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    • Scott Reynolds

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      The previous Bucs regime was concerned that injured WR Mike Williams was too caught up in partying and his new rap career because of his antics on social media. Williams accumulated fines of over $200,000 in 2013 for missed rehab sessions and meetings, and the team was contemplating releasing him in 2014. https://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9562:&Itemid=15

    • Anonymous

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      Interesting read Scott. People have painted MW as whiter than snow up till now. Nice to know these things. It’s what we pay PR.

    • Anonymous

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      This is a guy with first round talent who fell to the fourth round because he quit on his team at Syracuse. Of course the great Mark Dominik assured everyone that he checked out after extensive research was done on his background. And after all the research was done on other great picks background like Aqib Talib, Tanard Jackson, Arron Sears, Josh Freeman and Brian Price how could we possibly question Dominik, Hickey and Co? But in all seriousness, the guy has been a great player and was one of the rare recent Bucs picks to merit a second contract. Whether he's "cashed in" is another story...Someone remind Mike that contracts aren't guaranteed in the NFL.

    • Anonymous

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      There were plenty of reasons to doubt Schiano was the right man to coach this team, but I have no problem with his emphasis on character.  If I had serious questions about a player’s character I wouldn’t consider them before the fifth round, and only then if they graded as first or second round talent.

    • Anonymous

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      Bingo!

    • Anonymous

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      devasher, many of the players pre-date Dominink as GM (and with Sears, it’s quite likely that nobody knew he was bi-polar). Dom did take character into account during the drafts of his era. IRCC, the scout in charge of scouting Brian Price was fired by Dom, because he didn't adequately investigate him.  Also, PR reported previously that one reason they didn't draft LeGarrette Blount because they felt they could only handle one guy with big character flags at a time.

    • Anonymous

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      I had followed Mike Williams on Twitter for a while and was amazed at his immaturity, that he would post such nonsense and brag about his partying. Having just read the PR article and seeing he can be so easily cut, I question his judgement all the more. Hopefully he can stop this train wreck from happening. I believe a talk with Lovie may help, may already have helped. I disagree that this is not a real problem. It is. It’s happened before and it will happen again, young players throwing their careers away, teams misjudging character issues. Time to grow up Mike, let these stories be a warning and turn it around.

    • Anonymous

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      missed and late for meetings/rehab… that’s the biggest issue for me.  shape up or ship out… take you job seriously and quit disrespecting your teammates by acting like your time is more valuable than theirs.  that type of behavior pisses players off and creates problems in the locker room… same take i had on josh regarding his lack of courtesy for his teammates.

    • Anonymous

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      missed and late for meetings/rehab... that's the biggest issue for me.  shape up or ship out... take you job seriously and quit disrespecting your teammates by acting like your time is more valuable than theirs.  that type of behavior pisses players off and creates problems in the locker room... same take i had on josh regarding his lack of courtesy for his teammates.

      the part in bold is a big issue, especially if you have a bunch of motivated guys trying to put it all togetehr

    • Anonymous

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      So much for suggesting to trade him a couple days ago; we wouldn’t get a 4th rounder for him now.  I would talk to him and tell him what him or any other player can expect if they are not in the prescribed rehab and that they better be in good shape and fully understand their football situation.  Wake up calls usually happen after a player is release or traded; then some start performing and we look like idiots.  Bottom line; GET HIS ATTENTION NOW!

    • Anonymous

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      I wonder how much we could get for him in trade.  Maybe nothing, considering the king’s ransom we got for Blount.

    • Anonymous

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      So lemme get this straight…the brain trust were worried that MWill was more concerned about his rap career than his NFL one and their answer was Kenny Britt (who has been in and out of trouble with the law)? My lord, thank goodness the Glazers canned these bozos.

    • Anonymous

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      What is it with wide receivers….

    • Anonymous

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      devasher, many of the players pre-date Dominink as GM (and with Sears, it's quite likely that nobody knew he was bi-polar). Dom did take character into account during the drafts of his era. IRCC, the scout in charge of scouting Brian Price was fired by Dom, because he didn't adequately investigate him.  Also, PR reported previously that one reason they didn't draft LeGarrette Blount because they felt they could only handle one guy with big character flags at a time.

      I included some of the Hickey's picks in part because he remained as scouting director until 2011. Dom did emphasis character in the form of "captains" but still drafted Freeman, Price, Mike Williams, traded for Winslow and signed Blount, Brizcoe, Haynesworth and Eric Wright. One could only imagine who Dominik would have taken if he "didn't" focus so much on character. You're obviously going to get guys with flags because there are so many positions to fill and only so much talent, but epic flame outs like Freeman, Wright and Price can be put to Dominik's feet as an example of the need for diligence when scouting and evaluating players.  Things that were not always evident while he was GM.

