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      Trade Suitors?By Nathan Gio Aug 8, 2015    PhilipRivers_zpstezdsdyv.jpg  With Training Camp recently kicking off NFL fans have their minds set on one thing, football. Right now analysts and fans alike are predicting camp battles, and eagerly waiting for the new season to officially be here. Buccaneer fans are especially giddy coming off the dismal 2014 campaign that everyone wants to forget about. Nobody is going to forget anytime soon, but fans can only hope 2015 has more in store. With the main roster overhaul complete for most teams, small moves will be made in the upcoming months until the week six trade deadline. The Buccaneers have a few positions that can be called "over-saturated" as of right now, so these small trades could make a big impact on the team. These are just hypothetical scenarios, and there should be some exciting debates in the comments below, with that aside lets begin.The 2014 season featured four different starting running backs, from Doug Martin to Bobby Rainey the backfield looked rather mediocre. Heading into 2015 Tampa Bay did not do anything to help the situation by drafting fullback/running back hybrid Joey Iosefa, further crowding the backfield. None of Tampa Bay's running backs deserve the starting job. Although each back had sub-par 2014 campaigns each one is an useful player that could be traded, the question is which back goes? From a pure trade value viewpoint, it is easy to choose Mike James. James is young, has shown his potential, but Martin has not done enough for the Bucs to let him walk. Mike James is definitely the Bucs second most talented back, and could land a better player than Rainey. If the Bucs could work it out trade Mike James for Jared Odrick from Jacksonville. The Jags need a solid back and have some depth on the d-line that they could afford to lose, on the flip side Tampa addresses the major need for a solid defensive end as Odrick does enough to help in the rotation.With defensive depth lacking Tampa Bay will need to look at the defense as a whole and address the biggest holes. The pass defense was atrocious, near dead last in the league. The off-season did not do the secondary justice either, picking up Chris Conte is not going to save the Bucs. The rush defense is near middle of the league, so linebackers are okay right now. Looking again at the roster Tampa Bay has four solid tight ends and about three decent receivers behind Evans and Vjax. That is a lot of depth that most likely will not see the field, why not trim some fat, and add some meat? SO who goes? Again from a trading value standpoint Timmy Wright and Louis Murphy seem to fit in Kansas City pretty darn good. Andy Reid has a history of using receiving tight ends, and besides Kelce Kansas City has no one, and for Louis Murphy he'd be a great slot addition to the barren wide-out core over in Kansas City. That is some serious talent the offense would be losing, but adding Tyvon Branch would be nice. Branch receives a lot of hate for his style of play, but there is no denying that Tyvon Branch is better than Chris Conte. Branch could thrive in Lovie's system. He for sure would be an instant play maker.Mike Glennon, honestly this post could not pass over Mike Glennon could it? Glennon has been a hot topic this off-season, as he is definitely a quality Quarterback who has been dealt an impossible hand. Really what could Glennon have done? From the Freeman Schiano debacle to last years odd Quarterback rotation, Glennon has never been given a fair shot in the NFL. Luckily for him his bags will be packed soon as he will head out to San Diego to sit behind Rivers for a few years as the Chargers groom him to either take Rivers spot as QB, or he will become trade bait for San Diego. In return for Glennon Tampa Bay could snatch a mid round pick for next year. If Glennon did go Tampa could then pick up Ryan Lindley for a solid backup.trade_zpstwcthtld.pnglink

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    • Anonymous

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      Most teams would pay a third or lower to start the season with an ok backup, so idk if there is reason enough to sell glennon off. At least not this close to the season.

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    • Anonymous

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      Hopefully Glennon plays well in the preseason, ups his value, and scores us our 3rd rounder back. I think the team is high on Seth Lobato.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      why?

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      why?

      Because JC stands for Jester of the Court.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      why?

      Because JC stands for Jester of the Court.

