind would want to punch one of those black shirted fascists in the face unless they’re racist? because Antifa means well.

      /Rant

      Fuggin’ hilarious…

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      Scott has been in the senate for 7 years, so now all of a sudden the GOP rolls out the token black guy?

      Must’ve been stacking bean cans during that post too lol

      He has been in this role since his city council days you dope. Same basic role in the Senate

      Maybe you don’t know this, but what committee is he on???

      Criminal Justice is super racist white boy Tom Cotton

      Lol

      Maybe that explains it?

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      Look at the statement from MCConnell when he tapped Scott for the job. Scott is specifically chosen for the color of his skin, not his knowledge of the topic

      Again, it’s Tom Cottons committee. Scott is not on it. He’s on Banking and others

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      Look at the statement from MCConnell when he tapped Scott for the job. Scott is specifically chosen for the color of his skin, not his knowledge of the topic

      Again, it’s Tom Cottons committee. Scott is not on it. He’s on Banking and others

      But so what? They chose him and it went over pretty well. People with your world view see it as a bunch of evil men manipulating a poor dumb black guy, or a black guy who’s a liar and is playing this role for money or career opportunity. That’s the problem because that in itself is racist or at the very least points out that you really do believe that there is no possible legitimate reason that a black person could be a Republican. I know that I also think the worst of many Democrats so I am a little sympathetic but dang, I can remove my head from my rear end when push comes to shove…. can you?

      There are legitimate reasons for this black guy to believe what he’s saying. He’s not a dummy and I think it’s safe to say that he’s heard all your evidence and still disagrees with you. If you can’t accept that then I see that as a big problem for you and is certainly not an objective view.

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        But on the bright side for Democrats, Tim can’t speak for Republicans every time. So relax. They played their card. I’m sure Tim Scott will get a prominent role in as much as they can give him but the shock value is over.

        The worst thing Democrats can do is to continue to throw this temper tantrum where you call into question Tim Scott’s honesty/integrity and blackness over the fact that he’s a Republican.

        I do not believe this is a good look for you guys.

    • TheChronicHotAir

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      Did King LeBron pre-approve little timmy scott’s speech?
      If not, that could be a real problem…

      Things RETARDS say:
      #Woke
      #Jim Crow on Steroids
      #Drumpf is a racist
      #White Supremacy is real

    • Anonymous

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      Look at the statement from MCConnell when he tapped Scott for the job. Scott is specifically chosen for the color of his skin, not his knowledge of the topic

      Again, it’s Tom Cottons committee. Scott is not on it. He’s on Banking and others

      But so what? They chose him and it went over pretty well. People with your world view see it as a bunch of evil men manipulating a poor dumb black guy, or a black guy who’s a liar and is playing this role for money or career opportunity. That’s the problem because that in itself is racist or at the very least points out that you really do believe that there is no possible legitimate reason that a black person could be a Republican. I know that I also think the worst of many Democrats so I am a little sympathetic but dang, I can remove my head from my rear end when push comes to shove…. can you?

      There are legitimate reasons for this black guy to believe what he’s saying. He’s not a dummy and I think it’s safe to say that he’s heard all your evidence and still disagrees with you. If you can’t accept that then I see that as a big problem for you and is certainly not an objective view.



      @JBear

      its as if you have multiple personalities who neve speak with each other

      You first post is, essentially, “America is not a fracist society because Tim Scott says so”

      You later acknowledge (and I applaud you for your honesty) that he’s the spokesperson partly because HES BLACK . . in other words the GOP thinks his skin color BOLSTERS its view

      That is, in and of itself, inherently racist. IT is, in essence, “are policies cannot be racist because we he have a black guy.”

      No difrent than Candace owns posted here or poster here saying “I have a black friend or family member . . ”

      IT IS IGNORING THE DATA . . let me repeat that

      IGNORING THE ACTUAL DATA and trying to essentially shut down discussion of the issues because . . of course . . “if Candance Owens says I am not a racist, I aint!”

      That’s almost a cartoon like common response from white people on race, but its also just the way the GOP operates, giving cover to its members so they never have to actually consider the issues

      “everyone should have an ID to vote” — ignore data that shows how an ID issue is used to suppress votes

      “any gun restriction is a slippery lope” — ignore data that shows diminished gun violence in restrictive states

      “Russia is hoax” — ignore overwhelming evidence

      “there is no systemic racism because a black guy says so” — he’s the only black senator in your party and the data is overwhelming

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      if that’s too much to follow @JBear just step out from behind your black man and answer this simple question (already asked, but ignored):

      If there’s NO SYSTEMIC RACIDM IN THE US . .

      WHY HAVE 18 DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS VOLUNTARILY EWNTER INTO CONSENT DECREES THAT LARGELY DELATHWITH RACE ISSUES?

      Don’t answer “Tim Scott” lol. Actually try to answer the question

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      if that’s too much to follow @JBear just step out from behind your black man and answer this simple question (already asked, but ignored):

      If there’s NO SYSTEMIC RACIDM IN THE US . .

      WHY HAVE 18 DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS VOLUNTARILY EWNTER INTO CONSENT DECREES THAT LARGELY DELATHWITH RACE ISSUES?

      Don’t answer “Tim Scott” lol. Actually try to answer the question

      If @Spartan can find the time in his busy schedule, he might even answer?

      :-)

    • Charles

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      Republicans are no longer the party of rich old white guys..sure there’s some but it is mostly uneducated rural hickjobs from flyover country.

      Easily manipulated and dumb as rocks.

      the GOP is a racist shell of its former self.

      The party of less government cheering on regulations and anti-riot bills.

      Owning the libs is their platform and it isn’t a winning one.

      They are pushing people to the polls in record numbers.

      Voter suppression won’t work.

      The BLUE TSUNAMI is going to end this racial brotherhood. Good riddance.

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      Look, being in the GOP absolutely does NOT make one a racist OBVIOUSLY. . obviously . . did I say obviously?

      you are not a racist if youre in the GOP

      However, its IMPOSSIBLE . . impossible . . to be in the GOP without accepting that your party and policies are dependent on DISNFRANCHISING some minority votes

      Impossible. Totally disconnected from reality if you say that’s not true IN THIS ENVIRONMENT and especially when even in the Cove you can find actual long, detailed examples FROM THE COURTS (ie from the process of forcing people to disclose things)

      So, because that should be an unpleasant though to ANY actual American the GOP floats out bogus claims of fraud and BOGUS slogans like “every voter should have an ID ” to provide its members with a mental barrier between themselves and the SUPPRESSION, an EXCUSE so as to not have to consider the ATCUAL FACTS.

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      Blue Tsunami??!

      LOL! You Trash(D)Party RETARDS are hilarious.

    • Charles

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      Take it however you will. These voter suppression laws are backfiring.

      My mom is way up in the demo party in FL.

      They’ve never seen so many people want to get involved and they have activated blocs of voters that have stayed silent in the past.

      Sheer numbers are not on the GOP’s side. Trump said it himself.

      They’d never win another lection if everyone got to vote.

      Hence the voter suppression laws.

      It is going to backfire like it did in Georgia but on a national scale.

      The GOP is embracing a dead end platform. One last gasp at holding onto white America.

      The gig is up.

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      So, because that should be an unpleasant though to ANY actual American the GOP floats out bogus claims of fraud and BOGUS slogans like “every voter should have an ID ” to provide its members with a mental barrier between themselves and the SUPPRESSION, an EXCUSE so as to not have to consider the ATCUAL FACTS.

      We always get hung up here. You seem to believe that getting the most people to vote is the ideal. I disagree with that. Voting is a personal responsibility it’s not a responsibility of a political party or the government or whatever. In fact when we get to where we are already it often amounts to coercion. I’ve said before that Democrats won’t be happy until they can track down every black person and physically put a ballot in their hand and force them to vote. It’s a fundamental disagreement that invalidates or at least waters down all the mountains of evidence that you continually use to claim that nobody could possibly believe x y or z because you’ve got it all diagramed over here.

