Through the popular series “Gruden’s QB Camp”, ESPN analyst Jon Gruden has spent time with both Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota during the weeks leading up to the NFL draft. And now, two days before Chicago’s prime time event, the former Buccaneer’s head coach believes it’s Mariota who should be leading Tampa Bay in 2015.
“I don’t understand why (Mariota) isn’t the No. 1 player in this draft on Mel Kiper’s Big Board,” Gruden said on Tuesday to Mel Kiper, via ProFootballTalk.com. “I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do.”
Gruden went on to knock the common criticism that Mariota is a “system quarterback”, alluding to the spread-style concepts he ran in college at Oregon.
“He can read the field,” Gruden said. “That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.”
In making his final case, Gruden pointed out the fact that Mariota not only ran a 4.52 forty (Winston ran a 4.97), but that he’s also the same size as the Florida State product, even drawing a comparison to Russell Wilson.
“He is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor,” Gruden said. “I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.”
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I’ll re-post what I said in the other article. Mariota does not have a “type”. There’s never been a QB like Mariota to enter the draft. That’s why you have to watch so many games of his to figure out what you have. He’s not Kaepernick because he’s a better decision maker. He’s not RGIII because he’s a better decision maker and he doesn’t have the horrible sense of entitlement and ego. He’s not Cam Newton because he’s not as strong but faster and more mature. He’s not Alex Smith because he has a stronger and more accurate arm. He’s not B. Gabbert because he has 3 years of starting experience compared to 1.5. He’s not A. Rodgers because he played in a different offense but Mariota is much faster.
You have to do a ton of homework and watch a ton of games to appreciate how rare someone like Mariota is. I watched him play 9 full games last season and 5 the year before. That’s why more and more teams and analysts are rating Mariota higher and higher…because they finally got around to analyzing all of his games to see he can do it all.
I would go back to decision making and on field confidence, Mariota also worked off half a field a lot , hence less interceptions and higher completion percentage.Winston clearly excels in these three areas over Mariota.Can Mariota capture these and work the whole field in the nfl, can Winston keep his weight down and avoid Winston issues well that’s the toss up ? Mariota is also much more sackable than Winston so 40 times mean nothing they are just fools gold.Marino, Manning enough said. Btw the Bucs must take full advantage of the first pick with the titans in the mix and get an extra pick and still the guy they want.The bucs may not get full compensation for trading the number one pick but should be able to pick up a future first or additional second and still get their guy. Jason the Titans are your team mate for the next 24 hours help get them added value and they will help you , this can easily be done if the Bucs team up with The Titans !! Others calls mean nothing if the Titans are not on Board !!! Go Bucs !!
Oh goodness pink, are you his agent now? You act like he is the second coming or something. He’s a spread QB, like every other one before him. Numbers inflated by a system.
Listen, I’ve always said I think Mariota has a great chance to be successful in the NFL, if he gets to the right team. I hope he succeeds, but to say he’s a QB unlike any other is simply laughable.
And to compare him to an NFL MVP in Rodgers is almost sinful. Rodgers plays from the pocket and had the ability to sit for 3 years before starting. You don’t take a guy number one overall to sit for 3 years anymore.
I know your sources at one buc will have us taking Mariota , but my hunch is that his quiet demeanor will be his downfall in terms of us picking him.
Heck, if he was a much more vocal leader and alpha dog, I would love him. But his demeanor turns me completely off.
If you would have told me a year ago when we were coming off a 4-12 season that we would be in a position to take either of the top two QB’s and one of the biggest factors amongst the local media and fans was demeanor you could’ve knocked me over with a feather. Cgmaster27, that’s been the biggest surprise to me is how many people care about the demeanor of player when that has zero impact on putting points on the board. Zero. I would have thought everyone was just as sick of losing as I was and would put the ability to put more points on the board than the opposing team above all else.
Schiano, Morris, Gruden, Wyche, were all rah-rah guys too. Type “A” personalities. Would you pick any of them over Dungy? Mariota can win in the NFL. He doesn’t need the right “system”. He just needs time. You keep Glennon who has two years left on his contract, you start Glennon, and you bring Mariota along. Let him adjust. If he’s ready in week 6 or 10 or whatever, you start him then. You don’t have to throw him to the wolves week 1 vs. Tennesee. You let the new offensive line gel and get some snaps under their belts. The owners and fans will have to be patient NO MATTER WHO the Bucs draft.