    • Anonymous

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      So lemme get this straight...the brain trust were worried that MWill was more concerned about his rap career than his NFL one and their answer was Kenny Britt (who has been in and out of trouble with the law)? My lord, thank goodness the Glazers canned these bozos.

      I asked the same thing, that seems like a frying pan --> fire situation.

    • Anonymous

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      http://www.bucsnation.com/2014/1/30/5362082/mike-williams-agent-respond-to-fine-allegationsSetting aside the ridiculous questions raised about Williams' commitment to football because he posts things on Instagram,

      [edit: I see now it was a quote, sorry Mustard]The author included a lot of interesting info, and raised some really good questions, but this lead ^^ is not really fair, right? I mean its not that "he posts things on Instagram" . .  its everything else, right?  Its that his post on Instagram and twitter seem to reflect a life that has no focus on football and has a lot of focus on the $$$ he just made from the Bucs and those posts are consistent with what the former Bucs sources said. In other words, the story is "Williams may have cashed it in" not "Williams posts on Instagram"He was injured right after getting big money.  Hamstring injuries can be nothing more than unlucky injuries, but they can also be the result of fitness issues. Unfortunately, his hamstring injury comes after getting paid and during a bad season that included (as I recall) a false start or two from him) and not really that great of production when healthy, as I recall. In other words, there is fodder from the season for those who might be inclined to think he's lost focus. (Compare him to VJax who also got paid) His post-injuries tweets and Instagram posts are consistent with a partier (again, compare to VJax), but that is not the issue as much as we are discussing posts AFTER a big contract and as far as I know he did not have the same types (or maybe, volume) of post BEFORE the big contract. (again, compare him to VJax) I also don't believe he was an aspiring rapper or posting about being an aspiring rapper before his contract.  In sum, everyone might have the completely wrong impression of the guy, but he is the one who has created that impression and NOT just by posting things on Instagram. He chose to tweet that he was dropping $30K on dinner because he could, he chose to post about his rapping and partying, he chose NOT to post about his football efforts and rehab .. .  and he chose top tell everyone who took issue with it to go F themselves (essentially) earlier today

    • Anonymous

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      Damn Scott you got the shitestorm going today…hope you have all your ducks in a row on this one.

    • Anonymous

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      Funny because the article actually goes out of its way to be fair to Williams, noting that he also posts about his son etc and that he has a right to party etc. At least that is the part that seemed out of place to me, other than to be balanced. Heck, they even counted tweets, who does that? lol.  Interested to see what the deal is on the fines. The agent said he “wasn’t aware” but I guess we will see. To me the fines are not that big an issue, its the rest of the story

    • Anonymous

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      There were plenty of reasons to doubt Schiano was the right man to coach this team, but I have no problem with his emphasis on character.  If I had serious questions about a player's character I wouldn't consider them before the fifth round, and only then if they graded as first or second round talent.

      +1

    • Anonymous

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      So lemme get this straight...the brain trust were worried that MWill was more concerned about his rap career than his NFL one and their answer was Kenny Britt (who has been in and out of trouble with the law)? My lord, thank goodness the Glazers canned these bozos.

      That was my immediate reaction as well.

    • Anonymous

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      I would recommend so of you read the article on BucNation…seems it would be VERY difficult to rack up $200,000 worth of fines while on IR. This guy has been a spectacular player for a 4th round pick, one of the very few, if ONLY 4th round pick under Dominik that has every done anything on the field. Unsure of the motivation by “past regime” Dominik, because if true this make them look even more incompetent after giving him new contract. Of course, there is precedence with Clayton, but IMO Williams is a much better player, and its unfortunate how Tampa seems to crucify their own players with very little evidence of anything malicious. It’s how this area’s media has worked for years and has now trickled down to the blogs and fans. I’ve said this before and unfortunately I believe we have the worst fans and media with regard to an NFL team in the NFL.  NOT ALL, but so many sheep take their cues from the negative media towards the Bucs, that has gone on for years, decades.

    • Anonymous

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      Bringing in Britt may not be as big a deal as everyone is thinking.  My understanding is that the team was looking at bringing in Britt only if Williams didn't pan out - it wasn't "We're set on replacing Williams with Britt."Schiano had a prior relationship with Britt, knew him well, and if he (and Dominik) felt that Britt would be on the straight and narrow in Tampa I have much less of an issue with this.  I don't think Schiano was betting everything on Britt - rather I think he would have come in part way through training camp for the vet minimum.  Given his talent I'd be willing to take that risk particularly because of Schiano being there.

    • Anonymous

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      So an employer is not allowed to react to an employee behavior that they are not pleased with?  I need to get into this business.