      This is something that you can’t seem to get past. All of these mountains of “facts” you keep tossing out there are riddled with holes. I understand that to you it proves completely the point you are trying to make but it does not. This is a perfect example.

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      if that’s too much to follow @JBear just step out from behind your black man and answer this simple question (already asked, but ignored):

      If there’s NO SYSTEMIC RACIDM IN THE US . .

      WHY HAVE 18 DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS VOLUNTARILY EWNTER INTO CONSENT DECREES THAT LARGELY DELATHWITH RACE ISSUES?

      Don’t answer “Tim Scott” lol. Actually try to answer the question

      actually, we get hung up here, right?

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        I never said there aren’t issues with Race. What I’ve always said is that those issues stem from personal bias and that there is no systemic issue that needs to be addressed in any way resembling anything proposed by Democrats. The systemic problems are all about the use of violence against individuals of any race from my pov. It’s the use of violence by police forces that has been universally condoned that is causing a huge problem.

        Now why do police forces have race policies? Because they have recognized a problem with personal bias of some of their officers. They have also recognized a big PR problem in certain communites but make no mistake, that PR problem stems absolutely from the violent, anti liberty practices of almost all police forces.

    • jbear

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      Karma,

      In essence, what you seem to be arguing for is direct democracy. I know we’ve been there before but I think I remember you backtracking on that. The United States is a Representative Democracy. That makes the act of voting even more an act of personal responsibility.

      If you recall your history, there have been many instances of coercion used against ethnic populations and it is at least as unseemly as any of the current “voter suppression” going on now. You had roving gangs rounding up all the Irish people to make sure they voted for O’mally and in another neighborhood, gangs rounding up Italians to vote for Cuomo… lol

      Forcing people to vote does not make our democracy better it makes it way more scary.

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      You seem to believe that getting the most people to vote is the ideal. I disagree with that.



      @JBear

      the idea that people are coerced to vote is absolutely not even worth responding too

      BEYONGD THAT THOUGH . .

      as a simple matter of MATH and STATISTICS . . and LOGIC . . the more people who vote the more representative the government.

      That should be undeniable .. again simply based on math, science, stats etc, but if you want a real world example . .

      MOST people would not claim Jim Jordan is representative of the typical Congressional representative. of course she’s not, because he only represents the very conservative people in his tortured and twisted gerrymander district.

      Another example, how is the federal government MORE representative of native Americans’ interest when many are unable to vote because reservations often use a PO Box system instead of phsycial street addresses:

      “Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.

      This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota’s controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

      Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn’t list an address.”

      THE PO BOX EXAMPLE ABOVE IS YOUR GOP DEINFRANCHISING VOTERS

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      Karma,

      In essence, what you seem to be arguing for is direct democracy. I know we’ve been there before but I think I remember you backtracking on that. The United States is a Representative Democracy. That makes the act of voting even more an act of personal responsibility.

      If you recall your history, there have been many instances of coercion used against ethnic populations and it is at least as unseemly as any of the current “voter suppression” going on now. You had roving gangs rounding up all the Irish people to make sure they voted for O’mally and in another neighborhood, gangs rounding up Italians to vote for Cuomo… lol

      Forcing people to vote does not make our democracy better it makes it way more scary.

      LEAVE IT TO JBEAR TO SAY THAT A REPRESENTAIRVE DEMOCRACY IS BETTER SERVED BY LESS VOTERS? WTF? Its is precisely because we are REPRESENTATIVE democracy that it should be imperative to get as many people to vote as possible so that the ELECTED representatives actually reflect the people they represent.

      The only way that post by you would be funnier is if you simultaneously posted that a poll was invalid BECAUSE OF ITS SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

      (JBear, kidding aside, you have once again talked your self into a corner. This is precisely what happens when the arguments are illogical or not genuine)

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      Jbearland

      a baseball player hits a home run on his first and only pitch

      he is a better baseball player than 750 home runs hit over an entire career of at bats

    • jbear

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      THE PO BOX EXAMPLE ABOVE IS YOUR GOP DEINFRANCHISING VOTERS

      I have never said that I agree with Republicans in every case that you bring up. What I reject is the idea that anything that makes it more difficult to vote is necessarily evil. First of all, despite your complaints to the contrary, voter fraud does exist. There certainly should be a point at which we are making it too easy for people to abuse the system and it’s in that world that we find ourselves.

      I certainly do not think it’s appropriate for bands of activists to target certain neighborhoods and knock on doors to fill out ballots for people. I’m not saying that’s even happening I’m using it to point out that there is always on ongoing discussion about how easy it should be. That would be far too easy for me and would be far too easy to allow fraud.

      I think that actually is happening right now if I’m honest. Even going to the nursing homes is a little twisted in my view. Many people in nursing homes are no longer cognizant of the world they live in. Thats just a fact. It’s something that sounds all nice at first glance but really is begging to be abused.

      And you’ll say, but Jbear, now you’re talking about some sort of mental dexterity test to be allowed to vote….. NO I AM NOT. I’m talking about people taking personal responsibility for voting. When you are no longer cognizant of the world then you most likely won’t vote and that is ok because the alternative is some spoiled rich brat who’s decided to become a marxist is going to get dozens of votes. That would be bs

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      I have never said that I agree with Republicans in every case that you bring up

      this ^^ the perverse mental gymnastics one has to go through in the GOP

      JBear . . YES . . YOU DO

      You are the BENEFICIARY of this crap. Just because you don’t do it yourself or say you don’t approve, you’re still the person BENEFITING AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHEER AMERICANS if/when your representatives get elected.

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      those issues stem from personal bias and that there is no systemic issue that needs to be addressed in any way resembling anything proposed by Democrats.

      MAN, WHAT A RAMBLING SET OF QUALIFIERS :-)

      “there is no systemic issue” . . . “needs to be addressed in any way resembling anything proposed by Democrats:

      IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE THAT MEANS there are systemic issues, just not that are worthy of Democratic solutions?



      @JBear
      — you go on to suggest that 18 different police department entered into department -wide consent decrees because of bad PR and a few bad officers?

      LMAO

      Harvard says this:

      “Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.”

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      LEAVE IT TO JBEAR TO SAY THAT A REPRESENTAIRVE DEMOCRACY IS BETTER SERVED BY LESS VOTERS? WTF? Its is precisely because we are REPRESENTATIVE democracy that it should be imperative to get as many people to vote as possible so that the ELECTED representatives actually reflect the people they represent.

      The only way that post by you would be funnier is if you simultaneously posted that a poll was invalid BECAUSE OF ITS SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

      (JBear, kidding aside, you have once again talked your self into a corner. This is precisely what happens when the arguments are illogical or not genuine)

      LOL too funny that I happen to agree with the framers of the constitution.

      This is exactly the mindset that earned you 4 years of Donald J Balls Trump as President. I think you believe you’ve got the upper hand now so it’ll probably all work out… Famous last words if I’ve ever heard any.

      In four years Kim Kardashian will probably be President…. yes she’s a Democrat.

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      LOL too funny that I happen to agree with the framers of the constitution

      that makes no sense

      and the thought black people were property

      it has nothing to do with the framers its just math or logic larger sample size more representative.

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        If you are dring with a hiden tag in anew vehicle, do you ned up gettign maced, dragged ott he ground etc?

        I do think the police are far too aggressive against citizens. Not defending what happened to this guy because it really is bs but those plate covers piss me the hell off. They are used by low life’s to get out of paying tolls. I know there are some anti government types who could make an argument that part of me would like to be sympathetic with but tolls are one of the few taxes I have little problem with. At least when they are enacted to pay for badly needed roads without raising taxes on everyone. I’m using the road so I pay a tax…. fair is fair.

        Most of the cars I see with these things are being driven by assholes who are also speeding, often tailgating and overall driving like shit. I would love to see police give a lot more citations for this.

        That said, they shouldn’t be looking inside my car to see if my seatbelt is on in my own damned car and then pull me over when they think I’m not wearing it.

        I know I’m off the rails but heck…. it’s my dime.

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      more people voting for REPRESENTATIVES is not direct democracy lmao

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      if that’s too much to follow @JBear just step out from behind your black man and answer this simple question (already asked, but ignored):

      If there’s NO SYSTEMIC RACIDM IN THE US . .