Extremely well said and I can only hope and pray that Jason Licht and Lovie Smith are simply doing a masterful job of fooling everyone into thinking Winston is the pick.
I’m still holding out hope that Koetter and Bajakian have this genius plan that will utilize Mariota’s insane skill set in some new offensive scheme they’re cooking up.
The Bucs have Glennon, so why not use him while Mariota is getting aclimated with the NFL and the new offensive system if need be. Glennon is more than competent.
I won’t be heart-broken if Winston is the pick, but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t be disappointed some.
I’ll still be rooting for Winston as the new QB, but I’ll be holding my breath a bit, worrying about the next time he does something stupid off the field.
Let’s face it, people rarely change and money often magnifies character flaws, so while I will be crossing my fingers, hoping for the best for Jameis, I won’t be shocked if we haven’t seen the last of Winston’s off-field issues. I’ll probably still follow Mariota’s career closely as well to get an idea of what might have been.
But hopefully Mariota will be a Buc and I won’t have to do either.
Gruden’s selection of Mariota means Winston will definitely be the best pick for the Bucs.
I am floored at all this talk about Cleveland or any other team moving up for a QB and all the action being on TN. The Bucs better get on the horn and remind everyone they ain’t getting squat without taking a big chance and if they want one of the Qb’s the bucs hold the cards……. Period end of Story !! If there is a trade with Tn for a QB and the Bucs don’t Get a second, a starting o lineman or decent Lb out of the deal and still get there guy then Licht and Lovie should be fired on Fri………… You must get Max value out of this pick position and if you don’t you should be fired immediately. the Bucs had better have two or three acceptable o lineman picked out from any possible suitor trying to move up with Tn, for sure at least three players from Tn and Cleveland. You may have seconds to put this together and they had better get the pointe out there and be ready.Clearly they have not got the word out that if you want your man you have to deal with us because the Nfl network would erupt and declare Licht a genius, Licht this isn’t about having fun as you stated, this is about an opportunity to make your team better……… Quit having fun , wake the F UP realize your leverage and do your dam JOB……..Rookie !!!!!!
Gruden is right. And Mariota will be a Buccaneer by Thursday night.
No shock here. Gruden has always prefered a mobile QB. If you told me Gruden had to choose between a pocket passer or a mobile QB, hes picking the latter 10/10 regardless if their name is Mariota or otherwise.
So what is Ron Jaworski’s excuse for favoring Mariota? He’s had a bone to pick with mobile QB’s every since he lost his starting job to one in Philly. He’s always talking about mechanics and playing from within the pocket.
I’m down for Mariota under one condition- we trade the 1st pick to the Bears ( they select Winston- we get the 7th,bears 1st/2nd next year and Forte and Cutler).we then trade cutler and 7th pick to Titans for 2nd pick( Mariota)… We then can have Glennon and Mariota,the Bears first/2nd rounders next year+ Forte for the trouble…We would be the studs of the draft and would have plenty of ammo to move back into the first this year or wait for next years crop…
I would love a trade scenario where we pick up picks and still come away with Mariota. As well as the Bucs have set themselves up as trade partners by equally evaluating both of these guys anything is possible.
I would love this as well. But I’m not sure that is worth the risk of losing Mariota. I guess I’d rather know for sure Winston won’t be my QB, my kids need a role model for the next 10 years.
your kids will have a role model for the next 10 years…he’s the 3rd stringer in Philadelphia
YOU are suppose to be your kids role model! not some random athlete LOL
Gruden loved Rob Johnson who had similar traits to Mariota. How did that work out? Gruden also said he’d pick Cadillac Williams again, which means he’d pass over Aaron Rogers again. How did that work out Jon? Seven years Gruden was here, and aside from Brad who he inherited, we had a revolving door of has been at quarterback under his watch. He Loved Griese, Rob Johnson, some Polish kid, that ex 49er, and oh yeah, he almost got Chris Simms killed. I guess that’s why Gruden is the founding member of the fired coaches association. Jaboo wins!!!
surferdudes is spot on. Gruden took us to the SuperBowl, but he had issues drafting people which ended up costing him his job.
