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      Deciphering the Buccaneers’ quarterback preferences By Sander Philipse?Apr 29 2014, 9:52pmqb_zps30c23ae7.jpgBrian Bahr What characteristics do the Tampa Bay Buccaneers really look for in a quarterback? What kind of quarterback do the Tampa Bay Buccaneers want? That's a very difficult question to answer, given the limited information we have. Sure, there are a few snippets of quotes and analysis we can use, but none of us has a great view of the team's preference at quarterback -- which is certainly part of the reason why we see every quarterback under the sun brought up as a possibility for Lovie Smith and company. Lovie Smith's own words One of the first moves the Bucs made in free agency was to sign Josh McCown to be the team's starter. Lovie Smith was, by all indications, the driving factor behind that decision: he knows McCown from his days in Chicago, likes his physical gifts and mental demeanor and trusts him to run the team's offense. "He's a very good athlete," Smith said at the NFL owners' meetings. "He won't get the credit for being the athlete that he is. He brings mobility to the position. He makes good decisions." This theme of mobility and athleticism was a running theme throughout Smith's offseason press conferences. "Things that Mike would say that he needs to work on, he's been told all his life, mobility a little bit more, active in the pocket, some of those things." Smith has mentioned other factors, too, including arm strength, decision making, leadership and every other trait you can think of. But mobility is the one trait that keeps recurring in Smith's talks. Lovie Smith's quarterback history Lovie Smith as the Chicago Bears' head coach, saw a ridiculous amount of quarterbacks come and go. 12 different quarterbacks threw at least one pass under Lovie Smith, and while there's a wide variation in height, mobility and accuracy, one characteristic keeps popping up: arm strength. Rex Grossman, though he wasn't selected by Lovie Smith, had one defining characteristic: a strong arm, and little else. Jonathan Quinn, his first quarterback draft pick, had a strong arm. Chad Hutchinson, the two-sport athlete who couldn't hack it either in the MLB or the NFL, was one of Lovie Smith's first quarterback addition to the Bears when he became head coach. Defining characteristic: strong arm. Jeff Blake, Kyle Orton, Caleb Hanie, Jason Campbell, Josh McCown: all were gifted with strong arms. And then there's Jay Cutler, who has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. Not every single Lovie Smith quarterback had a strong arm: Craig Krenzel, Todd Collins and Brian Griese weren't gifted with rifles for arms, and both Krenzel and Griese started a handful of games under Smith. But the overriding theme for Lovie Smith's quarterback choices has been arm strength. Andy Dalton need not apply. Lovie Smith wasn't necessarily making these quarterback decisions. He was never the general manager in Chicago, and did not have final say over their personnel decisions. Similarly, he wasn't the offensive coordinator, and the organization tended to adjust to the coordinators' wishes -- which is why they traded away star tight end Greg Olsen when they hired Mike Martz, a coach who has little use for receiving tight ends. So don't take Lovie Smith's selection of quarterbacks in Chicago as a definite guide to his preferences for quarterbacks in Tampa. Those decisions in Chicago weren't fully his, and he has a new offensive coordinator with his own preferences. Those factors matter. Jeff Tedford's history Speaking of that offensive coordinator, we know a few things about Jeff Tedford, too. He values mobility and a quick release in his quarterbacks, judging by the quarterbacks he has produced in his years in the NFL and his coaching method. One defining characteristic of Jeff Tedford's school of mechanics is high ball carriage. He's lowered that carriage point over the years, presumably because he figured out it only hurts quarterbacks, but the original aim of that carriage point was to produce a quick release. That, his intelligence and arm strength, and his mobility are what Tedford noted about Aaron Rodgers way back in 2003. That also fits what Tedford has shown on film in college. He had a preference for quick, defined throws, and for quarterbacks who could move with the pocket -- rollouts and bootlegs were very common, as were spread concepts in later years, and wide receiver screens throughout his career. A quick release and mobility are paramount in that kind of offense. Conclusion So, we have three (somewhat weak) indicators of what the Buccaneers may want in a quarterback: 1. Mobility, in Lovie Smith's own words and Jeff Tedford's offensive history. 2. Arm strength, in Lovie Smith's quarterback history. 3. Quick release, in Jeff Tedford's history. Which quarterbacks in the draft fit that mold? Derek Carr has all three characteristics, and presents them at a pretty high level. While he has other concerns, most notably his pocket presence, he displays the physical characteristics the Bucs may be looking for. He has a cannon for an arm -- one of the strongest arm in the draft, in fact. He has a very quick release, and he has mobility in excess. In fact, physically he somewhat resembles Aaron Rodgers. And he's also very familiar with Jeff Tedford, who is a friend of the family and has helped Carr over the past year. Teddy Bridgewater has the quick release (though that could be improved) and the mobility to fit these characteristics, but his arm strength is just okay. It's not horrible, though he struggles on throws beyond 15 yards, but it's certainly far removed from the ideal. He could perhaps make up for that with his understanding of offense. Johnny Manziel has mobility in abundance and a quick release, though his mechanics are uneven, but he too lacks the arm strength the Bucs may be looking for. His arm is stronger than Bridgewater's, though, and it's certainly not bad -- but it's not a real strength, either. Blake Bortles has both the mobility and solid arm strength, and a decently quick release. None of these characteristics is particularly great for Bortles, whose main draws should be his pocket presence and his size, but he doesn't have a tremendous issue in any of those three areas. Logan Thomas has the strongest arm in the draft, oodles of mobility, and at times a quick release -- though that's inconsistent, and his overall play is hardly inspiring. Still, he certainly has the physical tools the Bucs like. Jimmy Garoppolo has a very quick release, has decent arm strength that may be better than what he shows on film given his offense, and he certainly has the mobility to move the pocket. To me, his lack of pocket presence is a fatal flaw, but perhaps the Bucs see it differently. A.J. McCarron displays none of these characteristics. You can probably scratch him off your lists. Aaron Murray doesn't have the arm strength, but flashes mobility and a quick release at times. Neither are particular strengths of his, though.http://www.bucsnation.com/2014/4/29/5664148/deciphering-the-buccaneers-quarterback-preferences