      WHY HAVE 18 DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS VOLUNTARILY EWNTER INTO CONSENT DECREES THAT LARGELY DELATHWITH RACE ISSUES?

      Don’t answer “Tim Scott” lol. Actually try to answer the question

      If @Spartan can find the time in his busy schedule, he might even answer?

      :-)

      Step from behind “our” black man? Well, there’s no answer to that one. And to think Republicans are the ones with dog whistles.

    • spartan

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      Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans

      Um, wonder why that is? Did they say?

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      @JBear -since you’re basically offering the same point of view, listen to this.

      Honesty test – are people who believe there is systemic racism in the US actually saying that ALL INSTITUTIONS ARE BANKRUPT?

      The normal, rational and apolitical person would tune out everything a person like DeSantis said AFTER that absurd lie. For goodness sake, we have been discussing 18 police departments in the United States. The US has something like 18 . . THOUSAND . . . police departments . . 18,000.

      **************************************

      This video of DeSantis . . on Faux news, of course . . . is a great example of the problem. He wants to get elected president, so he wants all of you ANGRY . . so the way to do that is to take an issue and twist it into the extreme . . so, if you believe we have systemic racism issues you believe ALL INSTITUTIONS ARE BANKRUPT?

      good grief, the problem in the country is MORONS who lick that shit up off his feet.

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      I do not believe that America is a racist country.
      I do not believe there is systemic racism.
      I do not believe there are many cops who go to work with the idea of how many black people can I kill today.

      If that link about the Georgia cop is true he needs to seek alternative employment. Simple as that.

      I DO believe there are racists in America.
      I DO believe there are racist communities and organizations.

      I also believe that a vast majority of Americans have no beef with black people just because they are black.

      Do white people stereotype sometimes? Sure. I get nervous when I enter certain neighborhoods in the daytime let alone at night because I’m white. That is not because of racist reasoning but when it’s not a very nice neighborhood, and I’m the only white guy around and everyone is staring at me, I get a little edgy.

      I left my phone at the gym the other week. I got to another store before I realized and turned back. I was running up the stairs and I saw a guy with 2 phones in his hand, one looked very similar to mine. I blurted out “my phone, did you find that” or something similar. This black guy looked up, grunted something and continued on his way. I opted to go where I last had my phone and lo and behold there it was. As I started back he came back up the stairs and got in my face saying he has 2 phones and didn’t steal my phone. I apologized, said I presumed he had found mine phone because he had 2, after all it is somewhat unusual for someone to be walking around with 2 phones. As we walked down the stairs I apologized again and said again I had made an assumption and he turned round and simply said “I don’t want to talk to you.”

      We both made assumptions and got it wrong, the difference is judging by his re-action he thinks I was racially profiling him. My point, not all negative interaction with African Americans are driven by racist motives. Though to listen to some, you would be forgiven for thinking so. What’s more, stereotyping is not one way traffic.

      So no, I do not think America is a systemically racist country, I believe that it has been conditioned to think it is. Therefore any negative interaction is automatically assumed to be.

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      I do not believe there are many cops who go to work with the idea of how many black people can I kill today.

      This is just like DeSantis video, although funny that you seem to suggest “some” lol

      Kidding aside, you don’t have to want to kill black people to be a racist . . OBVIOUSLY

      I mean, you guys are making this argument in an environment where Floyd was just killed, so was Arbery and there’s video of a SOLDIER being stopped and maced etc over a tag (with the cops telling him after> we can just let this all go away) .. as just a fee RECENT examples

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      Some interesting stats:

      https://www.justice.gov/crt/page/file/922456/download

      Interesting omission in the list of PD’s on the list for Racial profiling and bias. Ferguson.

      It also shows you can get in the dog house for a whole lot more than racism. What’s more most of them are Democratic run. Let’s say for arguments sake you are right, and these Police Depts are bastions of racism. It strikes me that it’s not Republicans you need to be lecturing.

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      I do not think America is a systemically racist country

      lol, maybe its just semantics, who knows

      The issue is whether there is systemic (system-oriented) racism in America. This gets flipped (self-servingly) by conservatives into “America is not a racist country”

      “systemic racism”

      “Civil rights leaders and advocates are demanding an end to systemic racism, a reference to the systems in place that create and maintain racial inequality in nearly every facet of life for people of color.”

      Everyome is focused on policing because of the high profile acts of violence, but just think of BANKING.

      Absolutely . . 1000% the banking industry was ALIGNED AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS AND NOW HISTRIY-DEFICIENT DOPES .. make stupid claims that Dems are to blame for crime in cities . . as if RED LINING NEVER EXISTED?

      For goodness sake, just ask yourself if you were running in a south Georgia neighborhood would three white redneck wanna be cops try to arrest you?

      If you are dring with a hiden tag in anew vehicle, do you ned up gettign maced, dragged ott he ground etc?



      @Spartan
      , sometimes its tough to tell but you’re simultaneously saying there is no systemic racism while describing an event that was base don sterotyping????? So cops are immune? Bankers are immune?

      Its like youre all so insecure about race that you get so hyper defensive that you have to turn the claim into “America is a racist country”: or like Desantis “all institutions are bankrupt”

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      Not all racism is intentional or insidious.

      That’s why it is SYSTEMIC.

      You clutching your pearls because a black person walked by is 100% racist and a big issue

      That doesn’t make you a full-fledged kkk member, but it DOES give you an opportunity to reflect and change.

      Not all racism is about lynching people or burning crosses.

      Figure that out for a moment

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      @Spartan and @JBear

      two current examples of SYSTEMIC racism, meaning the system working against black people

      HERESS THE FIRST ONE .. NOTE THE LEVELS OF THE ‘JUSTICE SYSTM” working against the black guy

      Ahmad Arbery is killed by two white wanna be cops

      In JBears world those issue with Arbery and these two guys “stem from personal bias and that there is no systemic issue that needs to be addressed”

      the WHITE police show up, the killers are not arrested (any doubt Arbery is arrested on the spot if itsi the other way around). THE SECOND LEVEL IN THE SYSTEM LETS ARBERY DOWN

      The mother of Arbery is told her son was killed INSIDE a home (look at Example #2)

      two weeks pass “Justice delayed is justice denied”)

      The WHITE local prosecutor -even armed with a VIDEO –was not going to charge the two white guys, so now the next level of the system is working against Arbery because he is presumed guilty enough to justify his murder not just by the two rednecks who killed him, but also UP THE CHAIN . . ie UP FURTHER IN THE SYSTEM

      Luckily, she has to RECUSE herself because one of the killers WORKS WITH HER. BIUT she doensnt stop there, she allegedly tells her replacement NOT TO CHARGE

      NEWS reports say he’s killed in chase on the street (see Example #2)

      IT GOES to the neighboring County DA

      he has to recuse himself a month later STILL NO CHARGES but INCREDIBLY his need to recuse does NOT stop him from tainting the CASE. He says “NO PROBABLE CAUSE” and this:

      “Barnhill also wrote that it appeared that Arberry had grabbed the shotgun and “initiated the fight” and that under “Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

      THIS TAININTING OF THE CASE IS SOP FOR BAD COP CASES, AND HAPPENS IN EXAMPLE 2 AS WELL

      he reveals that 3rdmnan is involved

      its only this videotape that brings the case back to life months after the event

      so now four or FIVE levEls of THE SYSTEM has said Arbery’s life isnt even worth a charge

      THE THIRD DA takes the matter to a grand jury

      Tte day this happens the video is Leaked and its the VIDEO that brings the case into the public eye

      The leaked VIDEO is what causes the third DA to bring in the GBI

      COME ON MAN . . . that’s 5 or 6 levels of white dominated system totally doing Arbery wrong

      “Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr formally requested that the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) investigate the handling of the Ahmaud Arbery case.

      The request to the DOJ includes an investigation into the discussions between the offices of Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney Jackie Johnson and Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George E. Barnhill.”

