Wednesday, October 23, 2019

Will the DNC embrace or distance itself from "the squad"?

Will the DNC invite members of the squad to speak at the 2020 Democratic National Convention?

I recently heard a commentator state that they believe that whoever wins the Democratic nomination will have to invite members of the squad to speak during the Democratic National Convention to sure up the liberal base. I hear all the time that the squad doesn't represent most real democrats but I find it interesting that some people think that Trump's efforts to define democrats by their most extreme members may actually be working. What do you think? Will the DNC distance itself from it's most extreme members or embrace them?

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This topic contains 76 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by  Anonymous Oct. 2, 2019 at 11:32 am.

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    jbear
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    That’s what I’m getting at.  Are you going to steer clear of the Socialism boogey man or embrace him?  That’s why I’m asking about the convention.  I found the argument that whoever wins the Democratic nomination would have to offer members of the squad coveted speaking roles, very interesting.  I’m curious how left leaners feel about it.

    I appreciate you being adult enough to not call me a troll.  This is OBVIOUSLY not a troll.

     

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    #1211689

    VirgilCaine
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    Nice effort, Java

    Something told me you’d post 🙂

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    #1211709

    jbear
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    Socialism as the boogeyman is a powerful ally to the GOP tho… they will play that over and over for sure… could work

    It could. I mean people elected Trump, so all bets are off on the electorate

    Kidding aside, I don’t see the angle but there’s no doubt the GOP is 1000% behind Trump and the “socialist” thing is his big word

    Virgil missing the point on purpose once again.  The “Socialist” thing, as you call it, is a real thing and it’s a completely separate “thing” from Trump.  These are two completely different things.

    If Democrats want to beat Trump and all the Americans who aren’t on board with the idea of the Socialist gravy train they are making a huge mistake.

     

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    VirgilCaine
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    “Failing to miss the point”

    🙂

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    #1211772

    VirgilCaine
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    Last nights AOC/Socialism ad

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/gop-group-defends-ad-showing-burning-image-aoc-democratic-debate

    Run by a Trumpette

    Because as Java says, it’s a separate thing from Trump

    Lmao

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    #1211785

    Anonymous

    Jbear, I get the question and I think it is fair to ask what the strategy will be… but it is also a leading question on your part.

    Liberals as a whole believe in regulation; whether that is financial, environmental, civil, or whatever. We see a need for oversight… so the question becomes what is “socialism” and what is oversight?

    Am I on boarding with a single payer system? I am… overwhelmingly we need health care reform.

    Am I on board for free college? Hell no… I am on board with subsidizing student loan costs (further) to lower interest rates and other forms of subsidizing to limit tuition inflation. I’m open to cheap community college but you gotta have skin in the game.

    Am I on board for student loan forgiveness? The idea yes… depends on the execution. An entire generation is marred with this issue and with all the corporate welfare that goes out, I don’t see this as any different and I can justify/rationalize in the same way…

    I can go on but this is about beating Trump… so there is an element of pragmatism at play while also catering to the younger, more “idealistic” (what you would call socialism” vote.

    Also, you say you aren’t a Trumper but actions speak louder than words.

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    #1211878

    jbear
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    Last nights AOC/Socialism ad

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/gop-group-defends-ad-showing-burning-image-aoc-democratic-debate

    Run by a Trumpette

    Because as Java says, it’s a separate thing from Trump

    Lmao

    Deflect, deflect deflect.   Is there a reason you don’t want to say whether or not the DNC is going to invite the squad to speak at the convention?  This is beginning to remind me of Elizabeth Warren not wanting to denounce Antifa violence.  Why do you guys always do this?  Take a stand Verge.

    Asking a legitimate question is not a troll.

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    #1211889

    jbear
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    Jbear, I get the question and I think it is fair to ask what the strategy will be… but it is also a leading question on your part.

    Liberals as a whole believe in regulation; whether that is financial, environmental, civil, or whatever. We see a need for oversight… so the question becomes what is “socialism” and what is oversight?

    Am I on boarding with a single payer system? I am… overwhelmingly we need health care reform.

    Am I on board for free college? Hell no… I am on board with subsidizing student loan costs (further) to lower interest rates and other forms of subsidizing to limit tuition inflation. I’m open to cheap community college but you gotta have skin in the game.

