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September 16, 2013 @ 4:14 pm
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Saints Nip Bucs 16-14: Most Impressive And Disappointing List

Written by Mark
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Mark Cook

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Which linebacker almost single-handily won the game for Tampa Bay on Sunday? Which players dropped the ball – literally – in Sunday's loss? Get Mark Cook's take on the the players who stood out and the ones who need to regroup in the weekly in-season feature The Most Impressive and Disappointing List.
Less than 10 seconds and a handful of plays stands between the Bucs being 2-0 on the year as opposed to 0-2. Once again on Sunday, Tampa Bay had their hearts broken on the leg of the opposing team's kicker, falling to the Saints 16-14 in a gritty, rain-delayed and somewhat controversially called game.

MOST IMPRESSIVE

RB Doug Martin
When your star running back runs for 144 yards, and as a team you pick up 160 yards on the ground, your football team most likely doesn’t lose. One Sunday the Buccaneers were able to find a way to come up short on the scoreboard with those types of numbers – not an easy thing to do.

Martin, after struggling last week at New York, never ripped off a run longer than 28 yards but instead took what the defense gave him, finding small seams at times and exploiting them.

Martin did have a drop in Sunday’s game, which gives him three on the season, and the former Boise State star has got to figure out a way to hang onto the football, especially with quarterback Josh Freeman struggling.

Overall Martin was outstanding and the Buccaneers need to keep the running game churning as they attempt to get out of their funk and back on the winning track.

LB Mason Foster
Foster, like the rest of the linebackers, kept the Buccaneers in the game right until the final drive. Tampa Bay’s starting middle linebacker was all over the field and was a key component on the Bucs second quarter goal line stand, keeping Brees and Co. out of the end zone just before the first half ended. A touchdown right there and things could have gotten sketchy, but the momentum and confidence of the Buccaneers defense grew by leaps and bounds.

Foster wasn’t just a stud in the run game, but also had the play of the game in pass coverage, intercepting a Brees pass early in the fourth quarter and returning it 85 yards for a touchdown, the third longest pick six in Buccaneers history.

For the game Foster had seven tackles, two pass breakups and the interception return for a touchdown.

DE Adrian Clayborn
Clayborn was victimized by a questionable penalty in the second quarter when the Bucs third-year defensive lineman blasted Saints QB Drew Brees for an apparent sack and fumble. But out came the yellow flag and the Buccaneers, who would have been in scoring position after the fumble recovery, instead handed the ball back to Brees and the Saints offense. Clayborn was visibly shocked after the play wondering what he could have done differently. Clayborn declined to talk to PewterReport.com on the record, as most likely it would have been too difficult to bite his tongue on his thoughts about the call.

Clayborn was a beast on the afternoon, flying all over field and collected five tackles, one sack, a forced fumble and credited with a pass breakup.

LB Lavonte David
Lavonte David apparently had no hangover from the Jets game last Sunday as the second-year linebacker from Nebraska had another excellent game versus the Saints. PewterReport.com’s Scott Reynolds, in a recent Fab 5, said for David to take the next step to the elite level, he needed more splash plays. David must read Reynolds’ column as he collected six tackles, 1.5 sacks, three quarterback pressures and a pass break up. Last week David had an interception and now all three of the Bucs linebackers have at least one sack and an interception in just the first two games of the season.

S Mark Barron
The presence of safety Dashon Goldson is helping Mark Barron (and Goldson) develop into one of the better safety tandems in the NFC, and maybe the entire league. Barron looks like a completely different player in 2013 than he did as a rookie and while he did have pass interference call against the Saints, No. 23 was all over the field in run and pass support.

For the game Barron led all players with 13 tackles, and was credited with half a sack to go along with a tackle for loss and a pass breakup.