      ********************************

      If either of you are running in a Georgia neighborhood . .
      are you even stopped, let alone shot and killed?
      do the cops just let your killer go?
      do the prosecutors PRESUME you a criminal worthy of being killed>

      How about the second prosecutor? Third?

      SO @JBear ITS NOT PERSONAL BIAS, ITS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IN THE ARBERY CASE. ITS WHITE PSUEDO COPS MURDERIGN A GUY, TREATED DEIFFERENTLY THAN BLACK SUSPECTS, TRTEATED VERY DIFFERNTLY BY MULTIPLE PROSECUOITRS INCLUDING ONE WHO TRYS TO TAINT THE CASE

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      EXAMPLE NUMBER 2 IS EASY

      Chauvin Kills Floyd

      The first report from Chauvin police department (ie The System) makes it seem like Floyd was to blame

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/20/how-first-statement-minneapolis-police-made-george-floyds-murder-seem-like-george-floyds-fault/

      we all know how it turned out . .after the POLICE DEPARTNENT (ie the System) tried to get a false narrative out FIRST (SOP in bad cop cases)

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        If you are dring with a hiden tag in anew vehicle, do you ned up gettign maced, dragged ott he ground etc?

        I do think the police are far too aggressive against citizens. Not defending what happened to this guy because it really is bs but those plate covers piss me the hell off. They are used by low life’s to get out of paying tolls. I know there are some anti government types who could make an argument that part of me would like to be sympathetic with but tolls are one of the few taxes I have little problem with. At least when they are enacted to pay for badly needed roads without raising taxes on everyone. I’m using the road so I pay a tax…. fair is fair.

        Most of the cars I see with these things are being driven by assholes who are also speeding, often tailgating and overall driving like shit. I would love to see police give a lot more citations for this.

        That said, they shouldn’t be looking inside my car to see if my seatbelt is on in my own damned car and then pull me over when they think I’m not wearing it.

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        I know I’m off the rails but heck…. it’s my dime.

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      the difference is judging by his re-action he thinks I was racially profiling him.



      @Spartan
      , hopefully youre just not conveying your own story well because in this sentence you actually make him the ‘bad guy’

      Its thta “he thinks he being racially profiled” not that he was.

      Certainly willing to accept that you were NOT profiling him BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD why would a black man think he was being profiled???????????????????

      because black people are profiled individually and SYSTEMICALLY . .

      “The beginning of 2019 marked 22 years since the introduction of the first piece of proposed legislation on racial profiling: the Traffic Stops Statistics Act of 1997, H.R. 118. Passed unanimously by the US House of Representatives in March 1998, this bill constituted the first attempt by any legislative body to come to grips with what had become known as “racial profiling”: the police practice of stopping black and brown drivers in disproportionate numbers for traffic infractions, in attempts to investigate other crimes for which the police had no evidence. The tactic, used to target drug interdiction evidence on highways and interstates across the country, had existed for years. But it had come to wider public knowledge in the early and middle 1990s with the filings of legal actions against the New Jersey and Maryland state police forces.”

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      But hey, Tim Scott says . . .

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      Tim Scott said Trump called him and said that Trump is still working to help the blacks.

      Thank you Trump for all the “work” you are doing!

      I’m sure it is the best work!

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      jbear has to be an old white angry dude knocking on deaths door.

      Can’t wait for nature to take its course and rid the earth of your racist ways.

      Glad I will be around to see the country as it is meant to be…

      jbear=piece of living shit

      You disgust me. I bet your racist momma is proud.

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      @Spartan, hopefully youre just not conveying your own story well because in this sentence you actually make him the ‘bad guy’

      Its thta “he thinks he being racially profiled” not that he was.

      Certainly willing to accept that you were NOT profiling him BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD why would a black man think he was being profiled???????????????????

      Only in the context of the story. And by ‘bad guy” I think his re-action was overly defensive. Why did feel the need to come back? The point is that not everything should be looked at through the lens of racism, yet we have been conditioned to see it that way. If we can put that aside (without denying there ARE some racists in this country) I think we can go a long way to putting this mainly behind us.

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      he point is that not everything should be looked at through the lens of racism, yet we have been conditioned to see it that way. If we can put that aside (without denying there ARE some racists in this country) I think we can go a long way to putting this mainly behind us.

      So @Spartan, even though you probably find this phrase objectionable, this quote above from you is an example of ” white privilege” in that you seem to be unable to relate to the reality of the black guy even though was offered RIGHT BELOW WHERE YOU CUT THE QUOTE :-)

      because black people are profiled individually and SYSTEMICALLY . .

      “The beginning of 2019 marked 22 years since the introduction of the first piece of proposed legislation on racial profiling: the Traffic Stops Statistics Act of 1997, H.R. 118. Passed unanimously by the US House of Representatives in March 1998, this bill constituted the first attempt by any legislative body to come to grips with what had become known as “racial profiling”: the police practice of stopping black and brown drivers in disproportionate numbers for traffic infractions, in attempts to investigate other crimes for which the police had no evidence. The tactic, used to target drug interdiction evidence on highways and interstates across the country, had existed for years. But it had come to wider public knowledge in the early and middle 1990s with the filings of legal actions against the New Jersey and Maryland state police forces.”

      Probably easier for a white person to “put it aside” than a black person. You likely have the privilege of not being subject to similar level of discrimination.

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      @Spartan or @JBear

      if there’s no systemic racism how do you explain the actions of the “system” beyond the killers in either the Arbury or Chauvin case? In other words, JBear says its not systemic is just personal bias, so how do you reconcile that with the way the police department acted in either case and/or the way the police department and local prosecutors in the Arbery case?

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      Idk guys… it’s pretty cool here today so I don’t understand why folks are complaining about the humidity on the east coast?

      #allclimatesmatter

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      So @Spartan, even though you probably find this phrase objectionable, this quote above from you is an example of ” white privilege” in that you seem to be unable to relate to the reality of the black guy even though was offered RIGHT BELOW WHERE YOU CUT THE QUOTE :-)

      To be blunt I don’t believe in “white privilege”. I won’t bore you with the details because I’m sure you will come up with some BS, but my family comes from a really poor background. One where there was discrimination but it had nothing to do with the color of your skin. Neither do I believe in “white fragility”. To me that is a methodology to guilt a whole bunch of wimps into believing they need to bow down to CRT.

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      Do you understand the concept of statistics?

      You are one person…

      One family…

      You are an anecdote…

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      I don’t believe in “white privilege”

      No way!

      😁

      The way you describe it after that comment suggests you may misunderstand the vote concept

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      I have never said that I agree with Republicans in every case that you bring up

      this ^^ the perverse mental gymnastics one has to go through in the GOP

      JBear . . YES . . YOU DO

      You are the BENEFICIARY of this crap. Just because you don’t do it yourself or say you don’t approve, you’re still the person BENEFITING AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHEER AMERICANS if/when your representatives get elected.

      Well my representative who I voted for is Byron Donalds. https://donalds.house.gov/

      So… just another poor dumb uncle Tom who’s exploiting my racism to make a living. lol

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      You still don’t get, and probably never will…

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        Lol Probably not.

        You’re the one not understanding something basic. Tim Scott is entitled to his opinion and the fact that you two and many other liberals can’t accept this without qualifiers is and should be offensive to everyone.

        Why do you guys always have to inject all this nonsense “evidence” into every argument when it’s pointless. And no I’m not saying evidence is pointless or that facts are bad… if they are actual facts. But Karma for years and years has done the same thing in every thread. You aren’t proving anything. Tim Scott believes America is not a racist country because he said it. The qualifiers are quite frankly disgusting.

        Every school child learns that some things, especially politics don’t have right or wrong answers. It seems that Karma on the other hand believes so strongly in his version of reality that he’s willing to go so far as to say that the other side are making things up to manipulate the public. That they don’t believe what they say, that the whole Republican party exists to lie and manipulate people who already know the real truth but won’t admit it.

        It’s a conspiracy theory on the same level as Qanon but you guys will never recognize it for what it is. Again, it is outrageous for people to claim that a sitting U.S. Senator and obviously very intelligent human being doesn’t believe what he says.