    Am I on board for student loan forgiveness? The idea yes… depends on the execution. An entire generation is marred with this issue and with all the corporate welfare that goes out, I don’t see this as any different and I can justify/rationalize in the same way…

    I can go on but this is about beating Trump… so there is an element of pragmatism at play while also catering to the younger, more “idealistic” (what you would call socialism” vote.

    Also, you say you aren’t a Trumper but actions speak louder than words.

    So you personally aren’t as extreme as the squad members but do you think they should be invited to speak at the convention?

    Do you think they should be invited?

    Do you think they will be invited?

    Do you think if they were invited that riling up the base would be worth the cost?

    As for you saying that my actions somehow paint me as a Trumper I will just say that you are confusing your dislike of me and the things I believe with the people who support Trump and all the things you dislike about them.  The biggest thing we have in common is that you don’t like either of us.

    Being a foil to the maniacal ravings of the lunatic know as “Verge” does not make me a Trumper.  It also doesn’t make me a troll or some guy named Java.

     

     

     

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    #1211934

    jbear
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    Last nights AOC/Socialism ad

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/gop-group-defends-ad-showing-burning-image-aoc-democratic-debate

    Run by a Trumpette

    Because as Java says, it’s a separate thing from Trump

    Lmao

    LOL

    That’s one of the laziest Trolls you’ve ever come with Java.

    Because a Trump supporting group thinks Socialists are murderous killers and so do I, I guess we must be the same thing.  So freaking ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

     

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    #1211951

    Anonymous

    I don’t dislike you as a person, just can’t stand your hyperbolic stance on politics… you’re hyper-partisan.

    I think the questions you’re asking are fair, I just don’t have an answer.

    Will far left have a voice at the convention? I would wager they will.

    Will far left candidates win? Hard to say. Warren has my favoritism at the moment.

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    #1212058

    jbear
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    I don’t dislike you as a person, just can’t stand your hyperbolic stance on politics… you’re hyper-partisan.

    I think the questions you’re asking are fair, I just don’t have an answer.

    Will far left have a voice at the convention? I would wager they will.

    Will far left candidates win? Hard to say. Warren has my favoritism at the moment.

    Those are all fair points but I still think you could take a stand one way or another on whether you think Squad members will be given a voice and if you think that’s a good idea or not.

    To be fair to both sides I think its fair to mention that many Republicans were making similar decisions during the last Presidential campaign.  Many were for what we would now call, more moderate candidates who lost out and so many swallowed their pride and backed the winner with varying degrees of vigor.

    Obviously Squad members aren’t going to be the nominee so there are clear differences to the situation but the nominee is likely to be either sympathetic to the squad’s ideals or in real need of their base solidifying liberal rock star mojo.

    I’ll leave my disagreements with Socialism for another day.  I’ve stated plenty of times that the socialists in the Democratic party really do scare me.  That said,  this is really more about engagement in the discussion about where the Democratic party is headed and whether or not the rest of us should be terrified or only a little nervous.

     

     

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    #1212059

    Anonymous

    It’s a dangerous precedent – as both virgil and I said.  The pendulum has swung back… the left is, as predicted, taking the opposite stance

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    jbear
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    It’s funny really.  I never liked Democrats but it’s always been the more socialistic leanings that got me motivated.  The contrast between the old guard Democrats and this new more radical wave has me suddenly feeling way more positively than I ever have about moderate Democrats.

    I almost find myself liking Joe Biden and guys like John Delaney.  Just the contrast is startling.

    Maybe that’s an angle I’ve missed so far. Maybe if a moderate wins the nomination,  they gain something in the General Election by that same contrast.

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    Anonymous

    Well then you would have loved the DINO Hillary! 😎

    The Dems have an identity crisis on their hands and it will be entertaining to see it play out. I think it shakes out with Biden and then if they are smart, get Sanders or Warren as VP to draw those votes.

     

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    #1212159

    Escobar06
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    They aren’t the fringe, they’re the party. They’re mostly young so they haven’t learned to hide their true intentions like long standing Dems do. The entire Democratic party is full of insane individuals who want all kinds of things to become reality that are both evil and horrible for society.

    It’s a historical fact that if you want to destroy a society, and oppress as many people as possible (especially minorities) electing a leftist is hands down the surest way of accomplishing this. Again, history has proven this.

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