      Jackson is worth more to the Bucs than the middle round pick a team is willing to give up for him. On a good day they might get a 3 for him. It's the age thing.

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    • Anonymous

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      Let’s trade a reliable veteran wr when you have a rookie qb so that we can get a 3rd round pick who most likely wont even be on the roster in 3 years.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      why?

      Because JC stands for Jester of the Court.

      Jackson is worth more to the Bucs than the middle round pick a team is willing to give up for him. On a good day they might get a 3 for him. It's the age thing.

      agreed...i could see if it was a cap issue, but it's not!!

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    • billym

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      None of them are probable, trades are rare. Now baseball, that is a different story. I cant keep up with all the trades.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      why?

      Why ask why of this guy? 

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    • Anonymous

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      We have to draft our way out of this, not spend.2-14 team has no business having a 32 year old $12.2M #2 WR

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      why?

      Why ask why of this guy?

      Duh!!!He makes big $$$$$$ to make big, important football decisions. For some odd reason, he won't tell us his draft history or the franchise they run. I don't understand why...

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    • Anonymous

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      No one is trading for a 32 year old $12.2M WR.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      what’s that even  mean?  He’s been herehere what,  2 years?  When did you want to first trade him?

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      what's that even  mean?  He's been herehere what,  2 years?  When did you want to first trade him?

      3 years, and has 2 to go.The big decision will be to resign him after 2016?  He is 32 now.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      what's that even  mean?  He's been herehere what,  2 years?  When did you want to first trade him?

      2013 deadline. Then 2014 offseason. Then 2014 deadline.I know it's baseball, but find the Sports Illustated article from 2013 or 2014 about the Astros and how they rebuilt their team. They admitted to themselves they sucked and made all their moves in the best interest of future. Complete opposite of what Bucs have been doing and results speak for themselves. Bucs keep making short sighted moves that backfire.

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    • Anonymous

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      Thought we should have traded Jackson awhile ago.

      No thanks. We could use an established 6’5 pro bowl talent receiver on the outside for our rookie QB. MAYBE, if Jameis was some established QB with years of experience under his belt then it would make sense.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you’re willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Vince mentoring Jameis, could possibly be a long term gain, even after Vince is gone.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Vince mentoring Jameis, could possibly be a long term gain, even after Vince is gone.

      Exactly. Making sure Jameis pans out will be the longer term gain than just getting a draft pick in 2016.

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    • Anonymous

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      I know it's baseball, but find the Sports Illustated article from 2013 or 2014 about the Astros and how they rebuilt their team. They admitted to themselves they sucked and made all their moves in the best interest of future. Complete opposite of what Bucs have been doing and results speak for themselves. Bucs keep making short sighted moves that backfire.

      the Astros hired their GM in late 2011.  what have they won so far?i disagree about shortighted moves, ill give you the backfire.  the Bucs GM immediately invested in OL/DL.  seeing how the NFL is an offensive league, the Bucs have used the draft for offense.  when the initial moves didnt pan out, they corrected them and drafted QB/OL.  these are longterm investments.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Cap room's not a long term asset.  Jackson's contract has had absolutely zero negative impact from a cap space standpoint.  And any gained draft pick is entirely hypothetical.  Now, sacrificed drafts picks (ie, for guys like Mankins) are an entirely different story.

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    • Anonymous

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      I think as soon as a capable vet QB backup, at the right price, becomes available, Glennon is going to be traded to the Cards or Chiefs….Just a hunch...

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Cap room's not a long term asset.  Jackson's contract has had absolutely zero negative impact from a cap space standpoint.  And any gained draft pick is entirely hypothetical.  Now, sacrificed drafts picks (ie, for guys like Mankins) are an entirely different story.

      This is not true.  It can be rolled season to season with very little restriction.  Just that the team meets the minimum salary floor over time.However, the reality is no franchise is going to accumulate great sums of roll over cap space and then spend well over the cap for a period of time as JC envisions.