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      lately, im hoping for murray or mettenberger late.  but it wouldnt be hard to get on board with the potential of a first rounder.i gotta think lovie has had an idea for a long time.  an idea about coming to the Bucs, an idea about teaming with tedford, an idea about mccown, and an idea about the future QB.  he and licht have said that QBs can be found anywhere in the draft numerous times.  i think they like a later round guy to fit the plan.  now what might have gone awry is that their later round guy has jumped up on the boards, forcing them to reconsider all QB options.

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      What kind?!Easy!A WINNER!

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      Please, define “A WINNER”.I don't know the meaning.Some guys called Tebow a winner also. Where is he now?

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      So, we have three (somewhat weak) indicators of what the Buccaneers may want in a quarterback: 1. Mobility, in Lovie Smith's own words and Jeff Tedford's offensive history. 2. Arm strength, in Lovie Smith's quarterback history. 3. Quick release, in Jeff Tedford's history.um... I'm pretty sure that is what every nfl team wants in a quarterback.  "mobile qb with a strong arm and a quick release??... oh no, we are looking for something different."  what? a pocket passer with a weak arm and a slow release?

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      A baller! 

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      Who the hell knows?Old guys.  Mid rounders.

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      Read yesterdays PC. They say they want athletes at all positions. Thats why they signed McCown and its why Glennon wont be on the roster.

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      I’m going to love to be on this board when and/if the Bucs select Derek Carr in the 1st round.

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      Another wasted article.  “Errrrr,uhhhhhh, ummmm What Kind of QB do the Buccaneers Want?”  Not looking at QB.  And yes we would all suffer for many years but for meltdown purposes, the drafting of Derek Carr would be epic.  That guy is complete and utter garbage.  “Look fans, at the top of the shitbox pile of QBs………….none of them were available when we selected…………so I present to you……………….Derek Carr………..” crickets……….That would officially be the dumbest move we have ever made as a franchise and their is a small sick part of me that wants it to happen.

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      Another wasted article.  "Errrrr,uhhhhhh, ummmm What Kind of QB do the Buccaneers Want?"  Not looking at QB.  And yes we would all suffer for many years but for meltdown purposes, the drafting of Derek Carr would be epic.  That guy is complete and utter garbage.  "Look fans, at the top of the **CENSORED**box pile of QBs.............none of them were available when we selected............so I present to you...................Derek Carr..........." crickets..........That would officially be the dumbest move we have ever made as a franchise and their is a small sick part of me that wants it to happen.

      And why is that? What NFL front office do you work for?

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      Another wasted article.  "Errrrr,uhhhhhh, ummmm What Kind of QB do the Buccaneers Want?"  Not looking at QB.  And yes we would all suffer for many years but for meltdown purposes, the drafting of Derek Carr would be epic.  That guy is complete and utter garbage.  "Look fans, at the top of the **CENSORED**box pile of QBs.............none of them were available when we selected............so I present to you...................Derek Carr..........." crickets..........That would officially be the dumbest move we have ever made as a franchise and their is a small sick part of me that wants it to happen.

      And why is that? What NFL front office do you work for?

      I dont need to work for any front office to see the most glaring needs of this football team.  I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success aren't looking at QB in this draft.

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      Another wasted article.  "Errrrr,uhhhhhh, ummmm What Kind of QB do the Buccaneers Want?"  Not looking at QB.  And yes we would all suffer for many years but for meltdown purposes, the drafting of Derek Carr would be epic.  That guy is complete and utter garbage.  "Look fans, at the top of the **CENSORED**box pile of QBs.............none of them were available when we selected............so I present to you...................Derek Carr..........." crickets..........That would officially be the dumbest move we have ever made as a franchise and their is a small sick part of me that wants it to happen.