Honorable Mention: Gerald McCoy, Michael Koenen, Dekoda Watson, Dashon Goldson

MOST DISAPPOINTING
WR Vincent Jackson
Yes Jackson led the Bucs in receiving with five catches for 77 yards, but the offensive captain also had two drops on Sunday, one which would have resulted in a first down late in the first half. When your quarterback is struggling, your Pro Bowl receiver must come up with key catches. On Sunday, Jackson was unable to do so, at least early in the game.

Jackson did respond on the Bucs final two drives picking up a couple crucial first down receptions despite getting blasted across the middle. Jackson also out wrangled a Saints defender for an apparent 75-yard TD pass, but the score was nullified by a procedure penalty.

Jackson didn’t have a terrible game, but as a veteran and in a crucial game, Jackson needed to be better.

QB Josh Freeman
For the second straight week Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman completed less than 50 percent of his passes and under his leadership scored just seven points on Sunday. For a fifth-year quarterback, that just isn’t enough. Freeman was his cliché self – a model of inconsistency. A couple of great passes followed up with a couple of head scratchers, including an interception that was thrown off his back foot and late into double coverage.

There is no need to pile on Freeman anymore at this point as the Bucs current start is catching from every angle. How long does head coach Greg Schiano stick with Freeman? A lot will be determined over the next two games. If the Bucs and Freeman can catch fire – or at least generate a little smoke – it could help turn the season around. If the Bucs are 0-4 at the bye week, the keys to the offense may be handed to rookie Mike Glennon.

For the game Freeman finished 9-of-22 for 125 yards with one TD and one interception. Freeman also lost a fumble in the second half.

S Ahmad Black
The Bucs played more dime coverage on Sunday than they have shown during Schiano's tenure in Tampa Bay and Black was on the field for an extended number of plays Sunday. The former Gator was the culprit on one of three unnecessary roughness calls Sunday when he foolishly nearly decapitated Saints tight end Jimmy Graham on a deep ball over the middle. Black, like Goldson and Barron, must try and find a better strike zone as the Bucs secondary has already caught the attention of the NFL offices and the officials.

Without benefit of a second look it appeared Black was also late in giving help to cornerback Leonard Johnson over the top on the Saints final pass play, one in which that set up the game-winning field goal.

K Rian Lindell
It was wet, the field was muddy and the winds were blowing across the field Sunday when Lindell lined up to put the Bucs ahead by four points late in Sunday’s game against the Saints. The conditions were terrible, yet Lindell has to make that kick. Would it have guaranteed a win? No, but it would have made it a bit more difficult for Brees and the Saints offense, as they would have been forced to score a touchdown instead of a field goal. And lets face it – Lindell has one job to do on this football team, and despite the pressure conditions or circumstances, the former Bills kicker has to make that kick.

WR Mike Williams
The stat line says it all. Two receptions for nine yards. Crickets. Bucs receiver Mike Williams was virtually non-existent for the second week in a row, something that shouldn’t happen to a player who just signed a huge extension in the offseason. Somehow, some way, Williams has to find a way to get open. There is no way the Bucs, led by Freeman, or even Tom Brady for that matter, can win may games when the only legitimate target you have is one receiver, that being Jackson.

Williams had an opportunity to make a third-down play late in the game but inexplicably failed to get both feet in bounds on one of Freeman’s better throws of the afternoon. Williams will be the first to say he must play better, and for Freeman’s and the offense's sake, it must happen sooner rather than later.

