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    • michael89156

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      Is it Dirk Koetter or Jameis Winston? Aug 5, 2015 or1_zpsmv0pia31.png  Kim Klement-USA TODAY SportsNOTE:  This is a hypothetical exercise.The potential of a franchise quarterback is what can lift any organization. The imperative word is potential.Now, let us peer into the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' present situation. Last season, Tampa was ranked 25th in passing, 29th in rushing, and 29th in points per game average. The offensive coordinator, OC, was first year NFL quarterbacks coach in Marcus Arroyo due to heart ailments to OC Jeff Tedford.  Of the 16 games, nine games were one possession losses, which is 8 points or less. For those nine game lost, the average per loss was 4.3 points per game. There were six blown fourth quarter leads last year as well. The offense is lacking.The Bucs were able to nab OC Dirk Koetter from divisional rival Atlanta Falcons. Here is a simplified offensive chart comparing the two offenses:or4_zpslqxtth9h.pngAtlanta had their offensive line hit with injury en masse.  Promising Pass Protection. OC Koetter has proven to know how to continue to have a successful pass protection despite a lack of talent.Notice Altanta's offense was almost scoring a touchdown more than the Bucs' offense. If the Bucs were simply to score half the scoring differential of 3.25 points per game, then the Bucs would have won 6 more games (the Bucs had the lead for both OTL games). The total games won, for this particular exercise, would have been eight games.  That would pave way for the Bucs to represent the NFC South in the playoffs.Next, we can focus on Glennon as the starting quarterback. In the five games that Glennon had started for the Bucs, he led the offense to a lead in the fourth quarter four times. Of those four opportunities to win in the fourth quarter, Glennon lead the team to one win and two overtime losses. A single point in regulation time would have netted two additional wins. The fact that Glennon had lead the team to four fourth quarter leads would imply the offense just needs a little more productivity to change the outlook for the team in the win-loss columns.The premise of the addition of OC Koetter to QB Glennon in that five game set is that the Bucs would have conservatively won three out of the five games. Extrapolate that to a 16 game set, then the Bucs would have 9.6 total wins.First overall draft pick in the 2015 NFL draft Jameis Winston was selected out of Florida State University, FSU. As its starting quarterback for the past two years, Winston has lost only one game, a playoff game in his second year starting. In his second season, Winston did not have a great offensive line to help produce a viable running game, yet still helped keep his team undefeated in the regular season as well as win the Atlantic Coast Conference, ACC, championship game.Winston is very charismatic, very accurate, and possesses great recall for an incoming quarterback. Being selected first overall would indicate Winston should be the top talent, but many still scout Winston to be a notch below Andrew Luck. With all the accolades and known talent, if Winston were to be hampered with Arroyo as his OC, then would Winston still produce? Would Arroyo know how to direct the offensive line to execute well enough for Winston to survive? Recall, this is the same OC who called a run play on a 3rd and 7 yards to go on the opposing team's 9 yard line with giants at receiving with 6'5" Vincent Jackson, 6'5" Mike Evans, and 6'5" Austin Serafin-Jenkins. This was the St. Louis game in the third quarter, if one wants to recall it specifically. Winston would be hampered by underpowered offensive prowess of OC Arroyo.This article is a hypothetical. Who would make a bigger impact for the Bucs: OC Koetter (and QB Glennon) or QB Winston (and OC Arroyo)?Winston has the potential to be a franchise QB. The Bucs once had QB Steve Young on its roster, but he never developed in Tampa. Young did become a Hall of Fame quarterback under San Francisco's coach, Bill Walsh.  Young becoming an eventual HOF quarterback implies that Bucs were abysmal offensively.Koetter is an established NFL OC. Koetter is coming from a division rival, meaning he knows the tendencies of at least Carolina and New Orleans' defenses. Koetter also has been proven to work an offense around its current personnel.It is quite obvious that I would choose OC Koetter over QB Winston. If this is your first time reading me, then I will inform you that I am an FSU Seminole fan with high praise for Winston. Read this article that I wrote about Winston before the Rose Bowl loss to Oregon and when the craze was all about QB Marcus Mariota:  Building a Case for Jameis Winston. Fortunately, the Bucs have both OC Koetter and QB Winston. An NFL offensive wizard with a quarterback whose college team runs similar schemes as the OC is kismet.Tell me who you would choose if you had to pick one?or5_zpsx9dwuvea.pnglink

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    • billym

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      Tough call.  I think Winston could do some things even with Arroyo. But I cant see Glennon doing much even with Koetter.

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    • Anonymous

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      I think  the question is silly! Arroyo wouldn’t have had more  success with Winston, because his play calling was poor and Winston would have been killed behind that o line. Even Glennon could have more success under Koetter with a better o line, but we never will  know. It’s not possible to compare Glennon and Winston IMO. Total different players. I like Glennon and would have loved to see him play with a better oline and better play calling. But every talk about competition was a big show. The bucs picked Winston #1 and all the reports from day one were focussed on him.A better playing of the offense won't be a success from a pair of OC and QB only, it will be the result of the whole team. I'm excited and can't wait to see the first game, then we will have an idea of what to expect for the season. And think it will be a good season.

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    • Anonymous

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      That’s an interesting question. I went with Koetter and Glennon, at least in year one. I think Arroyo was a worse OC than Glennon is a QB.

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    • Anonymous

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      Interesting scenario for sure. I think Winston will have a very successful season despite being a rookie QB, but I also think part of that is because he has everything around him needed to succeed. According to those well connected with the organization, Koetter was the best acquisition of the offseason. Glennon may have his flaws but he is a seasoned player with a skill set similar to Matt Ryan’s.On the other hand, you would have a rookie coming into a situation where there was instability at OC. So we are talking about change at the OC coaching position shortly before the regular season in combination with a rookie QB. Has that EVER worked out? What a way to ruin your 1st overall draft pick. 

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    • Anonymous

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      a rookie playcaller and a rookie QB….I couldn’t think of a worse situation. And the other option is pretty bad too.

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    • Anonymous

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      a rookie playcaller and a rookie QB..

      Its even more than that... Arroyo was a rookie QBs coach who has been promoted from within. He'd never even worked at the professional level before, in any capacity. And to add insult to injury, the guy was thrown to the wolves middle of preseason.

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    • Anonymous

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      I’ll take the better QB every time, without question.

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    • Anonymous

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      I'll take the better QB every time, without question.

      Well yeah, over time you have a lot of control over one and very little over the other.  The good OC might well up and be gone the next season.  Just one season?  We win more games with Dirk/Mike.

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    • Anonymous

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      i think id take a glennon put in a position to succeed over a winston in a position to fail.

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    • Anonymous

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      I’d take Glennon with Koetter.

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