        No matter how many ways Karma puts his argument that America is a racist country, he still hasn’t proved anything. We seem to already agree on the vast majority of everything. All of us have admitted that racism exists, that bad things happen because of it and that justice in those cases should be served.

        Where you guys are so wrong is that you cannot allow Tim Scott to believe what he says… or anyone on team bad guy without calling them liars, uncle Tom’s or just plain dumb.

        This whole thread is you guys trying to prove that it is…. which can’t be done. You’ve convinced yourselves…. congratulations. America is not a racist country it is a great country with a race problem that many people legitimately believe will be made worse by what you and the left are trying to do.

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      Tim Scott is entitled to his opinion… Great. Everyone is…

      He’s still a political pawn.

      It boils down to this:

      You worry about a socialist agenda that doesn’t exist, when we have an ACTUAL problem with systemic racism.

      But what do you expect with someone that voted for Trump?

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      I have never said that I agree with Republicans in every case that you bring up

      this ^^ the perverse mental gymnastics one has to go through in the GOP

      JBear . . YES . . YOU DO

      You are the BENEFICIARY of this crap. Just because you don’t do it yourself or say you don’t approve, you’re still the person BENEFITING AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHEER AMERICANS if/when your representatives get elected.

      Well my representative who I voted for is Byron Donalds. https://donalds.house.gov/

      So… just another poor dumb uncle Tom who’s exploiting my racism to make a living. lol

      you voted for Trump (even though . . cough cough . . not a Trumper) and you are SUPPORTER of nearly every GOP position discussed here.

      Those positions never really make it into law without your buddies keeping the colored folks away from the ballot

      YOU ARE A KNOWING beneficiary of racism, right?

      You try to deflect from that by pointing to the comments of Tim Scott and now say, in essence, you dont support the racism in the party because your rep is . . wait for it . . a black guy**.

      Rand Paul ain’t a black guy. Mitch McConnell aint a black guy. Tom Cotton aint a black guy. DeSantis aint a black guy.

      ** Your black GOP representative is about as lonely as Tim Scott

      “In all, 15 percent of Black members serve in the state Senate — a total of six Black senators out of 40 members. Those Black state senators are all Democrats. One is female.

      In the other chamber, 17.5 percent of Black members serve in the state House, a total of 21 Black state representatives out of 120 members. Of the 21 Black reps, 20 are Democrats and one is a Republican. The gender makeup is 13 Black females and eight Black males.



      @JBear
      — YOU SEEM TO LIKE SINGLE, SOLITARY BLACK FOLKS

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      the fact that you two and many other liberals can’t accept this without qualifiers is and should be offensive to everyone.

      DO YOU MEAN AS OFFENSIVE AS SOMEONE SUGGESTING THE LONE BLACK GUY’S OPINION IS REPRESENTATIVE?

      OR,

      DO YOU MEAN AS OFFENSIVE AS PEOPLE WHO REPEATEDLY IGNORE ACTUAL FACTS IN FAVOR OF A SINGLE BLACK MAN’S OPINION?

      (you pretty much walked into that one)

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      the whole Republican party exists to lie and manipulate people who already know the real truth but won’t admit it.

      LOL

      this ^^^ is intellectual surrender . . same kind DeSantis used in my example

      when you have to twist the opposing view that much its like screaming from the mountaintop . . “yeah. I got nothin”

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      the whole Republican party exists to lie and manipulate people

      not the whole party, just your wing of it. The Trumpers

      See Liz Cheney et al

      how’s that Hunter Biden’s laptop thing working out for ya?

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      the whole Republican party exists to lie and manipulate people

      not the whole party, just your wing of it. The Trumpers

      See Liz Cheney et al

      how’s that Hunter Biden’s laptop thing working out for ya?

      right on cue

      down the road the Arizon GOP is in a QAnon hunt

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      Republicans are racist. That’s why they don’t vote for black folks.

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      Tim Scott is entitled to his opinion… Great. Everyone is…

      He’s still a political pawn.

      It boils down to this:

      You worry about a socialist agenda that doesn’t exist, when we have an ACTUAL problem with systemic racism.

      But what do you expect with someone that voted for Trump?

      So much hate for a sigle solitary black guy.

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      you voted for Trump (even though . . cough cough . . not a Trumper) and you are SUPPORTER of nearly every GOP position discussed here.

      Those positions never really make it into law without your buddies keeping the colored folks away from the ballot

      YOU ARE A KNOWING beneficiary of racism, right?

      You try to deflect from that by pointing to the comments of Tim Scott and now say, in essence, you dont support the racism in the party because your rep is . . wait for it . . a black guy**.

      Rand Paul ain’t a black guy. Mitch McConnell aint a black guy. Tom Cotton aint a black guy. DeSantis aint a black guy.

      ** Your black GOP representative is about as lonely as Tim Scott

      “In all, 15 percent of Black members serve in the state Senate — a total of six Black senators out of 40 members. Those Black state senators are all Democrats. One is female.

      In the other chamber, 17.5 percent of Black members serve in the state House, a total of 21 Black state representatives out of 120 members. Of the 21 Black reps, 20 are Democrats and one is a Republican. The gender makeup is 13 Black females and eight Black males.



      @JBear
      — YOU SEEM TO LIKE SINGLE, SOLITARY BLACK FOLKS

      Once again you make everything about race. You’ve basically said I’m a racist for voting for a black guy. Because the only reason to vote for him is because of the black friend defense. Never once crosses your mind that I voted for him because I agree with him on most things.

      Here I am, despicable white guy, voting my conscience and at the same time helping to put another black person in congress and your racist mind can’t get past the idea that a black guy believes shit that you think is racist…. because you have facts.

      I have news for you… Even Uncle Joe now says America is not a racist country. It seems you and the nuts may have gone too far. I’d say calling a black Republican an uncle Tom would be one of those moments.

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      You’ve basically said I’m a racist for voting for a black guy.

      LOL

      and you’ve “basically” surrendered the actual point with this bs

      Even Uncle Joe now says America is not a racist country

      most people would say that, that’s not what it means to have systemic racism in America

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      @Jbear

      “you’ve basically said”

      do you ever address what is actually said?

      :-)

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      YOU ARE A KNOWING beneficiary of racism, right?

      second time the charm, @JBear

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      @Jbear

      “you’ve basically said”

      do you ever address what is actually said?

      :-)

      You want me to address what was actually said? Seriously?

      you voted for Trump (even though . . cough cough . . not a Trumper) and you are SUPPORTER of nearly every GOP position discussed here.

      Up yours too buddy.

      Those positions never really make it into law without your buddies keeping the colored folks away from the ballot

      You’re a total asshole. I’m supposed to address this condescending imaginary conversation your having with yourself.

      YOU ARE A KNOWING beneficiary of racism, right?

      And you’re the beneficiary of laws that prevent me from punching you in the face.

      You try to deflect from that by pointing to the comments of Tim Scott and now say, in essence, you dont support the racism in the party because your rep is . . wait for it . . a black guy**.

      Not deflecting anything. This is more of what Tim Scott was talking about. The left attempting to right injustice through more injustice. A country where I’m a racist for voting for a black guy to represent me in congress is a country that’s totally fucked. I’m sorry that you can’t see that.

      Rand Paul ain’t a black guy. Mitch McConnell aint a black guy. Tom Cotton aint a black guy. DeSantis aint a black guy.

      Great point.

      ** Your black GOP representative is about as lonely as Tim Scott

      That is a shame but it is interesting that you don’t celebrate the inclusion of these great minority representatives in our government. Instead you play this game where on the one hand Republicans are racist because they don’t have enough minority representatives yet on the other I’m a racist prick for voting for one. How in the world you could think you’re actually winning this argument is beyond belief.

      “In all, 15 percent of Black members serve in the state Senate — a total of six Black senators out of 40 members. Those Black state senators are all Democrats. One is female.

      In the other chamber, 17.5 percent of Black members serve in the state House, a total of 21 Black state representatives out of 120 members. Of the 21 Black reps, 20 are Democrats and one is a Republican. The gender makeup is 13 Black females and eight Black males.