Gruden also didn’t have full say in who he could draft. He has already publicly admitted he wanted to draft A Peterson but was over ruled and forced to draft Adams.
Surferdudes, If i remember right Griese went 4-1 for us before his season ending injury, and The Ex 49er was a probowler who did OK for us also. Those Qbs were the best option for us at the time. It wasnt like Brett Favre or Patyon Manning was avaliable. Grudens not gonna come out and say I got these OK QBs for now. He is going to say he loves them to give them confidence. I dont blame him for picking Caddy over Rodgers either. No way Rodgers would be the QB he is today if he hadn’t sat behind Favre for many years and learned. If we would have drafted him, we would have started him as a rookie and he would have got killed like Simms. You would be ragging on Gruden right now for drafting him and Rodgers being a bust. Remember Gruden turn a back up journey man (Rich Gannon) into a probowler and gave Brad johnson a couple of the best years of his career. Gruden has a good eye for QB talent, he just cant always develope it. Gruden also didnt have 2 of his 1st round picks and 2 of his 2nd round picks his first 3 years coaching for us so he was forced to go pick up veterans in FA. Beside Dungy, Gruden was the best coach Tampa has ever had. The main reason Gruden was fired is because he refused to gut our team and cut future hall of famers like Derrick Brooks.
Gruden was fine but wasnt great~peeps give him too much damn credit period.He couldnt develop players and rather would roll dice with Vets whom he was familiar with on tape~many of his choices were bad..His best QB work was with Gannon whom he picked apart in the SB which made him look like a guru~problem was that Oakland was still using his playbook…Chuckie is entertaining but I wouldnt want him back and I wouldnt want him making the pick.
Kino- Whoa…take it easy big fella. I would love for the Bucs to come away with one of the top QB’s in this draft, but if they trade with anyone or try to use leverage, who would it be? If they trade down to 2, it’s only because Tennessee wants Winston or Mariota. But they don’t. So who would trade with Tampa to jump in front of Cleveland? Skins? Jets? Bears? If we swap picks with any of those teams, what if they take Winston and Mariota still goes #2 to Cleveland(or whoever)? Bucs have Glennon and that’s it. I personally like Glennon, but Lovie does not. History has shown us that. So, where do the Bucs have leverage? I think they just need to pick their guy at #1. Now, if they draft Mariota and Winston falls to #5, #6, or #7, would the Bucs trade Mariota to one of those teams for Winston and their first 3 rounds of picks plus a player? That could be interesting. Gut feeling is they take who they want and that is that though.
You are clearly not thinking clearly………..let this be clear !!!! in order for anyone wanting to trade with Tn for a QB , the only way they are guaranteed to get that guy is to do a three team trade with the Bucs , the Bucs take the 2nd pick and get the QB they want plus compensation. Tn Moves and gets compensation. Third party team gets presumably Mariota . Again if any team trades with Tn for Mariota or the QB the Bucs are not targeting and the Bucs don’t get themselves in the mix and get an O Lineman or compensation, well they plain and simple Sht the Bed.You must get max value out of this position and if you don’t you are a Bafoon!!!!
But whoever trades with Tennessee will wait until AFTER the Bucs pick. They will lay groundwork right now, but no one is trading diddly until Tampa selects or trades the 1st overall pick when the Bucs are on the clock. Mark my words, thats how it will go down. Imagine if the Bucs were drafting 4th or 5th…we’d all be talking about how much we’d be willing to give up to move up and get Winston or Mariota. I love that we don’t have to give up anything to do it. Just pick whoever you like the most, probably Jameis Winston.
