I doubt you’ll have a single Trumpette here actually respond to THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS VIDEO, beyond the “snowflake” response you got from Buggsy (that’s the word, right?), which, ironically, only reinforced the speaker’s point.
Just like the speaker suggests, Trumpetttes focus on “riots” and “Antifa” and “law and order” and Candace Owen saying “Floyd was bad” and Williams saying “black people are the problem” and “monuments”. . . . to DEFLECT from actually LISTENING to what this person is saying.
This ignoring of the issue OF RACISM has been going on for decades – it is literally the objective of the Lost Cause – so that is why you can have a speaker like this in 2020 able to use a 1966 quote by MLK: “a riot is the language of the unheard.”
The cycle continues and the police murder of Garner becomes the police murder of Floyd . . . THE PEACEFUL PROTESTS of Garner go unheard . . and then a young man is “lynched” in GA and two local prosecutors don’t even charge (the white response” we don’t need hate crimes”) . . and then Floyd is murdered . . nothing has been done, so riots begin . . AND THEN BROOKS IS KILLED . .
and the cycle just repeats – “law and order” and “why destroy things” and “monuments” and “Floyd was bad” (just like “Garner was bad”)
[quote quote=1292754]. . .there are a ton of white Trump supporters who espouse those same beliefs, so why was it important to you that she was black?
This point seems to be lost on some of you[/quote]
[quote quote=1292859]Your response to the current problem in the country was to post BLACK people to support your point of view . . . but OTHERS are the RACE baiters?
seems legit, especially in a thread called “another BLACK woman . . .”[/quote]
[quote quote=1292865]It was a white guy who created the “another BLACK woman:” thread. White guys on each thread, pointing out BLACK people who agree with them . .
and then calling others race-baiters . .
in a thread ENTITLED “another BLACK woman . .” which is a sequel to a thread entitled a “BLACK woman” and an COUSIN to a thread entitled . . . .
(Kidding aside, the idea of using the color of a persons skin to LEGITIMIZE a point of view, that is often antagonistic to the entire group of people with that color of skin . . is almost minstrel show level racism, in and of itself, but even putting that aside its just an obvious LOGICAL flaw because the argument that Candace Owens is representative or Walter Williams is representative of 40 million African Americans OBVIOUSLY cuts against the FACT of their NOTORIETY, right? I mean, Glenn Beck has Candance Ownes on her show PRECISELY because she is going to offer a controversial THOUGHT. Walter Williams offers white people “certificates of amnesty and pardon” precisely because its controversial. That Buggsy would create a thread about Ben Shaprio interviewing him — AS A REBUTTAL TO a point made in a Candace own thread — is just icing . . lol)[/quote]
Void of any and all shame or self-awareness, the race-baiting, hypocritical POS just cannot help himself.
Biggs, watch the video and comment please. I’m hoping we can actually talk about it instead of the usual crap.
If you don’t want to, fine… but just leave the thread if that’s the case.
Couple points that I really appreciated:
All lives matter – COVID is our focus right now. That doesn’t mean that cancer, or ALS, or LG diseases don’t matter. But right now COVID is killing people so that is the focus.
The same can be said of black lives. Felt like that was a great analogy.
Rioting is the voice of the unheard… so true. So many attempts at peaceful demonstrations that were thwarted. Kaep tried to peacefully protest and it was about the flag… well what do you expect? You ignore it long enough and it will come to a head. The example with his mom throwing herself against the wall when her sister died.
The next episode is great as well… I just wanted to hear what the “other side” felt about the topics.
In fairness wasn’t it really crown/Virgin/handkerchief who actually said that white people who post videos of black people disagreeing with Joe “you ain’t black” Biden were racist for trying to manipulate black voters into voting against their own interests…?