Dishonorable Mention: TE Luke Stocker, CB Leonard Johnson

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    EastEndBoy, your 8:43 am post was right on. Tell it all brother.
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    I am glad Goldson has leadership skills but he also has to lead by example. He is a veteran but still could not be a guided missile to a proper target area? He had to know that would result in his being suspended for one of our toughest games. And I am afraid his bad example is rubbing off on other players like Black and Clayborn, and if they keep playing stupid they will be suspended too. We have the players on Defense to get us back to top ten Defensive Football, but Schiano and many of his sub par coaches have to go. Now many of you now realize we have to have a better QB than we have on our roster and we are not going to get Bridgewater either. Mark my words, there are pickets out in Jax demanding they sign Tebo. If the Glazers don't push DOM to grab him first, and Jax gets him--they will rise to a playoff team next year, and you will be groaning as we are in a permanent rebuilding status. Once Tebo gets a starting line and energizes the team and shows the leadership skills Freeman will never have, he will transform Jax to winners. How many times have I been right this year?
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    Owlycat - you need to watch the Clayborn hit on Brees again. It was a clean hit and it isn't Clayborn's fault that Brees crumpled. Clayborn is not a dirty player and is much better than a lot of this board has been giving him credit for. Blacks' hit was the exact opposite - he's the one that deserved the big fine or suspension. I still like much of what Schiano has done in such a short time, but also can't ignore all of the smoke coming out of OBP. Come on Greg, get w/ the program. We're all watching and are not as stupid as you think. If you don't adjust, this is gonna get ugly soon. White smoke ? Black smoke ? Will they choose a new pope ?
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    I THINK ITS TIME IF TAMPA IS 1 &3 OR 0&4. ITS TIME TO CAN THE HEAD COACH AND BRING IN WANDSTED TO COACH THE BUCS, AND REINSTATED QB FREEMAN AS TEAM CPT, IF NOT CLEAN THE ENTIRED HOUSE AND PUT THE ROOKIE QB IN AND DRAFT IN RD-1 A QB, NEXT YEAR PERIOD.GO BUCS
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    Don't forget Black is playing way more than he should because Dom was dreaming that he had enough corners........... THIS is 100 percent on DOM he made a HUGE MISTAKE and left this team Extremely Weak depth wise at corner.There was five quality corners in FA that would have been a cap hit of 3 to 4 mil and would have improved this Defense Immensely.There was only two corners avail. for this game with NFL experience and one of those is a Free Agent with 4.75 type speed.Banks was the only other corner because Carr wasn't a factor hence play Black and Barron as corner /safety hybrids........DOM you ain't ducking this , Against the Saints and Falcons you are short changing the coach,fans and the players.BTW Free needs a TE badly!! What was Dom Thinking!!
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    i agree with firing schiano. freeman could be good with the right coach who doesnt berate him and uses plays that highlight his abilities. i doubt schiano can win at the pro level. he looks lost and way over his head.
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    Hard to put a finger on it, but I think Shiano is in over his head Time management,penalties,etc. Coaching is the main issue. I'm just not 100% sure about Freeman. My gut tells me even with the right coach and system he just lacks focus,accuracy,etc to be better than mediocre. Who knows for sure though. Only time will tell. For sake of this year I hope i'm wrong about both. My god we have been rebuilding since the 2003 superbowl! I'm tired of saying maybe next year, and I sure as hell don't want to say it after 2 games!
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    agree... schiano is wayyyyy over his head. far too many miscues,timeouts in odd situations, penalties, headset miscues?? we look like a jr college team sometimes. i cant see schiano turning the offense around. he may have already lost the locker room.
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    Mark, Can you speculate on when you think we may get an opportunity to see Glennon play this season? You cannot base everything off statistics, but when a guy is currently dead last in Comp % when he's been only asked to throw the ball as little as he has, it's more than worry-some. Basically it's safe to assume not a single QB in the LG after two weeks under center of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers could have been any worse, statistically speaking. Will they move on anytime soon?
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    Demote/Fire McNulty. On another point Koenen had a horrible game punting the ball. He had good kickoffs, but his primary job is to punt the football and I don't think any of this punts landed within the 20. His first punt was especially bad. We had poor field position all night and the first time we had good field position on a turnover, the offense scored a TD.