Wrong!!! The teams after a QB at two will pay a price for a guarantee of that player at one………. If bucs get a player ,a second, a future second hell even a third which then allows you to come up late in the first and target and get what ever player they may target.The player u pick at one is only half the deal, getting the value of the position is what today is about and shame on the Bucs if they don’t get it. Parcels, Jimmy Johson and Rich McKay would get value and their player if in fact someone is willing to move to 2 for the QB the Bucs don’t have number 1.Macro thinkers build teams, micro thinkers draft players. Hello Cleveland we really like Mariotta but are willing to work w Tn if you want him.Hello Ruston Webster ex buc at TN we will help guarantee you the compensation you want because we really like Mariota at one………….. But I am afraid we have a rookie staff again that hasn’t a clue and is waiting for someone to call them. Take charge get your player ,get your value, make your team better !! Oh boys isn’t this fun lets see who calls us and by the way lets have the whole world think we are taking Winston and lose all our leverage, what a bunch of Bafoons……….If Tn gets more value out of two than the Bucs get out of one ! Well that’s a Joke. Licht get your head out of your in over your head arss !!
Kino-It’s like a game of chicken for Tennessee. They can just wait for the Bucs to pick whoever they want, Winston or Mariota, and know that there is a market for the only other top guy left, whichever guy that may be. They don’t have to covet either player for one of them to be left at #2. Most pundits and experts and industry people are putting Winston in Tampa with the first pick. If the Bucs don’t pick Winston, I agree there is a chance the Bucs could pick Mariota, then trade Mariota to Washington, Jets, or Bears and then select Winston to get some extra draft picks, but Winston would have to slide past Tennessee and I just don’t see that happening. Plus, is that how we want the Bucs starting the relationship with the new face of the franchise with a bunch of trade games? I know it worked for both Eli Manning and Phil Rivers when those two were traded, but I think that’s rare.
Jdubb has an 70-80% chance of failure imo and a low ceiling as a success. Jdubb suffers from :Long release on medium and long range throws. Inconsistent front foot placement. Reliance on a primary receiver (locking in and throwing to covered player). Not seeing middle of the field defenders even in easy read situations. Poor game plan implementation (See the plethora of first half INTs). Poor fitness (Lovie Smith “When he gets to the next level he’ll take fitness seriously” Ummmm yeah, 15 mil and now he’ll work hard).
And then there is a chance his moral compass doesn’t point north.
I just can’t fathom taking him over a 50/50 shot on MM who has such a high, high ceiling…
Wake me when it’s over! We all have our mostly credible opinions. Our rationale is mostly valid to a point. The odd thing for me is those who prefer Mariota, with the exception of Pink, seem to always want to highlight the ancient ill-advised actions of Winston rather than the traits they admire in the Duck. I will say, that I somewhat agree with Pink in the sense that the more I learn about Mariota, the more I think his lack of personality may not be as much of a negative as I first thought but I still think our team needs the swagger of Winston. I don’t give much credibility to what the Mike Mayocks and Mel Kiper’s have to say because history shows that neither they, nor the other TV personalities, have any better track record than Bill Tobin’s mailman. 50%-60% success rate is pretty poor, but every one of these “experts” lists the same players in pretty much the same ranking. Whether you like Winston or Mariota, virtually everyone agrees that they are # 1 and # 2. No one has come out and said either will take the path of Ryan Leaf. Of course no one predicted Leaf would swirl down the drain like he did. If these guys really had some incredible insight, wouldn’t they predict more accurately year after year? Pick either one and we’re better off than we were at the position. I’ll cheer for whoever it is and hopefully not look back with a “could have had a V8” regret. But like Suh and McCoy, Mariota and Winston will stay linjed for at least a few years. I wish both success.
Scubog-The only V8 moment we’d all feel is if the Bucs trade with the Jets and pick up the Jets first 3 picks and QB Geno Smith! Wait though…if they did that and then picked up Kevin White from Smith’s alma mater to pair with Evans and Jackson, then draft 2 players in the second and 2 in the third for the offensive and defensive lines…nah, still a V8 moment.
interesting read. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/marcus-mariota-is-projected-to-be-better-than-jameis-winston/
Yeah, wnb0395, I read that. I live in Indianapolis and watch the Colts every week. Luck definitely extends drives from using his feet to pick up 1st downs on third downs. He also has great strength and is tough to sack. He has people draped all over him and still gets rid of the ball most times. I don’t see either one of the guys in this years draft in that category. Not mentioned in that article was Luck’s incredible accuracy. It is also a huge factor in extending drives. Lucks escapability is a big reason why he is successful. Same thing could be said about Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers.
Winston is the pick. It should be entertaining to watch it all unfold over the next few years.
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