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    • creamsicles

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      I think we all agree that this team has a strong roster; nevertheless, there is always room for competition. I personally hope the Bucs will draft Edge, OL, and DL to replace high cap players in 2022. This would add rotational players and depth in 2021 and set this team up for long-term success as the cap becomes more of a barrier; nevertheless, I do believe addressing the “weakest links” is another viable strategy.

      Based on the full season and trying to avoid recency bias, I think our “weakest” starters are:
      1. WR3 (Bucs used WR3 about 70% of plays if I read stats properly)
      2. Whitehead
      3. SMB
      4. Starting RB (though I think overall position group is strong for 2021)
      5. Cappa

      Where do you see the potential starter upgrades?

      Although I find Edge 3 critical, I didn’t include it since it’s not a starter. If included, I’d put it as #1.

    • Boid Fink

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      BurnMe Bunting for sure.

    • RHBucsFan

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      We have none. Crown us!

    • Barnz1

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      Probably a 34 year old Suh. Very conceivable his play regresses further.

      Important to stock up the trenches in this draft to counter that so we rotate our Dline more than we were able to last year. Fresh legs will help Suh, JPP and co.

    • adkindo

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      SMB

    • Boid Fink

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      He don’t the worst starter dude. It’s clearly and far away SMB.

      Probably a 34 year old Suh. Very conceivable his play regresses further.

      Important to stock up the trenches in this draft to counter that so we rotate our Dline more than we were able to last year. Fresh legs will help Suh, JPP and co.

    • Alldaway 2.0

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      R. Cockrell is already back on the roster in the event SMB regresses.

      Mike Edwards actually looked good so he and Whitehead will make it interesting.

      Miller/Johnson actually looked good although I want to see AB back.

      Cappa looked good while he was still playing. Stinnie played well in a pinch.

      I am going to say KR/PR return specialist. Bucs need a legit return specialist. It was brutally bad.

      Followed by a legit gunner. Losing R. Smith is going to be a problem if the Bucs don’t find an ace gunner.

      Build the trenches!

    • delgreco

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      put me down for SMB as well

    • Hockey Duckie

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      Weakest starter is at Center with Jensen. Also, we don’t have backup center of talent on the roster. Grabbing an iOL in the draft is important. Heck, I think we need a starting RG and shift Cappa to center. Cappa has the same athleticism as Jensen, but younger and cheaper. At RG, we need a stronger and more mobile player.

    • m_j

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      regular season smb

    • JC5100

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      Jensen, Cappa and I’ll throw one out there… Suh

    • seekpar

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      Hate to pile on, but SMB for sure. Dude couldn’t cover the bed if he was a blanket. Some redemption in the playoffs, but show us what you got during the regular season.

    • Alldaway 2.0

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      It isn’t a pile on because I think between SMB, Jensen, Cappa, and Suh that SMB was the weakest one for most of the season.

      Also, why isn’t Rojo part of this list? RoJo is a nice complimentary back that showed promise last year but still not enough to be a full time starter.

      Build the trenches!

      • Hockey Duckie

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        We don’t include Rojo because we have a lot of other options that can be the starter. LoL

    • buc-in-out

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      Everyone’s shitting on SMB but during our mid season drought the whole secondary was terrible, as was the defensive play calling. Soft zone coverage, simple predictable and ineffective pass rush, the corners got BBQ’d. It didn’t seem like there was any team specific game plan until our bye week.

      Down the stretch and into the playoffs it looked like the DBs were communicating much better, Bowles was dialing up lots of disguised looks and having Vea back got JPP and Shaq plenty of 1v1 looks.

      All that said, there aren’t many weak starters on the team so it’d be a toss up between Whitehead, SMB and Cappa. Not many teams have the talent we do across the board. We have the best front 7 in the NFL, no question about it.

      If you asked me early in the year, my answer would be way too easy, Don Smith… but he stepped it up big time down the stretch.

    • BuccaNOLEer

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      WR 3 won’t be an issue once AB is back in the fold.

      SMB might’ve improved in the playoffs but I’ll have to see if he can keep that up over the course of an entire season before removing the weak label from him.

    • leeroybuc93

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      SMB was injured for much of the year. Arians mentioned it a few times. I mean, he’s still probably the weakest starter until he proves otherwise but if he’s healthy he might prove otherwise pretty quickly. If that happens then I’m looking at Dean or Whitehead.

    • BadabingBucs

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      On defense – While Whitehead, Bunting, Dean have ups and downs, they are young and have potential.

      Gholston is ok. I think given the age of JPP, Suh, Gholston, as well as Vea coming off injury and Barrett hoping to maintain elite perfomrance; i dont see how we don’t go defensive line, edge with 2 picks in the first 3 rounds.

      as far as secondary, i can see later round picks at either CB or S but dont expect any impact players.

      on offense – we just extended Smith and Cappa/Jensen are a free agent next year. Dont see any room in the WR/TE/RB room so could see us drafting a developmental QB and interior offensive line

      Something like this in the draft:

      1. Edge
      2. DT/DE
      3. OL
      4. QB
      5. S/CB
      6. S/CB

    • buccnation

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      Suh, Jensen, SMB, and possibly WR 3 (but I think miller and Johnson can be very good WR3s). Also back up edge is not a starter but our depth at edge is extremely poor.