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    @pinkstob....it was quite a turnaround from the first game when Schiano described it as the best display of kicking he had ever seen in his career....
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    It's time to lay the blame solely where it belongs, Greg Schiano. An offense that can't get into sync, and defense left on the field too long and overall an undisciplined group. If we want to condemn Raheem Morris for not getting it done with much less talent then Schiano should be run out of town within days. Not winning with this team is unexcusable. We have the talent to attract a real coach I say we go get one this offseason and if Freeman doesn't shape up a new QB mite be on the radar as well! Go Bucs Adios Greg!
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    @stlbucsfan....as usual...ditto!
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    No HC can win without a QB. Find me one example of that around the LG? Just one. The winning QB's in this LG are leaders. They show up for their team photos, they can make good decisions with the football, they complete 60% of their passes, and they make plays. This QB does not. You could pick the coach and the results are the same if the QB plays this poorly. Anytime you hold the Saints under 20 points, rush for 140+ yards and lose, HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, AND IT'S NOT THE HC!
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    @stibucsfan... i agree. good post. schiano must go.
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    The choice to run Martin up the middle on third down in the closing seconds is going to have major ramifications for the Freeman / Schiano relationship. Freeman is likely furious that his coach has so little faith that he refused to put the ball in his hands to ice the game. In fact, the Martin run up the middle was a major mistake for two reasons. First, it was far too conservative and predictable. The Saints put 9 in the box and waited for it. Second, with all these questions surrounding Freeman, Schiano had the opportunity to let him succeed or fail in a clutch way. If he succeeds, we win. If he fails, the uproar makes your decision that much easier. But now, you have an angry QB that probably feels Schiano does not have his back. Please understand, that I am not necessarily a Freeman supporter, but the play call may have sealed the wreck between the two.
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    bucterp, based on Freeman's past what in the world makes you think that wasn't a run/pass option of 2 plays that Freeman was to call when he got to the line of scrimmage based on the D he saw? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eli Manning has that option all the time in this offense. So, either Freeman had the option and chose wrong again (very possible) OR the Coach's know this is a guy who can't think quick enough to call his own play on 2 and 10 if the headset breaks... Oh, wait...
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    They didn't run Martin up the middle. Go away and come back when you actually watch the games, hobbit.
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    Why would you trust your QB in that situation who is completing less than 50% of this throws? Josh deserves to be benched at this point. We've had four years to see and noone at this point can still be high on the guy. Move on. The QB of the future is quite possibly NOT currently on the roster, which is sad. We've sat thru enough bad seasons. Until they find another signal caller who can make great decisions and throw accurately, it's going to be a long road ahead.
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    bucterp - though I'm far from happy with the offensive coaching, what makes you so sure it would have worked out better ? The Saints have no respect for Freemans' game and openly challenged him to beat them w/ a stated game plan focusing on Martin first and foremost. How well did he do with that advantage? And I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the long TD that was called back. That throw was NOT overly impressive. The catch by VJax however was. He does a great job of boxing out the defenders on those jump balls. Freeman was the victim of dropped balls no doubt, but did not impress me. Dude has no heart and his performance "spurts" just don't get it. Hardly ever has a full game to his credit. I know......it's only 2 games, but just blink and it'll be.....it's only 5 years ! I expect to get some enjoyment out of the defense this season as it continues to gel. I expect them to adjust to the officiating - they have to. May become somewhat similar to the pre-superbowl bucs. Great Def & points hard to come by.
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    Plain & simple luke stocker needs cut he is not getting better, and he is just a waste of a roster spot . I rather we sign someone of higher caliber. I also think we should cut Lindell he looks bad every week even his good game vs Washington in preseason. Make these two moves & i think fans will be a little bit happier. I know my father brother and i would be. Thats 3 people. If i really went looking im sure others would agree too. Cant wait for next weeks game vs pats even without goldson! I think if our O line can hold up and stop their pass rush we should be able to make splash plays . With nicks coming back and likely crabtree i think we should finally be fully healthy on offense. Would like to see a fair game but in Gillette stadium idk if thats going to happen. Oh last thing less penalties and more creativity and yards .
