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    • Machiavelli

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      So let’s say a lot of people get their wish today and the Glazers fire Lovie Smith after a 2-15 record. Do you have any confidence at all that the Glazers would hire the right person to be our next head coach? I have absolutely none. The Glazers have a terrible track record for hiring head coaches and GM's, and even dates back to 2002. Don't get me wrong, Jon Gruden worked out for us, but even that move came as a result of a few debacles along the way. Follow me here:2014 - Glazers hire Lovie Smith (HC) and Jason Licht (GM)2014 - Glazers fire Greg Schiano (HC) and Mark Dominick (GM)2012 - Glazers hire Greg Schiano (HC) to work with Mark Dominick (GM). 2012 - Chip Kelly accepts the HC job, but turns the Glazers down to remain at Oregon, just to leave for the HC job in Philadelphia one year later. 2012 - Glazers fire Raheem Morris (HC) but retain Mark Dominick (GM)2009 - Glazers hire Raheem Morris (HC), who had no coordinator or head coaching experience in the NFL, and Mark Dominick, who had never been a GM in the NFL.2009 - Glazers fire Jon Gruden (HC) and Bruce Allen (GM) two weeks after season ends and just one year after giving each new 4-year contracts. Gruden was Tampa Bay's all-time winningest football head coach and won three division titles and a Super Bowl with the Bucs.2004 - Glazers hire Bruce Allen as new GM to replace McKay.2003 - Bucs GM Rich McKay mysteriously leaves the Bucs in November to take a job with division rival Atlanta. Not crying that McKay left, but this was a very strange ending to his tenure in Tampa Bay.2002 - Glazers trade four premium draft picks and $8 mill to Oakland for Jon Gruden. The trade took place in late February, yet we still managed to win the division and a Super Bowl.2002 - Glazers attempt to hire Steve Mariucci, but he turns them down.2002 - Glazers remove Rich McKay from the coaching search because they are unhappy with his decision to hire defensive minded coach Marvin Lewis. 2002 - Glazers offer Bill Parcells the HC job. He allegedly accepted it, and then turned it down.2002 - Glazers fire Tony Dungy, who had restored pride in the Bucs franchise and won games, but couldn't get the Bucs to the Super Bowl.1996 - Glazers made Tony Dungy interview three different times before finally offering him the HC job.If this doesn't look like incompetence, I don't know what does.

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    • Anonymous

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      Evidently, it’s a lot like drafting franchise QBs…

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    • Anonymous

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      Because they would get lucky and find a coach to win a superbowl before lovie gets his team on the same page.That is why. Look those stats up.

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    • Anonymous

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      So let's say a lot of people get their wish today and the Glazers fire Lovie Smith after a 2-15 record. Do you have any confidence at all that the Glazers would hire the right person to be our next head coach? I have absolutely none. The Glazers have a terrible track record for hiring head coaches and GM's, and even dates back to 2002. Don't get me wrong, Jon Gruden worked out for us, but even that move came as a result of a few debacles along the way. Follow me here:2014 - Glazers hire Lovie Smith (HC) and Jason Licht (GM)2014 - Glazers fire Greg Schiano (HC) and Mark Dominick (GM)2012 - Glazers hire Greg Schiano (HC) to work with Mark Dominick (GM). 2012 - Chip Kelly accepts the HC job, but turns the Glazers down to remain at Oregon, just to leave for the HC job in Philadelphia one year later. 2012 - Glazers fire Raheem Morris (HC) but retain Mark Dominick (GM)2009 - Glazers hire Raheem Morris (HC), who had no coordinator or head coaching experience in the NFL, and Mark Dominick, who had never been a GM in the NFL.2009 - Glazers fire Jon Gruden (HC) and Bruce Allen (GM) two weeks after season ends and just one year after giving each new 4-year contracts. Gruden was Tampa Bay's all-time winningest football head coach and won three division titles and a Super Bowl with the Bucs.2004 - Glazers hire Bruce Allen as new GM to replace McKay.2003 - Bucs GM Rich McKay mysteriously leaves the Bucs in November to take a job with division rival Atlanta. Not crying that McKay left, but this was a very strange ending to his tenure in Tampa Bay.2002 - Glazers trade four premium draft picks and $8 mill to Oakland for Jon Gruden. The trade took place in late February, yet we still managed to win the division and a Super Bowl.2002 - Glazers attempt to hire Steve Mariucci, but he turns them down.2002 - Glazers remove Rich McKay from the coaching search because they are unhappy with his decision to hire defensive minded coach Marvin Lewis. 2002 - Glazers offer Bill Parcells the HC job. He allegedly accepted it, and then turned it down.2002 - Glazers fire Tony Dungy, who had restored pride in the Bucs franchise and won games, but couldn't get the Bucs to the Super Bowl.1996 - Glazers made Tony Dungy interview three different times before finally offering him the HC job.If this doesn't look like incompetence, I don't know what does.