Ok fire. The guy claims that peaceful protest never accomplished anything so riots are OK…he then quotes Mlk without acknowledging that his civil rights movement was a success and accomplished more than anyone ever dreamed… He says Cap, a guy too dumb to vote is a brilliant leader because he had a temper tantrum about being a shitty Qb and had to figure out another way to get attention. he says more dumb shit and I think I’m supposed to be ashamed of myself for saying any of that because he has black skin….or because I have white skin?
Buggsy takes a couple shots THE POSTERS, never addresses the substance of the video, basically cries foul, as us usual . . .
JBear comes in and posts something that is CLEARLY a troll, mocking, ending with “I think is should feel guilty” etc . . . OBVIOUSLY . . obviously a troll (“The guy claims that peaceful protest never accomplished anything so riots are OK”). CLEARLY not an attempt to have a constructive conversation about any of it.
“It’s a real wonder why more people didn’t take you up on your request to “chat about it constructively” in your OP
The thought that a black person can’t succeed without a white person’s help is about as demeaning and racist as one can be. As a former teacher when segregation was eliminated and I taught at an inner city school I had achieving kids with all races and I had likewise non-achieving kids of all races as well. All were treated the same. The point has always been you get out of education what you put into it no matter what the color of your skin.
As to the video the guy was far too cavalier with his dismissive remarks towards rioting looting and killing of minorities and the horrible numbers of Black abortions and Black on black killing.
Yes there are overt racists on both sides but they are a huge minority.
What is most disturbing is ignorant white leftists destroying statues. Just a bunch of losers that refuse to make right choices in their lives. They believe in socialism and the Free Lunch.
“The thought that a black person can’t succeed without a white person’s help is about as demeaning and racist as one can be”
That would be demeaning, but its fiction too. Its what an ignorant racist whose angry at herself or himself says as a deflection BECAUSE the other side’s argument is NOT
“a black person can’t succeed without a white person’s help “
Its that the playing field is not level. That there is a systemic bias, whether that be in housing, banking, police, justice etc. There so much evidence of that I will not waste my time listing it for you. But you don’t have to look further than The Cove to see that point because its right here in the comments, where you have white people blaming Mexican workers for low prices (not the WHITE contractor who hires them) or white people saying there’s no voter suppression because the lazy black people voted for Barrack Obama . . or white people who deny that the weeks of worldwide riots were based on black reality and instead were because of “Antifa.”
ITs not CONICIDENCE that every example I just posted is a Trump message, so maybe get mad a t Trump because he sure seems to think it resonates with some of you.
Other than you, Runole, I doubt most of the other posters here are actually racists. In fact, I will say they are NOT racists. I just think that most of them are brainwashed by the cocoon that they live in, so they parrot all kinds of nonsensical DEFLECTIONS here because they never thought it through themselves and because the topic of race in America is uncomfortable.
This point about deflecting with cocoon nonsense, was absolutely PUNCTUATED with an exclamation point when someone posted Ben Shapiro interviewing Walt Williams in response to a massive string of black people murder by cops or Candance Owen DEFLECTING from the cops behavior by saying, essentially, Floyd deserved it. That’s not much different than “those lazy n—-s can get out and vote when they want to, who cares that we reduced 300 polling stations to ONE.” Those comments are all over the alt-right. IB posted Candance because it was all over Glenn Beck etc.
I don’t think the people that post that nonsense are racist, I think they are just avoiding the issue of racism with talking points fed to them in the cocoon, which AGAIN was the point of Schiano’s video . . you know, the video that none of you white guys have actually commented on . . .
Runole, you once posted you were previously a teacher. There is no way in hell you were an English teacher. Here’ the proof that you were not an English teacher:
““a black person can’t succeed without a white person’s help “
When you have to create your own twisted argument to replace the other side’s argument, it stands out as complete intellectual surrender to most people with a brain. Thinking that the playing field is sloped against many black people is not even close to thinking “a black person can’t succeed without a white person’s help”
Very eloquent I admit, however nobody has yet to explain to me exactly what my white privilege is. My family was poor as dirt back in the day so not sure exactly how their whiteness helped them out. It wasn’t until my Dad rose in the enlisted ranks of the Army that we were able to have anything that resembled nice things, let alone privilege.