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    I am not ready to watch Glennon or Shiano learn to play/coach football for two or more years. I'm not!
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    I think bucwild doesn't like Freeman.......personally, having watched the likes of Deberg, Testaverde, Sims, Chandler, King, Dilfer, Josh Johnson, and so on, I really have no problem with Freeman...he has quarterbacked us to a lead in 16 (or it might even be 17) of the last 18 games and made a number of impressive 4th quarter drives (including in both games this year) in "crunch" time...I think we can win with Freeman....but it will be very hard to win with +100 yards in penalties per game, and a coaching staff who still thinks we can run out an NFL game; who thinks a good plan is to set-up your field goal kicker for a long field goal when he averages less than 60% on those kicks; who fails to understand the weakness in their own prevent defense (despite it being demonstrated to them 5 times in the last 15 games....hint: the middle of the field is wide open); who refuses to stand up for their young, vulnerable, shaken QB who obviously needs some confidence building; whose idea of cleaning up penalties is to "remind" players where the strike zone is - like they don't know; who use time outs like a fish uses water; who haven't figured out to get plays and personnel into a game with more than 10 seconds remaining on the play clock (we played that goal line stand with 10 defenders); who thinks that Leonard Johnson can cover an NFL WR 1 on 1; who thinks that a TE is not a necessary position on the team; I could go on....
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    Freeman blows. You are missing the point - if we had a decent QB we would have won the games you refer to, or at least 3/4 of them, instead of Josh playing barely well enough to keep the game close/winnable before submarining the whole team's effort. Ironic for you to talk about teh middle of the field being open when the QB you tout wouldn't have a clue if the opposing D left the middle of the field open because he is busy mindlessly forcing the ball to the player he has been told will be the primary read in the meetings he didn't sleep thru or fall asleep during. Wave goodbye to the QB you compare to Dilfer, Testeverde, Josh Johnson et al, he is a goner and deservedly so. Pathetic.
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    @ matador....the same QB who holds nearly all of our QB records...at the age of 25! Yes let's cut him loose now like we did with Steve Young as a young QB...let's cut loose every QB we have until we find Andrew Luck in the draft...and if that means losing for 50 years so be it. Look - sarcasm aside - there may come a time to cut this kid loose...and that time may even come soon (like the end of this year)...but at the moment our 2 loses are on Schiano not Freeman and all that is happening to Freeman is damage from the efforts of Schiano (read Yasinkas's latest story)...Freeman is not great, but he's good enough to win with this team if the coaches can get their act together.
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    A more competant coach like Lovie Smith would have this team 2-0. Schiano needs to pay more attention to details on gameday like getting enough players on the field for special teams instead of the temperature in the meeting rooms. I am heading the brigade to get Schiano out of Tampa, he has succeeded in changing the culture but none of his actual coaching decisions have shown he's incapable of running this ship. I mean lets think back...the Dallas game last year where we essentially ran the clock out as WE were losing, the countless games lost in the last few minutes due to "shell" defense, becoming Raider-like in our volume of penalties and the last time I checked Freeman was praised for his ability to bring the team back late in games early in his career now the ball is taken out of his hands in those same situations. Freeman is not without blame but I feel the coaching he has been provided during his 5 years in Tampa is mediocre at best. If we lose Freeman at the end of the year I wont be heart broken but Schiano needs to start packing! Adios Greg!
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    nicely said stlbucsfan....not to mention: aurevoir...chow...sayonara....and don't let the door hit you in the a33 on the way out....
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    @ EastEndBoy - it doesn't have to be one or the other. The "Offensive" (accurate word to describe that side of the ball) Coaching and Freeman stink right now. Last year was better for both, but the QB has to look "into the game" and show some heart. I'm embarrassed by his demeanor and the coaching staffs' lack of performance as well. Though I don't agree w/ Owlykats Tebow thing, there's many a Sunday that I'd rather watch him running our Offense, as opposed to this lifeless gutless QB we have. I've been holding back my frustration, hoping for a transformation that clearly is never going to happen. He doesn't need to yell and scream, or be a rah rah guy. But I want to seen him break a sweat and show some consistent effort. And just maybe show improvement in his areas of need. I wouldn't presently bench him and certainly not cut him, but I damn sure expect more of him in spite of the present "Offensive" coaching circus.