      @JBear
      — YOU SEEM TO LIKE SINGLE, SOLITARY BLACK FOLKS

      More of the same strawman offensive assed bullshit that I’m supposed to respond to. Lol Jesus you’re a prick.

      There happen to be two Republicans who identify as black although you and your black shirt pals should probably confirm their racial purity to give you a winning argument again. None of those three black people seem like real black people to any progressives.

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        That’s two in the house and one in the Senate. Although their racial claims are dubious at best.

        There may be a white grandparent somewhere! Progressives need to shout these facts from the rooftops to prevent racism. lol

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      YOU ARE A KNOWING beneficiary of racism, right?

      second time the charm, @JBear

      Am I a knowing beneficiary of racism? Have I already told you to go *&%$ yourself you twisted little shit?

      Is Barrack Obama the beneficiary of being black? Does Barrack Obama the white guy win the Presidency? Of course not you creep.

      But I am supposedly the beneficiary of a racist system because I’m white and not in prison? Shame on me I guess.

      I know this will shock you but there were 17,328,200 Americans who identify as white living below the poverty line. There are 8,244,000 Americans who identify as black living below the poverty level.

      So Karma, there are over 17 million beneficiaries of racism living below the poverty line.

      You’ve crossed the Rubicon Karma.

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        Now try that as a % of the population.

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        Yeah no shit fire. There is a higher percentage of the black population but while that does show that there probably have been historical injustices it does not show that America is a racist country. Besides that, my point was that over 17 million “white” americans supposedly got everything they have from being racist assholes and still live in poverty.

        Karma is the racist here. Absolute bullshit to say the offensive and vile, militant left wing garbage he’s been spewing here recently.

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      ‘Merica

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        Look I think it’s BS that they thought it was necessary to throw in the China insult just because she’s oriental but dissent is part of being American and any communist in government who is at this point, still trying to keep my kids from going to school needs to get yelled at.

        I support yelling at this terrible woman.

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      supposedly the beneficiary of a racist system because I’m white and not in prison?

      again, you basically surrender when you create these phantoms. Cab you quote me saying that?

      I said one is a knowing beneficiary of racism when you vote for the GOP now.

      Republicans are racist because they don’t have enough minority representatives yet on the other I’m a racist prick for voting for one. How in the world you could think you’re actually winning this argument is beyond belief.

      That’s not my argument, lol

      That’s your argument against a phantom

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      Look, being in the GOP absolutely does NOT make one a racist OBVIOUSLY. . obviously . . did I say obviously?

      you are not a racist if youre in the GOP

      However, its IMPOSSIBLE . . impossible . . to be in the GOP without accepting that your party and policies are dependent on DISNFRANCHISING some minority votes

      Impossible. Totally disconnected from reality if you say that’s not true IN THIS ENVIRONMENT and especially when even in the Cove you can find actual long, detailed examples FROM THE COURTS (ie from the process of forcing people to disclose things)

      So, because that should be an unpleasant though to ANY actual American the GOP floats out bogus claims of fraud and BOGUS slogans like “every voter should have an ID ” to provide its members with a mental barrier between themselves and the SUPPRESSION, an EXCUSE so as to not have to consider the ATCUAL FACTS.



      @JBear

      In case you want to try responding to the actual post

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      @JBear

      Tim Scott believes policing has a systemic racism issue.

      He just thinks cops are also good too (something no one disputes)

      This is Scott on Face the Nation

      “ One of the reasons I have asked to lead this police reform conversation on my side of the aisle is because I personally understand the pain of being stopped 18 times driving while Black,” Scott explained to host John Dickerson. “I have also seen the beauty of when officers go door to door with me on Christmas morning delivering presents to kids in the most underserved communities.”

      “So I think I bring an equilibrium to the conversation,” he said. “That gives me reason to be hopeful.””

      “DRIVING WHILE BLACK”

      “18 TIMES”

      weird, huh?

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      Tim Scott believes policing has a systemic racism issue.

      He just thinks cops are also good too (something no one disputes)

      This is Scott on Face the Nation

      “ One of the reasons I have asked to lead this police reform conversation on my side of the aisle is because I personally understand the pain of being stopped 18 times driving while Black,” Scott explained to host John Dickerson. “I have also seen the beauty of when officers go door to door with me on Christmas morning delivering presents to kids in the most underserved communities.”

      “So I think I bring an equilibrium to the conversation,” he said. “That gives me reason to be hopeful.””

      “DRIVING WHILE BLACK”

      “18 TIMES”

      weird, huh?

      And now all of a sudden you’re saying what I was saying here the whole time?

      It seems to me that I’ve spent my energies in this thread, defending my right as a human being to support the statements about race, made by a black Republican. On the other hand, it seems to me that you’ve spent your energies trying to say that people who support Tim Scott’s statements on race are a bunch of racists and that Tim Scott is an Uncle Tom, ignorant or self serving in taking these positions on race.

      Forgive me if I put some of fire’s words in your mouth but you never refuted them so as you often do to me regarding other posters comments that I don’t myself make I’m just going to chalk them up to you since you’re clearly the leader and don’t mind whatever BS Fire and Charles are spewing.

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      Jbear you’re obfuscating this…

      Tim Scott seems like a decent politician but he also is being an opportunity here.

      Calling him Uncle Tim was a bad look…

      But that isn’t the issue… the issue is the modern GOP running out a black man to mask their agenda. You can call that agenda racist or bigoted, or you can play with words like DeSantis does, calling people out on racism is somehow Marxist (weird pivot)…

      But it’s just odd to me how you continue to defend the GOP yet you say you don’t like them… maybe you’re applying the lesser of two evils card? Idk…

      But what I do know is that the GOP goons are rearing up for a POTUS run and/or re-election bid… and in order to get that large MAGA voting block, you quite literally need some form of dog whistling in your rhetoric. Seriously, I hope you see that…

      Which is why running Tim Scott out there is so damn laughable. The modern GOP is nothing more than old what opportunists that will do anything, say anything, to get the MAGA voting block to get re-elected

      And you’re mixing that all into one thing and that’s your problem

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      But that isn’t the issue… the issue is the modern GOP running out a black man to mask their agenda.

      Fire this is your apology? If you can’t see this for the racism is clearly is then you have a big blind spot. Tim Scott is a human being with his own mind but all you see is a $*&%^ getting marched out by whitey.

      It’s fucked up fire.

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        No, it isn’t… but maybe I should call you “woke” for saying this?

        You also cherry-picked… very biggs-like.

        Tim Scott wasn’t some random selection to respond… you do see the intentionality of hiding behind his race…? Yes?

        Or maybe you “don’t see race”, right?

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      So, because that should be an unpleasant though to ANY actual American the GOP floats out BOGUS claims of fraud and BOGUS slogans like “every voter should have an ID ” to provide its members with a mental barrier between themselves and the SUPPRESSION, an EXCUSE so as to not have to consider the ATCUAL FACTS.

      Bogus claims of fraud? BOGUS slogans like “every voter should have an ID”…. Bogus? And in the same paragraph you ask me to consider the “ACTUAL FACTS”.

      You really don’t hear yourself do you?

      I know that you believe this but if you really can’t even see the other side then how could you possibly think that you’re open minded? You believe unequivocally that the claim that every voter should have an id is “BOGUS”. In your mind it’s a closed case even though you’ve been presented with facts to the contrary which you’ve obviously dismissed. Facts like the poll I put up a while back that something like 77% of Americans believe you should have to present an ID to vote. But somehow you still come to the conclusion that the claim is “bogus” and claim that I’m not listening to your actual facts because I’m disingenuous or stupid.

      Unlike you I can see how you come to some of your points. I think your logic is flawed for reasons that I’ve stated many times but I completely understand how you came to your conclusions. You on the other hand….

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      You believe unequivocally that the claim that every voter should have an id is “BOGUS”

      I posted the actual results of litigation in NC showing the NC GOP using data to craft an id policy that specifically excludes types used by African Americans

      That is a fact. Revealed under duress.