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    • Anonymous

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      I know it's baseball, but find the Sports Illustated article from 2013 or 2014 about the Astros and how they rebuilt their team. They admitted to themselves they sucked and made all their moves in the best interest of future. Complete opposite of what Bucs have been doing and results speak for themselves. Bucs keep making short sighted moves that backfire.

      the Astros hired their GM in late 2011.  what have they won so far?i disagree about shortighted moves, ill give you the backfire.  the Bucs GM immediately invested in OL/DL.  seeing how the NFL is an offensive league, the Bucs have used the draft for offense.  when the initial moves didnt pan out, they corrected them and drafted QB/OL.  these are longterm investments.

      You don't think Revis, Mankins and premium picks on RBs were short sighted? That's a 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4 If the Bucs did some bounty gate like scandal and those picks were the penalty everyone would be screaming how the franchise is ruined. But when those moves turn into 4-12 and 2-14 it doesn't the have perception even though it is the same realty: a ruined franchise.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Cap room's not a long term asset.  Jackson's contract has had absolutely zero negative impact from a cap space standpoint.  And any gained draft pick is entirely hypothetical.  Now, sacrificed drafts picks (ie, for guys like Mankins) are an entirely different story.

      This is not true.  It can be rolled season to season with very little restriction.  Just that the team meets the minimum salary floor over time.However, the reality is no franchise is going to accumulate great sums of roll over cap space and then spend well over the cap for a period of time as JC envisions.

      My Revis plan was to turn our 2014 and 2015 cap space into premium picks for only $30M. The Bucs preceded to spend $60M of 2014 and 2015 cap room on pure crap.

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    • Anonymous

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      You don't think Revis, Mankins and premium picks on RBs were short sighted? That's a 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4 If the Bucs did some bounty gate like scandal and those picks were the penalty everyone would be screaming how the franchise is ruined. But when those moves turn into 4-12 and 2-14 it doesn't the have perception even though it is the same realty: a ruined franchise.

      I fail to see what any of that has to do with Vjax

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    • Anonymous

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      You don't think Revis, Mankins and premium picks on RBs were short sighted? That's a 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4 If the Bucs did some bounty gate like scandal and those picks were the penalty everyone would be screaming how the franchise is ruined. But when those moves turn into 4-12 and 2-14 it doesn't the have perception even though it is the same realty: a ruined franchise.

      i dont think you can put the last regimes decisions on this one.  we got mankins for a 4th.  i think its a great deal.  he’ll be well worth it the next 2 years.  i dont love a RB in the 3rd, but its not a RB in the 1st or 2nd either.  depending on how we use him will dictate the success of the pick.  he wasnt drafted to be 300carry guy, so i dont look at him as shortsighted.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Cap room's not a long term asset.  Jackson's contract has had absolutely zero negative impact from a cap space standpoint.  And any gained draft pick is entirely hypothetical.  Now, sacrificed drafts picks (ie, for guys like Mankins) are an entirely different story.

      This is not true.  It can be rolled season to season with very little restriction.  Just that the team meets the minimum salary floor over time.However, the reality is no franchise is going to accumulate great sums of roll over cap space and then spend well over the cap for a period of time as JC envisions.

      My Revis plan was to turn our 2014 and 2015 cap space into premium picks for only $30M. The Bucs preceded to spend $60M of 2014 and 2015 cap room on pure crap.

      Your plan with Revis was ludicrously unrealistic and would never have actually happened.  Even though yes, it had a certain internal logic, those sorts of trades just. aren't. done. in this league.

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    • Anonymous

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      You don't think Revis, Mankins and premium picks on RBs were short sighted? That's a 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4 If the Bucs did some bounty gate like scandal and those picks were the penalty everyone would be screaming how the franchise is ruined. But when those moves turn into 4-12 and 2-14 it doesn't the have perception even though it is the same realty: a ruined franchise.

      i dont think you can put the last regimes decisions on this one.  we got mankins for a 4th.  i think its a great deal.  he'll be well worth it the next 2 years.  i dont love a RB in the 3rd, but its not a RB in the 1st or 2nd either.  depending on how we use him will dictate the success of the pick.  he wasnt drafted to be 300carry guy, so i dont look at him as shortsighted.

