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      Should the Glazers Sell the Buccaneers?By Jake Hamar Oct 14, 2015glazers_zpsv5xxla8i.pngKim Klement-USA TODAY SportsBucs owners want to play more games away from Raymond James StadiumTampa Bay Buccaneers football fans are some of the best in the NFL.They are very knowledgeable, as evidenced by this website. They follow every play, let you know when they aren't happy with a play, yet stick with their team no matter if they are 11-5 or 5-11.It's called passion.And I'm afraid the Glazers are trying to take that away.glazers1_zpsaqopi17w.jpg Tampa Bay Buccaneers are some of the most passionate in the NFL. (Courtesy of Jonathan Dyer/USA Today Sports)Recently, it was reported that the Glazers were willing to work out a deal with the Tampa Sports Authority and Hillsborough County to pay for the necessary upgrades to Raymond James Stadium. The costs will end up being between $78 and $100 million.But there is just a little catch.The Glazers want to play at least 1 preseason and 2 regular season games away from Raymond James. Some county officials have been scratching their heads, wondering why the Glazers would ask for a such a request. Is it to get ready for a new stadium proposal around the time their lease expires in 2028? Hillsborough County Commissioner Ken Hagan definitely thinks so."I told them for us to even consider that, they would need to bring a Manchester United game here, or a Super Bowl, he told Fox 13 in Tampa. "We would not let them play two games in the same city because our concern is that they could  potentially build up a fan base in that community and then use that as leverage against us during future lease discussions."Tactics like this are not new. Many NFL franchises have used many different tricks to try and get their cities to pay for a new stadium/arena. It's happened in Indianapolis with the Colts, it has occurred with the NHL's Pittsburgh Penguins, and it also took place in Sacramento with the Kings. City officials, feeling that the teams are a huge part of the public trust, usually cave in, and end up paying for most or all of the cost of the stadium.Problem is: the public has already paid for Raymond James Stadium.glazers2_zps7sthmonz.jpg Raymond James Stadium was built just 17 years ago, but some think it's already outdated. (Courtesy of Scott Halleran)The scuttlebutt for years has been that the Glazers, who also own the soccer club Manchester United, have wanted to move the Buccaneers to London.In 2013, co-owner Joel Glazer tried to calm the fans fears by talking to the Tampa Tribune's Ira Kaufman."That's not even an issue,’’ Glazer said at the time. "We have worked as hard as anybody to get tickets sold. It's tough circumstances in Florida. The economy's not great and it's a changing world. We have to adapt to that changing world. I think we saw progress last year and fans are enthusiastic about the upcoming season.’’That was then. This is now.The NFL has been very open about their desires to put an NFL team in England. They continue to play regular season games there, and are trying to grow the game there as much as possible. Originally, NFL insiders thought the Jacksonville Jaguars would be ripe for relocation, but now, with these recent turn of events, the focus of relocation rumors turns back to Tampa Bay.glazers3_zpsuru2oocy.jpgBryan Glazer has asked to play more NFL games outside of Tampa Bay. (Courtesy of Doug Benc/Getty Images)For the first decade and a half of their ownership, the Glazers were tremendous owners. Once they bought the team from the estate of Hugh Culverhouse, they started to draft really well, and hire really smart football people like Tony Dungy, Monte Kiffin, Lovie Smith and later on, Jon Gruden. Their wise hirings paid off for the Buccaneers, who erased years of futility, made the playoffs in 1997 on the back of their unstoppable defense, and in 2003, crushed the Oakland Raiders for their first and only Super Bowl title.glazers4_zpstknqw0b5.jpgThe late Malcolm Glazer was a great owner for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. (Courtesy of Al Messerschmidt/Getty Images)But since then, the team has been snake bit by unsuccessful coaching hires (Raheem Morris, Greg Schiano), a rising quarterback who flamed out (Josh Freeman), and almost a decade of losing football. For a franchise that played so well during the late 90's and early 2000's, it's been a disappointing decade to say the least.This is not to say the Glazers are trying to stick it to the Tampa St. Pete area. They are businessmen first and foremost, and if the situation isn't working, they'll try and figure out a different business model.Problem is, most of the Buccaneers bumbles rest on their shoulders.It would be truly a shame if the Glazers decided to one day move the franchise to London. Nothing against NFL fans in England (they run a really cool Buccaneers webpage called Bucpower.com), but it would be hard for me to see the Tampa Bay Buccaneers relocate. Yes, it is a business, but the fans feel the effect once a team is gone, even though its out of their hands.Which is why I wish they would sell the team.A perfect scenario would be if they sold the franchise to Jeff Vinik, owner of the NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning. He has surrounded himself with great hockey people (GM Steve Yzerman and Coach Jon Cooper), and tremendous talent like Steven Stamkos, Tyler Johnson, Victor Hedman and goalie Ben Bishop. The team won the Eastern Conference Championship last year, and look really good early in this NHL season.glazers5_zpsmtptqfgl.jpgJeff Vinik has revitalized the Tampa Bay Lightning, and could do the same for the Buccaneers. (Courtesy of Mike Carlson/Getty Images)I have drawn up a scenario for which the Glazers sell the Buccaneers. Keep in mind this is my dream, and it will probably never happen, but hey, it's my fantasy! Ownership Scenario for the Buccaneers1-) The Glazers sell the team to Lightning owner Jeff Vinik (along with some investors), and the NFL grants them an expansion franchise for London.2-) Vinik brings in Tony Dungy as President of Football Operations, and keeps Jason Licht as GM.3-) The new ownership group makes the renovations to Raymond James Stadium.4-) The Buccaneers do their Fan Fest every year-but switch off between Orlando and Tampa.5-) Play 1 preseason game in London each year to say thank you to the England fans. Make it a weekend celebration, with a Fan Fest, where fans can meet all their favorite Bucs.Look, this might be unrealistic, but I'm just a guy who doesn't want his team to move away. Like you, I have a lot of passion for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and it wouldn't be the same if they relocated. Is there a lot of empty seats at Raymond James? Of course. But all this team needs is a little TLC.And maybe Jeff Vinik.glazers6_zps5vs1gwax.pnglink