      I am only saying that the GOO uses the “truism” they every voter should be able to identify themselves to get people like you to ignore what was uncovered in NC (as only one example)

      I posted about post boxes on reservations , Michigan GOP and Florida GOP reversing their own absentee ballot laws (or the laws passed by their own people)

      You can take the absurd position that all of these facts actually mean nothing, but your look like a total partisan clown

      Even more so when you repeatedly twist things to absurdity ie “every” snd “all”

      :-)

      The very height of “white privilege” is willfully dismissing actual fact because the suppression impacts someone else. fair is fair. Unfair is unfair. Simple

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      jbear you really are a piece of shit human.

      Embarassed for you.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Jbear… is ascribing to “I don’t see race”. Tim Scott is just another person.

      Uh, your race/ethnicity is part of your identity.

      But the reality is, the GOP is not a representation of their community. If they were, they’d have less old white dudes… they are a representation of the good old days… Mad Men that can’t handle times that change.

      Eventually their election gerrymandering and ID laws will be a drop in the bucket as we progress past their way of thinking in population preferences.

      Guess more people are “woke” than not…

    • Kermit56

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      You believe unequivocally that the claim that every voter should have an id is “BOGUS”

      I posted the actual results of litigation in NC showing the NC GOP using data to craft an id policy that specifically excludes types used by African Americans

      That is a fact. Revealed under duress.

      I am only saying that the GOO uses the “truism” they every voter should be able to identify themselves to get people like you to ignore what was uncovered in NC (as only one example)

      I posted about post boxes on reservations , Michigan GOP and Florida GOP reversing their own absentee ballot laws (or the laws passed by their own people)

      You can take the absurd position that all of these facts actually mean nothing, but your look like a total partisan clown

      Even more so when you repeatedly twist things to absurdity ie “every” snd “all”

      :-)

      The very height of “white privilege” is willfully dismissing actual fact because the suppression impacts someone else. fair is fair. Unfair is unfair. Simple

      “…but your look like a total partisan clown.” That’s funny coming from Karma. I don’t care who you are. That is funny.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Which alt account is Kermit?

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      Which alt account is Kermit?

      Lol

    • BucBalla85

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      I don’t think we are racist. There are far worse places to be. Also usa was the first to abolish slavery besides I think UK was before us but we were one of the first. However there are things that need to be fixed and I think that is where people are getting the idea that we are racist but it’s also because they have never lived anywhere else. So there is ignorance on both sides. I’m not gonna sit here and say we are perfect because we’re far from it but at least for the most part people are not hating another race like I think media likes to portray it is. At the same time it boggles my mind that a cop can’t figure out what’s right and not to do. But allow me to explain my stance and I hope people consider this fair.
      I think that some ideas that are considered racist are not actually racist it’s just used to as an excuse to dismiss something. While some that aren’t considered racist are actually indeed racist. Allow me to explain.

      This whole wokeness movement stuff is actually pretty racist when you think about it. When you read between the lines it’s like they are saying that minorities can’t be successful unless are given a hand and that is some of the biggest bs out there. While I do think some are discriminated by the color of their skin or gender and it should never happen but does, but people of all races and genders are in positions of power and it was done through hard work and dedication. Anybody can be successful and that is not the case in some other countries.

      Anybody can put their head down and achieve something great. Which is the best way to achieve something, being handed something because we want more color to be successful is racist and kind of a swipe saying we can’t achieve that without taking away from another and without handing you on a silver platter which never helped anybody grow or evolve to be better people. This goes for anybody who is handed something on a silver platter. So I think the idea of privilege is very flawed and people aren’t thinking of it all as a whole. People who are handed things don’t get what is meant to get out of it. We also don’t value things we are just handed as much as things we worked hard at. I think everyone that can use their mind has the capability to do great things and evolve!

      The other thing I consider racist that most people don’t consider is racist is the welfare state. Same kind of issue where we are incentivizing laziness and being handed stuff for nothing. While there are people out there who need help and need a safety net is fine but people just being lazy and not working just to get hand outs is not a way to grow or become better people but it’s so much easier in life to sit and collect. Some people have a real hard time putting their head down and working hard but I think that while it’s not fair that somebody who is super smart can easily get a good job vs somebody not as privileged to be smart like that has to work that much harder at his craft to make it, but if we made it so we just handed it out there is not much reward for that and somebody who is not as smart will feel great to achieve something great while someone who is handed stuff for no work becomes jaded and entitled for things in life and that is where the crap attitudes come from.

      Learning, growing, taking responsibility for your lives is far more rewarding for somebody than it is for someone who just wants to be lazy and collect. And I think the country has to limit its spending on welfare state because we are making a bigger part of population lazier and entititled which makes the country worse.

      How we improve that is get more jobs in our country and not export them which we are doing the opposite right now. Bigger government only makes people rely on more government and especially in a time like now where we have taken a hit financially it’s not the worst thing to have people rely a little more on outside source but we can’t do it long term. We have to create more jobs and get people reliant on themselves as more government reliance means less freedom for the people and more control over the people which is in itself racist, oppressive, and extremely limiting to one’s personal potential. Blaming others for your failures in life does nothing for you but make you bitter. Limiting one’s potential in life increases depression.

      So if it was up to me, I wouldn’t be talking about race, I’d be talking about what makes some people’s life not as good as others and teach that to people. We need to reward good behavior and dismiss poor lazy behavior. There is successful behavior and habits that successful people do and have and that’s not taught in schools. Also some people are different than others in what their skills sets are, we need to do a better job with every single person in finding what that is is more people will be successful and happy in life. Schools just teach bs and doesn’t help people in life. I think a reform at the school level is needed in all places not just poor areas. Start in the Schools and people will be better and will ultimately treat each other better because equal opportunity not equal results will improve the nature of people. People need to feel and see the incentive in going for it or they will never believe and that has to change.

      The talk about race doesn’t help it just divides people. We need to get beyond that. I thought we did years ago but was mistaken by that. I know several black people that don’t feel like a victim because they are black. This victim hood is a cancer and will not help black people evolve. The woke culture is not going to help this. Only create more victims. Again not good for growth. Which is the ultimate goal. Also the crab in the bucket mentality in the ghettos are creating black on black crime and in other poor areas. If a person is willing to go work hard and be somebody that is considered “white” by some neighborhoods and that is a shame. It’s cooler to be ghetto and adopt gangster rap culture. Which is limiting in mentality and will only cause depression and hatred later in life because that is not what people respond to positively.

      This is my two cents on everything.

      • harrybucman

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        Balla just my two cents:
        Tim Scott has aspirations to become POS so he’s working to gain favor with the Republican base. So he’s feeding them exactly what they want to hear. I do agree with him. America is not as racist country per say. But there are way more racist here than we want to admit. No way to actually measure but I believe 40% of the populace. But it’s not the overt racist like KKron that are the biggest problem, it’s the people like you who don’t even realize how big of a problem it is. Tim Scott admits he’s been unjustly pulled over far too many times. Why? What ever the reason is, it’s a systematic problem.

        America was far from the first country to abolish slavery. Check your history.

        You mention welfare as a racial issue. But do you know there are more whites on welfare than minorities. Why is it a greater detriment to minority cultural development.

        You have a problem with ” woke culture”. Well “wokeness’ is nothing more than keeping important social and political issues in the forefront of public consciousness rather than sweeping them under he rug or refusing to address them. Like you seem to prefer. Just like the alcoholic anonymous principle. You can never solve a problem until you admit you have a problem. Racism is a greater problem than you realize.

        You mention rap. I hate it myself, but it’s selling like crazy. But do you realize more whites buy that trash than minorities. So can you please explain why you think it’s more socially damaging to the minority culture.

      • FireLicht2020

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        There is too much stupid in this bucballa post to point out.

        read a book

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      This is illogical

      “If you work really hard you can make it …therefore there is no systemic racism”

      Huh?

      It’s a strange thing to watch people who are mostly white conservatives just ignore actual facts, many actual examples posted here. Stranger yet is to combine that approach with “don’t talk about it because it’s divisive”

      It’s divisive precisely because it rings true. If I said “the moon is made of marshmallow” no one would be offended because it obviously not true. If I said “one reason there are so many gangs and gun death in the south of Chicago is US housing policies forced African Americans into tight, urban areas” the result would be anger? That makes no sense. It’s a FACT that uS housing policies were as described.