    • Anonymous

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      Posting the instagram pictures by itself is not an issue, it is in conjunction with other things.What if he had an rehab appointment at 9, rolls in at 11 and the medical staff are looking at instagram pictures of him partying till 3 or 4 in the morning?What if after the surgery he was told to take it easy and not do anything strenuous for a month, and then he posts pictures of him partying, dancing and rapping? As someone pointed out, MW hasn't denied any of this yet so we will have to wait and see how it pans out. There are a few chapters left in this one if you ask me.

    • Anonymous

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      Funny because the article actually goes out of its way to be fair to Williams, noting that he also posts about his son etc and that he has a right to party etc. At least that is the part that seemed out of place to me, other than to be balanced. Heck, they even counted tweets, who does that? lol.  Interested to see what the deal is on the fines. The agent said he "wasn't aware" but I guess we will see. To me the fines are not that big an issue, its the rest of the story

      The interesting thing to me is that MW didn't deny the fines. You'd figure that would be the first thing he'd bring up.

    • Anonymous

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      Funny because the article actually goes out of its way to be fair to Williams, noting that he also posts about his son etc and that he has a right to party etc. At least that is the part that seemed out of place to me, other than to be balanced. Heck, they even counted tweets, who does that? lol.  Interested to see what the deal is on the fines. The agent said he "wasn't aware" but I guess we will see. To me the fines are not that big an issue, its the rest of the story

      The interesting thing to me is that MW didn't deny the fines. You'd figure that would be the first thing he'd bring up.

      yep

    • Anonymous

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      Funny because the article actually goes out of its way to be fair to Williams, noting that he also posts about his son etc and that he has a right to party etc. At least that is the part that seemed out of place to me, other than to be balanced. Heck, they even counted tweets, who does that? lol.  Interested to see what the deal is on the fines. The agent said he "wasn't aware" but I guess we will see. To me the fines are not that big an issue, its the rest of the story

      The interesting thing to me is that MW didn't deny the fines. You'd figure that would be the first thing he'd bring up.

      yep

      Well the agents denial was... circumspect? He didn't seem to outright deny the fines so much as Williams not being fined for a couple specific behaviours. He also specified that he wasn't "aware" of any fines - covering his ass one way or the other.

    • Anonymous

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      Funny because the article actually goes out of its way to be fair to Williams, noting that he also posts about his son etc and that he has a right to party etc. At least that is the part that seemed out of place to me, other than to be balanced. Heck, they even counted tweets, who does that? lol.  Interested to see what the deal is on the fines. The agent said he "wasn't aware" but I guess we will see. To me the fines are not that big an issue, its the rest of the story

      The interesting thing to me is that MW didn't deny the fines. You'd figure that would be the first thing he'd bring up.

      yep

      Well the agents denial was... circumspect? He didn't seem to outright deny the fines so much as Williams not being fined for a couple specific behaviours. He also specified that he wasn't "aware" of any fines - covering his ass one way or the other.

      right, Williams couldnt use the same defense

    • Anonymous

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      So lemme get this straight...the brain trust were worried that MWill was more concerned about his rap career than his NFL one and their answer was Kenny Britt (who has been in and out of trouble with the law)? My lord, thank goodness the Glazers canned these bozos.

      Good post.

    • Anonymous

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      The part about Britt is odd. The dude’s been in legitimate trouble with the law in addition to pouting about a diminished role in TN last year. To me it would’ve been a strictly Rutgers South move. I think we can safely assume that bad idea has passed.I don't doubt the veracity of SR's story here. If you follow MWill on Twitter you see some stuff that normally doesn't come out of a pro athlete. The only thing that bugs me significantly is the hamstring rehab being blown off. He knows he's important to the offense moving forward, it's the reason he was paid. My guess is he gets a fresh start this year with Lovie to prove he can live up to his contract, but after that he's probably dunskie.

    • Anonymous

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      So not to be too be picky or anything. But I don’t see a single source attributed in this story. So that leave us w/ rap music and social media faux pas. Apparently Roy Cummings had no problem contacting the agent. Any updates on Donald Penn?

    • Anonymous

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      Apparently Roy Cummings had no problem contacting the agent.

      who said . . . . .nothing  ("I am 'not aware' of any fines .  .").  Weird that Williams has not denied the fines. He had time to create a graphic for Instagram and no doubt speak with his agent .. .  and yet neither directly refuted the fine issue (which is actually only a small part of the story, but what most seem to focus on)

    • Anonymous

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      Who are your sources for this story, Scott and why were they not named? Also, do you have proof of these fines you claim were  levied against Williams?

    • Anonymous

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      I’m waiting to see how seriously he takes his job under this new staff. It was commented that a lot of players didn’t like coming to work under Schiano’s regime. Kids/young players will make mistakes and lose focus. It takes good leadership to instill an element of maturity/seriousness in young people. I think Mike matures going forward.