A couple of other observations.
1. Not saying that there is no racism, but I believe that as long as black people continue talking in terms of “you white people” and seeing every slight or indignation through the prism of racism, it is going to be hard to resolve the problem. No, before anyone leaps in, I am not saying everything is the fault of black people, but I am suggesting that not everything bad, or even not nice, that happens to a black person is driven by white supremacy.
2. What is it going to take to resolve this problem? I am not asking for flowery speeches on equality and hardship, but concrete steps that would, in the eyes of black Americans make them think that progress is being made. For example, you go into the corporate world and there is a plethora of rules, regulations, training modules with the sole purpose of leveling the playing field for minorities.
For the record my immediate family is very diverse. We have black, white, Indian (sub continent), Thai, mixed race, immigrants, Europeans and US born. This is not me saying I know or fully understand, but I do get exposed to a range of opinion and when my ignorance is exposed, they are not shy in saying so.
Hey thanks @spartan for a well thought out reply. Really appreciate the civility.
I don’t have an answer to your questions as I’m not an expert but I think your attitude is exactly what is needed to bring people together.
The only thing I’ll say to add to your story. I am white and also grew up relatively poor… I say relatively because the dotcom bubble caused my dad to lose his job and his 401k as the company he worked for went bankrupt, and his share holdings were lost etc…
So I grew up lower middle class until about 10 or 12… then we were essentially poor.
So I get it… the BLM shouldn’t undermine other’s struggles at all. It isn’t a competition. Their struggles are just different.
Another example… I’ve had terrible experiences with cops. Does it compare to feeling threatened? No… but all the same, that’s why I also feel like police reform is so necessary. It isn’t JUST about how they treat minorities.
I’ve said this before that when a cop pulls up behind me I feel more nervous than safe. That’s as a white man. So BLM doesn’t undermine that feeling… but it fails in comparison to feeling threatened vs nervous.
Anyway, that is an anecdotal story that I think personifies how I feel.
Same as the analogy he offers in the video… COVID vs other diseases… it doesn’t make them inconsequential.
There are plenty of white people who face discrimination because they are poor and that includes the working poor of Manchester :-)
In America though, there is a deep seated institutional racism that exist today because MANY white people deny its existence, as you have seen in this thread. So to answer one of your questions, the first thing it takes is for some (not all) WHITE to confront their own ingrained thoughts . . . and that is the exact point of the video, or one of the points, PROVEN by most of the responses here BY WHITE PEOPLE
There are countless examples of institutional racism — housing, lending etc — LAWS passed by largely white legislators to “deal” with black people. So, here’s just ONE example.
When the Civil Right movement occurred in the 60s, it had a substantial portion fo the country (just like today, think about that) denying the need. The result of that denial (which existed since the civil war and beyond to today) was HOUSING & BANKING policies that aggregated black people in urban areas and opportunity that moved white people to the suburbs. That LEGISLATED TACTIC is very well documented, so I will not bother, BUT to illustrate that the DENIAL exists today I offer THREE different PROOFS, one of which you touched on
1) BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO GET THEIR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER – on these board YOU SEE WHITE GOP PEOPLE BLAME Dems for “mismanaging ” cities, but if you go to Chicago, as one example, you will see Black people PACKED into south chichago (by lending and policy) and BEAUTUL, wealthy WHITE neighborhoods to the south. tHAT IS THE RESULT OF intentional housing and BANKING POLICY, (here’s the proof) BUT WHITE PEOPLE PORTRAY IT SOLELY AS black people not controlling their own. Just the other day someone posted Walt William, who actually argues that Black people don’t deserve help because they kill each other (a racist trope if ever there was one
2) CORNAVIRUS –Black people have taken a double hit from Coronavirus, dying more and losing more jobs. Why? because their living conditions are mostly tightly packed cities and they have lesser access to regular care because they have, generally speaking, inferior jobs . . .INFERIOR CLINICS.