      And why is that? What NFL front office do you work for?

      I dont need to work for any front office to see the most glaring needs of this football team.  I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success aren't looking at QB in this draft.

      Ok then I'm convinced then.

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      Read yesterdays PC. They say they want athletes at all positions. Thats why they signed McCown and its why Glennon wont be on the roster.

      If Glennon isn't on the roster then who will the Bucs back-up QB? Personally I think the Bucs will target one QB in the first 3 rounds. Who that will be will be seen in the 10 days or so.

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      Manziel has more than enough arm strength to make every NFL throw.

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      Manziel has more than enough arm strength to make every NFL throw.

      JMO but I think Manziel is going to get killed in the NFL. You can get away with that frenetic QB play in college. In the NFL, Johnny is going to take a pounding if he plays the same way.

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      Manziel has more than enough arm strength to make every NFL throw.

      As a Brown, Jaguar or Raider.

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      Which team doesn’t want a mobile QB with a strong arm and a quick release ?

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      Manziel has more than enough arm strength to make every NFL throw.

      JMO but I think Manziel is going to get killed in the NFL. You can get away with that frenetic QB play in college. In the NFL, Johnny is going to take a pounding if he plays the same way.

      Russell Wilson says otherwise.

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      Read yesterdays PC. They say they want athletes at all positions. Thats why they signed McCown and its why Glennon wont be on the roster.

      If Glennon isn't on the roster then who will the Bucs back-up QB? Personally I think the Bucs will target one QB in the first 3 rounds. Who that will be will be seen in the 10 days or so.

      Someone not named Mike Glennon.

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      Manziel has more than enough arm strength to make every NFL throw.

      JMO but I think Manziel is going to get killed in the NFL. You can get away with that frenetic QB play in college. In the NFL, Johnny is going to take a pounding if he plays the same way.

      Russell Wilson says otherwise.

      Manziel is more RG3 than Russell Wilson IMO.

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      Read yesterdays PC. They say they want athletes at all positions. Thats why they signed McCown and its why Glennon wont be on the roster.

      If Glennon isn't on the roster then who will the Bucs back-up QB? Personally I think the Bucs will target one QB in the first 3 rounds. Who that will be will be seen in the 10 days or so.

      Someone not named Mike Glennon.

      That's where i think your wrong. If the Bucs draft a QB early in this draft then Glennon and that QB will duke it out as the starter in 2015.

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      Please, define "A WINNER".I don't know the meaning.Some guys called Tebow a winner also. Where is he now?

      since you are a kraut I’ll cut you a break and explain what winner and baller means in a way you can easily understand:David Hasselhoff

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      What kind of QB do we want? That’s easy.. a FRANCHISE QB! :-)

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      What kind of QB do we want? That's easy.. a FRANCHISE QB! :-)

      So, you're thinking that's easy?

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      Based on all the reading Ive done here…dont we need a cute one?

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      Based on all the reading Ive done here...dont we need a cute one?

      No , because Jdud is not in charge.

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      "...  I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success aren't looking at QB in this draft..."

      I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success ARE looking at QB in this draft.Takes all kinds.

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      "...  I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success aren't looking at QB in this draft..."

      I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success ARE looking at QB in this draft.Takes all kinds.

      Looking and finding are two different things.

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      "...  I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success aren't looking at QB in this draft..."

      I am confident that a coach and GM interested in building long term success ARE looking at QB in this draft.Takes all kinds.

      Not with two on the roster. Not with all the talent elsewhere to be had.  Not with the marginal, inflated QB talent in this draft.  All analyst are saying meh to this draft QB wise but love it from just about every other position.

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      What kind of QB do we want? That's easy.. a FRANCHISE QB! :-)

      So, you're thinking that's easy?

      Easy to find a franchise QB? No, not at all. But the title line asked what kind off QB they WANT. I'm pretty confident they want a franchise QB.

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      So, we have three (somewhat weak) indicators of what the Buccaneers may want in a quarterback: 1. Mobility, in Lovie Smith's own words and Jeff Tedford's offensive history. 2. Arm strength, in Lovie Smith's quarterback history. 3. Quick release, in Jeff Tedford's history.um... I'm pretty sure that is what every nfl team wants in a quarterback.  "mobile qb with a strong arm and a quick release??... oh no, we are looking for something different."  what? a pocket passer with a weak arm and a slow release?

      The Broncos and Peyton Manning disagree.

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      Bridgewater, Carr, Garoppolo all fit the bill…

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    • Anonymous

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      Bridgewater, Carr, Garoppolo all fit the bill...

      I really don't like any of those QB's.  Possibly Garoppolo in the late rounds.

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      I just watched the gruden qb camp with Derek Carr.  He seems very bright, loves football and can make all throws. I like him but I also like Bridgewater and Manziel. Maybe my want for the bucs to get a stud qb is clouding my views…..just once please

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      I’ve been a Carr detractor all off-season but he does sound like the best fit.Best late round developmental pick - Garrett Gilbert.

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