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    100% agree.
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    I agree completely. I hold out hope that he can still improve those things. My biggest concern is that common sense solutions aren't implemented. I'm not big on conspiracies, but seriously Shiano, would it kill you to once stand up and say that you think Freeman is capable of leading this team? How we drafted a QB in the third, and no skilled TE, let Underwood walk, while giving Ogletree the third WR spot, and based on preseason it seemed to me that Demke won the competition. Overall I see no plan, and no justification. If things don't change soon I see no future for this staff.
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    I agree we could have had Gavin Escobar in the third but nope . Even Vance McDonald or someone better than like stocker . A TE who can't block from a d1 school standing 6ft6 255 lbs its unimaginable smh!
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    @eastendboy: Since I have also watched Deberg, Vinny, Chandler, King, Dilfer, etc. I would say I know a loser when I see one and Josh Freeman will certainly make the list of dubious QB's that could have been. At least Dilfer, Deberg, and Chandler had fire/command of their teams, even if the players around them weren't very talented. Freeman will never be as good as Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, etc. but it sure would be nice if he wasn't so indifferent to winning or leading. It's hard for Freeman to hold other players accountable when he makes the same mistakes constantly.
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    @bucwild...I too would love to see more from Freeman---but it seems that unless he becomes Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Ryan the alternative touted quite often on PR is to cut him loose....Glennon is not the answer...do we really want to pick in the top 10 next year and get Tahj Boyd...and suffer for 5 years with him....we aren't going to be worse than Jax or Oak or Cleve in all likelihood, so dreams of Bridgewater are not going to come true....look, Freeman may be the worng guy for us, but how can you tell with all of the blunders going on by Schiano right now both on and off the field---what would Freeman be like this year if he had a top calibre coach working with him like stlbucsfan suggests....
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    good post . i agree. freeman is far better without a coach that doesnt believe in him and wants him to fail. schiano must go.
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    Josh Freeman wasn't an accurate passer in college. His highlights are lots of really open guys making diving catches. Even on the last drive vs the Saints that pass he threw to Jackson near the sideline was about 0.3 to 0.4 seconds late and was thrown low and inside towards the middle of the field. Jackson's lucky he could still walk (And you all have the nerve to blame the WRs for not catching an occasional ball). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Freeman simply has to be on one of his hot streaks to even remotely belong starting in the NFL. His continued inability to make timely throws makes his accuracy issues even more glaring. And again we got to watch the continued fumbling issue Freeman's had since college that continues to this day. Mark Cook's point that Freeman has two weeks to get on a hot streak is dead on. And may even be generous. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I for one actually hopes Freeman doesn't get hot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Freeman would just cool off 4-5 weeks later and go right back to throwing off his back-foot, reading coverage late, with lazy mechanics, and fumbling due to his poor pocket awareness and inability to hold a football if his arm even gets tapped. --------------------------- Freeman is not the answer. Glennon may not be either, but at least there is hope he'll learn from his mistakes. Freeman CLEARLY has not.
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    I agreed man i think glennon may get the start 2nd half week 3 in NE specially if things go bad and start to dwindle . I think freeman is not going to improve . I think people hate him just like people hate tebow . I think we fans know we're getting a new qb next year and i think glennon can at least save the season if anything there is enough quality talent at all starting positions to succeed even if he doesn't have great numbers. I think at the very least the bucs would have less criticism because he is a rookie.