3. CORPORATE WORLD (you’re point)- generally, black people have the type of service jobs that don’t come back as quickly from something like CV or economic downturn. Pick almost any big corporate entity or industry — the NFL is good example – and you will see the numbers skewed to Black in the low level jobs. So yes, there are policies to help with employment, but still racism is one reason black NFL coaches don’t ascend the HC, why the corporate black man is usually the worker, not the C-suite. THE PROOF OF MY POINT : GO TO THE RED BOARD NOW AND LOOK AT THE NFL COACHING THTREAD. You will find come of the same white oople in this thread arguing that a couple white coaches having long career paths to HC proves that there is no racism at work in NFLH HC jobs even thought eh actual statistics are obvious
Its that kind of mindset — always denying that the racism exists in the first place (posting Candace Owen, Ben Shapiro etc) THAT IS THE CORE PORBLEM.
3. LIFE SECURITY — there is a poster here who is clearly white, clearly modest education, but has probably vied a pretty good suburban life and hes pretty old (judging by posts). That same person born black is MUCH more likely to be living in an urban environment and much more likely to not grow old and that INCLUDES the risk of getting killed by cops (the topic that started this thread and others). The WHITE mindset you see here in response to that is “Floyd was a bad person.” He may have been BUT THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACt THAT THE WHITE PEOPLE HERE IGNORE, which include that St Paul is laegely different that neignboring Minneapoli and that in the black community in that area, Geroge Floyd’s death at the hands of police was the 4th or 5th death since Phlando Castile near by. IN OTHER WORDS, white privilege’ is, in npart, the reality that you can be a modestly educated white person and still avoid many of the riosks that occur regularly for the modestly educated urban black person.
SO, IF YOU SUMMED UP THE VIDEO IS IT A BLACK MAN TRYOGN NTO EXPLAIN TO WHOTE PEOPLE WHY THEY SHOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF RACE AS UNCOMPFRTBALE AS IT IS.
THE WHITE RESPONSE IN THIS THREAD and others WAS LARGLEY (NOT EXCLUSIVELY)
1. TO IGNORE IT (eg Buggsy)
2. To Mock it (JBear sai that speaker say “riots are ok” when he actually said, just like MLK, that people riot when they feel unheard. Black people in Minneapolic right when 4 olr 5 black men have died at the hand of cops from Castille to Floyd and there is no change
3. To post black people because their view agrees with the white person – so “forget the millions protesting for weeks, here’s a black person who agrees that my thoughts are not racist” BUT TO SIMULTANEOUSLY IGNORE THIS BLACK PERSON SPEAKING
4. to say black people are lazy so theres no white people trying to hold them back from voting EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A GOD DAMN VOTING RIGHTS ACT lmao
THOSE 4 THINGS DONT MAKE THE POSTERS RACISTS — I WANT TO MAKE THAT PIOINT VERY CLEAR AGAIN – IT JUST MAKES THEM WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNWILLING TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM . . .
THATS THE REASON THAT THIS 2020 SPEAKER CAN STILL QUOTE 1960S MLK AND SAY riots are the voice of the unheard.”
YES, @SPARTAN . . THANKS FOR AT LEAST REPONDING ON THE SUBSTANCE
Its actually “white privilege” that allows so many white people to ignore this issue. No one is dying in the affluent white suburban neighborhoods of norther Chicago like they are on the southside.
Its white privilege that blames the immigrant meat packing plant worker for “stealing” jobs instead of the WHITE GUYS who are making millions off those workers.
The 2020 “riots” are just the next steps in a race issue that has existed at least since Grant decided to let Lee walk his troops home :-) (instead of dealing with the race issue directly then and since)
little humor to end the post
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