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    • KarmaPolice

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      Trump is splitting the GOP and hes also splitting one of the most conservative religious groups in the country . . with WOMEN leading the charge away from the Don

      https://apnews.com/article/beth-moore-baptist-southern-baptist-convention-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-sexual-abuse-3e665b36cb35f471598f3491ab10701a

      the article discusses many issues, but the first show to drop was when ” popular Bible teacher Beth Moore said she no longer considered herself Southern Baptist. Moore, perhaps the best-known evangelical woman in the world, had drawn the ire of some SBC conservatives for speaking out against Donald Trump in 2016 and suggesting the denomination had problems with sexism.”

      The church fired back at her and that led to a lot of this:

      ““Beth has been scorned, mocked, and slandered while doing exactly what the denomination has determined she could and should do: be a woman teaching other women,” Prior said via email.

      “I cannot count the number of women who have reached out to me over the past few years, lamenting and grieving the way women have been and are being treated in some SBC churches and by some denominational leaders,” Prior added. “If these women leave, it won’t be because Beth left. It will be because the men the Baptist Faith and Message says are supposed to lead in Christ-like ways have failed to do so.

      Prior was referring to the doctrine adopted by the SBC in 2000 which espouses male leadership in the home and the church and says a wife “is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband.” It specifies that women cannot be pastors, citing the Apostle Paul’s biblical admonition, “I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to remain quiet.”

      and this

      “Melissa Edgington, who is married to an SBC pastor in Olney, Texas, and describes herself as a stay-at-home mom of three children, says she’s had lifelong devotion to her denomination. She also has been an admirer of Moore.

      “I have lost count of the number of times I have seen evangelical men on social media repeating that awful command ‘Go home’ to Beth Moore,” she said via email. “I wonder if they realize when they say those two words with such glee, they are sending a message to all women that our giftings and opinions and ideas may not be all that welcome in our denomination.”

      and this

      “In some cases, entire congregations have walked away. Joel Bowman, pastor at Temple of Faith Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky, recently abandoned plans to move the congregation into the SBC fold. Bowman, who is African American, had differences with SBC leaders on racism issues and also gender roles — his wife, Nannette, is an associate minster at the church.

      Towne View Baptist Church in Kennesaw, Georgia, is being expelled by the SBC for accepting LGBTQ people into its congregation. Its pastor, Jim Conrad, also opposes the SBC’s gender rules and is likely to affiliate with a Baptist denomination that allows female pastors.

      “Tradition is fine,” said Cheryl McCree, a deacon at Towne View. “But when it comes to faith, we follow Christ. … We have to reach out to everybody.”

      THESE ARE VERY TOUGH TIMES FOR MANY TRADITIONAL AMERICAN CHURCHES (NOT JUST SOUTHERN BAPTISTS, who do so many good things in the world) BECAUSE their structure is more antiquated and there for even LESS inclusive than society.

      Trump is sort of a symbol of the struggle, an old white guy who is an open misogynist. Beth Moore confronted SB Trump supporters head on. They were mostly white men

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    • DCGoth

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      “If these women leave, it won’t be because Beth left. It will be because the men the Baptist Faith and Message says are supposed to lead in Christ-like ways have failed to do so.”

      True that. Xians in general glock to Trump, and you would imagine that the Southern Baptists would be leading the pack.

      These people are so hyper-religious that they have poles up their asses to size of redwoods. Some of those peeps make OT look like a Pagan. If “the base” loses those folks, they’re definitely fucked.

      I’d rather have a beer bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.


       

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