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    • Anonymous

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      Absolutely. The recent slide into ineptitude lies at the feet of the trust fund babies.

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    • Anonymous

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      Won’t happen.  A team based in London would be at a distinct disadvantage, just try flying to London some time.  It takes 8 hours from Atlanta…just imagine their away games?  West Coat away games could take more than half a day flight time.

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    • JonMott

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      So 1202 people want us to move to London? I don’t get it

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    • vlagatta

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      I think I……..more than anyone else here……have vocalized my thoughts on the glazer boys failures……and desiring they sell the team….as they are actual “real” problem.

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    • vlagatta

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      So 1202 people want us to move to London? I don't get it

      the team cannot move for many years......the team can only be sold.

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    • Anonymous

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      So 1202 people want us to move to London? I don't get it

      The Glazers would sell the team to someone that would keep the team in Tampa (hopefully) then, in a perfect Glazer world, the Glazers would start a whole new franchise in London. 

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    • Anonymous

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      So 1202 people want us to move to London? I don't get it

      the team cannot move for many years......the team can only be sold.

      I look at it like a player FA market.Right now, they can ONLY sell because of their agreement. They have to play at rjs. With that said, they also have a team, who's value is NOT worth the current asking price. I believe tampa was worth around half a billion?If that is so, it would require a very confident, or mega wealthy new ownership. Or, the glazers would simply have ro lower the standard, which they have in the past ten years.Imagine you are a filthy rich investor. Would YOU invest in this current team, given that they have only four wins in two seasons and a dwindling fanbase?Granted, some would view it as a possible "buy low, sell high," but the only one's getting rich(er) off a buccaneers sale would be the glazers. From what they have invested, taken in from yearly nfl revenue sharing, given the sweetheart deal, buying up seats, the particular whole value of the team's worth...etc...etc...oh yeah, theyre going to be as demanding about a sale, as they would the current sports authority's negotiations. Probably much more so.The possibility of a "wipe the slate clean" type sale is possible though, but its also not like the glazers NEED too. Which is actually the worst info we could have. They have grown so much animosity in this area, they are looking for options to get out. They do not understand THEIR actions are to blame. Maybe they just dont gaf. Either way, they need to go. And, to add, i hope the sports authority sticks it to them in their negotiations. Imo, the glazers have no real bargaining power, and act like they deserve. They need to be b1Tchslapped back to reality.

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    • Anonymous

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      The Glazers suck. Would be awesome if they could sell to Vinik.