      We really need to draft edge, DT, and oline. I see Suh regressing even more and eventually he will not be able to be a starter. It could happen this year.

      Hopefully we can get a good edge and DT prospect early this year.

    • Boid Fink

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      No he isnot. You’re just running an agenda, and we all know it.

      Weakest starter is at Center with Jensen. Also, we don’t have backup center of talent on the roster. Grabbing an iOL in the draft is important. Heck, I think we need a starting RG and shift Cappa to center. Cappa has the same athleticism as Jensen, but younger and cheaper. At RG, we need a stronger and more mobile player.

      • BucsSavant

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        It’s really comical at this point….then regurgitates the same tired blurb of “move Cappa/stinnie to center” as if he’s playing madden….clearly doesn’t understand the game at all, much less O-line play. Low IQ individual.

      • Hockey Duckie

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        PFF Grades, 2020 OL

          LT Smith: 72.1
          LG Marpet: 86.7
          C Jensen: 64.9
          RG Cappa: 69.0
          RT Wirfs*: 82.2
          * = rookie

        Jensen is making $10 mil. Maybe if you were educated enough to know that in Cappa’s rookie season, he was learning how to play center. If we do draft a guard that can displace Cappa this year, then Cappa can learn to play center. We have a solution at center going into 2022.

        Long term thinking isn’t often available to the masses. I’m just glad I can help shine that light that many refuse to do the work to find.

    • Roy

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      I think as of right now Whitehead is the weakest link, which isn’t meant to be a knock on him. He hits hard and can cause turnovers. He obviously gets the most out of his talent. But I’d rather see him as a backup. Also, I think he’s injury prone. He’s going to come up with more injuries in the future with the way he plays.

      • Hockey Duckie

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        Whitehead might be the weakest link on defense, but not on the team. I still reserve that for Cappa.

        Whitehead does his job well and is a very good complement to AWJ. Last off-season, I said we were missing an S1… and S2, but doubt we can get both in the same draft. AWJ is S1. We could use an improvement at S2, but I value the trench more now that we have AWJ.

    • buc_boi

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      Weakest starter is at Center with Jensen. Also, we don’t have backup center of talent on the roster. Grabbing an iOL in the draft is important. Heck, I think we need a starting RG and shift Cappa to center. Cappa has the same athleticism as Jensen, but younger and cheaper. At RG, we need a stronger and more mobile player.

      It’s become hilarious that other members are now calling you out on your agenda.

    • buc_boi

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      Honestly I’m surprised White didn’t make anyone’s list.

      And that’s not trolling

    • J.A.S.H.E.R.

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      I like all of our starters except for Pinion. It’s easy to say Dean but look how solid he was down the stretch, we missed him vs the Chiefs in the regular season but was a significant piece in the SB.

      Also easy to say SMB but he was injured a lot and in the playoffs we saw what he could do.

      Yes we have starters weaker than others but our weakest links are not too weak. You look at the TB Lightning right now, defending Champs but their 1 or 2 weaknesses are disastrous and needs to be fixed or they won’t go far. The “weakest” spots for the Bucs are nowhere near that as far as starters go IMO.

    • FireLicht2020

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      Hard to evaluate this. Once Bowles figured out we weren’t a soft zone, cover 2 defense… everyone came together and played better as a unit.

      So to say SMB is the worst… well once the scheme adjusted he was much better. Just a tough one to truly evaluate.

      Are we talking about the 7-5 Bucs or the team that won 8 straight to win the Super Bowl?

      If I had to pick based on the latter (who played the worst when we played the best) I’d have to see the grades.

      Suh regressed but his value is tenacity and gap integrity.

      SMB was boom or bust, but he was big when it mattered most.

      Cappa got hurt and was average at best.

      Pinion wasn’t great.

      Godwin struggled too, but that was his finger.

      Jensen gets love for tenacity as well but he wasn’t winning at the line for his pay…

      So my vote would be Jensen, Pinion, and Cappa

    • BucsSavant

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      Pinion is very solid on kickoffs, very replaceable as a punter. Couple that with his 2.8 million cap hit and it’s fair to wonder if he will be on the team in 2021(at least without taking a paycut).

    • buccnation

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      I don’t get why people love Jenson. He’s not that good and is overpaid. And he likes to start dumb shit and sometimes plays after the whistle.

      PFF has him as the 19th best center and 4th worst in pass protection.

      • BucsSavant

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        When people quote PFF grades for offensive linemen, I know to disregard them and anything they say going forward.

      • buccnation

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        When people quote PFF grades for offensive linemen, I know to disregard them and anything they say going forward.