      so if a coach says yes and then no that's on the owners.the bottom line dungy was a great hiregruden was a great hireraheem was a good hire for defensive coordinator but way not ready to run a franchiseschiano was an overreaction on a pretty BS recommendation ( but the man could see talent)the bottom line we swung for the fences and hit our three strikes these last few years. maybe the next one will be a home run maybe notbut there is no way to allow Lovie Smith to run this franchise as personnel, coach and  defensive coordinator. send him back to the basement or the dleague or wherever

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    • Anonymous

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      The question is why did all of these coaches turn down the job in Tampa? You don’t hear of other teams having so many reputable head coaches turning down jobs at the rate they do in Tampa.

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    • Anonymous

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      The question is why did all of these coaches turn down the job in Tampa? You don't hear of other teams having so many reputable head coaches turning down jobs at the rate they do in Tampa.

      the only mystery is parcellschip wanted what lovie has and what he got in philly final say somooch didn't really want to coach again especially not tryig to rebuild a superbowl winning teamas for others we may danced with and said no...look at what succeeded in tampa - young hungry and brilliant at coaching and managingwhile the front office does its jobdungy great coach loyal to a fault but great coachgruden great coach stubborn as hell and ... great coach and schemer of the last three coaches all of them have one of the traits that made dungy and gruden great but none of these guys is the total package

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    • Anonymous

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      We were doomed when the Glazer boys picked the HC before the GM.

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    • Anonymous

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      We were doomed when the Glazer boys picked the HC before the GM.

      +1

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    • Anonymous

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      Sadly, and really pitifully, that’s the BEST answer I’ve seen to not fire St. Lovie. Think about that. Just think how rotten a situation that is.

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    • Anonymous

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      Glazers get retread HC&GM because good ones do not want to work for them. Tampa Bay fans are screwed by the worst owners in the NFL. They laugh all the way to the bank at us dummies. I still watch on TV but I gave up my season tickets two years ago which I had from day one.

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    • Anonymous

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      Sadly, and really pitifully, that's the BEST answer I've seen to not fire St. Lovie. Think about that. Just think how rotten a situation that is.

      +1

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    • Anonymous

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      Too bad they cant be forced to sell the team

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    • Anonymous

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      The Bucs weren’t wrong with Dungy and they weren’t wrong with Gruden.  The problem was that Dungy was too inept offensively.  He built a great defense, but was never able to get the offense up to speed because he always made sure his defense was taken care of.  Gruden was put behind the 8-ball where the team traded away how many 1st and 2nd round picks to get Gruden himself and Keyshawn Johnson, before Gruden was even there.  He was also given a small window with aging players and limited top round picks.  The Glazers swung for the fences at the time and hit a home run, but they had to pay the piper.After that, the Morris hire was stupid because the NFL was moving to a more offensive minded game and they tried to revive the Dungy era defense.  Here's the thing about elite defenses, they're almost impossible to maintain.  They decided also hired Dominik who was good at only 1 aspect of his job, contract structuring.  He sucked at personnel mover, and so did the people he surrounded himself with.  Drafting Freeman was a stupid decision too, but that's another argument for another day.The decision to hire a mediocre HC from a mediocre college in a below average conference was horrific.  He was awful and there's no 2 ways about it. Keeping Dominik around for as long as they did was just about as dumb as hiring Schiano.They topped that off with quite possibly the worst hire in NFL history with Lovie.  This is an offensive game.  You need to have a QB.  You need to be able to throw the ball.  Hiring defensive minded coaches is a stupid thing to do when you need to draft a new QB.  Look at recent history as proof.Freeman stunk.Sanchez stinks.Stafford never really reached his potential.Cam Newton hasn't reached his potential.Gabbert stunk.Ponder stunk.Dalton has never fully developed.Matt Ryan is an under achiever.The only 2 successes for QB's under a defensive HC are Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck.  Though, they both come with a caveat.  Wilson always had an elite defense, OLine, and RB.  Let's see what he does now that the line isn't quite as good... the defense isn't quite as good... and when Lynch leaves.  Luck had the luxury of Bruce Arians coaching him his rookie season and letting him air the ball out.