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    • Anonymous

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      Would be nice if Mark Cuban wanted to buy an NFL team in Florida. Would definitely be in favor of him.

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    • vlagatta

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      Imagine you are a filthy rich investor. Would YOU invest in this current team, given that they have only four wins in two seasons and a dwindling fanbase?

      absolutely....the teams share in revenues....for the most part.that, unfortunately is why (in my opinion) the glazers will never get rid of the team.  Malcolm knew his sons were not business men like he was......he wanted to offer his kids a way of providing solid income...even if they fail.....and that plan is working wonderfully for them.

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    • Anonymous

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      Dumb article….1. The owners will never allow an existing team to move overseas....plus the Players Union would lose them minds....2. The other city most likely will be Orlando...I doubt the league would let the Bucs travel out of state...Hell... the Jags probably would poop in their pants if they play in Orlando anyways...uh-oh...MikeBot is broken...

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    • Anonymous

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      The Glazers want to play at least 1 preseason and 2 regular season games away from Raymond James. link

      I thought they asked for 2 games, with one of them possibly being a preseason game?

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    • Anonymous

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      Imagine you are a filthy rich investor. Would YOU invest in this current team, given that they have only four wins in two seasons and a dwindling fanbase?

      absolutely....the teams share in revenues....for the most part.that, unfortunately is why (in my opinion) the glazers will never get rid of the team.  Malcolm knew his sons were not business men like he was......he wanted to offer his kids a way of providing solid income...even if they fail.....and that plan is working wonderfully for them.

      Would a new ownership have the "sweetheart deal" roll over to them?I'm not stoo ure about the wording. Does it inculde whatever ownership, or JUST glazers...If so, i'd buy. If not, i wouldnt buy this craptastic team. Not when the likelyhood of success is pretty low.Again, it could be the moutain of gold for the right investor. Even if they're paying much more than its actually worth. I see it as a money-dump, with a slight chance of a rebuild and payout. A "flip" if you will.

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    • Anonymous

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      Dumb article....1. The owners will never allow an existing team to move overseas....plus the Players Union would lose them minds....2. The other city most likely will be Orlando...I doubt the league would let the Bucs travel out of state...Hell... the Jags probably would poop in their pants if they play in Orlando anyways...uh-oh...MikeBot is broken...

      I don't think the writer was talking about an existing team moving across the pond. He was suggesting the Glazers get a new franchise in Limey land. And the Bucs stay put.

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    • Anonymous

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      Mikebot posted an article that got clicks.Poster says Mikebot is broken, while opening thread and commenting in thread.Mikebot was a successful bot by luring the rube into commenting.

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    • vlagatta

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      Would a new ownership have the “sweetheart deal” roll over to them?

      If you mean revenue sharing, yes.  it's league wide....and where 80% of team income comes from.  the only revenue individual teams can keep, are local sponsorships (such as publix), seat revenue, stadium naming rights (Raymond James) and team merchandise sales...all of which equate to less that 20%.  the bulk of the shared revenue comes from highly lucrative NFL TV revenues, worth billions.

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    • Anonymous

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      So 1202 people want us to move to London? I don't get it

      the question is only if the NFL gave London an expansion team...much like the Panthers and jags had 15 is years ago......not moving the buck to London ..just the glazers. The glazers would sell the bus the bus would remain here under new...and hopefully smarter ownership

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    • Anonymous

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      Would a new ownership have the "sweetheart deal" roll over to them?

      If you mean revenue sharing, yes.  it's league wide....and where 80% of team income comes from.  the only revenue individual teams can keep, are local sponsorships (such as publix), seat revenue, stadium naming rights (Raymond James) and team merchandise sales...all of which equate to less that 20%.  the bulk of the shared revenue comes from highly lucrative NFL TV revenues, worth billions.

      No, i think we got a bit off track.I mean, the sweatheart deal. They get major help from the sports authority finacially. Taxbreaks, etc.What i dont know, and am asking to anyone who might know... does that tax break, benefits, etc get handed to the new ownership, or do they have to work out another deal with the county?The revenue sharing is separate from what the county worked out with the glazers, but im not so sure if the glazers are the one's its titled to, or if it's the team or stadium its linked to.It would be a major selling point for whomever looking to buy from the glazers, if that part stays with the stadium or team, rather than have to rework (presumably) a contract that would be nowhere near the breaks the glazers had.

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