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    This is as good an argument as I have heard. I was thinking the same thing on the replay of VJ deep out. That ball was thrown way too far to the inside, but it did show of Freeman's cannon of an arm. This is the question...if Freeman throws up one solid game before the bye week (which I think is his expiration date) do we keep him hoping there is more of that? No freakin' way. If we did we are incredibly short sighted and are not learning from past mistakes. I like the kid, quite a bit actually, but not as the QB of this team. Would make a great back up though.
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    The team/play management was poor at best. Blacks late hit needs to be dealt with. V. Jackson is as good as it gets! And, who do you think you can get to replace Josh Freeman off the street? If Shiano is a good coach, he can win with Freeman. Glennon is NOT the answer. He cannot beat any team. Be real!
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    S Ahmad Black: Every team is now on to the fact that on his best day he ran a 4.84 forty.Ahmed Black is awful. And has been consistently late on plays over and over again. First play of the game the Saint's O picked on Black and the last play of the game (not counting the FG) the Saints went after Black again. ------------------------------------- Ahmad Black is, besides LE which may fix itself, our most obvious weak link on D.
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    Scott, I have a request. Can you take a look at Freeman's 22 throws, and record how many should have been completed. I know the interception and fumble are problems, but Bree's threw 2, and should have had a fumble himself. Lets be honest about the performance instead of piling on: Officially Freeman was "9-22 (40%) for 125 yards and an interception," off of the top of my head I can say Jackson dropped two, Williams didn't come down with one on third that he definitely should have, and one that would have been an amazing catch for a TD, Martin dropped one, and the penalty that would have been a 75 yard TD. Just those I remember would have changed his stat line to "15-23 (65%) 2 TD's for at least 250 yards and an interception" Freeman's demeanor makes me furious, and I question his leadership, but I don't think we are being accurate today if we don't put more pressure on the receivers.
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    I agree SkoolFL, Freeman seems to be everybody's red headed stepchild, his stats could've easily looked 100% better if it were not for others who couldn't catch very catch-able balls, and it would be nice to see Freeman just get amped up from time to time and get in players faces, including his team mates!
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    I was kind of going to do that on Wednesday when the coaches tape becomes available. I want to look at the route combinations and what exactly Kevin Ogletree or the TEs even do on pass patterns.
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    SkoolFL - I'm with you on much of what you say, but that jump ball showcased VJax and his ability to position himself perfectly effectively boxing out defenders and consistently coming down with those throws. Josh will whither and fall off the vine if VJax goes down for any length of time this season. His top 2 targets have regularly won deep jump balls.
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    The goal line stand was awesome!!!!!!!
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    What if we traded something for Ryan Mallet? Just thinking out loud..
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    is pewtermom Josh Freeman's mom? That's the only way her/his comments make sense
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    Agree on the te. All the great qbs have one. Brady, manning, Bree's, Rodgers, the list goes on and on. Winslow and even Clark helped a ton. Get freeman one again
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    Schiano needs to put Page in the slot. We don't have a slot Rec. or any TE's. Freeman is a below average QB that is inaccurate and only hits his Rec. in stride once in a while. Can not, will not win this way!
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    I love v jax. But also twice after freeman had released the pass, Jackson fell down or let himself be manhandled down by a defender. These things happen but they also determine a game like every other play. There's 11-21 and over the 50%.
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    I would add that the offensive line opened holes for the rushing attack and gave decent pass protection. Bucs fans : Coaching is still not the problem. Let me spell it out for you...Q-U-A-R-T-E-R-B-A-C-K. Another crappy performance from the ONE guy who touches the ball every play(except punts).
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    You should go back and look at Vincent Jackson. He dropped (1) ball yesterday. The one "drop" most people think they saw wasn't actually a drop at all. It was ball that was thrown behind him and actually hit the defender in the helmet and popped up in the air. Jackson had a solid performance given the acrobatics he has to perform to make what should be routine catches for properly placed balls.
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    Great choices Mark! I agree with most but I feel the coach has to go NOW! The way things are going it would not hurt to bring in someone else! NOW!
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