      Race is a divisive issue for sure but they doesn’t mean it should be off limits to discuss. In fact that’s precisely why it should be discussed

    • FireLicht2020

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      There is no racism, but here are 10 things that aren’t racist that I think are racist because racism doesn’t exist.

      The fuck… did I just read

    • Kermit56

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      There is too much stupid in this bucballa post to point out.

      read a book

      Typical leftist reply. One must be stupid if one doesn’t agree with your point of view?

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      There is too much stupid in this bucballa post to point out.

      read a book

      Typical leftist reply. One must be stupid if one doesn’t agree with your point of view?

      Kermit, in this thread there are 3 or concrete examples discussed at some length

      Do you think there is systemic racism in America?

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      @Kermit56

      Asked this question because the typical Trumper response in this thread seems to be to ignore the facts posted here or the entire topics, so here’s your chance to standout from the crowd :-)

      Kidding aside, I don’t think the long post from BB is dumb I would only say common.

      There is too much stupid in this bucballa post to point out.

      read a book

      Typical leftist reply. One must be stupid if one doesn’t agree with your point of view?

      Kermit, in this thread there are 3 or concrete examples discussed at some length

      Do you think there is systemic racism in America?

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      Hard to take anyone seriously when they think America was the first country to abolish slavery and thus, racism isn’t real…

      It’s ignorance… I’m the dumb one for having read it

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      Also usa was the first to abolish slavery

      To Fire’s point, does BB or any Trumper here want to defend this quoted statement as “fact”

      Maybe do so while decrying the 1619 Project lol

      (If you don’t grasp the link – ie that BB is unwittingly proving the very point of the authors of the 1619 Project – you should take the time to read a bit more.)

    • FireLicht2020

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      Am I a sensitive snowflake, or a big meanie?

      Which one is it?

    • Kermit56

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      There is too much stupid in this bucballa post to point out.

      read a book

      Typical leftist reply. One must be stupid if one doesn’t agree with your point of view?

      Kermit, in this thread there are 3 or concrete examples discussed at some length

      Do you think there is systemic racism in America?

      No, I do not. There is racism in USA, but it’s not systemic.

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      There is too much stupid in this bucballa post to point out.

      read a book

      Typical leftist reply. One must be stupid if one doesn’t agree with your point of view?

      Kermit, in this thread there are 3 or concrete examples discussed at some length

      Do you think there is systemic racism in America?

      No, I do not. There is racism in USA, but it’s not systemic.

      Thanks

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      Even Tim Scott says it’s systemic

      “Driving while black”

      He’s held up in this thread by Trumpers for the opposite point

      His own words then destroy that claim

      Zero change :-)

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      Cove Trumpers “no systemic racism”

      Texas GOP: “ hold our beer”

      Cove Trumpers: “no systemic racism”

    • FireLicht2020

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      Uhhh I didn’t know that…

      Can I call this guy a racist for doing this or is that against the rules, @jbear?

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      Also usa was the first to abolish slavery besides I think UK was before us but we were one of the first.

      And for the record, nothing beats a good dose of selective editing.

    • spartan

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      Uhhh I didn’t know that…

      Can I call this guy a racist for doing this or is that against the rules, @jbear?

      You could. And the guy challenging him really made him look pretty silly. But wouldn’t you rather verify if he really did not know before jumping to conclusions and fanning the flames?

      He looked kinda embarassed. Does he have a history of this kind of thing?

    • FireLicht2020

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      Occams razor… he’s whistleblowing.

      In this day and age it is almost impossible to not know the meaning of what he said…

      Now, does that mean he, in his heart of hearts is actually a racist? I’d actually lean toward no… I think he is knowingly USING the tactic because of the response it will get… IE it hits where he wants it to hit.

      Is it racist to knowingly do something racist when you aren’t racist? Seems like an oxymoron

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      wouldn’t you rather verify if he really did not know before jumping to conclusions and fanning the flames?

      Lol

      Shocking

    • Anonymous

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      Bristol Cain is no doubt fundraising of the “purity” issue

      One of the biggest alt-right Trumpian trolls in Texas and an attorney

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      For reference article 6, section 4 referenced by Cain

      https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CN/htm/CN.6.htm

      Note the Dagestan including the amendment

      Recall he says he read the registers/digests

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      Oops note the dates and, again, Briscoe said he read the digests

      https://lrl.texas.gov/scanned/sessionLaws/59-0/HJR_13.pdf

      The “purity of the ballot” language dates to at least the 1890s and the specific section was amended in 1966 (civil rights movement) and the effort to remove a long standing POLL TAX in Texas, painful to the white majority

      Including it is the equivalent of DeSantis telling white Floridians not to “monkey up” the vote or Perdue flying into Lakeland to tell a white Trump audience that the upcoming vote is “cotton pickin” important

      :-)

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      The “purity of the ballot” language dates to at least the 1890s

      Texas had dozens of JIM CROW laws (something Briscoe certainly knows)

      He certainly understood the significance of the amendment dates

      I already mentioned the poll tax above , but Texas also had this

      “ 1889: Railroads [Statute] Railroad companies required to maintain separate coaches for white and colored passengers, equal in comfort. Penalty: Passengers refusing to sit where assigned were guilty of a misdemeanor, and could be fined between $5 and $20.

      1891: Railroads [Statute] Separate coach laws strengthened. Separate coaches for white and Negro passengers to be equal in all points of comfort and convenience. Designed by signage posted in a conspicuous place in each compartment. Trains allowed to carry chair cars or sleeping cars for the exclusive use of either race. Law did not apply to streetcars. Penalty: Conductors who failed to enforce law faced misdemeanor charge punish able by a fine from $5 to $25. The railroad company could be fined from $100 to $1,000 for each trip. Passengers who refused to sit in designated areas faced fines from $5 to $25.”

      WHY WOULD THAT RAILROAD LANGUAGE MATTER?

      Louisiana had a similar statute

      Mr Plessy challenged it

      That may mean nothing to you, BUT presume Briscoe is well aware of the significance IN THE CONTEXT OF CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT

    • FireLicht2020

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      Good research… but the best part, it is so freaking obvious…

      It isn’t just him, it is the thematic approach to dog whistling.

      Across the board… some obvious, some less so.

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      thematic approach to dog whistling.

      this

      and its Trumpism 101, do what you can for attention, good or bad. Internet trolling as a political strategy

      Jim Jordan

      Devin Nunes

      Josh hawley

      Ted Cruz

      etc

      (Ted Cruz has been getting destroyed by Trevor Noah on Twitter, but hes fine with it because it riles up his base when he uses his Harvard education to rail about Trevor Noah the “ELTIST.”)

    • Anonymous

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      Trumpism 101, do what you can for attention, good or bad. Internet trolling as a political strategy

      AT SOME POINT THE VOTERS WHO RESPOND TO THIS APPROACH — EVERY TIME, NO MATTER HOW MANY LIES AND “NOTHINGBURGERS” BEFORE — ARE THE ONES TO BLAME

      Any reasonably informed person knows that the carnival balloon game has weighted darts, the basketball rim is higher and smaller, the tarot card reader CANNOT actually see the future . . . but some still keep giving money to win the big bear or “talk to a dead uncle.”

      These purchasers are not victims.

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      Cove: “no systemic racism because here’s our black friend Tim”

      Tim: “I’ve experienced ‘driving while black”

      Cove: “nope no systemic racism”

      Reality:

      “ (CNN)A Black employee of the Defense Department should not have been stopped by Virginia state troopers, says a prosecutor who dismissed the four charges against her and wants an investigation into what happened.

      Juanisha Brooks told CNN she was driving to her Alexandria, Virginia, home on March 6 when she was stopped by a pair of Virginia State Police officers.
      A video obtained by CNN shows one of the troopers demanding Brooks get out of her car, but he said he would not tell her why until after she got out. Brooks keeps asking for a reason and is eventually pulled from her vehicle.”

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