      If you think the Mankins trade was a "great deal" then I can't help you.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Cap room's not a long term asset.  Jackson's contract has had absolutely zero negative impact from a cap space standpoint.  And any gained draft pick is entirely hypothetical.  Now, sacrificed drafts picks (ie, for guys like Mankins) are an entirely different story.

      This is not true.  It can be rolled season to season with very little restriction.  Just that the team meets the minimum salary floor over time.However, the reality is no franchise is going to accumulate great sums of roll over cap space and then spend well over the cap for a period of time as JC envisions.

      My Revis plan was to turn our 2014 and 2015 cap space into premium picks for only $30M. The Bucs preceded to spend $60M of 2014 and 2015 cap room on pure crap.

      Your plan with Revis was ludicrously unrealistic and would never have actually happened.  Even though yes, it had a certain internal logic, those sorts of trades just. aren't. done. in this league.

      Just aren't done... You mean like a franchise trading a 1st and 3/4 and then cutting him the next year for no appearant reason. That contract and player and this situation required on out of the box move. The Bucs just cut him and signed a bunch of expensive career backups.

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    • Anonymous

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      So you're willing to sacrifice long term assets (cap room, draft pick) for some sort of short term gain that may not even exist.

      Cap room's not a long term asset.  Jackson's contract has had absolutely zero negative impact from a cap space standpoint.  And any gained draft pick is entirely hypothetical.  Now, sacrificed drafts picks (ie, for guys like Mankins) are an entirely different story.

      This is not true.  It can be rolled season to season with very little restriction.  Just that the team meets the minimum salary floor over time.However, the reality is no franchise is going to accumulate great sums of roll over cap space and then spend well over the cap for a period of time as JC envisions.

      My Revis plan was to turn our 2014 and 2015 cap space into premium picks for only $30M. The Bucs preceded to spend $60M of 2014 and 2015 cap room on pure crap.

      Your plan with Revis was ludicrously unrealistic and would never have actually happened.  Even though yes, it had a certain internal logic, those sorts of trades just. aren't. done. in this league.

      Just aren't done... You mean like a franchise trading a 1st and 3/4 and then cutting him the next year for no appearant reason. That contract and player and this situation required on out of the box move. The Bucs just cut him and signed a bunch of expensive career backups.

      I'm certainly not suggesting the Revis trade was anything other than terrible.  But we were able to screw that up all on our lonesome.  Your hypothetical trade would requires others sign on for a wholly unprecedented sort of trade.  I'm sorry, but I consider it wildly less likely to be in any way practical than you do.

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      If you think the Mankins trade was a "great deal" then I can't help you.

      sure, if you think a winning lockerroom, or a professional attitude just happens magically.

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      If you think the Mankins trade was a "great deal" then I can't help you.

      sure, if you think a winning lockerroom, or a professional attitude just happens magically.

      He wouldn't take a pay cut to stay in Patriots locker room. And there was nothing professional about his film last year. Same with the stiffs that were on his left and right that we brought in.

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      If you think the Mankins trade was a "great deal" then I can't help you.

      sure, if you think a winning lockerroom, or a professional attitude just happens magically.

      I'd rather spend a 4th on a 21 year old lineman to develop. This team ain't playoff ready by a mile.

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      I’d rather spend a 4th on a 21 year old lineman to develop. This team ain’t playoff ready by a mile.

      weve spend 2 5ths and 2 2nds in the past 2 years.  doubt one more 4th rookie would make as positive a difference as mankins.

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      And there was nothing professional about his film last year.

      if you dont believe an OC has plenty to do with that then oh well.

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