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    • Anonymous

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      The Bucs weren't wrong with Dungy and they weren't wrong with Gruden.  The problem was that Dungy was too inept offensively.  He built a great defense, but was never able to get the offense up to speed because he always made sure his defense was taken care of.  Gruden was put behind the 8-ball where the team traded away how many 1st and 2nd round picks to get Gruden himself and Keyshawn Johnson, before Gruden was even there.  He was also given a small window with aging players and limited top round picks.  The Glazers swung for the fences at the time and hit a home run, but they had to pay the piper.After that, the Morris hire was stupid because the NFL was moving to a more offensive minded game and they tried to revive the Dungy era defense.  Here's the thing about elite defenses, they're almost impossible to maintain.  They decided also hired Dominik who was good at only 1 aspect of his job, contract structuring.  He sucked at personnel mover, and so did the people he surrounded himself with.  Drafting Freeman was a stupid decision too, but that's another argument for another day.The decision to hire a mediocre HC from a mediocre college in a below average conference was horrific.  He was awful and there's no 2 ways about it. Keeping Dominik around for as long as they did was just about as dumb as hiring Schiano.They topped that off with quite possibly the worst hire in NFL history with Lovie.  This is an offensive game.  You need to have a QB.  You need to be able to throw the ball.  Hiring defensive minded coaches is a stupid thing to do when you need to draft a new QB.  Look at recent history as proof.Freeman stunk.Sanchez stinks.Stafford never really reached his potential.Cam Newton hasn't reached his potential.Gabbert stunk.Ponder stunk.Dalton has never fully developed.Matt Ryan is an under achiever.The only 2 successes for QB's under a defensive HC are Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck.  Though, they both come with a caveat.  Wilson always had an elite defense, OLine, and RB.  Let's see what he does now that the line isn't quite as good... the defense isn't quite as good... and when Lynch leaves.  Luck had the luxury of Bruce Arians coaching him his rookie season and letting him air the ball out.

      Good points.

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    • vlagatta

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      https://www.pewterreport.com/forum/index.php/topic,1326638.0.html

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    • Anonymous

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      For the record, Lovie does deserve to go.

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    • Anonymous

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      The Glazer Bros need to take a long hard look in the mirror and stay out of the head coach decision in the future. They struck out 3 times, now it’s time to give that decision to a GM or a vp of football ops. They can't seriously think they are good at picking coaches or know much about the game

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    • Anonymous

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      The Glazer Bros need to take a long hard look in the mirror and stay out of the head coach decision in the future. They struck out 3 times, now it's time to give that decision to a GM or a vp of football ops. They can't seriously think they are good at picking coaches or know much about the game

      Malcolm made more decisions than people would like to believe, imo.

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    • Anonymous

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      The Glazer Bros need to take a long hard look in the mirror and stay out of the head coach decision in the future. They struck out 3 times, now it's time to give that decision to a GM or a vp of football ops. They can't seriously think they are good at picking coaches or know much about the game

      Thing is, as the OP asked, it's the fail of the Glazers to make the important hires that matter most.First thing is hiring a qualified, proven to be successful GM, THAT is who should hire the HC! NOT the other way around.Maybe it is differnet these days and you have to hire a GM of the best HC's liking. But was St. Lovie Smith EVER of that caliber? No, not IMO.

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    • Anonymous

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      The Glazer Bros need to take a long hard look in the mirror and stay out of the head coach decision in the future. They struck out 3 times, now it's time to give that decision to a GM or a vp of football ops. They can't seriously think they are good at picking coaches or know much about the game

      Thing is, as the OP asked, it's the fail of the Glazers to make the important hires that matter most.First thing is hiring a qualified, proven to be successful GM, THAT is who should hire the HC! NOT the other way around.Maybe it is differnet these days and you have to hire a GM of the best HC's liking. But was St. Lovie Smith EVER of that caliber? No, not IMO.

      Garv - good points. The Glazers did the same thing when they traded four picks and $8 million for Gruden, all while the GM was on the sideline because he disobeyed their order to find an offensive minded HC. Still, if you're Ownership how could you go get Chucky and just assume the dynamic between he and McKay would work out? That obviously wasn't a safe assumption. The Glazers have a terrible track record for this. I'm surprised the media hasn't made more of this.

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