        Did what I say hurt your feelings? My take doesn’t agree with your thoughts so you will no longer listen to anything I say moving forward? Haha solid take man. That’s a win for me in my book.

      • BucsSavant

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        That’s the point, you don’t have a take. You don’t have anything to contribute so you regurgitate numbers. Redundant and worthless, just like your response. Enjoy your win!

      • buccnation

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        Someone salty that the numbers I provided doesn’t correspond with their agenda?

        For someone that commented on my post, you didn’t provide any feedback on Jenson. Why is he good?

      • BucsSavant

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        I’ve just had my fill of “fantasy football” generation fans with no actual football knowledge. Why do you agree with these numbers? Why do you hold them as gospel without any personal analysis backing them up? I’ve defended Jensen ad nauseam on this board lately, look it up if you’re actually interested in why I find so much value in his play. If my word/opinion isn’t enough for you and your little equations, go listen to what someone like Jeff Saturday(who would know good center play) says about him. In short, come with something other than the same redundant, arbitrary PFF grades every other NPC on this board does.

      • Hockey Duckie

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        I hear you discounting PFF, but you have no citation of your own to counter. There’s a plethora of sources out there, but you remain quiet on your own evaluation.

        You fit into the same group of people who cannot hold a proper discussion because you have nothing worthwhile to support your stance.

        Anyhow, your type of discussion are very lazy. Here are more sources than PFF.

        Rush yards per game, Regular season

          2018: 95.2
          2019: 95.1
          2020: 94.9

        That’s near the bottom of the league in production.

        Football Outsiders, OL rank 2018

          Power (1-3 yards for a 1st down): 22nd
          2nd level (5-10 yards): 27th
          Mid/Guard run freq: 65%, 15th best in yard production
          Sack rate: 15th (6.6%)

        Football Outsiders, OL rank 2019

          Power (1-3 yards for a 1st down): 30th
          2nd level (5-10 yards): 28th
          Mid/Guard run freq: 70%, 19th best in yard production
          Sack rate: 22nd (7.6%)

        Football Outsiders, OL rank 2020

          Power (1-3 yards for a 1st down): 1st
          2nd level (5-10 yards): 21st
          Mid/Guard run freq: 62%, 7th best in yard production
          Sack Rate: 3rd (4.3%)

        Between 2019-20 off-season, Marpet had hip surgery. That’s what caused a huge spike in the run production in 2020. Jensen came to the Bucs in 2018. No real positive spike in the run game until 2020, where Marpet blossomed. We see that via the eye test and supported by PFF, ESPN, and FBO.

        Our sack rate improved due to having Brady as QB.

        BTW, PFF cites Jensen had 4 sacks allowed and 4 penalties during the regular season. How is that an amazing feat for a player who was made the highest paid center in the NFL in 2018?

        Are we getting the best or one of the best centers at top-end center salary ($10 mil per year)? The answer is as astoundingly no.

      • BucsSavant

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        Again, non-nuanced take. Doubling down on your agenda with more stats, comical and in this case obfuscating. You cite the rushing yards as if it’s a direct condemnation on Jensen, not taking into account things such as playcalling, constantly being down huge margins due to Winston turning the ball over, playing catch up. Do you really mean to tell me you think Jensen is a bad run blocker? Do you see him getting beat at the line of scrimmage? You offer nothing in terms of evaluation, because you don’t understand the game past a pop Warner, madden, fantasy football level. If you did, you would see Jensen is a force on the line of scrimmage, as well as a leader and agitator. Argue that he is slightly overpaid if you want, but to claim he is not an upper-tier center is futile. There are some, who’s opinion is infinitely more informed than your own, that believe he is in fact the very best center in the league. Your agenda is as inherently wrong as it is pathetic, and no numbers that you waste time researching are going to change that, little guy.

      • buc_boi

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        I’m starting to wonder what is it Jensen did to you?

        Dudes just a center, and clearly if what you say is true, doesn’t have that much of an impact on the outcome of these games(clearly).

        So what gives with this 3 year long agenda against the man for?

        Was he an ass to you at a signing or something?

    • JC5100

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      I don’t get why people love Jenson. He’s not that good and is overpaid. And he likes to start dumb shit and sometimes plays after the whistle.

      PFF has him as the 19th best center and 4th worst in pass protection.

      There’s value in that. Trueblood wasn’t the best but he did bring a toughness and bully attitude that can benefit the team. Jensen’s biggest issue is his fucking snaps.

    • Donkey_Hunter

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      SMB is the 3rd best corner on the team, so he’s probably the pick.

      Cappa and Suh after that.

      WR3 is not an issue even if AB isn’t back.

    • RW

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      No he isnot. You’re just running an agenda, and we all know it.

      Weakest starter is at Center with Jensen. Also, we don’t have backup center of talent on the roster. Grabbing an iOL in the draft is important. Heck, I think we need a starting RG and shift Cappa to center. Cappa has the s